Ricardo Klement: Few people like it when reality conflicts with their preconceived notions, so they react violently because it just HAS to be a conspiracy of some sort.
kid_icarus: Before reading TFA I didn't know bras and zippers are hazardous on-board a flying saucer. Why didn't you all tell me about this? Do you realize what could have happened?
FirstNationalBastard: Brainwashing from birth?
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Ricardo Klement: Few people like it when reality conflicts with their preconceived notions, so they react violently because it just HAS to be a conspiracy of some sort.Yeah, some security beliefs are almost impossible to weed out. Religions are particularly pernicious.
ikanreed: Article doesn't seem to load for me. Anyone else?
Pocket Ninja: God invented science, subby. If God isn't real, science isn't real, either.
Kali-Yuga: Ricardo Klement:Every time religion ends up accepting reality, it turns out it's not the big threat to religion the religion thought it was. Religion and science can coexist just fine.That only happens because theists find new ways to rationalize their delusion to fit new evidence, move the goalposts, and push their imaginary friend into an even smaller gap.
Reverend J: ikanreed: Article doesn't seem to load for me. Anyone else?Try the original article
xanadian: Pocket Ninja: God invented science, subby. If God isn't real, science isn't real, either."Oh dear," says Science, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of derp.
J.Shelby: I don't believe, because science doesn't require belief.
encyclopediaplushuman: Pocket Ninja: God invented science, subby. If God isn't real, science isn't real, either.[pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com image 296x363]
TabASlotB: There's a lot of interesting research into the difficulty in making rational choices. What it basically comes down to is it requires energy & work to make the best decisions. However, it takes considerably less energy and work to make typically adequate decisions. On an evolutionary timescale, the ability to make mostly adequate decisions most of the time appears to win out over devoting greater energy and efforts to making the best decisions.These shortcuts--that we all take most of the time--are typically formed in childhood and derive from "common-sense intuitions" about the world. These form the basic worldview of any given adult most of his or her life. Being exposed to new information that challenges this foundational view often backfires dramatically in terms of comprehension.The value of a comprehensive liberal arts education with scientific training is the systematic dismantling of these foundational shortcuts by continuous direct and oblique challenges, with the motivational force of grades serving as an impetus to absorb and incorporate new core values. When one has successfully substantively replaced a portion of that old worldview, it becomes more palatable to reevaluate other foundational views.
MonoChango: J.Shelby: I don't believe, because science doesn't require belief.Sure it does.You have to believe your assumptions. We believe that the scientific process works. We believe we live in a systematic universe where all laws apply equally no matter where we are in 4 dimensional space/time. We believe that what we witness is actually what happened. We make assumptions that time and C are constant. We can prove 2+2=4 but we can't PROVE that gravity works the same on the surface of a quasar. These are pretty good bets but they are still assumptions that we believe without proof.
Ed Grubermann: You've been here way too long to not know who PN is and what it does.
FunkOut: Humans make mistakes.
DoctorWhat: FunkOut: Humans make mistakes.I first read this as: "Humans are mistakes", which is also an interesting comment. The question is, "whose mistakes are we?"
FunkOut: Well, the commonly believed science of 100 or 1000 years ago was a bit wonky.
J.Shelby: No. That's the difference. Most of what you said seems likely at this point. Subject to future evidence. That isn't belief. Your notions about "4 dimensional space/time" are almost certainly wrong, also.
Raoul Eaton: Even if individual researchers are prone to falling in love with their own theories, the broader processes of peer review and institutionalized skepticism are designed to ensure that, eventually, the best ideas prevail.Sounds like a liberal conspiracy. Or if you're an antivaxxer, sounds like a Big Pharma conspiracy. Or whatever science you don't like, there's some conspiracy, because scientists have so much time on their hands they just like to use it conspiring like crazy. Because they said Galileo was wrong, and he turned out to be right, so no one can ever be wrong because they're really an undiscovered Galileo.
Cythraul: Because science is hard! Sky wizard is easy.
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