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(Something Else Reviews)   In trying to walk back her charge that Bob Dylan is a plagiarist, Joni Mitchell ends up calling him, well, a plagiarist   (somethingelsereviews.com) divider line 56
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2013-06-19 01:35:05 PM
Wait, this statement actually shocked people?
 
2013-06-19 02:00:52 PM
Hey Joni, all music is influenced by something, borrowed if you will.

/and I'm not talking licensing
 
2013-06-19 02:05:49 PM
How could they tell?
 
2013-06-19 02:23:37 PM
That's Tennis Playing plagiarist to you.
 
2013-06-19 03:04:20 PM
"He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.
 
2013-06-19 03:06:25 PM
Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.
 
2013-06-19 03:07:37 PM

AliceBToklasLives: "He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.


Yes. Yes he did. And he was never subtle or disingenuous about it, either.
 
2013-06-19 03:08:33 PM

MFAWG: AliceBToklasLives: "He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.

Yes. Yes he did. And he was never subtle or disingenuous about it, either.


Yet this is somehow plagiarism.
 
2013-06-19 03:09:19 PM
"That journalist is a moron...for writing down what I say..."
 
2013-06-19 03:12:47 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MFAWG: AliceBToklasLives: "He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.

Yes. Yes he did. And he was never subtle or disingenuous about it, either.

Yet this is somehow plagiarism.


I'm guessing she's on tour, or has a book out. To quote Don Johnson in Tin Cup:

I hadn't even thought about her in a dozen years.
 
2013-06-19 03:13:56 PM
you mean his dad wasn't a feudal lord? his grandfather wasn't a ducktrapper?

you mean his father wasn't a travelling salesmen he never met?

GTFO

/saw a recording of those two performing together and she looked like a hanger on. I think he could see through her.
 
2013-06-19 03:14:13 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MFAWG: AliceBToklasLives: "He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.

Yes. Yes he did. And he was never subtle or disingenuous about it, either.

Yet this is somehow plagiarism.


He's created several characters (which is the point of I'm Not There - there's no "real" Dylan beneath the masks)

/Also, quoting famous blues songs and novels is not plagiarism.
 
2013-06-19 03:14:14 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yet this is somehow plagiarism.


Only one using that word was subby.
 
2013-06-19 03:15:00 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yet this is somehow plagiarism.

Only one using that word was subby.


I know, I was badmouthing subby.
 
2013-06-19 03:15:10 PM
When asked for his opinion on the subject, Bob Dylan replied `Nith-nath-nubba-nunk-nerf-nerf-nonthuth!' and promptly fell face-forward into a puddle of his own vomit.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:21 PM
He's invented a character to deliver his songs. Sometimes I wish that I could have that character - because you can do things with that character. It's a mask of sorts."

Oh what the goddamn fark are you rambling about, Joni?

If you don't like that "character", or you think Dylan's interpretation of it was either incorrect or intentionally misleading to the point of artifice, then say it. Otherwise that's a stupid slam against someone.

Music would be pretty goddamn boring if songwriting was limited to direct, first-person perspectives.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:30 PM
I was thinking about this the other day...we want artists to create and to inspire and to be inspired, but then when you realize an artist has been inspired by some other artist many instantly tear them down.

damned if you do damned if you don't.


and not being able to understand Dylan, clean your ears. Well, at least on studio albums...some live performances get a bit dicey I will admit.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: tallguywithglasseson: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yet this is somehow plagiarism.

Only one using that word was subby.

I know, I was badmouthing subby.


Oh, sorry.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:44 PM

MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.


I forgot what Hunter S Thompson work it is where he talks about Joan Baez faking the whole thing when she was his neighbor in Big Sur, driving a Jag XKE and living in a fancy cottage.
 
2013-06-19 03:23:00 PM

MFAWG: I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.


David Crosby is still alive. You're right about Baez though. She's a hack and a half.
 
2013-06-19 03:25:17 PM

theflatline: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

I forgot what Hunter S Thompson work it is where he talks about Joan Baez faking the whole thing when she was his neighbor in Big Sur, driving a Jag XKE and living in a fancy cottage.


It has to be a real biatch to go through life as the chick with the nice voice who used to bang Bob Dylan.
 
2013-06-19 03:25:41 PM

basemetal: Hey Joni, all music is influenced by something, borrowed if you will.

/and I'm not talking licensing


Except Led Zepelin
 
2013-06-19 03:27:35 PM
Plagiarise Let no one else's work evade  your eyes
Don't shade your eyes, but Plagiarise Plagiarise Plagiarise

/I just wrote that, honest
 
2013-06-19 03:32:37 PM

Tom_Slick: Plagiarise Let no one else's work evade  your eyes
Don't shade your eyes, but Plagiarise Plagiarise Plagiarise

/I just wrote that, honest


Sure you did Mr. Tom Lehrer.
 
2013-06-19 03:33:13 PM

MFAWG: It has to be a real biatch to go through life as the chick with the nice voice who used to bang Bob Dylan.


CSB; i saw her a few years ago in san diego, neat little venue called "humphrey's by the bay", awesome small venue...

anyways, she referred to Zim several times, on the order of "an old friend I once had wrote this one", "a guy I used to know used to sing this traidtional song", "you can guess who this one's about" and so on.

she encored with "Don't Think Twice (It's Alright)" and then "The Weight".  She did the last verse of DTTIA with a spot-on Dylan impression.  sneering, that nasal tone and even the hunched over body language.
 
2013-06-19 03:35:51 PM

Tom_Slick: Plagiarise Let no one else's work evade  your eyes
Don't shade your eyes, but Plagiarise Plagiarise Plagiarise

/I just wrote that, honest


Nikola, is that you?
 
2013-06-19 03:41:28 PM

MFAWG: theflatline: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

I forgot what Hunter S Thompson work it is where he talks about Joan Baez faking the whole thing when she was his neighbor in Big Sur, driving a Jag XKE and living in a fancy cottage.

It has to be a real biatch to go through life as the chick with the nice voice who used to bang Bob Dylan.


I dunno, she's always seemed dismissive of her time with Dylan - just another notch on the bedpost. And "Diamonds and Rust" is the best song ever about being drunk-dialed by an old BF.

However, the "Lemmings" parody of her is spot-on: "Pull the trigger, n****r."
 
2013-06-19 03:44:20 PM

OldManDownDRoad: MFAWG: theflatline: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

I forgot what Hunter S Thompson work it is where he talks about Joan Baez faking the whole thing when she was his neighbor in Big Sur, driving a Jag XKE and living in a fancy cottage.

It has to be a real biatch to go through life as the chick with the nice voice who used to bang Bob Dylan.

I dunno, she's always seemed dismissive of her time with Dylan - just another notch on the bedpost. And "Diamonds and Rust" is the best song ever about being drunk-dialed by an old BF.

However, the "Lemmings" parody of her is spot-on: "Pull the trigger, n****r."


As usual, as soon as I hit "post" I remembered it was "Radio Dinner" and not "Lemmings."

And it's "Pull the Tregors"
 
2013-06-19 03:45:32 PM
oh sh*t! Joni Mitchell?!? Not Joan Baez. oopsie daisy
 
2013-06-19 03:48:22 PM
Joni Mitchell singing sounds like cats farking, that's pretty original.
 
2013-06-19 04:16:55 PM
Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.
Seventies era Joan Baez sounded like hell, but looked like... oh my...
So, I'm looking for someone called Joni Joan and I'm centering my search on about 40 years ago.
 
2013-06-19 04:33:46 PM

YoOjo: Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.



Goin' to california with a pain in my heart, tryin'a find a woman who's never, ever, ever, been born
Someone told me there's a girl out there with rings in her arms and flowers in her hair
She plays guitar and cries when she sings.

/obscure?
 
2013-06-19 04:34:46 PM

busy chillin': you mean his dad wasn't a feudal lord? his grandfather wasn't a ducktrapper?

you mean his father wasn't a travelling salesmen he never met?

GTFO

/saw a recording of those two performing together and she looked like a hanger on. I think he could see through her.


He saw her from both sides now.
 
2013-06-19 04:39:10 PM

rickythepenguin: YoOjo: Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.


Goin' to california with a pain in my heart, tryin'a find a woman who's never, ever, ever, been born
Someone told me there's a girl out there with rings in her arms and flowers in her hair
She plays guitar and cries when she sings.

/obscure?


Not sure if serious?

/really want to post the wrong band but can't bring myself to do it.
 
2013-06-19 04:40:34 PM
Bob D¥lan
 
2013-06-19 05:12:54 PM

busy chillin': rickythepenguin: YoOjo: Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.


Goin' to california with a pain in my heart, tryin'a find a woman who's never, ever, ever, been born
Someone told me there's a girl out there with rings in her arms and flowers in her hair
She plays guitar and cries when she sings.

/obscure?

Not sure if serious?

/really want to post the wrong band but can't bring myself to do it.


Does anybody remember laughter?
 
2013-06-19 05:19:10 PM

MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.


No shiat. They all come off like they started this revolution and how they changed the world. Now their generation is running things and its the worst its been in almost 100 years. They wax nostalgic about being free and fighting for that freed but they aren't picking up their guitars and occupying Wall Street or even speaking out. All they do is suck each others dicks and dote on one another while looking after their retirement plans which I would bet have mutual funds that invest in companies they should be protesting. She wants to call out Dylan for "wearing a mask" they are all hypocrites out to make a buck. fark em. Kris Kristofferson for the win!!!
 
2013-06-19 05:29:49 PM

YoOjo: busy chillin': rickythepenguin: YoOjo: Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.


Goin' to california with a pain in my heart, tryin'a find a woman who's never, ever, ever, been born
Someone told me there's a girl out there with rings in her arms and flowers in her hair
She plays guitar and cries when she sings.

/obscure?

Not sure if serious?

/really want to post the wrong band but can't bring myself to do it.

Does anybody remember laughter?


You may enjoy a t-shirt on tshirthell right now, naming said band with a picture of KISS. Makes me laugh every time.
 
2013-06-19 05:37:57 PM

OldManDownDRoad: I dunno, she's always seemed dismissive of her time with Dylan - just another notch on the bedpost. And "Diamonds and Rust" is the best song ever about being drunk-dialed by an old BF.


The funny thing was that drunk dialing led to her going back out on the road with him on the Rolling Thunder Review and ending up back in bed with him.
 
2013-06-19 05:57:21 PM

titwrench: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

No shiat. They all come off like they started this revolution and how they changed the world. Now their generation is running things and its the worst its been in almost 100 years. They wax nostalgic about being free and fighting for that freed but they aren't picking up their guitars and occupying Wall Street or even speaking out. All they do is suck each others dicks and dote on one another while looking after their retirement plans which I would bet have mutual funds that invest in companies they should be protesting. She wants to call out Dylan for "wearing a mask" they are all hypocrites out to make a buck. fark em. Kris Kristofferson for the win!!!


You should watch some of the YouTube footage of Baez and Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue tour. You can see her inability to grasp that the world has moved on from where she was both artistically and politically play out in real time, and she appears to focus the resulting frustration mostly on Dylan. She looks ready to boil his bunny in most of it.

There's no real parallel with where the right finds itself today, mostly because they've never produced art or artists worth watching or listening to.
 
2013-06-19 05:58:08 PM

bglove25: YoOjo: busy chillin': rickythepenguin: YoOjo: Seventies era Joni Mitchell sounded like heaven, but looked like a piece of work.


Goin' to california with a pain in my heart, tryin'a find a woman who's never, ever, ever, been born
Someone told me there's a girl out there with rings in her arms and flowers in her hair
She plays guitar and cries when she sings.

/obscure?

Not sure if serious?

/really want to post the wrong band but can't bring myself to do it.

Does anybody remember laughter?

You may enjoy a t-shirt on tshirthell right now, naming said band with a picture of KISS. Makes me laugh every time.


11even.net
/hot
 
2013-06-19 06:10:42 PM
He stole from Publius Ovidius Naso. This affront shall not stand!
 
2013-06-19 06:17:04 PM

MFAWG: You should watch some of the YouTube footage of Baez and Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue tour. You can see her inability to grasp that the world has moved on from where she was both artistically and politically play out in real time, and she appears to focus the resulting frustration mostly on Dylan. She looks ready to boil his bunny in most of it.


If you mean footage from Renaldo and Clara, she was basically cast as "The Whore" by Dylan, so she wasn't exactly happy with the role she was playing or that the cameras were always rolling.
 
2013-06-19 06:55:22 PM

titwrench: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

No shiat. They all come off like they started this revolution and how they changed the world. Now their generation is running things and its the worst its been in almost 100 years. They wax nostalgic about being free and fighting for that freed but they aren't picking up their guitars and occupying Wall Street or even speaking out. All they do is suck each others dicks and dote on one another while looking after their retirement plans which I would bet have mutual funds that invest in companies they should be protesting. She wants to call out Dylan for "wearing a mask" they are all hypocrites out to make a buck. fark em. Kris Kristofferson for the win!!!


Ahem:

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 07:24:28 PM

MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.


Didn't know David Crosby had died... Next, you'll tell me Garcia's gone.
 
2013-06-19 07:48:39 PM

Dwight_Yeast: MFAWG: You should watch some of the YouTube footage of Baez and Dylan on the Rolling Thunder Revue tour. You can see her inability to grasp that the world has moved on from where she was both artistically and politically play out in real time, and she appears to focus the resulting frustration mostly on Dylan. She looks ready to boil his bunny in most of it.

If you mean footage from Renaldo and Clara, she was basically cast as "The Whore" by Dylan, so she wasn't exactly happy with the role she was playing or that the cameras were always rolling.


Nope, actual concert footage from 1975 and 1976. A lot of it is a wonderful hot mess.
 
2013-06-19 08:45:57 PM

T.rex: MFAWG: Boy, these old folkies just end up bitter, don't they? I saw an interview with David Crosby right before he died and came off him in waves. Same thing with Joan Baez, who adds self righteousness to the mix.

Didn't know David Crosby had died...


wat
 
2013-06-19 09:03:59 PM

AliceBToklasLives: "He's invented a character to deliver his songs."

So she's seen I'm Not There.


Or just, y'know, heard of Bob Dylan at some point.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:18 PM
Most of the old folkies are farking annoying, and Robert Zimmerman is no exception.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:22 PM
Joni also claims to have that insane condition that doesn't really exist. Mortadella or whatever it's called.
 
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