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(USA Today)   Fat people rejoice as obesity is now classified as a disease. A delicious fried disease covered with cheese and gravy   (m.usatoday.com) divider line 108
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2013-06-19 12:48:58 PM
hear that, glioblastoma and als patients! you too can just put down the fork!
 
2013-06-19 12:54:22 PM
Links to distorted dinkyphone sites?
 
2013-06-19 12:56:12 PM
biatch, please - you must have a mental disease
Assume the position and get back down on your knees ... doing squats.
 
2013-06-19 12:56:38 PM
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It's a disease, dagnabbit! And this here is mah prescription!
 
2013-06-19 12:56:41 PM
finally, fat people can get the treatment they need from the expensive clinic that tells you to
"eat less, eat better, exercise more".
 
2013-06-19 12:57:03 PM
I'm curious as to the relationship between the obesity disease and the number of trips to the McDonald's drive-thru.
 
2013-06-19 12:57:41 PM
Overeating is contagious. Maybe the "afflicted" should be quarantined in some sort of buffet sanitarium.
 
2013-06-19 12:58:39 PM
I'm concerned because obesity is so easy to catch. I mean have you ever seen a fat person who could run fast?
 
2013-06-19 01:01:56 PM
These fatties are addicts.
 
2013-06-19 01:03:07 PM
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2013-06-19 01:03:09 PM
I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.
 
2013-06-19 01:04:11 PM
From the Onion:
Obesity linked to the use of the words "Don't skimp on the..."
 
2013-06-19 01:06:19 PM
As a fat person myself, this is ridiculous. Obesity is not a disease and it does not deserve to be treated as such. It is, at most, a mental problem. Unlike real diseases, such as malaria and tuberculosis, obesity can be overcome with tenacity and self-control. Eat less, move more.

/excusing myself to go be fat somewhere else
 
2013-06-19 01:07:46 PM
Gangrenes a disease. No cure except amputation.
 
2013-06-19 01:09:42 PM

GiantRex: As a fat person myself, this is ridiculous. Obesity is not a disease and it does not deserve to be treated as such. It is, at most, a mental problem. Unlike real diseases, such as malaria and tuberculosis, obesity can be overcome with tenacity and self-control. Eat less, move more.

/excusing myself to go be fat somewhere else


Just because a disease is easily preventable and easily treatable does not mean it isn't a disease.

Your fat ass is diseased.
 
2013-06-19 01:11:04 PM
Yeah, well, if the American Diabetes Association drops the numbers on normal, pre-diabetic and diabetic glucose levels again, we're all going to be on Metformin and stabbing our fingers 4 times daily.

Think of the Big Pharma profits. All those meds, strips, pokey things, meters, tests...

/I eat a lot of sugar...I'm still high from my bowl of Chocolate Frosted Fruit Loops with Fortunate Chunks of Hydrogenated Pig Fat
/Lose weight yesterday. Eat right yesterday. Exercise regularly yesterday.
/apparently nearly 3/4 of disease in America has to do with terrible diet
/Big Food gets you sick, Big Pharma keeps you alive. Tell them both to fark off
 
2013-06-19 01:12:05 PM
So now my tax dollars get to go to some fat ass who breathes heavy standing still.
 
2013-06-19 01:13:05 PM
I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


This is how I see it. Plenty of diseases are directly related to behaviors including a good many cancers.
 
2013-06-19 01:14:50 PM
I've read a lot on the subject and I am of two minds. On the one hand, the obesity is largely a lifestyle/social issue. We are too fat because of all the mechanisms that pump extra calories into us, ranging from government subsidies and programmes to promote excess production, excess consumption, and low prices for certain commodities (notably corn, soybeans, meat, etc.), while individual obesity is down to evolutionary traps (such as our natural cravings for salt, fat, oils, sugars, etc.) and genetic or congenital factors.

Obesity is one of those phenomenon that is naturally multi-disciplinary: it is at once genetic, epigenetic, congenital, personal, familial, social and political.

How you eat, what you eat, when you eat, why you eat, and how much you eat are all influenced by a myriad of factors. Causation is seldom simple in the real world. Rather than one cause, one effect, a large number of "causes" combine to produce a large number of "effects", which interplay with each other until naming a culprit becomes futile if not impossible.

Yes, we eat too much. But we need to work at all levels, from the global to the personal, to avoid this.

We are not well-designed. Our environments are not well-designed. Our science, although helpful, is not always well-designed. Many studies are just too biased or too small to be useful. We are flooded with misinformation because scientists, university and government PR departments, and journalists don't do their jobs very well. And we don't do our jobs as consumers and readers very well either.

Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue that needs to be addressed at many levels of organization, by many institutions, with many ideas and varied values.

It is really complex, perhaps almost chaotic, because small things count in large amounts.
 
2013-06-19 01:16:26 PM

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...


No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.
 
2013-06-19 01:17:28 PM
Forks Over Knives
Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

I'm not recommending anything other than watching those two documentaries...
 
2013-06-19 01:17:38 PM

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.



This is an obvious thing to anyone without some sort of brain retardation disease.  Hyper obesity (regular obesity isn't even that extreme technically) is a mental/physical addiction just like any other. Calling it a disease doesn't mean people aren't responsible for their actions, just like Alcoholics.

What I do really hate though is the myth that some people have slow metabolisms that make them fat.  Yes, you can have a thyroid issue which can make you gain weight, yes you may have a less active body/brain, but at the end of the day you can not break the laws of thermodynamics. I don't care how screwed up your metabolism is, if you eat fewer calories than you burn you will lose weight.  We all have different levels of willpower and different biological hunger drives but anyone can do it if you help them out mentally.
 
2013-06-19 01:18:26 PM

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


I couldn't disagree more.

Sports injuries are generally sustained because someone else (competitor) gave them to you. Whether it be direct (contact) or indirect (a sport like tennis), there was a force that caused you to get injured. It isn't like "play sports = injury" is 100% guaranteed or predictable.

I guess you could argue that the food acted as a competitor and coerced the obese into eating it very much in the same way a competing athlete will put you in positions to injure yourself but that is a streeeeeeetttttttcccccchhhhh I am not willing to take.
 
2013-06-19 01:19:24 PM
I started to stand up and rejoice but got tired and out of breath.  Had to sit down.

Think I'm gonna go take a nap.
 
2013-06-19 01:19:44 PM
I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!
 
2013-06-19 01:20:28 PM
By the way, if you try and use the "follow the money" logic on this one ... man, it points in a whole lot of directions.
 
2013-06-19 01:21:11 PM
You can not save the world by shopping.

I don't know if I came up with that maxim or got it from somebody else, perhaps a green guru or journalist. But it is true. Shopping is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. Yes, you can learn to shop better. You can learn the tricks and deceits of commerce and how to avoid them. You can stay out of the middle aisles and shop only in the aisles where the whole food (some of it not too whole or unadulterated nowadays) is.

But our consumer society gives us too many choices, and too many of them are bad choices from an economic, ecological or nutritional point of view.

The consumer, however, can not reasonably be expected to learn everything she needs to know, or retain this information and update it continuously to reflect the rapidly changing facts on portion sizes, package sizes, package contents, nutrition, health, etc.

Thus I say, you can not save the world by shopping. Bootstrappy self-reliance and "common sense" are over-whelmed by marketing, advertising, lies, deceit, political propaganda, misunderstanding and the natural biases of the human mind. You can try to defend yourself, "shop defensively" as you "drive defensively", but in the end, the responsability for accountability and transparency falls on governments, corporations and other institutions, as well as on households and indviduals.
 
2013-06-19 01:25:38 PM

brantgoose: You can not save the world by shopping.

I don't know if I came up with that maxim or got it from somebody else, perhaps a green guru or journalist. But it is true. Shopping is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. Yes, you can learn to shop better. You can learn the tricks and deceits of commerce and how to avoid them. You can stay out of the middle aisles and shop only in the aisles where the whole food (some of it not too whole or unadulterated nowadays) is.

But our consumer society gives us too many choices, and too many of them are bad choices from an economic, ecological or nutritional point of view.

The consumer, however, can not reasonably be expected to learn everything she needs to know, or retain this information and update it continuously to reflect the rapidly changing facts on portion sizes, package sizes, package contents, nutrition, health, etc.

Thus I say, you can not save the world by shopping. Bootstrappy self-reliance and "common sense" are over-whelmed by marketing, advertising, lies, deceit, political propaganda, misunderstanding and the natural biases of the human mind. You can try to defend yourself, "shop defensively" as you "drive defensively", but in the end, the responsability for accountability and transparency falls on governments, corporations and other institutions, as well as on households and indviduals.


I will see your theory and raise you an axiom that American obesity is caused or exacerbated by the now universal presence of air conditioning. We used to burn enormous amounts of energy from our bodies trying to keep cool. We now burn enormous amounts of coal energy trying to keep cool.

When we decided to regulate our body temperature with external energy, we got fat. Fat fat fatty fat fat.
 
2013-06-19 01:26:50 PM

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


Yeah before now western civilization was all about personal responsibility.....
 
2013-06-19 01:28:29 PM
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2013-06-19 01:31:14 PM

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


There are lots of things we call diseases that are self-inflicted. This doesn't have anything to do with blame or lake of blame
 
2013-06-19 01:32:38 PM
A GIS for "you can not save the world by shopping" shows one hit--my Fark post. Without the quotation marks, it shows 301,000,000 hits. There are a lot of webpages telling you that you can save the world by shopping and a lot denying this. They are probably about equally divided between "greens" and "green skeptics", so that you are getting conflicting advice from both sides, pro and contra.

Sorting through immense amounts of misinformation, raw data, BS headlines attached to sensible articles, etc., I can tell you this:

Sleep well.

Drink plenty of clean safe water.

Drink black tea and low-cal coffee in reasonable amounts.

A touch of what you fancy does the soul good. But don't delude yourself: it's just a touch sometimes.

Eat more fresh fruit, carefully washed.

Take it easy on the add-ons.

Shop carefully, with a shopping list to help you plan and avoid temptation.

Eat thoughtfully and chew carefully. Use smaller plates and other tricks if you find they help.

Don't over stock. It leads both to waste and to over-consumption.

Don't understock. It leads to unnecessary shopping trips, eating out, eating junk food and other forms of waste and excess.

Eat less animal fat and modest portions of a variety of meats, dairy, eggs, etc.

If you go Vegan or Vegetarian, you will have to work at it and know your stuff because it is harder to get all the essential amino acids, vitamins and minerals on a restricted rather than omnivor diet.

Don't over do the variety. It is fun, it is a pleasure, but you will eat more also. A little monotony and blandness can do you good. To quote Einstein, "Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler."

Get up and move. Even moderate walking, if done frequently and for reasonable lengths of time, can work wonders in your health. You should not sit for hours at a time. Sitting is unnatural. Walking, running and standing, or lying down to sleep are natural. Sitting is not.

Thimk. It's still as true today as it was when it was invented by a marketing man in the 1950s.
 
2013-06-19 01:35:28 PM
Obesity is a disease in the same sense that gambling addiction is a disease. Only it's food not money but the problem is the compulsion to over indulge. It's not really as simple as saying don't do it. If it was then there would be no fat people There are underlying issues that need to be addressed

Having said that I don't think either should be considered a disease. If anything it should fall under psychological disorders.
 
2013-06-19 01:40:46 PM
Here's a slogan that is not true, but worth thinking about:

Obesity is not a disease, it is a mental illness.

You catch it from your co-workers, bosses, friends, family and close personal enemies. You can even catch it from the Gubbermint or by watching Fox News, as it can be transmitted electronically. It's like that horror movie where the disease is transmitted over the air. I forget what it is called.

Aha! Google to the rescue: Pontypool, a low budget Canadian horror movie in which a verbally transmitted virus leads to chaos and death, as memes so often do.
 
2013-06-19 01:42:57 PM

lecavalier: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.

I couldn't disagree more.

Sports injuries are generally sustained because someone else (competitor) gave them to you. Whether it be direct (contact) or indirect (a sport like tennis), there was a force that caused you to get injured. It isn't like "play sports = injury" is 100% guaranteed or predictable.

I guess you could argue that the food acted as a competitor and coerced the obese into eating it very much in the same way a competing athlete will put you in positions to injure yourself but that is a streeeeeeetttttttcccccchhhhh I am not willing to take.


The sports analogy was not the best, I'll admit, but I stand by the alcohol-related cirrhosis one. Drinking alcohol in moderation is generally recognized as being good for you, but too much leads to disease. Eating food is generally recognized as being good for you, too, but too much leads to disease.

The sports analogy wasn't trying to say that playing sports automatically means injury. I was trying to say that if, for example, you go diving and fail to handle yourself appropriately and get the bends, you still have the bends whether it was your fault or not. People who are obese have all sorts of problems related to a surfeit of body fat - regardless of how the fat got there, it's a problem that needs to be treated. Classifying it as a disease doesn't remove responsibility from the person.

/ not obese
// not even overweight
 
2013-06-19 01:47:19 PM
Good luck ever finding a handicapped parking space in front of a McDonald's now.
 
2013-06-19 01:48:03 PM
I always knew that obese people are diseased. Just take a whiff of them. Pee-YOOOO!
 
2013-06-19 01:56:25 PM
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Well: so much for gluttony being a sin. By the way, let's meet some of the people that will be featured on tonight's news when this story airs...

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/"We need to see your faces, so we can sympathize." -- no TV news producer doing an obesity story, ever.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:14 PM
The trend among the objectors seems to be that a "disease" is something that by definition has no connection to personal responsibility. But there are many diseases that are directly related to the behavior of the person, and the classification of "disease" has nothing to do with whether or not the person with that disease could have done something to prevent it.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.


Everyone has blood pressure, some people just have too much blood pressure. Doesn't matter that blood pressure, just like obesity, can also often be controlled by eating right and exercising more - you still have high blood pressure whether it's your fault or not and the problems it causes should still be treated. The recommended treatment for obesity - just like it is for many cases of high blood pressure - is to eat right and exercise, but that doesn't mean its effects shouldn't be managed while you're getting your weight or blood pressure down to the target.
 
2013-06-19 01:59:33 PM
Yet another new "disease" largely treatable with a 10cc dose of "Man the fark up, Nancy."
 
2013-06-19 02:01:48 PM
I wonder what percentage of BMI-obese people are actually just really musclebound.

/the BMI is flawed
//we're still a fat, sick and nearly dead nation
 
2013-06-19 02:05:46 PM
www.quotehd.com

/now there's two
 
2013-06-19 02:08:08 PM
Subby, I don't think the fat acceptance people are going to rejoice.

Calling it a disease means that can be treated which in turn means that you don't have to accept if someone is fat.
 
2013-06-19 02:10:05 PM

star_topology: I wonder what percentage of BMI-obese people are actually just really musclebound.

/the BMI is flawed
//we're still a fat, sick and nearly dead nation


There are far more people who have a normal BMI but a far too-high percentage of body fat (the true measure of obesity) than there are people who have a high BMI due to being well-muscled. BMI is flawed, but primarily in that in under-reports obesity, at least in the United States.
 
2013-06-19 02:15:12 PM

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


Getting fat by overeating isn't a disease, being fat because of overeating is. In other words, the consequence has been classified as a disease, not the cause.
 
2013-06-19 02:23:29 PM
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2013-06-19 02:31:27 PM
There are some people's obesity that is caused by disease, usually caused by an underacting Thyroid.
My story: when I was little, I was a twig... I hit puberty and my metabolism crashed on me, but as far as the doctor could see, it was just puberty and not a glandular problem. Through out highschool, I was active with volleyball, badminton, softball, bowling and a few other sports, but I was always overweight.
Of course, University just made me fatter as I wasn't active anymore, sitting on my ass all, stuffing my face with what ever I felt like. Then I was diagnosed with an anti immune disease for my Thyroid.. which means my body is trying to kill it, but it is still functioning at its appropriate levels. One day it will stop, they just don't know when.
So last year, as I was going to hit 210 pounds, my husband and I decided it was time to change our lifestyles. We are both office workers, who spend most of days sitting on our asses, and then come home and sit in front of the TV/Computer and go to bed.
We actively started watching what we were eating, added exercise and a year later, we've lost over 100 pounds together and are still going.

I spent along time saying it was my thyroid's problem, the doctors didn't know what they were talking about, and yadda yadda.. but it was me and my crappy attitude and lifestyle choices.
I'm really happy that when my thryoid does decide to kick the bucket, that I will be 130 pounds instead of 210.
 
2013-06-19 02:34:14 PM

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


Came here to say this.  You, sir, are TECHNICALLY CORRECT.  And, as we all know....
 
2013-06-19 02:36:34 PM
I fully expect to be obese when I get older. I eat crazy amounts of food and do almost no exercise at all. I just don't care enough about myself to do anything about it, really.

/sorry for the increased premiums
 
2013-06-19 02:42:40 PM
Leprosy is a disease also.

I don't want to be around lepers or fatties. ... or worse fat lepers!!!GAH
 
2013-06-19 02:47:29 PM
I fully expect some new drug from big pharma to be released soon.
 
2013-06-19 02:49:57 PM

brantgoose: Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue


Well, that is a new one.

What political issues encourage people to eat unhealthily, eat too much and don't exercise enough?
 
2013-06-19 02:53:37 PM

Lord Dimwit: tenpoundsofcheese: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.

Everyone has blood pressure, some people just have too much blood pressure. Doesn't matter that blood pressure, just like obesity, can also often be controlled by eating right and exercising more


That too is a stupid argument.
High Blood Pressure is NOT a disease.
 
2013-06-19 02:56:16 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: There are some people's obesity that is caused by disease, usually caused by an underacting Thyroid.
My story: when I was little, I was a twig... I hit puberty and my metabolism crashed on me, but as far as the doctor could see, it was just puberty and not a glandular problem. Through out highschool, I was active with volleyball, badminton, softball, bowling and a few other sports, but I was always overweight.
Of course, University just made me fatter as I wasn't active anymore, sitting on my ass all, stuffing my face with what ever I felt like. Then I was diagnosed with an anti immune disease for my Thyroid.. which means my body is trying to kill it, but it is still functioning at its appropriate levels. One day it will stop, they just don't know when.
So last year, as I was going to hit 210 pounds, my husband and I decided it was time to change our lifestyles. We are both office workers, who spend most of days sitting on our asses, and then come home and sit in front of the TV/Computer and go to bed.
We actively started watching what we were eating, added exercise and a year later, we've lost over 100 pounds together and are still going.

I spent along time saying it was my thyroid's problem, the doctors didn't know what they were talking about, and yadda yadda.. but it was me and my crappy attitude and lifestyle choices.
I'm really happy that when my thryoid does decide to kick the bucket, that I will be 130 pounds instead of 210.


Good luck to you on your continued health.
You were able to cure this disease by "actively started watching what we were eating, added exercise"

Hope other people could figure out that "secret".

Seriously, good luck to you.
 
2013-06-19 03:00:49 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: brantgoose: Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue

Well, that is a new one.

What political issues encourage people to eat unhealthily, eat too much and don't exercise enough?


Obama being elected. Seriously. There are people who tell their kids that because Michelle Obama is for it, they're against it. Sarah Palin published an editorial saying that you shouldn't listen to Michelle Obama's advice about eating healthily - because the "government" shouldn't tell you how to eat. Palin then goes on to say you should eat healthily in the same editorial, which is better because she's no longer in "the government". We have states removing regulation on the caloric and fat content in school meals out of spite. It's stupid.
 
2013-06-19 03:05:06 PM

alexanderplatz: The trend among the objectors seems to be that a "disease" is something that by definition has no connection to personal responsibility. But there are many diseases that are directly related to the behavior of the person, and the classification of "disease" has nothing to do with whether or not the person with that disease could have done something to prevent it.


meh.
The disease is lack of responsibility and thinking the nanny state will take care of them.  Throw in a little "participation trophy" and "special snowflake" mentality ("you don't need to exercise, just getting off the couch shows that you are special since you tried").

Sure, some people have medical issues that result in unnecessary weight gain.
 
2013-06-19 03:07:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord Dimwit: tenpoundsofcheese: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.

Everyone has blood pressure, some people just have too much blood pressure. Doesn't matter that blood pressure, just like obesity, can also often be controlled by eating right and exercising more

That too is a stupid argument.
High Blood Pressure is NOT a disease.


Really? Try looking up "primary hypertension" in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases or in the National Institutes of Health's Medical Subject Headings, where it's classified as a cardiovascular disease.

Secondary hypertension is a symptom of another disease (though it can be and often is treated as a disease in its own right) but primary hypertension is a disease in its own right.
 
2013-06-19 03:10:58 PM
It might or might not be a disease, but 90% of you still brought it on yourselves either way.
 
2013-06-19 03:21:59 PM

un4gvn666: I fully expect to be obese when I get older. I eat crazy amounts of food and do almost no exercise at all. I just don't care enough about myself to do anything about it, really.

/sorry for the increased premiums


Don't be.

Actual studies show that fatties cost less than healthy people, over the course of their lifetime.

If you factor in the time spent working out, it's practically a wash for the 'healthy' verse 'moderately obese' lifespans.  So, if you don't care about your abs, go ahead, have cake for dinner.
 
2013-06-19 03:22:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: brantgoose: Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue

Well, that is a new one.

What political issues encourage people to eat unhealthily, eat too much and don't exercise enough?


Bloomberg in NYC.  Michelle Obama and a vegetable garden.  Even mentioning that "hey, maybe Americans shouldn't be fat slobs eating fast food and drinking a gallon of soda each day" makes one a dirty pinko muslim commie.
 
2013-06-19 03:23:29 PM
Yeah?  And it exists.  It's here.  Do we do something about it?  Or do we ignore it.  Because something isn't working.  SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING.  Half your freakin population doesn't just get fat.  People are the same as they've always been.  People today aren't more stupid or less willful.  They're just as dumb and ignorant, or brilliant and thoughtful, as they've always been.  People are the same as in the days of ancient Rome, yet they didn't have this problem.  WHAT CHANGED?  And do we DO something about it?
 
2013-06-19 03:26:57 PM
I'm not for or against people being obese, but I always thought of obesity as the normal, expected body function.

The body is designed to store excess calories as fat.
The body is designed to burn those fat stores when needed.

Being really fat seems to be 'business as usual' to me, unless there is some other underlying cause.  If the reason you are obese is that you (like me) eat a lot and don't work out, it's not a disease, it's the expected outcome.  If I spend time in the sun, I'm *supposed* to get tan.  If I spend a LOT of time in the sun, I should get really tan.

Likewise, if I spend a LOT of time lifting weight and following a strict diet, I should build a lot of muscle.  If I have too much muscle, because I train 20 hours per week and eat like horse - is that a disease too?

This is like sleeping four hours per night and then saying you have chronic fatigue....
 
2013-06-19 03:32:42 PM
A social disease?
 
2013-06-19 03:37:21 PM

burning_bridge: Yeah?  And it exists.  It's here.  Do we do something about it?  Or do we ignore it.  Because something isn't working.  SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING.  Half your freakin population doesn't just get fat.  People are the same as they've always been.  People today aren't more stupid or less willful.  They're just as dumb and ignorant, or brilliant and thoughtful, as they've always been.  People are the same as in the days of ancient Rome, yet they didn't have this problem.  WHAT CHANGED?  And do we DO something about it?


Yes - something did change.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/30/us-daily-calorie-intake-up-30-in -3 0-years-cut-on-snacks-and-king-size-portion
US daily calorie intake up 30% in 30 years: cut on snacks and king size portion

There is no huge mystery or government conspiracy.  We understand what's going on.  We're eating more.  Food is cheap, abundant, and we *like* unhealthy food.  Nobody forced me to super-size my #3 meal at McDonald's - I WENT to McDonald's because I wanted greasy, cheap, abundant food.

The answer?  What do we do about it?  We, as individuals, decide to either eat less, or move more.  Or, wait for science to come up with some drug that prevents us from absorbing the food we eat (actually, science has had some success - but people didn't like the diarrhea that followed their high-fat feasts...)

But really - this is well known and well understood.

*  "Fast food servings, for example, are 2 to 5 times larger than they were in the 1980s. Evidence has shown that larger portions of energy-dense foods lead to greater energy intake and thus to greater rates of obesity "
*  "Evidence does not support the commonly expressed view that some obese people eat little yet gain weight due to a slow. On average obese people have a greater energy expenditure than normal weight or thin people."
*  "In the United States consumption of fast food meal has tripled and calorie intake from fast food has quadrupled between 1977 and 1995. "
*  "From 1971 - 2000, the average daily number of calories which women consumed in the United States increased by 335 calories per day (1542 calories in 1971 and 1877 calories in 2000)."
*  "For men, the average increase was 168 calories per day (2450 calories in 1971 and 2618 calories in 2000). Most of these extra calories came from an increase in carbohydrate consumption rather than an increase in fat consumption.
*  The majority of the extra calories came from sweetened beverages.

That's what changed.  We eat more.  Obese people eat more than they should.  The answer is so blindly simple - it's to eat less.  I choose not to because I really enjoy eating a lot.  It feels good.  Life is short.  But it's not a mystery.
 
2013-06-19 03:38:50 PM
Compulsion is the disease. Obesity is a symptom. Usual misperceived (or cynical) bullshiat.
 
2013-06-19 03:39:39 PM

brantgoose: Here's a slogan that is not true, but worth thinking about:

Obesity is not a disease, it is a mental illness.

.


You know, given the stigma against mental health issues, this might be the fix.  Nobody cares if someone calls them fat as they shovel that gallon of Ben & Kerry's down their gullet.  Tell them they're crazy for their compulsive behavior and it's a different story.  No one wants people to know they have a psychiatric issue.  This could fix the problem overnight.
 
2013-06-19 03:46:16 PM

jonny_q: WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!

There are lots of things we call diseases that are self-inflicted. This doesn't have anything to do with blame or lake of blame

 
2013-06-19 03:50:03 PM
 
2013-06-19 03:58:32 PM

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only disease you can get yelled at for having. Damn it Otto, you are an alcoholic! Damn it Otto, you have lupus! One of those two doesn't sound right."

     - Mitch Hedberg
 
2013-06-19 04:07:52 PM
Oh, come on.  People get yelled at for having all kinds of diseases.

"Damn it Otto, you smoked all your life and now you have lung cancer!"

"Damn it Otto, you ate too many Twinkies and now you have diabetes!"

"Damn it Otto, you slept around in college and now you have herpes!"

The difference being, I suppose, what you have and what you are.  You have cancer, but you are an alcoholic.  You have diabetes, but you are fat.

/discuss
 
2013-06-19 04:08:12 PM
It's not a disease if you can literally walk it off. sorry, i've lost over 200lbs in the last 10 years through diet/exercise and willpower. I cut out alcohol, eat less and walk more, thats it, its basic farkin physics. Get into an activity that doesnt feel like a chore to do, try bike riding or rock climbing, just stop complaining because you can't burn enough calories from lips flappin
 
2013-06-19 04:10:45 PM

brantgoose: Eat less animal fat and modest portions of a variety of meats, dairy, eggs, etc.


I love how people conflate EATING fat with BEING fat.  NOT eating fat and instead letting your body think it needs satisfaction so you drown it in cookies?  All good!
 
2013-06-19 04:13:02 PM
I ate a bag of jelly beans while reading this thread.
 
2013-06-19 04:15:32 PM
If there can be heart disease, obesity can be a disease too. They are both foodborne illnesses. Mostly from people eating the SAD diet. (Standard American Diet)
 
2013-06-19 04:23:30 PM
I don't see how it's a disease, but now that is it can we address the fact that BMI alone shouldn't determine it? And what does this mean for life and medical insurance premiums?

Can I go on long-term disability now? I'd like to collect 60% of my salary for doing nothing, thanks.
 
2013-06-19 04:40:01 PM
I'm sorry, Nancy. I was previously under the impression that you were a fat sack of shiat because you are a worthless, lazy tub of goo, bereft of any kind of personal responsibility for your health and appearance.

img.fark.net

But now I realize that you eating the Baskin-Robbins "Matterhorn" for breakfast is your way of controlling your diabeatus. Well done, and my apologies to you.
 
2013-06-19 04:45:11 PM

Lord Dimwit: tenpoundsofcheese: brantgoose: Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue

Well, that is a new one.

What political issues encourage people to eat unhealthily, eat too much and don't exercise enough?

Obama being elected. Seriously. There are people who tell their kids that because Michelle Obama is for it, they're against it. Sarah Palin published an editorial saying that you shouldn't listen to Michelle Obama's advice about eating healthily - because the "government" shouldn't tell you how to eat. Palin then goes on to say you should eat healthily in the same editorial, which is better because she's no longer in "the government". We have states removing regulation on the caloric and fat content in school meals out of spite. It's stupid.


That really is a stupid argument.  Even for you.
There was no obesity before Obama was elected?
All those obese people are over eating and not exercising because their parents and Palin because they don't like Obama?

But sure, do what everyone else has done and blame someone else for the fact that people eat too much, eat unhealthily and don't exercise enough....but...but...but...Politics.
 
2013-06-19 04:50:09 PM

burning_bridge: Yeah?  And it exists.  It's here.  Do we do something about it?  Or do we ignore it.  Because something isn't working.  SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING.


You mean like eating less, eating healthily and exercising?  That still works.

Half your freakin population doesn't just get fat.


You are right.   It takes at least a couple months of over eating to get really obese.

People are the same as they've always been.  People today aren't more stupid or less willful.  They're just as dumb and ignorant, or brilliant and thoughtful, as they've always been.  People are the same as in the days of ancient Rome, yet they didn't have this problem.  WHAT CHANGED?  And do we DO something about it?

Food is easily available, people don't take personal responsibility ("it's my big bones, it is a disease"), people working behind a desk, 400 channels of TV.
 
2013-06-19 05:02:26 PM

Super_pope: brantgoose: Eat less animal fat and modest portions of a variety of meats, dairy, eggs, etc.

I love how people conflate EATING fat with BEING fat.  NOT eating fat and instead letting your body think it needs satisfaction so you drown it in cookies?  All good!


This. Basically you gotta retrain your body in what it wants. And to remember to eat less of everything.
 
2013-06-19 05:08:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: brantgoose: Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue

Well, that is a new one.

What political issues encourage people to eat unhealthily, eat too much and don't exercise enough?


Welfare
 
2013-06-19 05:24:44 PM
Affluenza is a heck of a disease
 
2013-06-19 05:27:02 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: There are some people's obesity that is caused by disease, usually caused by an underacting Thyroid.
My story: when I was little, I was a twig... I hit puberty and my metabolism crashed on me, but as far as the doctor could see, it was just puberty and not a glandular problem. Through out highschool, I was active with volleyball, badminton, softball, bowling and a few other sports, but I was always overweight.
Of course, University just made me fatter as I wasn't active anymore, sitting on my ass all, stuffing my face with what ever I felt like. Then I was diagnosed with an anti immune disease for my Thyroid.. which means my body is trying to kill it, but it is still functioning at its appropriate levels. One day it will stop, they just don't know when.
So last year, as I was going to hit 210 pounds, my husband and I decided it was time to change our lifestyles. We are both office workers, who spend most of days sitting on our asses, and then come home and sit in front of the TV/Computer and go to bed.
We actively started watching what we were eating, added exercise and a year later, we've lost over 100 pounds together and are still going.

I spent along time saying it was my thyroid's problem, the doctors didn't know what they were talking about, and yadda yadda.. but it was me and my crappy attitude and lifestyle choices.
I'm really happy that when my thryoid does decide to kick the bucket, that I will be 130 pounds instead of 210.


Autoimmune diseases are a biatch. Sadly, most people don't know that diet goes a long way in preventing (or sometimes reversing) them. We've made the same changes, before things got too far out of control.

Best wishes with your improved health.
 
2013-06-19 05:31:24 PM
Smeggy Smurf : Welfare

My family was on welfare when we first came to the states.

We were skinnier then than we have ever been since.

// government cheese is not tasty, you eat it because you have to, not because you want to.

// 29 years later I have a much better job (well, my folks have a much better job, and I actually have a job seeing as how I was 7 back then). And well, shiat man, I have about four or five different types of cheeses in my fridge now.

But somehow, I'm still not a giant sack, because I actually care somewhat about my health and appearance and make an effort to balance that out. I get to a point where I've been on a project for a few weeks and I go, hmm, I'm getting a little chubbier, then poof, I'm out for a 5-15 mile hike.

So for these really huge people, I guess they're just missing that critical piece that makes them care.
 
2013-06-19 05:33:14 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Likewise, if I spend a LOT of time lifting weight and following a strict diet, I should build a lot of muscle. If I have too much muscle, because I train 20 hours per week and eat like horse - is that a disease too?


No, that's dedication, son!
 
2013-06-19 05:36:12 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 05:38:34 PM

DigitalCoffee: [img.fark.net image 600x375]


omg.  what a terrible picture.
it ain't fat, it is a built-in stand.
 
2013-06-19 05:41:53 PM
There are a lot of downsides to being obese, whether obese people want to admit to it or not.  If you want to live your life not being able to enjoy it to its fullest, be my guest.  But when the elevators are temporarily out of order and you can't walk up five flights of stairs because of health issues directly related to your obesity (yes, I have experienced this first hand with a co-worker) then I don't want to hear any complaining.
 
2013-06-19 05:42:02 PM

WTF Indeed: So now my tax dollars get to go to some fat ass who breathes heavy standing still.


Gotta love a culture that stops judging.

Where were all of these fat people in 1970?
 
2013-06-19 05:44:57 PM
Yay, I still have serious health problems and social shame and hate, but now it's a disease too!

Wait, what's the benefit here? Maybe my health care might help out now?
 
2013-06-19 05:47:35 PM

Pincy: There are a lot of downsides to being obese, whether obese people want to admit to it or not.  If you want to live your life not being able to enjoy it to its fullest, be my guest.  But when the elevators are temporarily out of order and you can't walk up five flights of stairs because of health issues directly related to your obesity (yes, I have experienced this first hand with a co-worker) then I don't want to hear any complaining.


I had a professor that had this issue with the stairs.  Twice during the semester a guy in class put up an "out of order" sign on the elevator in the building.  Low and behold, class was canceled those days.
 
2013-06-19 05:48:25 PM

Girl Pants: Yay, I still have serious health problems and social shame and hate, but now it's a disease too!

Wait, what's the benefit here? Maybe my health care might help out now?


Actually, this is why I'm against socialized medicine efforts as they stand right now... because we treat stuff that is not a disease nor a disorder with any meaningful pathology. Treatment costs money. It'd be different if we could still judge people for contributing to their own health problems, but that's no longer acceptable.

People eat more and work out less. That is the long and the short of the obesity epidemic. We sit at computers now and chow down on fast food.
 
2013-06-19 05:50:14 PM
Why does everyone think fat people eat nothing but fast food?  I don't think I fall into the obese category yet but I definitely need to lose a good deal of weight and I rarely if ever eat fast food.

If you ask me the number one issue with obesity is television. I'm not talking about sitting on the couch and not exercising, though that is part of it, it's the 20 minutes of food advertising/imagery you see for every every hour of TV you watch. You can't watch TV without being bombarded with ads for fast food, chips, cookies, even grocery store ads. If it's not the ads, the shows themselves have scenes with people eating. So you're bored, tired after a long day and decide to watch TV for a couple hours, the next thing you know you're in the kitchen looking for something when you're not even hungry.

If you want to lose weight, give up TV, even if you fill that time with something else where you sit on your ass like video games you will be better off in the long run.
 
2013-06-19 05:53:55 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: burning_bridge: Yeah?  And it exists.  It's here.  Do we do something about it?  Or do we ignore it.  Because something isn't working.  SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING.  Half your freakin population doesn't just get fat.  People are the same as they've always been.  People today aren't more stupid or less willful.  They're just as dumb and ignorant, or brilliant and thoughtful, as they've always been.  People are the same as in the days of ancient Rome, yet they didn't have this problem.  WHAT CHANGED?  And do we DO something about it?

Yes - something did change.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/30/us-daily-calorie-intake-up-30-in -3 0-years-cut-on-snacks-and-king-size-portion
US daily calorie intake up 30% in 30 years: cut on snacks and king size portion

There is no huge mystery or government conspiracy.  We understand what's going on.  We're eating more.  Food is cheap, abundant, and we *like* unhealthy food.  Nobody forced me to super-size my #3 meal at McDonald's - I WENT to McDonald's because I wanted greasy, cheap, abundant food.


I'd also add in the fact that entertainment has changed drastically in the last 30 years also. Back when I was a youngin there really wasn't much to do at home. You had TV sure, but it only had a few channels (nothing like today) and other than that home was usually a pretty boring place. To be entertained I had to leave the house, bike/walk whatever to my friends house. Go to a pool, bowling alley, arcade, whatever and hang out. Doing something fun usually required physical activity on my part. Now my entertainment almost completely comes from my computer. I can be online playing a game with friends instantly (with voice chat without tying up any phone lines). I can watch a tv shows and listen to radio stations from around the world. I can even discuss the news as it happens (well sometimes) with a bunch of people instantly.
 
2013-06-19 05:54:51 PM
If its a disease, then we can prescribe that they stop watching TV, Stop eating shiat, and start moving their bodies.

If they don't we can take them into custody for their own care and force them to exercise.

/sounds fun.
 
2013-06-19 06:10:47 PM

ReapTheChaos: If you want to lose weight, give up TV, even if you fill that time with something else where you sit on your ass like video games you will be better off in the long run.


Biggest factor is eating under your caloric maintenance. Get ready for some health science number crunching, hope you remember high school algebra!

Figure out your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) by using one of these two formulas. This is the amount of calories you need to consume to maintain your body if you were comatose.

The Mifflin - St Jeor formula is fairly accurate but it still doesn't take into consideration the differences as a consequence of high BF%. Thus, once again, it OVERESTIMATES NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE OVERWEIGHT.
MEN: BMR = [9.99 x weight (kg)] + [6.25 x height (cm)] - [4.92 x age (years)] + 5
WOMEN: BMR = [9.99 x weight (kg)] + [6.25 x height (cm)] - [4.92 x age (years)] -161

Even more accurate if you know your body fat % is the Katch-Mcardle formula.
BMR = 370 + (21.6 x LBM) Where LBM = [total weight (kg) x (100 - bodyfat %)]/100

Multiply the result of your BMR by how active you are through out the day.

1.2 = Sedentary (Desk job, and Little Formal Exercise)
1.3-1.4 = Lightly Active (Light daily activity AND light exercise 1-3 days a week)
1.5-1.6 = Moderately Active (Moderately daily Activity & Moderate exercise 3-5 days a week)
1.7-1.8 = Very Active (Physically demanding lifestyle & Hard exercise 6-7 days a week)
1.9-2.2 = Extremely Active (Athlete in ENDURANCE training or VERY HARD physical job)

This is a rough estimate of your caloric needs per day.

- To ADD weight: ADD 10-20% calories to the total above
- To LOSE weight: SUBTRACT 10-20% calories from the total above

Recalculate your results every 2 weeks.

It works. Realistically you'll lose a pound a week, sometimes more from the get go.

I cut from 210 to 186 after doing a winter bulk. No cardio, lifting 4 days a week, 60 minute sessions. Cutting sugary drinks helps too - those are empty calories. Is it a pain in the ass calculating, weighing and keeping track of all that stuff? Yeah, but it works. It matters how bad a person wants to get to where they want to be.
 
2013-06-19 06:16:45 PM
I guess a way of helping weight loss is to talk about working for it openly in an honest way. For me, to my fellow FARK strangers.

I have been a mildly stocky guy that lifts weights, gym in 26 minutes, etc. Generally kept in good shape, looked good.

However, over the last 4-5 years, a job change and age have been leading to weight creep; I have gained like 35-40ish lbs over the course of those years. In addition to feeling like a needless fatass at times I have noticed this extra weight putting undue strain on my back and joints. Minimal, but noticeable nonetheless.

No longer.

I am back to a daily workout like I used to have and I love it. However, since I'm a bit older I am doing a regular workout in the morning and a nice evening job (about 30-40 minutes, interval style). I mix it up on off days just to keep in interesting; in stead of weights and cardio, I do a swim or something.

I cut back on the food a smidge, and am a bit more careful about what I put in my gullet. You don't have to go to 1 chicken breast and a cup of plain rice with broccoli, but you need to be a bit more sensible if you want to lose the weight. I however have accepted the fact that it might take a smidge longer for the weight to leave me as I like a weekend martini or 3 and the OCCASIONAL serving of "bar food".

Oh, one last thing; I uninstalled an MMO that I played. I didn't play it all the time, but I played it often enough that time could occasionally get away from me. Easy to make bad eating/excecise decisions when you're trying to get "leet loot"

But I digress.

In any case, I have a ways to go, but I'll get there. I feel much better and am seeing results already, albeit minor. I also have clothes I want to not just "fit" into, but to "wear", if you catch my drift.

In the end, Moderate. Have fun. be patient. It will take time and you don't lose weight overnight, but you will over time if you stay focused. Treat it like the Stock market and you will win in the long run.


/plus being skinnier makes your cock look longer.
 
2013-06-19 06:27:16 PM
The thing I've noticed especially w/ my larger than average coworkers is that everyone underestimates the calories they eat every single day. This one lady I work with works out religiously every week but never loses anything and for the life of her can't figure out why. Well when you I see you drink 4 sodas a day, and you start the day off with a 400 calorie iced coffee drink from McDonalds, you've already drank your way 960 calories before even eating anything!
 
2013-06-19 06:30:20 PM
Or someone else will go get a salad for lunch in an attempt to eat something light then they drown the salad w/ ranch salad dressing, croutons and bacon bits. People take something that is healthy in itself and then drown it in fattening shiat.
 
2013-06-19 06:42:10 PM
Obesity is a symptom, not a disease.  This is like calling a stuffy nose a disease...

Obestiy might be a condition - ya know, a physical state of being, like an injury, but a disease?  If you have cancer, can you do anything to not have cancer?  No. It is a disease. If you are fat, are there things you could do to stop being fat?  Yes.  It is not a disease.

/also conservation of matter would like to have a word with people who think mass comes from nothing.
 
2013-06-19 07:31:11 PM
i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-06-19 08:36:24 PM

lordargent: biatch, please - you must have a mental disease
Assume the position and get back down on your knees ... doing squats.


Yeah, I'll do squats, while I'm power plunging your love hole...does that make me mental, or gay?
 
2013-06-19 11:28:27 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I will see your theory and raise you an axiom that American obesity is caused or exacerbated by the now universal presence of air conditioning. We used to burn enormous amounts of energy from our bodies trying to keep cool. We now burn enormous amounts of coal energy trying to keep cool.


Thailand disproves this. Obesity is not a problem here, and AC is pretty much required and therefore ubiquitous. Thai people depend on air conditioning so much that I have considered the hypothesis that Thailand was actually uninhabited before the invention of the air conditioner, at which point it was colonized by Eskimos. Everything about "Thai Culture and History" was made up by marketing departments to attract tourists.

/seriously, I'm from the States originally and have lived most of my life in temperate zones with 4 seasons, and I am acclimated to the heat here better than most Thai people
 
2013-06-20 12:42:37 AM
It really isn't fair though. I've always had it easy when it comes to weight. Though I've had just enough of a pooch to cover my stomach muscles since I was in high school (if I work out my abs a lot, I really only ever get a four pack at best), I've never been one to gain weight. And back in my twenties I used to eat a lot. Now in my late forties, it's getting easier to gain fat, but I'm also more sedentary than I've ever been. Pushing back on hanging out in front of the computer to go for a walk instead can take some self discipline. But I just got back from a seventeen mile long bicycle ride. And it was only seventeen miles because I'm just now getting back in riding shape this year. If you want to eat a lot, get into hard core cycling. Your average Tour De France rider eats 10,000 calories a day, and still loses weight during the tour. Go do a century ride, and you've earned a nice fattening meal.
 
2013-06-20 12:51:00 AM
I am a fatty, but far less I was. I've gone from 394 lbs on New Year's Day this year to 311 lbs as of this morning. No, I haven't had surgery. I have to be extremely mindful about the food I eat in order to lose weight. What really helped though was encountering stories of people who have achieved weight loss on a similar level to what I hope to achieve. I have a new relationship with food. I pack my own lunches for work and I'm a much better cook than I used to be.

There's all sorts of issues tied up with obesity - impulse control, the ability to enjoy delayed gratification, weighing up convenience against quality. I'm not going so far as to blame society for my weight problem. There's a reason why people like me are at the far end of the bell curve, but access to calorie dense foods is greater now than ever, as is the marketing for such products.
 
2013-06-20 08:50:04 AM
Alcoholism is classified as a disease, even though you  choose to have the first drink that leads to the second that leads to the millionth.   Being sad (depression) is classified as a disease.  No reason why obesity shouldn't receive the same consideration.
 
2013-06-20 11:45:34 AM

DigitalCoffee: [img.fark.net image 600x375]


I just OMG-OLed
 
2013-06-20 09:16:00 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: Being sad (depression) is classified as a disease.


Being sad is not depression.

Depression is "the rent needs to be paid today, I've got the money, but fark it. I can't move today. Let them them evict me. Then I can start a fight and get shot by the cops and end my miserable existence."

Now imagine having thoughts like that every hour of every day for your entire life.

That's depression.

Sad and fat don't even come close.
 
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