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(Washington Post)   Joe Theismann: "I can just tell you that when I put that helmet on with the Redskin logo on it, I felt like I was representing more than the Washington Redskins: I was representing the great Native American nations that exist in this country"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 89
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2013-06-19 02:39:48 PM
The white Christian quarterbacks for the old Detroit N*ggers, New York Kikes, and Los Angeles Chile-Shiattin' Beaners teams felt the same sense of pride about the names of their teams, I'll bet--it's surprising that they changed their names eventually.
 
2013-06-19 02:40:59 PM
"Like the noble Indians, I felt a great loss when I had my own personal Battle of Wounded Knee"
 
2013-06-19 02:48:13 PM

BunkoSquad: "Like the noble Indians, I felt a great loss when I had my own personal Battle of Wounded Knee"


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2013-06-19 02:48:48 PM
The ability to say that with a straight face is why Theismann makes me giggle.
 
2013-06-19 02:56:40 PM
You play a game for a living.  Get over yourself.
 
2013-06-19 04:25:57 PM
Norman Einstein would be proud.
 
2013-06-19 05:00:53 PM

mr_a: Norman Einstein would be proud.


Beat me to it, genius
 
2013-06-19 05:23:08 PM
Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?
 
2013-06-19 05:24:58 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


Yep.

They don't realize that when you say "Redskin" to roughly 99% of the population, the only image conjured up is of a shiatty football team.
 
2013-06-19 05:25:35 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


Yeah, those people exist.  They have red skin though, so no one cares what they think.
 
2013-06-19 05:26:08 PM
Hey, give him a break. Dude played his college ball for the Fighting Irish, so demeaning racial stereotypes are old hat to him.
 
2013-06-19 05:26:36 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


I'd say there are a decent number of people who miss the attention and money they got when they were representing a downtrodden, huddled mass.  Some of them parlayed their success into elected positions in Washington DC.
 
2013-06-19 05:29:37 PM
And the Cattaraugus Indian Reservation has many people wearing the Washington Redskins jackets. I think that some of them like the logo...and they are Native American.
 
2013-06-19 05:33:07 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


Is "Redskin" a slur?
 
2013-06-19 05:35:33 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


Yeah. They're called f*ggots.
 
2013-06-19 05:37:52 PM
Redskin is a slur if the utterer uses it as a slur or the recipient hears it as a slur, much like that one word that a certain community now uses in everyday language but others are strictly forbidden from using in any context.
 
2013-06-19 05:38:05 PM
Let's also not forget the name was given to the team by a guy who, even for the time, was really racist. George Marshall held out against integrating the team for almost 15 years after the Browns hired Marion Motley.
 
2013-06-19 05:38:58 PM
http://www.imgur.com/HlLQphC.png
 
2013-06-19 05:40:23 PM

Dafatone: kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?

Is "Redskin" a slur?


Let's just say it's not the preferred nomenclature.  Native-American, please.
 
2013-06-19 05:43:29 PM

Kygz: Redskin is a slur if the utterer uses it as a slur or the recipient hears it as a slur, much like that one word that a certain community now uses in everyday language but others are strictly forbidden from using in any context.


No, that word's always a slur.  It can be used acceptably, but that doesn't change the word.

You could argue that the team name in question is an acceptable use.  But for me, that comes down to who is using it, not how they're using it.
 
2013-06-19 05:43:37 PM
Really? We're going to accept the Hero tag next to Joe f*cking Theismann?

/just change the stupid-ass name
//the only people who care deeply about keeping it are far worse than the people that care about changing it, obnoxious though they may be
 
2013-06-19 05:45:35 PM

IAmRight: Really? We're going to accept the Hero tag next to Joe f*cking Theismann?

/just change the stupid-ass name
//the only people who care deeply about keeping it are far worse than the people that care about changing it, obnoxious though they may be


But... if something's offending some people but not enough people for it to be "offensive," changing it is MORALLY WRONG.  Somehow.  Despite the huge lack of logic that involves.

/Unless you have a Redskins tattoo, you have no reason to oppose the change.
 
2013-06-19 05:49:26 PM
When are we going to do something about racist beans?!@?!?

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2013-06-19 05:52:57 PM

Cyberluddite: The white Christian quarterbacks for the old Detroit N*ggers, New York Kikes, and Los Angeles Chile-Shiattin' Beaners teams felt the same sense of pride about the names of their teams, I'll bet--it's surprising that they changed their names eventually.


This

/Native from Oklahoma
 
2013-06-19 05:54:49 PM

TommyStiletto: Hey, give him a break. Dude played his college ball for the Fighting Irish, so demeaning racial stereotypes are old hat to him.


Dude, most Irish are too drunk to fight. Their name should be: "cocked a fist to this Irish guy, he fell on the floor drunk, and I banged his old lady named Peggy".
 
2013-06-19 05:57:20 PM

UNC_Samurai: Let's also not forget the name was given to the team by a guy who, even for the time, was really racist. George Marshall held out against integrating the team for almost 15 years after the Browns hired Marion Motley.


You know, it's kind of remarkable how pioneering the professional sports teams in Cleveland were regarding integration.  Larry Doby was, when he signed with the Indians, the second black player in Major League Baseball and the first in the AL.  Bill Wills and Marion Motley were two of the first black players in the NFL, and they played for the Cleveland Browns.

And yet, the city has always been tremendously segregated.  Not quite to the degree of, say, St. Louis, but even today it's commonly known that the Irish, Germans, and Mexicans have the west side, the Slavs in the south, and the Blacks and Italians on the east side, and that's the end of that.  At least nowadays there's some cross-pollination with the younger generations moving back into the city from the suburbs: in the '70s, it was so bad you'd think you needed a passport just to cross the Cuyahoga river.
 
2013-06-19 05:57:58 PM
i don't really care about the name redskin, but that's kind of lame reasoning

were the saints playing for the catholic church? is miami in love with dolphins? does tennessee play for ancient greek mythology?
 
2013-06-19 05:59:21 PM

fatalvenom: TommyStiletto: Hey, give him a break. Dude played his college ball for the Fighting Irish, so demeaning racial stereotypes are old hat to him.

Dude, most Irish are too drunk to fight. Their name should be: "cocked a fist to this Irish guy, he fell on the floor drunk, and I banged his old lady named Peggy".


well... that could pass as a description for their recent performance against alabama
 
2013-06-19 06:06:24 PM
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2013-06-19 06:14:24 PM
In completely unrelated news, it's been 2 months since Joe Theismann got himself some attention.
 
2013-06-19 06:21:38 PM

Robo Beat: UNC_Samurai: Let's also not forget the name was given to the team by a guy who, even for the time, was really racist. George Marshall held out against integrating the team for almost 15 years after the Browns hired Marion Motley.

You know, it's kind of remarkable how pioneering the professional sports teams in Cleveland were regarding integration.  Larry Doby was, when he signed with the Indians, the second black player in Major League Baseball and the first in the AL.  Bill Wills and Marion Motley were two of the first black players in the NFL, and they played for the Cleveland Browns.

And yet, the city has always been tremendously segregated.  Not quite to the degree of, say, St. Louis, but even today it's commonly known that the Irish, Germans, and Mexicans have the west side, the Slavs in the south, and the Blacks and Italians on the east side, and that's the end of that.  At least nowadays there's some cross-pollination with the younger generations moving back into the city from the suburbs: in the '70s, it was so bad you'd think you needed a passport just to cross the Cuyahoga river.


And a fireboat to cross Lake Erie.
 
2013-06-19 06:24:34 PM

Cyberluddite: The white Christian quarterbacks for the old Detroit N*ggers, New York Kikes, and Los Angeles Chile-Shiattin' Beaners teams felt the same sense of pride about the names of their teams, I'll bet--it's surprising that they changed their names eventually.


and don't forget about the Miami Sp*cks
 
2013-06-19 06:25:11 PM
The man has been taking too much Super Beta Prostate.
 
2013-06-19 06:26:09 PM

kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?


Yes.
 
2013-06-19 06:26:12 PM

Dafatone: IAmRight: Really? We're going to accept the Hero tag next to Joe f*cking Theismann?

/just change the stupid-ass name
//the only people who care deeply about keeping it are far worse than the people that care about changing it, obnoxious though they may be

But... if something's offending some people but not enough people for it to be "offensive," changing it is MORALLY WRONG.  Somehow.  Despite the huge lack of logic that involves.

/Unless you have a Redskins tattoo, you have no reason to oppose the change.


Oh, I don't think most people give a damn what DC calls their team, which is why it hasn't changed. Offend you? Fine, you got a lot of work to do to make enough people care enough to put enough pressure on the NFL/Synder to change it.
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2013-06-19 06:26:25 PM

Dafatone: kukukupo: Wait - I keep seeing these threads.

Are there actually people who don't like and are offended by the Redskins name/logo/mascot?  They exist?

Is "Redskin" a slur?


"Redshkin" is a slur, "Redthkin" is a lisp.
 
2013-06-19 06:28:41 PM

UNC_Samurai: Let's also not forget the name was given to the team by a guy who, even for the time, was really racist. George Marshall held out against integrating the team for almost 15 years after the Browns hired Marion Motley.


THIS

That's why I cringe whenever anyone talks about "pride" in the Redskins' "tradition."

/Joe Theeesman can crawl back into his hole
 
2013-06-19 06:31:52 PM

Kygz: Redskin is a slur if the utterer uses it as a slur or the recipient hears it as a slur, much like that one word that a certain community now uses in everyday language but others are strictly forbidden from using in any context.


"Liberal"?
 
2013-06-19 06:33:28 PM
Is this the thread where we pretend to care?  Oh good.

In other news, 74% of people polled don't give a fark if it's changed or not.  So touche, on those that actually farking care about this shiat...news flash PC tard...nobody does.
 
2013-06-19 06:34:11 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Dafatone: IAmRight: Really? We're going to accept the Hero tag next to Joe f*cking Theismann?

/just change the stupid-ass name
//the only people who care deeply about keeping it are far worse than the people that care about changing it, obnoxious though they may be

But... if something's offending some people but not enough people for it to be "offensive," changing it is MORALLY WRONG.  Somehow.  Despite the huge lack of logic that involves.

/Unless you have a Redskins tattoo, you have no reason to oppose the change.

Oh, I don't think most people give a damn what DC calls their team, which is why it hasn't changed. Offend you? Fine, you got a lot of work to do to make enough people care enough to put enough pressure on the NFL/Synder to change it.
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I understand not caring.  I don't understand passionately wanting the team name to remain the same, unless you're very personally attached to it.  For example, if you have a tattoo.

But there's a certain segment of the population that REALLY likes defending this sort of thing, and thinks that it's morally wrong to give in to people who are offended.
 
2013-06-19 06:53:41 PM
Holy shiat. After the first 3 you could close it down and call it done.  Well done.  Concise, directed, on target.

I'll get the lights.
 
2013-06-19 07:03:49 PM

Dafatone: Ow! That was my feelings!: Dafatone: IAmRight: Really? We're going to accept the Hero tag next to Joe f*cking Theismann?

/just change the stupid-ass name
//the only people who care deeply about keeping it are far worse than the people that care about changing it, obnoxious though they may be

But... if something's offending some people but not enough people for it to be "offensive," changing it is MORALLY WRONG.  Somehow.  Despite the huge lack of logic that involves.

/Unless you have a Redskins tattoo, you have no reason to oppose the change.

Oh, I don't think most people give a damn what DC calls their team, which is why it hasn't changed. Offend you? Fine, you got a lot of work to do to make enough people care enough to put enough pressure on the NFL/Synder to change it.
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I understand not caring.  I don't understand passionately wanting the team name to remain the same, unless you're very personally attached to it.  For example, if you have a tattoo.

But there's a certain segment of the population that REALLY likes defending this sort of thing, and thinks that it's morally wrong to give in to people who are offended.


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2013-06-19 07:05:45 PM
content.sportslogos.net
Go back to the Spear Logo, keep the colors, name the team the Warriors, Braves, Navajos, etc. Give 5% of profits to a Native American College fun, have a Native American history museum in the stadium and have some sanctioned Native American ceremony before each game.
 
2013-06-19 07:07:23 PM
If it were blackskins, brownskins, or yellowskins this would be...well it wouldn't be.

It's acceptable because there is a lie that our collective culture believes, that we "honor" Native Americans. Yeah right.
 
2013-06-19 07:10:30 PM
go back to the spear logo and rename them the spearchuckers
 
2013-06-19 07:19:36 PM

Tom_Slick: [content.sportslogos.net image 545x271]
Go back to the Spear Logo, keep the colors, name the team the Warriors, Braves, Navajos, etc. Give 5% of profits to a Native American College fun, have a Native American history museum in the stadium and have some sanctioned Native American ceremony before each game.


Go back to the Braves; that's what they were called before changing to the Redskins. It fits with the team history.
 
2013-06-19 07:21:01 PM
racist against whites:
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2013-06-19 08:04:19 PM

Cyberluddite: The white Christian quarterbacks for the old Detroit N*ggers, New York Kikes, and Los Angeles Chile-Shiattin' Beaners teams felt the same sense of pride about the names of their teams, I'll bet--it's surprising that they changed their names eventually.


THIS

But you forgot to mention the former San Francisco Chinamen, Philadelphia Hajjis, and Dallas Ragheads.
 
2013-06-19 08:31:13 PM

Tom_Slick: [content.sportslogos.net image 545x271]
Go back to the Spear Logo, keep the colors, name the team the Warriors, Braves, Navajos, etc. Give 5% of profits to a Native American College fun, have a Native American history museum in the stadium and have some sanctioned Native American ceremony before each game.


I'm only a little bit Injun, so I don't really have a dog in this fight, but to me, names like the Warriors, Braves, Seminoles, and yes, even the Cleveland Indians, could be viewed as honoring Native Americans (though reasonable minds could disagree about that).  People tend not to name sports teams after things they dislike; rather, they tend to name them after things they admire, so naming such names might be viewed as an endorsement of such groups as, I dunno, fierce competitors, determined, strong, powerful, admirable, etc.

But "Redskins" is in a different category.  It's a slur, based solely on physical characteristics or physical appearance, along the lines of using "darkies" for African-Americans, "slanteyes" for Asians, "ragheads" for Arabs, "red-dots" for the other kind of Indians, or "hook-noses" for Jews.  Nobody ever uses the term "Redskins" to describe Native-Americans in a positive way, or even in a neutral way.  Obviously, this term was much more acceptable for use among White society in the early 1930s when the old racist asshole who owned the team changed the team's name from the "Braves" (as it was originally) to the much more insulting "Redskins," but how anybody could think that it's acceptable in the modern era for a team to use an unambigous ethnic slur as its team is beyond me.
 
2013-06-19 08:32:19 PM
Serious question.  Has there been any issue with the Edmonton Eskimos name?

In case people are wondering what the logo looks like.

anysportanytime.ca

/link hotter than Moon winning 5 in a row.
//can't wait for football in Ottawa when the real Riders will be in town.
///go green!
 
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