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(USA Today)   Fat people rejoice as obesity is now classified as a disease. A delicious fried disease covered with cheese and gravy   (m.usatoday.com) divider line 108
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2013-06-19 12:48:58 PM  
hear that, glioblastoma and als patients! you too can just put down the fork!
 
2013-06-19 12:54:22 PM  
Links to distorted dinkyphone sites?
 
2013-06-19 12:56:12 PM  
biatch, please - you must have a mental disease
Assume the position and get back down on your knees ... doing squats.
 
2013-06-19 12:56:38 PM  
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It's a disease, dagnabbit! And this here is mah prescription!
 
2013-06-19 12:56:41 PM  
finally, fat people can get the treatment they need from the expensive clinic that tells you to
"eat less, eat better, exercise more".
 
2013-06-19 12:57:03 PM  
I'm curious as to the relationship between the obesity disease and the number of trips to the McDonald's drive-thru.
 
2013-06-19 12:57:41 PM  
Overeating is contagious. Maybe the "afflicted" should be quarantined in some sort of buffet sanitarium.
 
2013-06-19 12:58:39 PM  
I'm concerned because obesity is so easy to catch. I mean have you ever seen a fat person who could run fast?
 
2013-06-19 01:01:56 PM  
These fatties are addicts.
 
2013-06-19 01:03:07 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:03:09 PM  
I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.
 
2013-06-19 01:04:11 PM  
From the Onion:
Obesity linked to the use of the words "Don't skimp on the..."
 
2013-06-19 01:06:19 PM  
As a fat person myself, this is ridiculous. Obesity is not a disease and it does not deserve to be treated as such. It is, at most, a mental problem. Unlike real diseases, such as malaria and tuberculosis, obesity can be overcome with tenacity and self-control. Eat less, move more.

/excusing myself to go be fat somewhere else
 
2013-06-19 01:07:46 PM  
Gangrenes a disease. No cure except amputation.
 
2013-06-19 01:09:42 PM  

GiantRex: As a fat person myself, this is ridiculous. Obesity is not a disease and it does not deserve to be treated as such. It is, at most, a mental problem. Unlike real diseases, such as malaria and tuberculosis, obesity can be overcome with tenacity and self-control. Eat less, move more.

/excusing myself to go be fat somewhere else


Just because a disease is easily preventable and easily treatable does not mean it isn't a disease.

Your fat ass is diseased.
 
2013-06-19 01:11:04 PM  
Yeah, well, if the American Diabetes Association drops the numbers on normal, pre-diabetic and diabetic glucose levels again, we're all going to be on Metformin and stabbing our fingers 4 times daily.

Think of the Big Pharma profits. All those meds, strips, pokey things, meters, tests...

/I eat a lot of sugar...I'm still high from my bowl of Chocolate Frosted Fruit Loops with Fortunate Chunks of Hydrogenated Pig Fat
/Lose weight yesterday. Eat right yesterday. Exercise regularly yesterday.
/apparently nearly 3/4 of disease in America has to do with terrible diet
/Big Food gets you sick, Big Pharma keeps you alive. Tell them both to fark off
 
2013-06-19 01:12:05 PM  
So now my tax dollars get to go to some fat ass who breathes heavy standing still.
 
2013-06-19 01:13:05 PM  
I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


This is how I see it. Plenty of diseases are directly related to behaviors including a good many cancers.
 
2013-06-19 01:14:50 PM  
I've read a lot on the subject and I am of two minds. On the one hand, the obesity is largely a lifestyle/social issue. We are too fat because of all the mechanisms that pump extra calories into us, ranging from government subsidies and programmes to promote excess production, excess consumption, and low prices for certain commodities (notably corn, soybeans, meat, etc.), while individual obesity is down to evolutionary traps (such as our natural cravings for salt, fat, oils, sugars, etc.) and genetic or congenital factors.

Obesity is one of those phenomenon that is naturally multi-disciplinary: it is at once genetic, epigenetic, congenital, personal, familial, social and political.

How you eat, what you eat, when you eat, why you eat, and how much you eat are all influenced by a myriad of factors. Causation is seldom simple in the real world. Rather than one cause, one effect, a large number of "causes" combine to produce a large number of "effects", which interplay with each other until naming a culprit becomes futile if not impossible.

Yes, we eat too much. But we need to work at all levels, from the global to the personal, to avoid this.

We are not well-designed. Our environments are not well-designed. Our science, although helpful, is not always well-designed. Many studies are just too biased or too small to be useful. We are flooded with misinformation because scientists, university and government PR departments, and journalists don't do their jobs very well. And we don't do our jobs as consumers and readers very well either.

Obesity is not a disease (except when it is). It is more of a syndrome or a political issue that needs to be addressed at many levels of organization, by many institutions, with many ideas and varied values.

It is really complex, perhaps almost chaotic, because small things count in large amounts.
 
2013-06-19 01:16:26 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...


No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.
 
2013-06-19 01:17:28 PM  
Forks Over Knives
Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead

I'm not recommending anything other than watching those two documentaries...
 
2013-06-19 01:17:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.



This is an obvious thing to anyone without some sort of brain retardation disease.  Hyper obesity (regular obesity isn't even that extreme technically) is a mental/physical addiction just like any other. Calling it a disease doesn't mean people aren't responsible for their actions, just like Alcoholics.

What I do really hate though is the myth that some people have slow metabolisms that make them fat.  Yes, you can have a thyroid issue which can make you gain weight, yes you may have a less active body/brain, but at the end of the day you can not break the laws of thermodynamics. I don't care how screwed up your metabolism is, if you eat fewer calories than you burn you will lose weight.  We all have different levels of willpower and different biological hunger drives but anyone can do it if you help them out mentally.
 
2013-06-19 01:18:26 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


I couldn't disagree more.

Sports injuries are generally sustained because someone else (competitor) gave them to you. Whether it be direct (contact) or indirect (a sport like tennis), there was a force that caused you to get injured. It isn't like "play sports = injury" is 100% guaranteed or predictable.

I guess you could argue that the food acted as a competitor and coerced the obese into eating it very much in the same way a competing athlete will put you in positions to injure yourself but that is a streeeeeeetttttttcccccchhhhh I am not willing to take.
 
2013-06-19 01:19:24 PM  
I started to stand up and rejoice but got tired and out of breath.  Had to sit down.

Think I'm gonna go take a nap.
 
2013-06-19 01:19:44 PM  
I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!
 
2013-06-19 01:20:28 PM  
By the way, if you try and use the "follow the money" logic on this one ... man, it points in a whole lot of directions.
 
2013-06-19 01:21:11 PM  
You can not save the world by shopping.

I don't know if I came up with that maxim or got it from somebody else, perhaps a green guru or journalist. But it is true. Shopping is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. Yes, you can learn to shop better. You can learn the tricks and deceits of commerce and how to avoid them. You can stay out of the middle aisles and shop only in the aisles where the whole food (some of it not too whole or unadulterated nowadays) is.

But our consumer society gives us too many choices, and too many of them are bad choices from an economic, ecological or nutritional point of view.

The consumer, however, can not reasonably be expected to learn everything she needs to know, or retain this information and update it continuously to reflect the rapidly changing facts on portion sizes, package sizes, package contents, nutrition, health, etc.

Thus I say, you can not save the world by shopping. Bootstrappy self-reliance and "common sense" are over-whelmed by marketing, advertising, lies, deceit, political propaganda, misunderstanding and the natural biases of the human mind. You can try to defend yourself, "shop defensively" as you "drive defensively", but in the end, the responsability for accountability and transparency falls on governments, corporations and other institutions, as well as on households and indviduals.
 
2013-06-19 01:25:38 PM  

brantgoose: You can not save the world by shopping.

I don't know if I came up with that maxim or got it from somebody else, perhaps a green guru or journalist. But it is true. Shopping is more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. Yes, you can learn to shop better. You can learn the tricks and deceits of commerce and how to avoid them. You can stay out of the middle aisles and shop only in the aisles where the whole food (some of it not too whole or unadulterated nowadays) is.

But our consumer society gives us too many choices, and too many of them are bad choices from an economic, ecological or nutritional point of view.

The consumer, however, can not reasonably be expected to learn everything she needs to know, or retain this information and update it continuously to reflect the rapidly changing facts on portion sizes, package sizes, package contents, nutrition, health, etc.

Thus I say, you can not save the world by shopping. Bootstrappy self-reliance and "common sense" are over-whelmed by marketing, advertising, lies, deceit, political propaganda, misunderstanding and the natural biases of the human mind. You can try to defend yourself, "shop defensively" as you "drive defensively", but in the end, the responsability for accountability and transparency falls on governments, corporations and other institutions, as well as on households and indviduals.


I will see your theory and raise you an axiom that American obesity is caused or exacerbated by the now universal presence of air conditioning. We used to burn enormous amounts of energy from our bodies trying to keep cool. We now burn enormous amounts of coal energy trying to keep cool.

When we decided to regulate our body temperature with external energy, we got fat. Fat fat fatty fat fat.
 
2013-06-19 01:26:50 PM  

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


Yeah before now western civilization was all about personal responsibility.....
 
2013-06-19 01:28:29 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:31:14 PM  

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


There are lots of things we call diseases that are self-inflicted. This doesn't have anything to do with blame or lake of blame
 
2013-06-19 01:32:38 PM  
A GIS for "you can not save the world by shopping" shows one hit--my Fark post. Without the quotation marks, it shows 301,000,000 hits. There are a lot of webpages telling you that you can save the world by shopping and a lot denying this. They are probably about equally divided between "greens" and "green skeptics", so that you are getting conflicting advice from both sides, pro and contra.

Sorting through immense amounts of misinformation, raw data, BS headlines attached to sensible articles, etc., I can tell you this:

Sleep well.

Drink plenty of clean safe water.

Drink black tea and low-cal coffee in reasonable amounts.

A touch of what you fancy does the soul good. But don't delude yourself: it's just a touch sometimes.

Eat more fresh fruit, carefully washed.

Take it easy on the add-ons.

Shop carefully, with a shopping list to help you plan and avoid temptation.

Eat thoughtfully and chew carefully. Use smaller plates and other tricks if you find they help.

Don't over stock. It leads both to waste and to over-consumption.

Don't understock. It leads to unnecessary shopping trips, eating out, eating junk food and other forms of waste and excess.

Eat less animal fat and modest portions of a variety of meats, dairy, eggs, etc.

If you go Vegan or Vegetarian, you will have to work at it and know your stuff because it is harder to get all the essential amino acids, vitamins and minerals on a restricted rather than omnivor diet.

Don't over do the variety. It is fun, it is a pleasure, but you will eat more also. A little monotony and blandness can do you good. To quote Einstein, "Make things as simple as possible, but no simpler."

Get up and move. Even moderate walking, if done frequently and for reasonable lengths of time, can work wonders in your health. You should not sit for hours at a time. Sitting is unnatural. Walking, running and standing, or lying down to sleep are natural. Sitting is not.

Thimk. It's still as true today as it was when it was invented by a marketing man in the 1950s.
 
2013-06-19 01:35:28 PM  
Obesity is a disease in the same sense that gambling addiction is a disease. Only it's food not money but the problem is the compulsion to over indulge. It's not really as simple as saying don't do it. If it was then there would be no fat people There are underlying issues that need to be addressed

Having said that I don't think either should be considered a disease. If anything it should fall under psychological disorders.
 
2013-06-19 01:40:46 PM  
Here's a slogan that is not true, but worth thinking about:

Obesity is not a disease, it is a mental illness.

You catch it from your co-workers, bosses, friends, family and close personal enemies. You can even catch it from the Gubbermint or by watching Fox News, as it can be transmitted electronically. It's like that horror movie where the disease is transmitted over the air. I forget what it is called.

Aha! Google to the rescue: Pontypool, a low budget Canadian horror movie in which a verbally transmitted virus leads to chaos and death, as memes so often do.
 
2013-06-19 01:42:57 PM  

lecavalier: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.

I couldn't disagree more.

Sports injuries are generally sustained because someone else (competitor) gave them to you. Whether it be direct (contact) or indirect (a sport like tennis), there was a force that caused you to get injured. It isn't like "play sports = injury" is 100% guaranteed or predictable.

I guess you could argue that the food acted as a competitor and coerced the obese into eating it very much in the same way a competing athlete will put you in positions to injure yourself but that is a streeeeeeetttttttcccccchhhhh I am not willing to take.


The sports analogy was not the best, I'll admit, but I stand by the alcohol-related cirrhosis one. Drinking alcohol in moderation is generally recognized as being good for you, but too much leads to disease. Eating food is generally recognized as being good for you, too, but too much leads to disease.

The sports analogy wasn't trying to say that playing sports automatically means injury. I was trying to say that if, for example, you go diving and fail to handle yourself appropriately and get the bends, you still have the bends whether it was your fault or not. People who are obese have all sorts of problems related to a surfeit of body fat - regardless of how the fat got there, it's a problem that needs to be treated. Classifying it as a disease doesn't remove responsibility from the person.

/ not obese
// not even overweight
 
2013-06-19 01:47:19 PM  
Good luck ever finding a handicapped parking space in front of a McDonald's now.
 
2013-06-19 01:48:03 PM  
I always knew that obese people are diseased. Just take a whiff of them. Pee-YOOOO!
 
2013-06-19 01:56:25 PM  
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Well: so much for gluttony being a sin. By the way, let's meet some of the people that will be featured on tonight's news when this story airs...

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/"We need to see your faces, so we can sympathize." -- no TV news producer doing an obesity story, ever.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:14 PM  
The trend among the objectors seems to be that a "disease" is something that by definition has no connection to personal responsibility. But there are many diseases that are directly related to the behavior of the person, and the classification of "disease" has nothing to do with whether or not the person with that disease could have done something to prevent it.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:45 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

No, that is a stupid argument.
Cirrhosis is a disease.
Fat is not a disease.  Everyone has fat, some people just have too much.


Everyone has blood pressure, some people just have too much blood pressure. Doesn't matter that blood pressure, just like obesity, can also often be controlled by eating right and exercising more - you still have high blood pressure whether it's your fault or not and the problems it causes should still be treated. The recommended treatment for obesity - just like it is for many cases of high blood pressure - is to eat right and exercise, but that doesn't mean its effects shouldn't be managed while you're getting your weight or blood pressure down to the target.
 
2013-06-19 01:59:33 PM  
Yet another new "disease" largely treatable with a 10cc dose of "Man the fark up, Nancy."
 
2013-06-19 02:01:48 PM  
I wonder what percentage of BMI-obese people are actually just really musclebound.

/the BMI is flawed
//we're still a fat, sick and nearly dead nation
 
2013-06-19 02:05:46 PM  
www.quotehd.com

/now there's two
 
2013-06-19 02:08:08 PM  
Subby, I don't think the fat acceptance people are going to rejoice.

Calling it a disease means that can be treated which in turn means that you don't have to accept if someone is fat.
 
2013-06-19 02:10:05 PM  

star_topology: I wonder what percentage of BMI-obese people are actually just really musclebound.

/the BMI is flawed
//we're still a fat, sick and nearly dead nation


There are far more people who have a normal BMI but a far too-high percentage of body fat (the true measure of obesity) than there are people who have a high BMI due to being well-muscled. BMI is flawed, but primarily in that in under-reports obesity, at least in the United States.
 
2013-06-19 02:15:12 PM  

WTF Indeed: I guess this means America is no longer the country of personal responsibility.  You want to eat like a pig? It's not your fault! You have a disease!


Getting fat by overeating isn't a disease, being fat because of overeating is. In other words, the consequence has been classified as a disease, not the cause.
 
2013-06-19 02:23:29 PM  
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2013-06-19 02:31:27 PM  
There are some people's obesity that is caused by disease, usually caused by an underacting Thyroid.
My story: when I was little, I was a twig... I hit puberty and my metabolism crashed on me, but as far as the doctor could see, it was just puberty and not a glandular problem. Through out highschool, I was active with volleyball, badminton, softball, bowling and a few other sports, but I was always overweight.
Of course, University just made me fatter as I wasn't active anymore, sitting on my ass all, stuffing my face with what ever I felt like. Then I was diagnosed with an anti immune disease for my Thyroid.. which means my body is trying to kill it, but it is still functioning at its appropriate levels. One day it will stop, they just don't know when.
So last year, as I was going to hit 210 pounds, my husband and I decided it was time to change our lifestyles. We are both office workers, who spend most of days sitting on our asses, and then come home and sit in front of the TV/Computer and go to bed.
We actively started watching what we were eating, added exercise and a year later, we've lost over 100 pounds together and are still going.

I spent along time saying it was my thyroid's problem, the doctors didn't know what they were talking about, and yadda yadda.. but it was me and my crappy attitude and lifestyle choices.
I'm really happy that when my thryoid does decide to kick the bucket, that I will be 130 pounds instead of 210.
 
2013-06-19 02:34:14 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I suppose classifying it as a disease is no different than classifying alcohol-related cirrhosis as a disease - yes, it is caused by behavior and preventable by behavior modification, but once you've got it, it *is* a disease...

It's like saying sports-related injuries aren't real injuries because you did it to yourself. The reasons behind how or why you got a disease are irrelevant once you've got it.


Came here to say this.  You, sir, are TECHNICALLY CORRECT.  And, as we all know....
 
2013-06-19 02:36:34 PM  
I fully expect to be obese when I get older. I eat crazy amounts of food and do almost no exercise at all. I just don't care enough about myself to do anything about it, really.

/sorry for the increased premiums
 
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