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(Washington Times)   So, what was more fictional: Nelson DeMille's novel about the shoot down of TWA 800 or the Government's account?   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 53
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2013-06-19 01:40:35 PM  
Everything is true.
 
2013-06-19 01:40:38 PM  
The novel. Which is why it's called a novel. Next question?
 
2013-06-19 01:41:30 PM  
A repeat.
 
2013-06-19 01:43:27 PM  
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DON YOUR TIN FOIL HATS!!!
 
2013-06-19 01:43:56 PM  
A Washington Times link? Pass.
 
2013-06-19 01:44:46 PM  
Wow.  This is old stuff we're working with here.

Careful, Farkers.  When something is this old, it can go off at any time for any reason.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:00 PM  
I really, really hate conspiracy theories in general, but especially ones that shiat on the graves of innocent people.   The maker of this crap should be ashamed of himself, as well as the people who help push it on the public.

Including you, subtard.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:02 PM  
one of my earliest internet encounters.....was at a friend's house, he had a shiatty 14.4 connection on AOL nad we navigated (using Netscape Navigator, most likely?) to smoe conspiracy BBS or whatever, and there already various theories about a navy destroyer shooting the plane down, accounts from witnesses who reportred seeing missile tracers going at the plane, and all the othe rkinds of conspriacy crap you see.  black helicopters on scene moments afterwards, blah blah blah.
 
2013-06-19 01:45:25 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:45:28 PM  
So, are we completely out of conspiracy theories for today?

///reallllly scraping the bottom of the barrel
 
2013-06-19 01:46:16 PM  
C) Everything in The Washington Times
 
2013-06-19 01:48:32 PM  
Moonies are weird people.  The only people weirder than the Moonies are those who take their insanity seriously enough to pollute the queue here with their nonsense.
 
2013-06-19 01:48:41 PM  
there are people who weren't born yet when this happened that will be posting in this thread

/just saying
 
2013-06-19 01:48:42 PM  
Who are these people who think the US wouldn't jump to bomb the shiat out of someone if they shot a plane down? I didn't think that level of moran was seen off of the internets.
 
2013-06-19 01:51:29 PM  
We won't know for sure until Rosie Odonnel chimes in.
 
2013-06-19 01:51:39 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:53:34 PM  
Someone on the flight had fingernail clippers and an 8oz bottle of water.
 
2013-06-19 01:53:48 PM  
This is Obama's Enchantment Under the Sea Dance.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:16 PM  
is it gays? or is it Occupy? Or is it gay Occupiers?

All I know is that whoever did it, they hate our freedom, and such as.
 
2013-06-19 02:08:16 PM  
"Of course, everyone knows about the eyewitness statements, but we also have corroborating information from the radar data, and the radar data shows an asymmetric explosion coming out of that plane - something that didn't happen in the official theory."

Radar data shows nothing approaching the plane but an explosion coming out? There goes the ordnance theory.

/Guessing this guy spent 17 years researching and needs to prove to parents he hasn't wasted his life
//Fail
 
2013-06-19 02:09:18 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: A Washington Times link? Pass.


jaytkay: C) Everything in The Washington Times


Think the story originated in The Atlantic.  The Times just picked it up.
 
2013-06-19 02:10:33 PM  

iheartscotch: Someone on the flight had fingernail clippers and an 8oz bottle of water.


And used a cell phone.
 
2013-06-19 02:12:54 PM  
Just finished The Gate House.  Love me some DeMille.
 
2013-06-19 02:14:18 PM  
Probably that damn gremlin that Kirk was telling us about!
 
2013-06-19 02:20:48 PM  
The "shoot down"? Stop making things up, subby.
 
2013-06-19 02:21:33 PM  
I hope they do one of these movies about the moon landings. There's something kinda cheesy about those videos
 
2013-06-19 02:22:33 PM  
I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.
 
2013-06-19 02:24:58 PM  
Vince Foster was supposed to be on that plane.
 
2013-06-19 02:31:12 PM  

Heinrich von Eckardt: [img.fark.net image 247x204]


The great thing is that people think they're making some kind of brilliant observation.

"Look!  A big hole!  That must be where the missile hit!"

Frequently, where the big hole is and where missiles hit are not the same.
 
2013-06-19 02:35:32 PM  
Huh? The same Vince Foster that committed suicide in 1993, 3 years before the flight?
 
2013-06-19 02:39:10 PM  

Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.


I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.
 
2013-06-19 02:40:27 PM  
Good friend of mine lost his 14 year old son on that flight.... :(

/not a cool story
 
2013-06-19 02:40:55 PM  
The opening scene in that book (Night Fall) made me a DeMille fan for life.
 
2013-06-19 02:41:04 PM  
Personally I think that anyone that believes everything the government says needs to reverse their rectal-cranial inversion.
 
2013-06-19 02:42:42 PM  
The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.
 
2013-06-19 02:44:05 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.

I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.


I really liked the dialogue and the character's thought processes, but a couple of things about Plum Island really bugged me.

(Spoilers, obviously)

1. The way he just randomly remembered some off hand detail the reader had never heard of before that helped him solve the case.

2. They spent all that time setting up the fifth level of that bio lab and how dangerous it was...then never used it.

3. Every single woman he met was insanely attractive and interested in him, despite the fact that by his own admission he looked like complete hell in his current state.
 
2013-06-19 02:45:00 PM  

uncleacid: The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.


It's almost like he never existed in the first place...
 
2013-06-19 02:45:11 PM  
I typically crap all over conspiracies.  But when six members of the NTSB investigation team come forward and say the investigation was rigged, that gets my attention.  NTSB investigations are usually focused on transparency, regardless of whose toes get stepped on.  And the folks who do the investigation care more about being right than about being popular.  So for those folks to have come forward and say the evidence didn't show what they said it did at the time, something would seem to be different here.
 
2013-06-19 02:45:45 PM  
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Wanted for questioning.......maybe a strip search?
 
2013-06-19 02:49:19 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Heinrich von Eckardt: [img.fark.net image 247x204]

The great thing is that people think they're making some kind of brilliant observation.

"Look!  A big hole!  That must be where the missile hit!"

Frequently, where the big hole is and where missiles hit are not the same.


Yeah, it's not like they're literally rebuilding an air plane that crashed into the farking ocean from the pieces they could find.
 
2013-06-19 02:52:14 PM  

Warthog: I typically crap all over conspiracies.  But when six members of the NTSB investigation team come forward and say the investigation was rigged, that gets my attention.  NTSB investigations are usually focused on transparency, regardless of whose toes get stepped on.  And the folks who do the investigation care more about being right than about being popular.  So for those folks to have come forward and say the evidence didn't show what they said it did at the time, something would seem to be different here.


I remember a bunch of stores at the time that went down the memory hole.  I have a friend that believes it was the Iranians, getting us back for shooting down their airliner in 1988.  Basically his thoughts were that Clinton covered it up to stop forcing him to openly start a war with them. Seems about as likely as any other story I've heard.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:24 PM  

Vodka Zombie: uncleacid: The pilot of a National Guard plane in the area who said he saw a missile hit the plane vanished the next day.

It's almost like he never existed in the first place...


More likely abducted by aleins.
 
2013-06-19 03:37:53 PM  
"Of course, everyone knows about the eyewitness statements, but we also have corroborating information from the radar data, and the radar data shows an asymmetric explosion coming out of that plane - something that didn't happen in the official theory.

So a plane that carried fuel on both sides on the fuselage, which in the official report was brought down when an electrical short ignited fuel in one of the tanks, couldn't have had an asymmetric explosion?  This is his "proof?"
 
2013-06-19 03:59:23 PM  

Nickster79: Galileo's Daughter: Nickster79: I read Plumb Island and watched the film adaption of The General's Daughter.

Never reading anything by Demille again.

I've read Plum Island (his best, IMO), Up Country, The General's Daughter, Spencerville, Night Fall, and Wildfire.  Love the John Corey books, but the rest is meh.

I really liked the dialogue and the character's thought processes, but a couple of things about Plum Island really bugged me.

(Spoilers, obviously)

1. The way he just randomly remembered some off hand detail the reader had never heard of before that helped him solve the case.

2. They spent all that time setting up the fifth level of that bio lab and how dangerous it was...then never used it.

3. Every single woman he met was insanely attractive and interested in him, despite the fact that by his own admission he looked like complete hell in his current state.


I love the John Corey books (just finished The Panther), and have read most of his other novels as well. Demille writes interesting stories, creates fun characters, and the dialogue is probably the best part of every book.

But he cannot finish a damn book to save his life. Not the Charm School, not The Panther, none of them. They are great until the last 2 or 3 chapters, when everything just sort of happens quickly and ends for no reason.

I will continue to read any new material he puts out, and will continue to be disappointed with the endings, all for John Corey's or Paul Brenner's sarcasm, wit, and womanizing.
 
2013-06-19 04:13:30 PM  
It's unfortunate that subby linked to the tabloid Washington Times instead of one of the more credible outlets covering this same story. I don't know a whole lot about surface-to-air missiles, so I have no idea if the hole in the side of the plane is consistent with a missile attack. However, it is an outward explosion-looking hole, which would be consistent with an internal gas tank explosion.

As for eye witness testimony -- ask any cop and they'll tell you eye witnesses are TERRIBLE. People imagine seeing shiat, they hear what someone else thinks they saw and suddenly add that to their own story, they flat out lie just to get attention, and on and on. I'll check out the doc, though, probably. Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.
 
2013-06-19 04:30:58 PM  
Everything that came out of Jim Kallstrom's pie hole was a lie.
 
2013-06-19 04:46:45 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: It's unfortunate that subby linked to the tabloid Washington Times instead of one of the more credible outlets covering this same story. I don't know a whole lot about surface-to-air missiles, so I have no idea if the hole in the side of the plane is consistent with a missile attack. However, it is an outward explosion-looking hole, which would be consistent with an internal gas tank explosion.

As for eye witness testimony -- ask any cop and they'll tell you eye witnesses are TERRIBLE. People imagine seeing shiat, they hear what someone else thinks they saw and suddenly add that to their own story, they flat out lie just to get attention, and on and on. I'll check out the doc, though, probably. Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.


I have a friend who was a professor at the Naval War College in Newport who happened to be right next to me when I opened up this story.  He said that missiles don't engage targets the way the witnesses described.

Good enough for me.
 
2013-06-19 05:46:14 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Hopefully it's an objective film and not just propaganda pushing an agenda.


Which do you think would make the producers more money?
 
2013-06-19 06:02:38 PM  

StrikitRich: [img.fark.net image 360x252]

Wanted for questioning.......maybe a strip search?


She's still hot...

/time-quake approaching.
 
2013-06-19 06:25:52 PM  
Not giving the Moonie Times any hits, so I'll hit up the LA Times's article instead.

<i>A group of former investigators, interviewed in a documentary to be released next month, have petitioned the for the new probe.</i>

Making outrageous claims to pimp a documentary to the press. I am Jack's complete lack of shock.
 
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