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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Counter protester at Mayors Against Illegal Guns rally speaks his peace, turns to leave, and is confronted by police. He explains he's done talking and is leaving. Police explain STOP RESISTING STOP RESISTING ZAPPPPP TIKTIIKKATIKKATIKKA   (wmur.com) divider line 43
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2013-06-19 09:41:51 AM  
7 votes:
1) He's a dick for interrupting like that.
2) That's some pretty weak "physical contact" that he initiated there.
2013-06-19 09:04:58 AM  
7 votes:
Why is this even news? Let alone one lasting as long as it did. The guy was an asshole. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but there's a way to do it and a way to be an asshole.

Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.
2013-06-19 10:03:27 AM  
6 votes:
Cops are pussies.
2013-06-19 09:24:55 AM  
6 votes:
Once again, a headline that demonstrates the fine line between "using creative snark to poke fun at the article" and "being a farking idiot who can't read."
2013-06-19 10:06:16 AM  
5 votes:
You have freedom of speech, unless we don't like what you have to say, subjects...
2013-06-19 09:18:34 AM  
5 votes:
Also, it's "speaks his piece."
2013-06-19 08:56:20 AM  
5 votes:
Which is not remotely what the article said, of course.
2013-06-19 10:44:25 AM  
3 votes:
I will bite. What did he do that was arrest worthy.  I used to be a police officer and I can tell you that interrupting a speaker at a rally isn't arrest worthy.  The police shouldn't have even touched him since he was walking away.  Also the officer who's arm he touched should no have been obstructing him and keeping him from walking away.  The police escalated this situation.
We tend to forget we have rights.  The police can't just detain you for any reason they see fit.  Most police academies aren't even real police academies any more.   Now they are run by the local community college and last 3 maybe 4 months.  That isn't much education or training given the responsibilities that duty of office carries.  Even if the police arrived to investigate the complaint, unless there was something clearly evident that this man had done something serious,  he should have been free to leave.  You can yell during a presidential address and as long as you are not being profane or vulgar it isn't necessarily a crime.  It certainly does not meet the standard of disorderly conduct in most states.
2013-06-19 10:24:58 AM  
3 votes:
The guy was being a total dick to someone who had lost a child, but the cops shouldn't have tased him. If you can't take down a guy slightly larger than you all  by yourself, without using a potentially deadly weapon (and tasers do kill people) you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.

That said, I wish these people who are so adamant about gun rights would apply that passion equally to other important social issues.
2013-06-19 10:22:52 AM  
3 votes:
Free Stater. I'd buy those cops a beer if I could.

being an asshole should have consequences.
2013-06-19 10:18:01 AM  
3 votes:
guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him

then the political tool starts talking about free speech
awesome
2013-06-19 10:17:41 AM  
3 votes:
"Live Free or Die", my ass. Along with Connecticut, the former "Constitution State."
2013-06-19 10:13:20 AM  
3 votes:
Punching a cop in the face = assault
Pushing a cop away from you hard enough he has to take a step back = assault.
Touching a cop's arm = not assault

Seriously? He just touched the cop. He wasn't threatning him. I've seen cops damn near lose their shiat when one is just standing around, and a guy walks up to ask him a general question and taps him on the shoulder 'Excuse me sir..." and the cop acts like the guy stuck his penis in his pocket. "DON'T TOUCH ME SIR! YOU GOT THAT? DO NOT TOUCH ME AGAIN OR I WILL ARREST YOU!" Arrest for what? Felonious shoulder touching?

Read about a case where someone was getting mouthy with a cop (not the smart thing, I agree) and the cop pushed him away very forcefully. I guy tripped and in trying to break his fall, he reached out to grab anything. He got the cop's vest, and in doing so, broke his name badge. They charged him with destruction of government property.
2013-06-19 10:13:18 AM  
3 votes:
Well, the 4th amendment is dead and the 2nd under constant assault.  We may as well put that pesky 1st to ground while we're at it.
2013-06-19 01:13:41 PM  
2 votes:

MonoChango: jayphat: Honest to god, and this is not a troll, can someone tell me WTF an "expanded background check" is? I have heard nothing about this except that it won't include mental health records. Sooooo, what the hell makes this any different than what we have now?

From what I understand right now they just ask you if you are going to do anything naughty. Then check to see if you have any outstanding warrants or have ever been convicted of a felony.   But the expanded check is two fold.
- First, they want to check to see if you are crazy.  I would assume this would mean the gov't can read your medical records to see if you have been to a therapist or take mood altering drugs.
- Second, as mentioned above they want to stop private transfer of guns between normal people.  This would then mean that you would have to find an FFL dealer, pay him $20 or so and he would then do the federal paper work, including filing the above linked form.   If the gun nuts are to be believed, this would also include temporary ownership like training your kid with your 22 rifle, or borrowing your friends pistol for 5 minutes to see if you like that model.


United States v Olofson
He loaned his AR-15 to a friend who, while firing it at a range, caused it to malfunction and fire multiple rounds with a single trigger pull before jamming. He was convicted of transferring an unregistered machine gun.
Tell me again how we're nuts to worry about temporary ownership and loaning/borrowing?
2013-06-19 12:37:03 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: So you think the first gives you the right to interupt any legally permitted gathering by standing next to the speaker, waving your hands betweent hem and their speech and talking over them?


Well, actually, yes you do.  That's why you hire event security to keep idiots like this away from the microphone, or lease out the property so that you can legally deny them entry.  Other than that, no one person has more of a right to speak, at any volume not otherwise restricted by noise ordinances, than any other person.  So yes, if you want to hold your little rally and didn't have enough foresight to block entry to counter protestors, I can get in your face with a bullhorn and have at it.
2013-06-19 11:03:29 AM  
2 votes:
Funny thing about this is if it had been a pro gun rally and the fellow was anti-gun this place would be a farking mad house with people calling for the cops to be fired, blaming republicans for every evil on the planet etc etc.Perspective is a biatch folks.
2013-06-19 10:28:55 AM  
2 votes:

bullsballs: You have freedom of speech, unless we don't like what you have to say, subjects...


Hecklers should never speak the words "Freedom of Speech."   Shouting over someone is effectively denying their freedom of speech.  Tacky.
2013-06-19 10:22:25 AM  
2 votes:
Tip for life: If the police are standing in your way, yelling at you, doing just about anything you find annoying the solution is never to touch them in any way. It gives them an excuse to arrest you and will pretty much ruin your day.
2013-06-19 10:08:20 AM  
2 votes:
img.fark.net

heh heh heh.. all of a sudden i thought a mongoose flag could be a counter to the don't tread on me flag
2013-06-19 10:04:36 AM  
2 votes:
And now, if convicted of a felony, he won't be able to legally own a gun!
You cunning plan, sir, was not thought through.
2013-06-19 10:02:02 AM  
2 votes:
he did "initiate physical contact," but that's quite a stretch to the escalation of force.  He was receiving a warning from one cop while the other was going for an arm lock? Also, I love the look on the guy's face when he has 3 cops giving him a hug and working against each other to take him down.
2013-06-19 09:14:18 AM  
2 votes:
After numerous interjections, Musso decided to walk away, but Concord police had been called. When officers began talking to him, Musso initiated physical contact with police, Sexton said.

Yup, headline really got the facts straight...
2013-06-19 04:27:08 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: dittybopper: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: dittybopper: Maybe the guy was just pissed because Mayor Bloomberg's organization thinks Tamerlan Tsarnaev is a victim of gun violence:

No, he wanted to know what gun the speaker's daughter was shot with.

/was tamerlan mentioned as a victim or perpetrator?

Ah.

Alex Katz, the deputy communications director for Mayors Against Illegal Guns and Bloomberg's office, apologized for the inclusion.

"Mayors Against Illegal Guns relied on the public list compiled by Slate.com entitled 'How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?', and his name was on the list," Katz said in an email. "He was absolutely not a victim, his name should have been deleted before the list was provided to a family member for reading and his name should never have been read. It was a mistake, it should not have happened and we sincerely apologize."

But if they aren't checking that list, to see who actually was killed by the police, or who was killed in the act of committing a felony, or killed in righteous self-defense shootings, then why should we believe them?

I mean, seriously, the reader didn't catch that before saying it?

For all I know, "Tamerlan Tsarnaev" is as common as "John Smith."

Here's a list you'll like better.
It's a little out of date, though.


There are some issues with that list.  At least one of the "accidental shootings" involves a pellet gun, not a real firearm.

Also, a quick thumbnail check of the very young accidental fatalities finds them at least 50% than what CDC rates from the past suggest they should be.  I don't have time right now to check every single one, but I think there might be some double-counting going on,
2013-06-19 12:27:22 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: nobody is that offensively stupid in real life



Dude, I got this.

If you are surrounded by cops, just tell them you know me.

Say, " I know vudukungfu"

Then repeat it louder, "I KNOW VUDUKUNGFU!"

Then show them your "O" face, which is the secret handshake all cops know.
2013-06-19 11:17:27 AM  
1 votes:
Honest to god, and this is not a troll, can someone tell me WTF an "expanded background check" is? I have heard nothing about this except that it won't include mental health records. Sooooo, what the hell makes this any different than what we have now?
2013-06-19 11:14:43 AM  
1 votes:
I think I get it now...

"the police industrial complex is disgusting, militarization of police is ridiculous, private prisons for profit sentencing!"

story about about a protester you don't agree with is arrested for species reasons: "throw the bum in jail! dude can't put two fingers on a cop! that is an act of aggression! we have to think of their safety this single unarmed man with a beer gut could have karate kicked the whole police force!"

amirite?
2013-06-19 11:10:44 AM  
1 votes:

liam76: ChaosStar: Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.


If soemone is holding a legal gathering and you stroll in shouting over the speaker, crowding his podium you are not "quitely behaved" your actions are not "free from strife ro disorder" and in fact your behavior is "contentious or quarrelsome".

and in case you are wondering the italisized are exactly why it isn't protected.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peaceable


You go find the disturbing the peace statute pertaining to this town, read it, and see if his actions fit it. Chances are good if they do, the statute would be found unconstitutional. Your Websters dictionary definition is irrelevant.
Did you watch the video? He was asking the speaker questions about the speech he was giving because he thought he was being a mouth piece for Bloomingidiot's campaign. He wasn't "shouting over the speaker" or "crowding the podium". I already said what he was doing was annoying, and, if you're looking at it from an anti-gun point of view, not very polite but hardly disturbing the peace.
2013-06-19 11:09:11 AM  
1 votes:

Headso: yeah we are thinking of different scenarios, I am referring to the video this thread is about.


Sorry, but you don't get to put your hands on both sides of a cop. I see what you are saying, that you don't think he was going to apply force with his hands at any point, but we don't know if we was or not, and the police shouldn't have to give up positional advantage to people on the grounds that the people 'might not' use that.

That is where the cops are coming from.  You watch any video of cops getting killed, and more often than not it comes from letting people inch closer and closer and then making the move. I don't blame cops in the slightest for not giving up those inches. But I know, you watched thirty seconds of footage in the clip so you are absolutely sure the man, was bigger than any of the cops as well, was clearly just a harmless puppy dog.

He pointed behind the cop and then he tried to turn him. While turning someone around might qualify as harmless touching in many situations, turning a cop around when you are arguing with him, at least in my opinion, counts as off-limits touching.

Side note: this guy looked like one of the freedom anti-authority guys. On what authority is he physically touching anyone without permission?
2013-06-19 11:05:43 AM  
1 votes:

ChaosStar: Really? Please point out where I said that, cause I never did.


Bolding is yours --

liam76: Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

ChaosStar: No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.


What the fark else could that possibly mean? I mean seriously, you're just being contrarian at this point and I've got better things to do than argue on the internet with somebody like you.

Good day.
2013-06-19 11:01:17 AM  
1 votes:

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?

Let me slow it down for you....

In response to "Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that." you said "No, he really couldn't".

What you're saying is that the police would be unable to arrest the man because they did not witness the act. The fact that whatever he had done was done before the police arrived somehow prevented the police from taking action.

At this point, that statement is made with no knowledge or concern for what potential crime was being committed. It could have been disturbing the peace, jaywalking, assault, making terroristic threats -- it doesn't matter. If the police didn't witness it, they can't arrest him.

I pointed out that that is BS. If there's evidence (especially video evidence captured by a third party) that somebody committed a crime, the police can arrest/charge/cite you for it within the statute of limitations.


Also we don't know what the police saw.  he might have started to leave after the police saw him disturbing the peace and approaching him.

normally I don't give police the benefit of the doubt, but when you clearly see the guy break the law and then see him try and get away from police by nudging them away, that is a different story.
2013-06-19 10:57:55 AM  
1 votes:
He didn't "just touch" the cop. He pushed on him to get him to move out of the way, enough to move the cop (even slightly). It was disrespectful and assholish - doing it in a non-cop situation would still probably escalate it to a violent confrontation.

How about you don't put your farking hands on people, and maybe things will stay calm?

Also, those cops need take down training. He was standing straight up, yet three of them had trouble taking him down. Use your weight and leverage to control him, don't just jump on his back and hang there.
2013-06-19 10:57:35 AM  
1 votes:

ChaosStar: Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.



If soemone is holding a legal gathering and you stroll in shouting over the speaker, crowding his podium you are not "quitely behaved" your actions are not "free from strife ro disorder" and in fact your behavior is "contentious or quarrelsome".

and in case you are wondering the italisized are exactly why it isn't protected.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peaceable
2013-06-19 10:46:34 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: Seriously? He just touched the cop. He wasn't threatning him. I've seen cops damn near lose their shiat when one is just standing around, and a guy walks up to ask him a general question and taps him on the shoulder 'Excuse me sir..." and the cop acts like the guy stuck his penis in his pocket. "DON'T TOUCH ME SIR! YOU GOT THAT? DO NOT TOUCH ME AGAIN OR I WILL ARREST YOU!" Arrest for what? Felonious shoulder touching?


I used to protest like you, then I took a touch to the shoulder.
2013-06-19 10:42:49 AM  
1 votes:

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

So if the cops don't catch him actively "disturbing the peace", even if there's video evidence of him doing so, he gets off scot free?

I should use that the next time I argue a traffic camera violation -- "You see, by the time you reviewed the camera footage, I had stopped speeding, therefore I was committing no crime"


Reading over someone's shoulder and asking them questions about what they're speaking about, even during the speech, may be annoying but it's not disturbing the peace.

Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.

Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?
2013-06-19 10:35:06 AM  
1 votes:

snuff3r: Why is this even news? Let alone one lasting as long as it did. The guy was an asshole. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but there's a way to do it and a way to be an asshole.

Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.


Yeah that's what he gets for mouthing off outside of a Free Speech Zone.

img.fark.net
2013-06-19 10:33:25 AM  
1 votes:

snuff3r: Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.


You're a farking IDIOT if you accept this fact as reasonable though...
2013-06-19 10:32:43 AM  
1 votes:

liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.


No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.
2013-06-19 10:31:34 AM  
1 votes:
Simple rule I tell my kids:  Gun + Badge = wins.   You get pulled over by a cop you say, "yes sir, no sir," and you damned well better do it politely.  You want to argue, you go do it in court...period.

What's fun is white +50 males are now discovering that when it comes to protests, the cops don't like you.  And if you're dumb enough to touch one...in ANY way...you are gonna eat pavement.  Gun + badge = wins.
2013-06-19 10:27:08 AM  
1 votes:
Holy crap, invade personal space much? Also, who the hell touches people while arguing with them?
2013-06-19 10:11:49 AM  
1 votes:
It's Mayors Against Guns. They don't care at all if they are "illegal" or not. AND they are losing badly in the court of public opinion.

/Gun Control is STILL a loser at the polls
2013-06-19 10:11:32 AM  
1 votes:
you know, looking from the outside (Canada) at all these gun retards you have down south is sometimes amusing, sometimes scary.

of all the things to get worked up over, a farking gun? really? that's the best you can do? how about you just go half retard and get really passionate about Nascar, or UFC?

but guns?
2013-06-19 09:32:03 AM  
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Once again, a headline that demonstrates the fine line between "using creative snark to poke fun at the article" and "being a farking idiot who can't read."


Gotcha clickin' though, didn't it?
 
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