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2013-06-19 01:02:14 PM  
Hahahahaha, it's funny because they're poor!
 
2013-06-19 01:13:00 PM  
I may hurt some feelings here, but only an idiot would trust Oblamma.
 
2013-06-19 01:13:18 PM  
Yeah, well a lot of Americans don't either, Afghan dude.
 
2013-06-19 01:26:04 PM  
Another thing the Taliban has in common with the Right.
 
2013-06-19 01:29:04 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 01:35:18 PM  
This is worse than when that Afghan lady stabbed Ducky in the hand.
 
2013-06-19 01:35:59 PM  
I still cannot understand why Fartb0ng0 got us into that war in the first place.

What the fark is that guy's problem?
 
2013-06-19 01:41:18 PM  
This guy would probably mistrust any American President no matter what he or she did or said.  As my sage mother would say, "Consider the source."

Doesn't lend much to the argument over whether drone strikes are legal, justified, etc. etc.
 
2013-06-19 01:54:43 PM  
He's the new GOP poster boy because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
 
2013-06-19 01:55:08 PM  
Well, just don't vote for him next time.
 
2013-06-19 01:55:09 PM  
And yet they trusted the soviets? O_o...

"priorities"
 
2013-06-19 01:55:47 PM  

Diogenes: This guy would probably mistrust any American President no matter what he or she did or said.  As my sage mother would say, "Consider the source."


Hell yeah. I would expect a lot people in a nation where America has waged war of any sort to have a very dim view of America. As black and white as these issues might seem to us (and people are realizing that they aren't), imagine how these things seem to someone who has known people who have been killed by American soldiers, right or wrong, and who have seen the American military blow up stuff in their backyard.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:06 PM  
All day long, American drones loomed in the sky above. "It's very normal," Khail said, speaking in Urdu through a translator with the United Kingdom legal charity Reprieve. "You see them during the day, you see them during the night -- they're always hovering."

That really must be awful, you never know when they take you shooting the shiat with your neighbors as a terr git together where you're gonna fly to merica and blow up some merkins.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:35 PM  
Substitute Obama with Bush and Afghanistan with Iraq and you might have an argument.

The GOP seems to forget that their hero Bush got us into this mess, yet they love to blame Kennedy for Vietnam.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:59 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I may hurt some feelings here, but only an idiot would trust Oblamma.


Source considered.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:07 PM  
I see Obama has sent in his drones already.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:46 PM  
2 - 3 bucks my aunt fanny.  A hellfire missile costs about $68K.  And that doesn't cover delivery costs.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:10 PM  

Jake Havechek: Substitute Obama with Bush and Afghanistan with Iraq and you might have an argument.

The GOP seems to forget that their hero Bush got us into this mess, yet they love to blame Kennedy for Vietnam.


I blame the french
 
2013-06-19 01:59:21 PM  

Somaticasual: And yet they trusted the soviets? O_o...

"priorities"


actually no.. the Soviets went in with their intention known which is to go in and kickass and invade and kill. Americans OTOH go in under the guise of 'freedom and kindness and bringing democracy' but doing it all through the end of a predator drone or a hellfire missile or an M4 barrel.
I think that's what distinguish the US foreign policy from the other conquering nations before.
 
2013-06-19 01:59:58 PM  
FTA:  "You see them during the day, you see them during the night -- they're always hovering.... always holding the possibility of near-instant death. "

Once the novelty wore off, that would get a bit old.
 
2013-06-19 02:00:08 PM  

shifty lookin bleeder: Hahahahaha, it's funny because they're poor!


Came here to say the same thing, Congrats.
 
2013-06-19 02:00:31 PM  
So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left
 
2013-06-19 02:01:54 PM  
Many dickwads here on Fark still think the Soviets were the good guys in this.
 
2013-06-19 02:02:35 PM  

iheartscotch: / if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left


I think that by now we are all familiar with the notion that people are more forgiving of presidents from their preferred party.  Can we move on now?

/directed toward a whole bunch of yins.
 
2013-06-19 02:03:22 PM  

iheartscotch: So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left


See: napalming rural villages in Vietnam because Viet Cong activity may have been in the area.

Plus guys like you seemed to have no problem with bombing the shiat out of Iraqi civilians and infrastructure.
 
2013-06-19 02:05:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: iheartscotch: So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left

See: napalming rural villages in Vietnam because Viet Cong activity may have been in the area.

Plus guys like you seemed to have no problem with bombing the shiat out of Iraqi civilians and infrastructure.


Rather than just shooting up the villages that didn't want Communism?
 
2013-06-19 02:05:32 PM  

muck4doo: Many dickwads here on Fark still think the Soviets were the good guys in this.


Oh really.

I'm goddamn old enough to remember the outrage and anger following the Soviet invasion in 1979.  As I recall, the GOP got mad at Carter for not doing anything about it.
 
2013-06-19 02:05:40 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I still cannot understand why Fartb0ng0 got us into that war in the first place.

What the fark is that guy's problem?


I wonder too.  After all, he's the one who said it was a war of necessity.  A war where the vast majority of casualties occurred under Obama, not under Bush.  But I get it, the deterioration in the Afghan situation over the past 5 years is Bush's fault.
 
2013-06-19 02:06:29 PM  

iheartscotch: So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left


Bush did do it and "the left" isn't happy that it's continued.

If you have a point other than pushing a partisan agenda, please make it.
 
2013-06-19 02:09:07 PM  

Headso: All day long, American drones loomed in the sky above. "It's very normal," Khail said, speaking in Urdu through a translator with the United Kingdom legal charity Reprieve. "You see them during the day, you see them during the night -- they're always hovering."

That really must be awful, you never know when they take you shooting the shiat with your neighbors as a terr git together where you're gonna fly to merica and blow up some merkins.


I see what you did there, Mr. Merkin...
 
2013-06-19 02:10:10 PM  
Ahhhh Operation Enduring Freedom & the War on Terror, what a farking mess.
 
2013-06-19 02:10:39 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Many dickwads here on Fark still think the Soviets were the good guys in this.

Oh really.

I'm goddamn old enough to remember the outrage and anger following the Soviet invasion in 1979.  As I recall, the GOP got mad at Carter for not doing anything about it.


Carter boycotted the Olympics. Was that not good enough for you?

Read Fark sometime. There are many dumbshiats here who think the Soviet invasion was a good thing, and the Afghan people would be better off if they had succeeded. I hope you aren't one of those dumbasses.
 
2013-06-19 02:11:06 PM  
If they aren't doing anything wrong as far as terrorism they should have nothing to fear from the drones.

As for Obama....the whole mistrust issue is partially moot.  Everyone knows that Obama only lies when his lips are moving.
 
2013-06-19 02:11:16 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I still cannot understand why Fartb0ng0 got us into that war in the first place.

What the fark is that guy's problem?

I wonder too.  After all, he's the one who said it was a war of necessity.  A war where the vast majority of casualties occurred under Obama, not under Bush.  But I get it, the deterioration in the Afghan situation over the past 5 years is Bush's fault.


Well you see, Bush never finished the job, he decided he wanted to spank Saddam to show the world what a tough guy he was and call himself a "war president" on TV.

Bush diverted important military assets away from al qaeda's biggest stronghold and the Taliban ran away and hid where no one could find them.  Shiat, as we all know bin Laden was only dispatched from the planet recently.

So fark you guys, you wanted a war, you got two, deal with it.
 
2013-06-19 02:12:21 PM  

Jake Havechek: So fark you guys, you wanted a war, you got two, deal with it.


THIS.
 
2013-06-19 02:15:03 PM  

Diogenes: iheartscotch: So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left

Bush did do it and "the left" isn't happy that it's continued.

If you have a point other than pushing a partisan agenda, please make it.


I know bush did it too; I think that we should determine who our targets are before we blow them up. I think that everyone should be held accountable for their actions.
 
2013-06-19 02:16:27 PM  

rockradio1: If they aren't doing anything wrong as far as terrorism they should have nothing to fear from the drones.


Because no innocent people are ever killed ever.

Look - I'm not 100% sure about drones one way or the other.  I like the idea of not risking American lives unnecessarily.  And it's cheaper to use drones.  And it's easier to minimize collateral damage and all when using drones.  Yet I still question their legality and their broad use and whether they are always justified.

But your comment was about as dumb as they come.  In addition to being hackneyed.
 
2013-06-19 02:16:47 PM  
Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.
 
2013-06-19 02:17:17 PM  

iheartscotch: I know bush did it too; I think that we should determine who our targets are before we blow them up. I think that everyone should be held accountable for their actions.


That I can accept.  Whether using troops or drones, our human intel is crap.
 
2013-06-19 02:17:49 PM  

Jake Havechek: Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.


Or how much pride you take in a drone strike against an American citizen.
 
2013-06-19 02:19:39 PM  

muck4doo: Jake Havechek: Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.

Or how much pride you take in a drone strike against an American citizen.


We're talking about reality, sparky, something you have no concept of.
 
2013-06-19 02:20:25 PM  
"When I was in Pakistan, the fury and rage of people about the CIA, about the killing of large numbers of tribal leaders, was profoundly troubling," Greenwald wrote in an email. "Imagine a town hall in the United States bombed, and all the councilmen/women of a city wiped out."


Our country is incredibly farked. We've created so many thousands of blood feuds against ourselves. More 9/11s are absolutely inevitable. People, especially those living in tribal-based societies, don't forgive and forget shiat like this.
 
2013-06-19 02:21:27 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.

Or how much pride you take in a drone strike against an American citizen.

We're talking about reality, sparky, something you have no concept of.


Drone strikes against American Citizens is a reality, Sparky.
 
2013-06-19 02:22:17 PM  
No one trusts Obama but idiots, however who cares if an Afghan does? Obama isn't supposed to be looking out for his interests. Even if he isn't a terrorist himself he is associating with Taliban so fark him. This is like asking the deer if he trusts hunters.

I gotta say though the "But,but Bush" thing is getting old though. I remember once upon a time Fark considered it ridiculous to blame a guy who hadn't been in office for years for the current presidents problems and faults. Wonder when that was.....
 
2013-06-19 02:23:29 PM  

Digitalstrange: No one trusts Obama but idiots, however who cares if an Afghan does? Obama isn't supposed to be looking out for his interests. Even if he isn't a terrorist himself he is associating with Taliban so fark him. This is like asking the deer if he trusts hunters.

I gotta say though the "But,but Bush" thing is getting old though. I remember once upon a time Fark considered it ridiculous to blame a guy who hadn't been in office for years for the current presidents problems and faults. Wonder when that was.....


but but Clinton!
 
2013-06-19 02:24:16 PM  

Diogenes: rockradio1: If they aren't doing anything wrong as far as terrorism they should have nothing to fear from the drones.

Because no innocent people are ever killed ever.

Look - I'm not 100% sure about drones one way or the other.  I like the idea of not risking American lives unnecessarily.  And it's cheaper to use drones.  And it's easier to minimize collateral damage and all when using drones.  Yet I still question their legality and their broad use and whether they are always justified.

But your comment was about as dumb as they come.  In addition to being hackneyed.


A) first guy was joking about his "nothing to fear if you're not doing anything wrong comment"
B) you should hate the drones. They instill fear in people who have no chance defending themselves, they miss, they kill innocent people, they represent the worst kind of war
 
2013-06-19 02:24:34 PM  
He's the President, you never trust the President. That's what being American is all about!
 
2013-06-19 02:24:37 PM  

muck4doo: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.

Or how much pride you take in a drone strike against an American citizen.

We're talking about reality, sparky, something you have no concept of.

Drone strikes against American Citizens is a reality, Sparky.


Holy cow, you really are unable-to-tie-your-own-shoes stupid.

Wow.
 
2013-06-19 02:26:57 PM  
All day long, American drones loomed in the sky above. "It's very normal," Khail said, speaking in Urdu through a translator with the United Kingdom legal charity Reprieve. "You see them during the day, you see them during the night -- they're always hovering."

Fark, that would be creepy, knowing exactly the sort of spear that those things are the tip of. And absolutely bizarre, knowing that your land is the ant farm that's commanding the attention of a multi-trillion dollar military from the other side of the planet.
 
2013-06-19 02:31:33 PM  
Oblammy's just picking up where Shrub left off.

/voted 3rd party
 
2013-06-19 02:31:49 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: Think about it.

Think about how much your heart swelled with pride for Bush for springing into action the next time a friend or neighbor's kid comes home in a box.

War is not a game.

Or how much pride you take in a drone strike against an American citizen.

We're talking about reality, sparky, something you have no concept of.

Drone strikes against American Citizens is a reality, Sparky.

Holy cow, you really are unable-to-tie-your-own-shoes stupid.

Wow.


And that's your response? So you still want to live in a world of denial that Obama does drone strike American Citizens? You poor deluded soul.

/Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!
 
2013-06-19 02:32:03 PM  
It doesn't really matter to me if your President is Republican, Democrat, black, white, or elected with X% of the popular vote. I don't care about your country's political landscape and intentions.

If your army blows up my dirt hut, it blows up my dirt hut. That's my reality. And now I don't like you... and I'm probably going to not like you and your country for a very, very long time.
 
2013-06-19 02:34:49 PM  
I love the dismissal by many here.

I'm sure this kind of thing would be dismissed just as quickly if someone else was president, right?
 
2013-06-19 02:37:10 PM  

muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!


Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.
 
2013-06-19 02:37:34 PM  
You know, I used to be obsessed with the Vietnam war.

I studied it in depth, and it sickened me so badly, the only positive I could find is that America would probably never again get involved in such a shiatty mess if they thought it out beforehand, and knew the goddamn right time to either finish it or get out of Dodge.  I even remember seeing the airlift off of the U.S. embassy in 1975.

I was wrong, we did get into another unwinnable war based on body counts as a measure of progress towards victory.  I was wrong.
 
2013-06-19 02:40:08 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.


Oh, was he not an American Citizen?
 
2013-06-19 02:41:05 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.


Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.
 
2013-06-19 02:42:41 PM  
"Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass."

FARK would be wiped out for sure.
 
2013-06-19 02:45:21 PM  

muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.


So you're saying you support those who declare war against their own country and stand with al qaeda.

Do you cry about him daily?  You are okay with supporting terrorists aligned with al qaeda?  Have you or would you commit treason against the United States?  How long have you been a traitor?
 
2013-06-19 02:45:34 PM  
muck4doo:
Oh, was he not an American Citizen?

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.



c'mon, tell us what a great American he was and how proud of him you are and that what happened to him was an injustice to all Americans & that your aren't being obtuse as he was a true Patriot.

c'mon, no questions, no misdirection, what about the man did you respect enough to use him as an anti drone martyr.
 
2013-06-19 02:46:42 PM  

elbriley: "Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass."

FARK would be wiped out for sure.


Hah! exactly, there more to it but Muck wont share, it wold defeat his argument .... well, his delusion.
 
2013-06-19 02:46:50 PM  

Jake Havechek: Drone strikes against American Citizens is a reality, Sparky.

Holy cow, you really are unable-to-tie-your-own-shoes stupid.

Wow.


I might be feeding the troll, but I am pretty sure the american that he mentioned was one Anwar al-Alwaki.  An honest to god American who was killed by drone strike in northern Yemin.  There was no trial, and an American (native born) was killed abroad by drone.  Citation

I, for one, am not comfortable with how the whole thing played out, even if Anwar probably DID deserve a good beatdown.
 
2013-06-19 02:48:05 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.

So you're saying you support those who declare war against their own country and stand with al qaeda.

Do you cry about him daily?  You are okay with supporting terrorists aligned with al qaeda?  Have you or would you commit treason against the United States?  How long have you been a traitor?


Obama should drone strike Ayers by that justification.

/Have you ever sat and pondered what an idiot you are?
 
2013-06-19 02:49:14 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo:
Oh, was he not an American Citizen?

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.


c'mon, tell us what a great American he was and how proud of him you are and that what happened to him was an injustice to all Americans & that your aren't being obtuse as he was a true Patriot.

c'mon, no questions, no misdirection, what about the man did you respect enough to use him as an anti drone martyr.


Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.
 
2013-06-19 02:49:31 PM  
If you want to talk about Anwar al-Alwaki, what was your attitude about John Walker Lindh?

I recall the sentiment from conservatives was a lot different, then, hmmm?

Or how 'bout Jose Padilla?
 
2013-06-19 02:51:03 PM  
muck4doo:

/Have you ever sat and pondered what an idiot you are?

Have you ever thought about how much of a traitor you are?
 
2013-06-19 02:51:47 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo:

/Have you ever sat and pondered what an idiot you are?

Have you ever thought about how much of a traitor you are?


You gonna drone strike me?
 
2013-06-19 02:53:16 PM  

muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.


Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.
 
2013-06-19 02:58:42 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.


Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader
 
2013-06-19 03:04:30 PM  

muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.

Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader


And that, friends and neighbors, is why Mr. Muck is a certified bonehead.
 
2013-06-19 03:06:46 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.

Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader

And that, friends and neighbors, is why Mr. Muck is a certified bonehead.


Don't drone strike me bro!
 
2013-06-19 03:07:29 PM  

muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.

Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader


buy you aren't a threat to this country, you're just some person on the internet defending a traitorous murderer to make political points.
It's funny if you are attempting to liken yourself to such a monster.
 
2013-06-19 03:08:15 PM  
Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.
 
2013-06-19 03:09:31 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.


He wasn't given a trial before being executed?
 
2013-06-19 03:10:01 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.

Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader

buy you aren't a threat to this country, you're just some person on the internet defending a traitorous murderer to make political points.
It's funny if you are attempting to liken yourself to such a monster.


Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.
 
2013-06-19 03:11:18 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Bad American! Need drone strike! You are a totalitarian idiot.

Bwhahah! you can't defend him and are too stubborn to admit it.
you can call me names until you feel better, i don't mind.

Just drone strike me as a bad American who doesn't agree with Dear Leader

And that, friends and neighbors, is why Mr. Muck is a certified bonehead.


I don't think muck is defending him.  I think muck is saying that drone bombing  any American citizen without a trial is wrong.

You apparently disagree and are fine with that type of thing.  I'm sure you would have also been fine with it had Bush drone bombed an American citizen without a trial.  Right?
 
2013-06-19 03:11:49 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.

He wasn't given a trial before being executed?


his God can judge him.
 
2013-06-19 03:12:06 PM  

muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.


Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...
 
2013-06-19 03:12:41 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.

He wasn't given a trial before being executed?


If Obama wants to do some killing of American Citizens without trial it's O-Tay with many of our Fark totalitarian douchebags who love him.
 
2013-06-19 03:13:19 PM  

muck4doo: Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.


you sure do ask a lot of questions. go on and tell us what a wonderful American he was & how proud and patriotic he makes you feel.
 
2013-06-19 03:14:31 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I may hurt some feelings here, but only an idiot would trust Oblamma.


That's because expecting a politician to ride in and save the day is dumb. Even FDR who was a saint as these things go, decided to punt and put Japanese Americans in camps.
 
2013-06-19 03:15:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...


Where did I cheer it on? And why does Bush make it an excuse where you can cheerlead killing American Citizens without a trial. For saying you hate one thing so much, you sure do go out of your way to defend killing American Citizens without trial.

/But but but Bush!
 
2013-06-19 03:16:08 PM  
GanjSmokr:

You apparently disagree and are fine with that type of thing.  I'm sure you would have also been fine with it had Bush drone bombed an American citizen without a trial.  Right?

Am I?

I recall hearing about grousing about "Miranda rights having to be read on the battlefield" from your set.  Or objections to American citizens and non-citizens alike being tried for terrorist acts in civilian courts as common criminals, affording them all the legal resources available to American citizens

So which is it?
 
2013-06-19 03:16:41 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.

you sure do ask a lot of questions. go on and tell us what a wonderful American he was & how proud and patriotic he makes you feel.


No, you convinced us he was a bad American and needed some killing courtesy Obama.
 
2013-06-19 03:17:17 PM  

Jake Havechek: GanjSmokr:

You apparently disagree and are fine with that type of thing.  I'm sure you would have also been fine with it had Bush drone bombed an American citizen without a trial.  Right?

Am I?

I recall hearing about grousing about "Miranda rights having to be read on the battlefield" from your set.  Or objections to American citizens and non-citizens alike being tried for terrorist acts in civilian courts as common criminals, affording them all the legal resources available to American citizens

So which is it?


But but but Bush!
 
2013-06-19 03:17:18 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.

you sure do ask a lot of questions. go on and tell us what a wonderful American he was & how proud and patriotic he makes you feel.


Let's try it this way...

He was a terrible American and a traitor, but drone bombing American citizens without a trial is WRONG.

Is that too hard to agree with?
 
2013-06-19 03:17:44 PM  

muck4doo: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...

Where did I cheer it on? And why does Bush make it an excuse where you can cheerlead killing American Citizens without a trial. For saying you hate one thing so much, you sure do go out of your way to defend killing American Citizens without trial.

/But but but Bush!


So when are you selling the Anwar T shirts and starting a charity in his name?
 
2013-06-19 03:18:58 PM  

Jake Havechek: GanjSmokr:

You apparently disagree and are fine with that type of thing.  I'm sure you would have also been fine with it had Bush drone bombed an American citizen without a trial.  Right?

Am I?

I recall hearing about grousing about "Miranda rights having to be read on the battlefield" from your set.  Or objections to American citizens and non-citizens alike being tried for terrorist acts in civilian courts as common criminals, affording them all the legal resources available to American citizens

So which is it?


I guess it's all okay then with you.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:56 PM  

Jake Havechek: from your set


I'm not the drone you're looking for.  I don't fall easily into a "set"...  I was against this shiat when Bush was in office and I'm against it now.  You talk like you are fine with it now, so I have to assume you were fine with it when Bush did it.  Or you're a partisan hypocrite.  Which one is it?
 
2013-06-19 03:20:10 PM  

GanjSmokr: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.

you sure do ask a lot of questions. go on and tell us what a wonderful American he was & how proud and patriotic he makes you feel.

Let's try it this way...

He was a terrible American and a traitor, but drone bombing American citizens without a trial is WRONG.

Is that too hard to agree with?


I believe that once he sided with al-Qaeda & took up arms against my fellow Americans, he cease to be an American by choice.  He denounced America long before he was blown up in a car with other al-Queda members.
 
2013-06-19 03:20:17 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...

Where did I cheer it on? And why does Bush make it an excuse where you can cheerlead killing American Citizens without a trial. For saying you hate one thing so much, you sure do go out of your way to defend killing American Citizens without trial.

/But but but Bush!

So when are you selling the Anwar T shirts and starting a charity in his name?


Is that all you have to say about that? Go back to your cheer leading then.
 
2013-06-19 03:21:21 PM  

Isitoveryet: GanjSmokr: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: Oh, was he tried in a court of law and found guilty with the death penalty as a verdict? Or was he a bad American and you are okay with killing his ass? Sounds like the second.

you sure do ask a lot of questions. go on and tell us what a wonderful American he was & how proud and patriotic he makes you feel.

Let's try it this way...

He was a terrible American and a traitor, but drone bombing American citizens without a trial is WRONG.

Is that too hard to agree with?

I believe that once he sided with al-Qaeda & took up arms against my fellow Americans, he cease to be an American by choice.  He denounced America long before he was blown up in a car with other al-Queda members.


Good for you Judge Dredd
 
2013-06-19 03:21:22 PM  
But but but Bush!


It is relevant.

Conservatives cried about cruise missile strikes that went awry, so they could blame a Democrat.  Then suddenly, they cared not a whit about Iraqi and Afghan civilians being blown to bits.  Now they suddenly support people who declare war against their own countries.

It's a crazy world.
 
2013-06-19 03:21:47 PM  

muck4doo: So when are you selling the Anwar T shirts and starting a charity in his name?

Is that all you have to say about that? Go back to your cheer leading then.


oh brother, coming from you that's real comedy.
 
2013-06-19 03:22:27 PM  

muck4doo: Good for you Judge Dredd


LOL
 
2013-06-19 03:22:57 PM  

Jake Havechek: But but but Bush!


It is relevant.

Conservatives cried about cruise missile strikes that went awry, so they could blame a Democrat.  Then suddenly, they cared not a whit about Iraqi and Afghan civilians being blown to bits.  Now they suddenly support people who declare war against their own countries.

It's a crazy world.


It's a crazy world when you cry about one guy, but are perfectly okay and excuse the crimes of another, becuase.....He did it first!
 
2013-06-19 03:27:08 PM  

muck4doo: Jake Havechek: But but but Bush!


It is relevant.

Conservatives cried about cruise missile strikes that went awry, so they could blame a Democrat.  Then suddenly, they cared not a whit about Iraqi and Afghan civilians being blown to bits.  Now they suddenly support people who declare war against their own countries.

It's a crazy world.

It's a crazy world when you cry about one guy, but are perfectly okay and excuse the crimes of another, becuase.....He did it first!


One guy like John Walker Lindh or Jose Padilla?
 
2013-06-19 03:27:32 PM  
This is all Clinton's fault.
//can we still hate Clinton?
 
2013-06-19 03:28:36 PM  

iheartscotch: So, we don't even get confirmation that the group of people are members of Al Queda before we blow them up?

/ if bush had done this; he'd be labeled as a war criminal by the left


If Bush had done this, he would be labeled a HERO by the right.
//durp works both ways
 
2013-06-19 03:32:24 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Isitoveryet: muck4doo: /Check it out! Jake thinks Obama doesn't do drone strikes on American Citizens!

Anwar al-Awlaki? that's your example of drone strikes on American citizens? are you telling me that you believe al-Awlaki to have been an innocent American minding his own business when boom?

i want to hear you defend this man.

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.

So you're saying you support those who declare war against their own country and stand with al qaeda.

Do you cry about him daily?  You are okay with supporting terrorists aligned with al qaeda?  Have you or would you commit treason against the United States?  How long have you been a traitor?


interesting that you jump to the Alwaliki the father. Ok even though they never charged him with a crime, crimes the administration claims are easy as pie to see, they never charged him with a crime. So you might not think that is a big deal but treason etc that you are throwing around left and right have very specific definitions. Lets also forget for a moment that the guy you are saying deserved extra-judicial killing was also invited to the pentagon on numerous occasions and touted as an example of moderate Islam. So these same folks you trust to carry out these assassinations are the same folks who told you that guy was A OK. Also we know that several Americans have been killed in drone strikes. We don't know all of their names as it is highly classified. One of the folks we do know that was killed just happened to be a 16 year old kid. Now if you have you tube videos of him declaring jihad or anything other than his dad was an asshole I think people would like to see that because as far as I know NO explanation has been given as to why the 16 year old awaliki was assassinated.

And those are just the Americans we know about.

And I don't cry for anyone. I cry for the constitution because folks like you and the people you pick to represent your views shiat all over the document that set this nation apart and made it special.
 
2013-06-19 03:36:03 PM  
I cry for the constitution because folks like you and the people you pick to represent your views shiat all over the document that set this nation apart and made it special.

You weren't crying for it on September 12.
 
2013-06-19 03:38:56 PM  

kindms: I cry for the constitution


Jesus.
 
2013-06-19 03:39:03 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek: But but but Bush!


It is relevant.

Conservatives cried about cruise missile strikes that went awry, so they could blame a Democrat.  Then suddenly, they cared not a whit about Iraqi and Afghan civilians being blown to bits.  Now they suddenly support people who declare war against their own countries.

It's a crazy world.

It's a crazy world when you cry about one guy, but are perfectly okay and excuse the crimes of another, becuase.....He did it first!

One guy like John Walker Lindh or Jose Padilla?


Still avoiding the obvious I see.
 
2013-06-19 03:40:41 PM  

Jake Havechek: I cry for the constitution because folks like you and the people you pick to represent your views shiat all over the document that set this nation apart and made it special.

You weren't crying for it on September 12.


Neither were you.
 
2013-06-19 03:43:29 PM  

justtray: Another thing the Taliban has in common with the Right.


You just probably just stick with poorly spelled insults, trolling doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

-1/10
 
2013-06-19 03:48:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...


So now it's fine because Obama did it? You hated it then, but now see it as a grand tool? This could have been stopped by guess who, Obama.

This is the crap I hate on all these boards, you see something you don't like, you shouldn't suddenly approve of it because some politician that you like suddenly likes it. It's a bad law, and should be gotten rid of.
 
2013-06-19 03:48:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: I cry for the constitution because folks like you and the people you pick to represent your views shiat all over the document that set this nation apart and made it special.

You weren't crying for it on September 12.


You sure seem to "know" quite a bit about how everyone else felt or how they reacted to things in the past... are you with the NSA?
 
2013-06-19 03:48:41 PM  

pedobearapproved: You just probably just stick with poorly spelled insults, trolling doesn't appear to be your strong suit.


And anti-trolling be not yours.
 
2013-06-19 03:49:44 PM  
Dones need to farking die. Like...holy fark. The US needs to issue an official apology for this and pull drones out of the area altogether.

/We won't. But we need to.
 
2013-06-19 04:26:59 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Many dickwads here on Fark still think the Soviets were the good guys in this.

Oh really.

I'm goddamn old enough to remember the outrage and anger following the Soviet invasion in 1979.  As I recall, the GOP got mad at Carter for not doing anything about it.


Yessir
 
2013-06-19 05:22:03 PM  
Now the REAL nightly entertainment will come once those who are of such a mind start putting wings on IEDs, hook 'em up to the tubes, and fly 'em around sporting events, large gatherings, etc. Have a look at the drone flying around the protests in Turkey (before it was shot down by police).. that will give you an idea of what's to come.. once the tech can support heavier, denser payloads.

/Drones won't be for just for the rich and powerful anymore.
//I LEARNED IT FROM YOU, OK???!?!?!
 
2013-06-19 05:59:45 PM  

justtray: Another thing the Taliban has in common with the Right.


Of course they share the left's opinion of Bush.
 
2013-06-19 06:03:39 PM  

cheesedog1: Jake Havechek: Substitute Obama with Bush and Afghanistan with Iraq and you might have an argument.

The GOP seems to forget that their hero Bush got us into this mess, yet they love to blame Kennedy for Vietnam.

I blame the french


I blame Ike
 
2013-06-19 06:09:44 PM  
 
2013-06-19 06:14:33 PM  

Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...


Good thing your man, Obama, chose not to extend the Patriot Act...twice.
 
2013-06-19 06:16:37 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...

Good thing your man, Obama, chose not to extend the Patriot Act...twice.


And yet for some reason we can't get a viable third party started.
 
2013-06-19 06:20:15 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Jake Havechek: muck4doo: Jake Havechek , deciderer of good and bad Americans.

Nope, that was your hero Bush, who pushed the USA Patriot Act through and essentially eliminated the 4th Amendment, while you cheered him on.

Short memory motherfarker...

Good thing your man, Obama, chose not to extend the Patriot Act...twice.


Fark lib response:

Well, He started it!
 
2013-06-19 06:31:20 PM  

Jake Havechek: I cry for the constitution because folks like you and the people you pick to represent your views shiat all over the document that set this nation apart and made it special.

You weren't crying for it on September 12.


As a matter of fact I knew the attack was going to be used as justification for all sorts of BS when the ra ra ra started. And I called bush out for his BS then as I call Obama on his.

I watched many of my neighbors buried in the weeks following that attack. Still doesn't make it ok to ignore the laws that define our country.

So you are wrong. I wasnt cheerleading war or any other crap as a result of 9/11.

Killing people w/o charging them of crimes so that they have no ability to confront the charges or accusers stands in direct contradiction to what this country claims are its ideals.
 
2013-06-19 07:48:37 PM  

Jake Havechek: Substitute Obama with Bush and Afghanistan with Iraq and you might have an argument.

The GOP seems to forget that their hero Bush got us into this mess, yet they love to blame Kennedy for Vietnam.




Everybody is wrong.

Our involvement in Vietnam started with FDR in WWII with OSS support of Ho Chi Minh . FYI We also gave some support to Mao. During Ike's administration we gave a lot of support to the French trying to reestablish their colonial rule. There is some opinion that had Ike provided the B-29 support the French requested during the battle of Dien Bein Phu the outcome of the Vietnam war would have been different

This argument about who gave support to who is nonsense. It would be like complaining about FDR and Truman providing support to Stalin during WWII.

It boils down to an "enemy of my enemies situation". Overtime alliances changed as nations' interests change so do their alliances. Yesterday's friend can be tomorrow's enemy and vice versa.
 
2013-06-19 08:19:03 PM  

Isitoveryet: muck4doo:
Oh, was he not an American Citizen?

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.


c'mon, tell us what a great American he was and how proud of him you are and that what happened to him was an injustice to all Americans & that your aren't being obtuse as he was a true Patriot.

c'mon, no questions, no misdirection, what about the man did you respect enough to use him as an anti drone martyr.


I respected his rights as an American citizen.
 
2013-06-19 08:22:05 PM  
I agree, Drones are a waste of time, money, and effort.  Get them out of there.
They just get in the way of the carpet bombing anyway, which is what we really should be doing.

No apologies.  The Terrorists are still attacking us.  They do that, because the "civilians" do nothing to stop them, even though they know who is involved and who is doing the attacks.  That makes them just as guilty as the attackers themselves.
 
2013-06-19 09:29:49 PM  
here's an idea for ALL of those mideast nations who seem bent on destroying the west and converting everyone involuntarily to the nation of extreme islamic law. how bout you quit harboring radical islamists and let the world live in peace? scared of the drones? turn in the radical jihadist who is planning an attack on any western people.i realize the drones make you scared,but how do you think it makes the western world feel when people of islamist ilk kill and dismember western folk for no other reason then being western in the first place? you call us barbarians but you kill us indiscrimanatly regardless of what each and every individual believes? and you would expect us to act any differently? ive long said,draw a line on the map and just put some evil drawing on it and say"there be monsters there" and sadly,the line has always be drawn around your countries. if you want to live in the stone age,fine,just quit screwing with the rest of the world. you talk about western conquests but it really seems like the islamist world is the one bent on conquest. you seem to think we should bend to your will. it's not gonna happen. the rest of the world will continue to evolve for better or worse which is the natural way things happen. and if you continue to threaten us,you will likely continue to see western technology hovering over your heads. give us no reason and we will likely leave you alone.
 
2013-06-20 12:25:11 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Isitoveryet: muck4doo:
Oh, was he not an American Citizen?

Maybe he wasn't an American you liked. That makes it okay to drone strike his ass.


c'mon, tell us what a great American he was and how proud of him you are and that what happened to him was an injustice to all Americans & that your aren't being obtuse as he was a true Patriot.

c'mon, no questions, no misdirection, what about the man did you respect enough to use him as an anti drone martyr.

I respected his rights as an American citizen.


that's an appropriate answer & i appreciate it.
 
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