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(Washington Times)   So, what was more fictional: Nelson DeMille's novel about the shoot down of TWA 800 or the Government's account?   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 53
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2013-06-19 01:40:35 PM  
Everything is true.
 
2013-06-19 01:40:38 PM  
The novel. Which is why it's called a novel. Next question?
 
2013-06-19 01:41:30 PM  
A repeat.
 
2013-06-19 01:43:27 PM  
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DON YOUR TIN FOIL HATS!!!
 
2013-06-19 01:43:56 PM  
A Washington Times link? Pass.
 
2013-06-19 01:44:46 PM  
Wow.  This is old stuff we're working with here.

Careful, Farkers.  When something is this old, it can go off at any time for any reason.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:00 PM  
I really, really hate conspiracy theories in general, but especially ones that shiat on the graves of innocent people.   The maker of this crap should be ashamed of himself, as well as the people who help push it on the public.

Including you, subtard.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:02 PM  
one of my earliest internet encounters.....was at a friend's house, he had a shiatty 14.4 connection on AOL nad we navigated (using Netscape Navigator, most likely?) to smoe conspiracy BBS or whatever, and there already various theories about a navy destroyer shooting the plane down, accounts from witnesses who reportred seeing missile tracers going at the plane, and all the othe rkinds of conspriacy crap you see.  black helicopters on scene moments afterwards, blah blah blah.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:25 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:45:28 PM  
So, are we completely out of conspiracy theories for today?

///reallllly scraping the bottom of the barrel
 
2013-06-19 01:46:16 PM  
C) Everything in The Washington Times
 
2013-06-19 01:48:32 PM  
Moonies are weird people.  The only people weirder than the Moonies are those who take their insanity seriously enough to pollute the queue here with their nonsense.
 
2013-06-19 01:48:41 PM  
there are people who weren't born yet when this happened that will be posting in this thread

/just saying
 
2013-06-19 01:48:42 PM  
Who are these people who think the US wouldn't jump to bomb the shiat out of someone if they shot a plane down? I didn't think that level of moran was seen off of the internets.
 
2013-06-19 01:51:29 PM  
We won't know for sure until Rosie Odonnel chimes in.
 
2013-06-19 01:51:39 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:53:34 PM  
Someone on the flight had fingernail clippers and an 8oz bottle of water.
 
2013-06-19 01:53:48 PM  
This is Obama's Enchantment Under the Sea Dance.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:16 PM  
is it gays? or is it Occupy? Or is it gay Occupiers?

All I know is that whoever did it, they hate our freedom, and such as.
 
2013-06-19 02:08:16 PM  
"Of course, everyone knows about the eyewitness statements, but we also have corroborating information from the radar data, and the radar data shows an asymmetric explosion coming out of that plane - something that didn't happen in the official theory."

Radar data shows nothing approaching the plane but an explosion coming out? There goes the ordnance theory.

/Guessing this guy spent 17 years researching and needs to prove to parents he hasn't wasted his life
//Fail
 
2013-06-19 02:09:18 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: A Washington Times link? Pass.


jaytkay: C) Everything in The Washington Times


Think the story originated in The Atlantic.  The Times just picked it up.
 
2013-06-19 02:10:33 PM  

iheartscotch: Someone on the flight had fingernail clippers and an 8oz bottle of water.


And used a cell phone.
 
2013-06-19 02:12:54 PM  
Just finished The Gate House.  Love me some DeMille.
 
2013-06-19 02:14:18 PM  
Probably that damn gremlin that Kirk was telling us about!
 
2013-06-19 02:20:48 PM  
The "shoot down"? Stop making things up, subby.
 
2013-06-19 02:21:33 PM  
I hope they do one of these movies about the moon landings. There's something kinda cheesy about those videos
 
2013-06-19 02:22:33 PM  
I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.
 
2013-06-19 02:24:58 PM  
Vince Foster was supposed to be on that plane.
 
2013-06-19 02:31:12 PM  

Heinrich von Eckardt: [img.fark.net image 247x204]


The great thing is that people think they're making some kind of brilliant observation.

"Look!  A big hole!  That must be where the missile hit!"

Frequently, where the big hole is and where missiles hit are not the same.
 
2013-06-19 02:35:32 PM  
Huh? The same Vince Foster that committed suicide in 1993, 3 years before the flight?
 
2013-06-19 02:39:10 PM  

Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.


I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.
 
2013-06-19 02:40:27 PM  
Good friend of mine lost his 14 year old son on that flight.... :(

/not a cool story
 
2013-06-19 02:40:55 PM  
The opening scene in that book (Night Fall) made me a DeMille fan for life.
 
2013-06-19 02:41:04 PM  
Personally I think that anyone that believes everything the government says needs to reverse their rectal-cranial inversion.
 
2013-06-19 02:42:42 PM  
The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.
 
2013-06-19 02:44:05 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.

I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.


I really liked the dialogue and the character's thought processes, but a couple of things about Plum Island really bugged me.

(Spoilers, obviously)

1. The way he just randomly remembered some off hand detail the reader had never heard of before that helped him solve the case.

2. They spent all that time setting up the fifth level of that bio lab and how dangerous it was...then never used it.

3. Every single woman he met was insanely attractive and interested in him, despite the fact that by his own admission he looked like complete hell in his current state.
 
2013-06-19 02:45:00 PM  

uncleacid: The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.


It's almost like he never existed in the first place...
 
2013-06-19 02:45:11 PM  
I typically crap all over conspiracies.  But when six members of the NTSB investigation team come forward and say the investigation was rigged, that gets my attention.  NTSB investigations are usually focused on transparency, regardless of whose toes get stepped on.  And the folks who do the investigation care more about being right than about being popular.  So for those folks to have come forward and say the evidence didn't show what they said it did at the time, something would seem to be different here.
 
2013-06-19 02:45:45 PM  
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Wanted for questioning.......maybe a strip search?
 
2013-06-19 02:49:19 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Heinrich von Eckardt: [img.fark.net image 247x204]

The great thing is that people think they're making some kind of brilliant observation.

"Look!  A big hole!  That must be where the missile hit!"

Frequently, where the big hole is and where missiles hit are not the same.


Yeah, it's not like they're literally rebuilding an air plane that crashed into the farking ocean from the pieces they could find.
 
2013-06-19 02:52:14 PM  

Warthog: I typically crap all over conspiracies.  But when six members of the NTSB investigation team come forward and say the investigation was rigged, that gets my attention.  NTSB investigations are usually focused on transparency, regardless of whose toes get stepped on.  And the folks who do the investigation care more about being right than about being popular.  So for those folks to have come forward and say the evidence didn't show what they said it did at the time, something would seem to be different here.


I remember a bunch of stores at the time that went down the memory hole.  I have a friend that believes it was the Iranians, getting us back for shooting down their airliner in 1988.  Basically his thoughts were that Clinton covered it up to stop forcing him to openly start a war with them. Seems about as likely as any other story I've heard.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:24 PM  

Vodka Zombie: uncleacid: The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.

It's almost like he never existed in the first place...


More likely abducted by aleins.
 
2013-06-19 03:37:53 PM  
"Of course, everyone knows about the eyewitness statements, but we also have corroborating information from the radar data, and the radar data shows an asymmetric explosion coming out of that plane - something that didn't happen in the official theory.

So a plane that carried fuel on both sides on the fuselage, which in the official report was brought down when an electrical short ignited fuel in one of the tanks, couldn't have had an asymmetric explosion?  This is his "proof?"
 
2013-06-19 03:59:23 PM  

Nickster79: Galileo's Daughter: Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.

I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.

I really liked the dialogue and the character's thought processes, but a couple of things about Plum Island really bugged me.

(Spoilers, obviously)

1. The way he just randomly remembered some off hand detail the reader had never heard of before that helped him solve the case.

2. They spent all that time setting up the fifth level of that bio lab and how dangerous it was...then never used it.

3. Every single woman he met was insanely attractive and interested in him, despite the fact that by his own admission he looked like complete hell in his current state.


I love the John Corey books (just finished The Panther), and have read most of his other novels as well. Demille writes interesting stories, creates fun characters, and the dialogue is probably the best part of every book.

But he cannot finish a damn book to save his life. Not the Charm School, not The Panther, none of them. They are great until the last 2 or 3 chapters, when everything just sort of happens quickly and ends for no reason.

I will continue to read any new material he puts out, and will continue to be disappointed with the endings, all for John Corey's or Paul Brenner's sarcasm, wit, and womanizing.
 
2013-06-19 04:13:30 PM  
It's unfortunate that subby linked to the tabloid Washington Times instead of one of the more credible outlets covering this same story. I don't know a whole lot about surface-to-air missiles, so I have no idea if the hole in the side of the plane is consistent with a missile attack. However, it is an outward explosion-looking hole, which would be consistent with an internal gas tank explosion.

As for eye witness testimony -- ask any cop and they'll tell you eye witnesses are TERRIBLE. People imagine seeing shiat, they hear what someone else thinks they saw and suddenly add that to their own story, they flat out lie just to get attention, and on and on. I'll check out the doc, though, probably. Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.
 
2013-06-19 04:30:58 PM  
Everything that came out of Jim Kallstrom's pie hole was a lie.
 
2013-06-19 04:46:45 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: It's unfortunate that subby linked to the tabloid Washington Times instead of one of the more credible outlets covering this same story. I don't know a whole lot about surface-to-air missiles, so I have no idea if the hole in the side of the plane is consistent with a missile attack. However, it is an outward explosion-looking hole, which would be consistent with an internal gas tank explosion.

As for eye witness testimony -- ask any cop and they'll tell you eye witnesses are TERRIBLE. People imagine seeing shiat, they hear what someone else thinks they saw and suddenly add that to their own story, they flat out lie just to get attention, and on and on. I'll check out the doc, though, probably. Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.


I have a friend who was a professor at the Naval War College in Newport who happened to be right next to me when I opened up this story.  He said that missiles don't engage targets the way the witnesses described.

Good enough for me.
 
2013-06-19 05:46:14 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.


Which do you think would make the producers more money?
 
2013-06-19 06:02:38 PM  

StrikitRich: [img.fark.net image 360x252]

Wanted for questioning.......maybe a strip search?


She's still hot...

/time-quake approaching.
 
2013-06-19 06:25:52 PM  
Not giving the Moonie Times any hits, so I'll hit up the LA Times's article instead.

<i>A group of former investigators, interviewed in a documentary to be released next month, have petitioned the for the new probe.</i>

Making outrageous claims to pimp a documentary to the press. I am Jack's complete lack of shock.
 
2013-06-19 06:36:08 PM  
i was on TWA 800 a month prior to it going down. Just after boarding there was a am announcement "Passenger 1729? Is passenger James 1729 aboard?" I said nothing because I'm Pete1729 not James 1729. I asked a flight attendant what it was about, apparently someone had checked a bag onto the plane and then not boarded.

Twa 800 went down a month later. I waited for a call from the FBI but it never came.
 
2013-06-19 08:57:49 PM  
TWA Flight 800 Rebuilt, Ready To Return To Air

ST. LOUIS-At a jubilant press conference Wednesday, Trans World Airlines officials announced that, 19 months after its tragic crash off the coast of Long Island, NY, TWA Flight 800 is rebuilt and ready to return to the skies.

"This is a day everyone at TWA has been dreaming of for a long time," TWA director of safety Walter Gorman said. "Ever since Flight 800 went down on July 17, 1996, taking 230 lives with it, Trans World Airlines has had one goal: to turn tragedy into triumph by getting that plane back together and up in the air once again."

Gorman said the rebuilt plane is the product of more than 4,200 trips to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, during which every last bit of the wreckage of Flight 800 was painstakingly collected by divers, from landing-gear cables to altitude-indicator dials to tray tables.

"TWA has spent over $400 million reconstructing this airplane piece by piece, all to ensure that you, our valued customer, enjoys the same comfort and safety on Flight 800 that you would on any other TWA jet," Gorman said. "We've literally scoured the bottom of the ocean to stock this plane with extra pillows, comfy headrests, GTE Airfones, and all the other conveniences it offered travelers the first time around. And first-class passengers can look forward to lots of other recovered amenities, from a pieced-together wet bar to extra-wide, fully dried leather seats."

Added Gorman: "Give Flight 800 a second chance-we're confident you'll like what you see."

The reconstructed Boeing 747 will make its triumphant return March 20, flying the same New York to Paris route it was scheduled to fly July 17, 1996, when it went down shortly after takeoff from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport.

"What a proud, symbolic moment that will be on March 20, at 9:20 p.m. EST, when Flight 800 touches down at Paris' DeGaulle Airport, finally finishing what it set out to do a year and a half ago," Gorman said.

More than 220 non-refundable tickets for the flight have already been sold. It is not known how many of those who purchased them are aware the tickets are for Flight 800.

TWA officials expressed hope that the return flight will put an end to lingering questions about the cause of the 1996 crash, which is still under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board.

"When Flight 800 finally soars through the air, it should prove once and for all to the NTSB, FAA, and any other doubters that this plane works perfectly and possesses no any mechanical defects whatsoever," TWA CEO Thomas Poquette said. "On March 20, 1998, Trans World Airlines is going to make front-page headlines once again-you just watch."
 
2013-06-19 09:22:29 PM  
Black Box Reveals TWA Flight 800 Passengers Missed End of Dragonheart

WASHINGTON, DC-In what may be the most difficult news yet for families of TWA Flight 800 victims, federal investigators revealed Monday that, according to black box evidence, passengers had not finished viewing the in-flight movie Dragonheart before the airplane crashed.

"As far as we can determine by analysis of the on-board flight recorder," said National Air Traffic Safety Board investigator Gina Paz, "a violent explosion in the plane's fuselage caused the plane to go down, terminating Dragonheart before its exciting completion."

A visibly shaken Paz paused for a moment before adding, "There were roughly 20 minutes remaining in this magical, fanciful Universal Pictures release that the victims never got to see."

"This is a terrible tragedy," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Federico Peña. "One thousand years ago, two sworn enemies-a dragonslaying knight and the last remaining dragon-formed an incredible alliance to battle tyranny in the land. No one deserves to die in the middle of such a tale."

Though the Dragonheart disaster is still under investigation, the NATSB did release several seconds of tape recordings from Flight 800's black box. On the tape, screams and loud sobbing can be heard as the popular Dennis Quaid/ Sean Connery film inexplicably stops in mid-reel following a complete loss of cabin pressure.

"My God! The screen's gone out! We're going down! Does Bowen slay the dragon? Or does he resist and honor their unlikeliest of friendships?!" a woman can be heard wailing on the tape.

Also captured by the black box is an elderly man, who shouts: "What happened? What happened to Julie Christie in her first big-screen performance in over five years?"
 
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