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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Counter protester at Mayors Against Illegal Guns rally speaks his peace, turns to leave, and is confronted by police. He explains he's done talking and is leaving. Police explain STOP RESISTING STOP RESISTING ZAPPPPP TIKTIIKKATIKKATIKKA   (wmur.com) divider line 199
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2013-06-19 10:33:48 AM  

Pockafrusta: "Live Free or Die", my ass. Along with Connecticut, the former "Constitution State."


Cry harder.
 
2013-06-19 10:35:06 AM  

snuff3r: Why is this even news? Let alone one lasting as long as it did. The guy was an asshole. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but there's a way to do it and a way to be an asshole.

Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.


Yeah that's what he gets for mouthing off outside of a Free Speech Zone.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 10:35:15 AM  

ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.


Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.
 
2013-06-19 10:36:07 AM  

ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.


So if the cops don't catch him actively "disturbing the peace", even if there's video evidence of him doing so, he gets off scot free?

I should use that the next time I argue a traffic camera violation -- "You see, by the time you reviewed the camera footage, I had stopped speeding, therefore I was committing no crime"
 
2013-06-19 10:36:20 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: The guy was being a total dick to someone who had lost a child, but the cops shouldn't have tased him. If you can't take down a guy slightly larger than you all  by yourself, without using a potentially deadly weapon (and tasers do kill people) you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.

That said, I wish these people who are so adamant about gun rights would apply that passion equally to other important social issues.


Does sleeping kill people? A lot of deaths occur while sleeping too I bet.

Tasers kill is something mostly said by people who don't understand amps vs. volts, as far as I can tell. Unless you meant the rare instance of someone falling badly while being tased, or so hopped up on drugs that their own freaking out is really what killed them and likely would have had they been physically taken down.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:25 AM  
Sexton said the rally attracted a passionate pro-Second Amendment crowd, including Musso, who now faces multiple charges, including simple assault of a police officer.

As opposed to complex assault of a police officer? I don't want to get into a discussion about the merits or lack thereof about background checks or gun control or the second amendment or anything, but I am curious if "simple assault" is a specific criminal charge (either generally or in that area specifically) or if that's just the author of TFA trying to imply that the assault wasn't nearly as bad as the word "assault" sometimes implies.
 
2013-06-19 10:38:51 AM  

Headso: snuff3r: Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.

You're a farking IDIOT if you accept this fact as reasonable though...


Maybe. I don't find it unreasonable that it is illegal for me to resist arrest, push past cops, etc. Maybe we are thinking of different scenarios?


Are you going to go fight the good fight and go poke some cops this week? Can you get us a youtube video?
 
2013-06-19 10:41:04 AM  

dittybopper: MmmCrime: cwheelie: And now, if convicted of a felony, he won't be able to legally own a gun!
You cunning plan, sir, was not thought through.

This.

And while it is weak physical contact, if a judge finds it aggressive that he seemed to be attempting to turn the cop (weakly) that is enough.

Then you need a jury to convict him.


And the jury will consist of 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty whose combined legal expertise consists of one of them having once watched a rerun of Law & Order or CSI.

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MythDragon: Punching a cop in the face = assault
Pushing a cop away from you hard enough he has to take a step back = assault.
Touching a cop's arm = not assault

Seriously? He just touched the cop. He wasn't threatning him. I've seen cops damn near lose their shiat when one is just standing around, and a guy walks up to ask him a general question and taps him on the shoulder 'Excuse me sir..." and the cop acts like the guy stuck his penis in his pocket. "DON'T TOUCH ME SIR! YOU GOT THAT? DO NOT TOUCH ME AGAIN OR I WILL ARREST YOU!" Arrest for what? Felonious shoulder touching?

Read about a case where someone was getting mouthy with a cop (not the smart thing, I agree) and the cop pushed him away very forcefully. I guy tripped and in trying to break his fall, he reached out to grab anything. He got the cop's vest, and in doing so, broke his name badge. They charged him with destruction of government property.


Depends on the jurisdiction. In Florida, that slight bit of touching would count as battery, which is a felony even if the "victim" (read:person on the receiving end of the touch, even if the contact is so weak that he or she wouldn't notice it if they weren't paying attention) is not a cop.
 
2013-06-19 10:42:18 AM  
I don't have any sound on my office computer so I don't know what was being said between him and the cops, but just visually, it didn't look like the guy did anything to deserve that.
 
2013-06-19 10:42:29 AM  

snuff3r: Why is this even news? Let alone one lasting as long as it did. The guy was an asshole. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but there's a way to do it and a way to be an asshole.

Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.


That's never a good touch.
 
2013-06-19 10:42:49 AM  

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

So if the cops don't catch him actively "disturbing the peace", even if there's video evidence of him doing so, he gets off scot free?

I should use that the next time I argue a traffic camera violation -- "You see, by the time you reviewed the camera footage, I had stopped speeding, therefore I was committing no crime"


Reading over someone's shoulder and asking them questions about what they're speaking about, even during the speech, may be annoying but it's not disturbing the peace.

Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.

Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?
 
2013-06-19 10:43:02 AM  
With all the cops using their tasers to show off power, from now on if I see a cop trapped in a burning car, I'll say cool...this is going to be an awesome video.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.


If being hyperbolic: heh heh
If being serious: No they really can't
 
2013-06-19 10:44:25 AM  
I will bite. What did he do that was arrest worthy.  I used to be a police officer and I can tell you that interrupting a speaker at a rally isn't arrest worthy.  The police shouldn't have even touched him since he was walking away.  Also the officer who's arm he touched should no have been obstructing him and keeping him from walking away.  The police escalated this situation.
We tend to forget we have rights.  The police can't just detain you for any reason they see fit.  Most police academies aren't even real police academies any more.   Now they are run by the local community college and last 3 maybe 4 months.  That isn't much education or training given the responsibilities that duty of office carries.  Even if the police arrived to investigate the complaint, unless there was something clearly evident that this man had done something serious,  he should have been free to leave.  You can yell during a presidential address and as long as you are not being profane or vulgar it isn't necessarily a crime.  It certainly does not meet the standard of disorderly conduct in most states.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:34 AM  

MythDragon: Seriously? He just touched the cop. He wasn't threatning him. I've seen cops damn near lose their shiat when one is just standing around, and a guy walks up to ask him a general question and taps him on the shoulder 'Excuse me sir..." and the cop acts like the guy stuck his penis in his pocket. "DON'T TOUCH ME SIR! YOU GOT THAT? DO NOT TOUCH ME AGAIN OR I WILL ARREST YOU!" Arrest for what? Felonious shoulder touching?


I used to protest like you, then I took a touch to the shoulder.
 
Ant
2013-06-19 10:48:33 AM  
The guy was being a dick to the speaker, but the cops really over reacted to the supposed "physical contact" AKA gentle shoulder touching. They should've just told the guy to get lost. Now they're just feeding the rabid right wingers.
 
2013-06-19 10:48:51 AM  

ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.

If being hyperbolic: heh heh
If being serious: No they really can't


Yes, they really can. If they've decided those cuffs are going on, they're going on.

You're obviously free to resist, but don't be too surprised about the results. Better move is to just deal with it and tell it to the judge.
 
Ant
2013-06-19 10:49:23 AM  

Donnchadha: PreMortem: Coincidentally, TIKTIIKKATIKKATIKKA is the middle name of my Makaa'n neighbor.

In the TIKATIKATIKATIKATIKA room
Where the birds sing words and the flowers HNGGGGGG!!!! *thud*


I laughed
 
2013-06-19 10:51:21 AM  

ChaosStar: Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?


Let me slow it down for you....

In response to "Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that." you said "No, he really couldn't".

What you're saying is that the police would be unable to arrest the man because they did not witness the act. The fact that whatever he had done was done before the police arrived somehow prevented the police from taking action.

At this point, that statement is made with no knowledge or concern for what potential crime was being committed. It could have been disturbing the peace, jaywalking, assault, making terroristic threats -- it doesn't matter. If the police didn't witness it, they can't arrest him.

I pointed out that that is BS. If there's evidence (especially video evidence captured by a third party) that somebody committed a crime, the police can arrest/charge/cite you for it within the statute of limitations.
 
2013-06-19 10:51:30 AM  

MythDragon: Carth: Tip for life: If the police are standing in your way, yelling at you, doing just about anything you find annoying the solution is never to touch them in any way. It gives them an excuse to arrest you and will pretty much ruin your day.

They need an excuse now? Wow. I'm glad to see the era of police asshattery is coming to close.


When they have a camera for the states largest news network right in their face? Yes. they do.
 
2013-06-19 10:53:08 AM  

Smackledorfer: Headso: snuff3r: Also, you touch a cop, you're getting arrested. You're a farking IDIOT if you don't know this.

You're a farking IDIOT if you accept this fact as reasonable though...

Maybe. I don't find it unreasonable that it is illegal for me to resist arrest, push past cops, etc. Maybe we are thinking of different scenarios?


Are you going to go fight the good fight and go poke some cops this week? Can you get us a youtube video?


yeah we are thinking of different scenarios, I am referring to the video this thread is about.
 
Ant
2013-06-19 10:53:13 AM  

Pichu0102: Holy crap, invade personal space much? Also, who the hell touches people while arguing with them?


It looked like he was trying to get the cop out of his way so he could leave.
 
2013-06-19 10:54:06 AM  

leeto2: Simple rule I tell my kids:  Gun + Badge = wins.   You get pulled over by a cop you say, "yes sir, no sir," and you damned well better do it politely.  You want to argue, you go do it in court...period.

What's fun is white +50 males are now discovering that when it comes to protests, the cops don't like you.  And if you're dumb enough to touch one...in ANY way...you are gonna eat pavement.  Gun + badge = wins.


And yet, there were upwards of 12,000 people who protested the new NYS SAFE Act in downtown Albany a few months ago, and *ZERO* trouble.
 
Ant
2013-06-19 10:57:13 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: There is a Mayors Against Illegal Guns group?  I thought objects and people can't be "illegal" (e.g. illegal aliens).

Is there a Mayors For Illegal Guns group that they are trying to counter?


Lots of objects are illegal. Drugs, nuclear weapons, etc.

/no wonder they call you tenpoundsofderp
 
2013-06-19 10:57:28 AM  

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?

Let me slow it down for you....

In response to "Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that." you said "No, he really couldn't".

What you're saying is that the police would be unable to arrest the man because they did not witness the act. The fact that whatever he had done was done before the police arrived somehow prevented the police from taking action.

At this point, that statement is made with no knowledge or concern for what potential crime was being committed. It could have been disturbing the peace, jaywalking, assault, making terroristic threats -- it doesn't matter. If the police didn't witness it, they can't arrest him.

I pointed out that that is BS. If there's evidence (especially video evidence captured by a third party) that somebody committed a crime, the police can arrest/charge/cite you for it within the statute of limitations.


Additionally, even if they don't have the probable cause to arrest, the reasonable suspicion necessary for an investigative detention is sufficient enough to physically keep someone from walking away.
 
2013-06-19 10:57:35 AM  

ChaosStar: Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.



If soemone is holding a legal gathering and you stroll in shouting over the speaker, crowding his podium you are not "quitely behaved" your actions are not "free from strife ro disorder" and in fact your behavior is "contentious or quarrelsome".

and in case you are wondering the italisized are exactly why it isn't protected.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peaceable
 
2013-06-19 10:57:55 AM  
He didn't "just touch" the cop. He pushed on him to get him to move out of the way, enough to move the cop (even slightly). It was disrespectful and assholish - doing it in a non-cop situation would still probably escalate it to a violent confrontation.

How about you don't put your farking hands on people, and maybe things will stay calm?

Also, those cops need take down training. He was standing straight up, yet three of them had trouble taking him down. Use your weight and leverage to control him, don't just jump on his back and hang there.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:11 AM  

dittybopper: leeto2: Simple rule I tell my kids:  Gun + Badge = wins.   You get pulled over by a cop you say, "yes sir, no sir," and you damned well better do it politely.  You want to argue, you go do it in court...period.

What's fun is white +50 males are now discovering that when it comes to protests, the cops don't like you.  And if you're dumb enough to touch one...in ANY way...you are gonna eat pavement.  Gun + badge = wins.

And yet, there were upwards of 12,000 people who protested the new NYS SAFE Act in downtown Albany a few months ago, and *ZERO* trouble.


That doesn't mean the cops like them.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:20 AM  

dittybopper: leeto2: Simple rule I tell my kids:  Gun + Badge = wins.   You get pulled over by a cop you say, "yes sir, no sir," and you damned well better do it politely.  You want to argue, you go do it in court...period.

What's fun is white +50 males are now discovering that when it comes to protests, the cops don't like you.  And if you're dumb enough to touch one...in ANY way...you are gonna eat pavement.  Gun + badge = wins.

And yet, there were upwards of 12,000 people who protested the new NYS SAFE Act in downtown Albany a few months ago, and *ZERO* trouble.


Gun nuts with 1" rage boners care not about facts.
 
2013-06-19 10:59:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.

If being hyperbolic: heh heh
If being serious: No they really can't

Yes, they really can. If they've decided those cuffs are going on, they're going on.

You're obviously free to resist, but don't be too surprised about the results. Better move is to just deal with it and tell it to the judge.


You do know that you can be put in cuffs without being arrested right?
/I don't think you do
 
2013-06-19 10:59:45 AM  

Smackledorfer: SuburbanCowboy: The guy was being a total dick to someone who had lost a child, but the cops shouldn't have tased him. If you can't take down a guy slightly larger than you all  by yourself, without using a potentially deadly weapon (and tasers do kill people) you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.

That said, I wish these people who are so adamant about gun rights would apply that passion equally to other important social issues.

Does sleeping kill people? A lot of deaths occur while sleeping too I bet.

Tasers kill is something mostly said by people who don't understand amps vs. volts, as far as I can tell. Unless you meant the rare instance of someone falling badly while being tased, or so hopped up on drugs that their own freaking out is really what killed them and likely would have had they been physically taken down.



2011[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taser_safety_issues&ac tion=e dit&section=23" title="Edit section: 2011" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">edit]May 6, 2011,June 6, 2011,June 28, 2011,August 6, 2011,<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" cincinnati,_ohio"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio" title="Cincinnati, Ohio" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Cincinnati, Ohio, an 18-year-old attending summer classes at the University of Cincinnati was struck by a campus officer's stun gun and died of cardiac arrest.August 7, 2011,August 16, 2011,August 23, 2011,Sept 13, 2011,http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damon_Barnett&action=ed it&re dlink=1" class="new" title="Damon Barnett (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Damon Barnett, inSeptember 2011,October 31, 2011,November 15, 2011November 15, 2011,November 16, 2011,November 22, 2011,
 
2013-06-19 11:00:56 AM  
Police used an electronic stun gun
Are they really "electronic"? I thought they were electrical.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:17 AM  

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?

Let me slow it down for you....

In response to "Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that." you said "No, he really couldn't".

What you're saying is that the police would be unable to arrest the man because they did not witness the act. The fact that whatever he had done was done before the police arrived somehow prevented the police from taking action.

At this point, that statement is made with no knowledge or concern for what potential crime was being committed. It could have been disturbing the peace, jaywalking, assault, making terroristic threats -- it doesn't matter. If the police didn't witness it, they can't arrest him.

I pointed out that that is BS. If there's evidence (especially video evidence captured by a third party) that somebody committed a crime, the police can arrest/charge/cite you for it within the statute of limitations.


Also we don't know what the police saw.  he might have started to leave after the police saw him disturbing the peace and approaching him.

normally I don't give police the benefit of the doubt, but when you clearly see the guy break the law and then see him try and get away from police by nudging them away, that is a different story.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:33 AM  

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Red light cameras? Really? You do know that apples and oranges are different right?

Let me slow it down for you....

In response to "Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that." you said "No, he really couldn't".

What you're saying is that the police would be unable to arrest the man because they did not witness the act. The fact that whatever he had done was done before the police arrived somehow prevented the police from taking action.

At this point, that statement is made with no knowledge or concern for what potential crime was being committed. It could have been disturbing the peace, jaywalking, assault, making terroristic threats -- it doesn't matter. If the police didn't witness it, they can't arrest him.

I pointed out that that is BS. If there's evidence (especially video evidence captured by a third party) that somebody committed a crime, the police can arrest/charge/cite you for it within the statute of limitations.


Really? Please point out where I said that, cause I never did.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:43 AM  

joeshill: 2011[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taser_safety_issues&ac tion=e dit§ion=23" title="Edit section: 2011" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">edit]May 6, 2011,June 6, 2011,June 28, 2011,August 6, 2011,<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" cincinnati,_ohio"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio" title="Cincinnati, Ohio" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Cincinnati, Ohio, an 18-year-old attending summer classes at the University of Cincinnati was struck by a campus officer's stun gun and died of cardiac arrest.August 7, 2011,August 16, 2011,August 23, 2011,Sept 13, 2011,http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damon_Barnett&action=ed it&re dlink=1" class="new" title="Damon Barnett (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Damon Barnett, inSeptember 2011,October 31, 2011,November 15, 2011November 15, 2011,November 16, 2011,November 22, 2011,


I completely agree
 
2013-06-19 11:02:17 AM  

joeshill: Smackledorfer: SuburbanCowboy: The guy was being a total dick to someone who had lost a child, but the cops shouldn't have tased him. If you can't take down a guy slightly larger than you all  by yourself, without using a potentially deadly weapon (and tasers do kill people) you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.

That said, I wish these people who are so adamant about gun rights would apply that passion equally to other important social issues.

Does sleeping kill people? A lot of deaths occur while sleeping too I bet.

Tasers kill is something mostly said by people who don't understand amps vs. volts, as far as I can tell. Unless you meant the rare instance of someone falling badly while being tased, or so hopped up on drugs that their own freaking out is really what killed them and likely would have had they been physically taken down.


2011[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taser_safety_issues&ac tion=e dit§ion=23" title="Edit section: 2011" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">edit]May 6, 2011,June 6, 2011,June 28, 2011,August 6, 2011,<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" cincinnati,_ohio"="" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio" title="Cincinnati, Ohio" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Cincinnati, Ohio, an 18-year-old attending summer classes at the University of Cincinnati was struck by a campus officer's stun gun and died of cardiac arrest.August 7, 2011,August 16, 2011,August 23, 2011,Sept 13, 2011,http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Damon_Barnett&action=ed it&re dlink=1" class="new" title="Damon Barnett (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(165, 88, 88); background-image: ...


Sorry.  That sucked as a response.  I'll just wander away and drool over there...
 
2013-06-19 11:03:29 AM  
Funny thing about this is if it had been a pro gun rally and the fellow was anti-gun this place would be a farking mad house with people calling for the cops to be fired, blaming republicans for every evil on the planet etc etc.Perspective is a biatch folks.
 
2013-06-19 11:03:31 AM  

TheOnion: After numerous interjections, Musso decided to walk away, but Concord police had been called. When officers began talking to him, Musso initiated physical contact with police, Sexton said.

Yup, headline really got the facts straight...


yeah, dud forgot that your never supposed to touch a cop...  He must be one of those hands-on/touchy kind of people...  More of them need to be tazed, i'm tired of that shiat...
 
2013-06-19 11:03:45 AM  

ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.

If being hyperbolic: heh heh
If being serious: No they really can't

Yes, they really can. If they've decided those cuffs are going on, they're going on.

You're obviously free to resist, but don't be too surprised about the results. Better move is to just deal with it and tell it to the judge.

You do know that you can be put in cuffs without being arrested right?
/I don't think you do


Yes I obviously know this.

You know a cop can arrest you for any reason he likes, right?

Don't come back to me with some bullshiat about procedure. They feel absolutely no heat for false arrests, it's utterly meaningless to them.

I don't care if you cannot acknowledge reality. I encourage you to resist if you feel that a cop can't arrest you for some reason. Please let us know how it goes.
 
2013-06-19 11:04:27 AM  

Ant: Pichu0102: Holy crap, invade personal space much? Also, who the hell touches people while arguing with them?

It looked like he was trying to get the cop out of his way so he could leave.


Never push a cop, you'll flop like a drunken fish. As he did.
 
2013-06-19 11:05:43 AM  

ChaosStar: Really? Please point out where I said that, cause I never did.


Bolding is yours --

liam76: Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

ChaosStar: No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.


What the fark else could that possibly mean? I mean seriously, you're just being contrarian at this point and I've got better things to do than argue on the internet with somebody like you.

Good day.
 
2013-06-19 11:06:54 AM  

Coolfusis: How about you don't put your farking hands on people, and maybe things will stay calm?


How about the police keep these douchebags out of jail so the rest of the population doesn't have to pay for their bruised egos. These guys are supposed to be professional, they should be able to deal with some douchebag touching them in an assholish way without costing the taxpayer thousands of dollars if not more by arresting them and ultimately ruining their life so their potential earning power is squashed which causes even more losses. There was obviously nothing but the guy being a condescending douche he had no intention of harming that cop.
 
2013-06-19 11:09:11 AM  

Headso: yeah we are thinking of different scenarios, I am referring to the video this thread is about.


Sorry, but you don't get to put your hands on both sides of a cop. I see what you are saying, that you don't think he was going to apply force with his hands at any point, but we don't know if we was or not, and the police shouldn't have to give up positional advantage to people on the grounds that the people 'might not' use that.

That is where the cops are coming from.  You watch any video of cops getting killed, and more often than not it comes from letting people inch closer and closer and then making the move. I don't blame cops in the slightest for not giving up those inches. But I know, you watched thirty seconds of footage in the clip so you are absolutely sure the man, was bigger than any of the cops as well, was clearly just a harmless puppy dog.

He pointed behind the cop and then he tried to turn him. While turning someone around might qualify as harmless touching in many situations, turning a cop around when you are arguing with him, at least in my opinion, counts as off-limits touching.

Side note: this guy looked like one of the freedom anti-authority guys. On what authority is he physically touching anyone without permission?
 
2013-06-19 11:09:56 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: The guy was being a total dick to someone who had lost a child, but the cops shouldn't have tased him. If you can't take down a guy slightly larger than you all  by yourself, without using a potentially deadly weapon (and tasers do kill people) you shouldn't be allowed to be a cop.

That said, I wish these people who are so adamant about gun rights would apply that passion equally to other important social issues.


they do..have you ever been to an anti-abortion rally?
 
2013-06-19 11:10:44 AM  

liam76: ChaosStar: Let me rephrase, because I know how Farkers operate, it's not disturbing the peace if the disturbing the peace statue is constitutional. Many of them are vague and over-reaching so they turn out not to be.


If soemone is holding a legal gathering and you stroll in shouting over the speaker, crowding his podium you are not "quitely behaved" your actions are not "free from strife ro disorder" and in fact your behavior is "contentious or quarrelsome".

and in case you are wondering the italisized are exactly why it isn't protected.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peaceable


You go find the disturbing the peace statute pertaining to this town, read it, and see if his actions fit it. Chances are good if they do, the statute would be found unconstitutional. Your Websters dictionary definition is irrelevant.
Did you watch the video? He was asking the speaker questions about the speech he was giving because he thought he was being a mouth piece for Bloomingidiot's campaign. He wasn't "shouting over the speaker" or "crowding the podium". I already said what he was doing was annoying, and, if you're looking at it from an anti-gun point of view, not very polite but hardly disturbing the peace.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:37 AM  

Ant: Pichu0102: Holy crap, invade personal space much? Also, who the hell touches people while arguing with them?

It looked like he was trying to get the cop out of his way so he could leave.


It looked like he had no problem disturbing the peace until the cops showed up. At which time he decided to stop disturbing the peace and leave before the cops intervened.

Running away from the cops doesn't necessarily mean actually running.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:39 AM  

Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Really? Please point out where I said that, cause I never did.

Bolding is yours --

liam76: Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

ChaosStar: No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

What the fark else could that possibly mean? I mean seriously, you're just being contrarian at this point and I've got better things to do than argue on the internet with somebody like you.

Good day.


Could it possibly, just maybe, mean that he didn't break the law? That what he did wasn't disturbing the peace?
No, couldn't be that huh? It clearly means whatever words you put into my mouth.
Good day indeed.
 
2013-06-19 11:14:18 AM  

ChaosStar: Donnchadha: ChaosStar: Really? Please point out where I said that, cause I never did.

Bolding is yours --

liam76: Even if he was trying to "walk away" he could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

ChaosStar: No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

What the fark else could that possibly mean? I mean seriously, you're just being contrarian at this point and I've got better things to do than argue on the internet with somebody like you.

Good day.

Could it possibly, just maybe, mean that he didn't break the law? That what he did wasn't disturbing the peace?
No, couldn't be that huh? It clearly means whatever words you put into my mouth.
Good day indeed.


Doesn't matter, he can still be arrested. Do you understand the utility of our court system?
 
2013-06-19 11:14:34 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: HotWingConspiracy: ChaosStar: liam76: natas6.0: guy had his arms crossed and was trying to walk away
was even saying he was walking away..
blocked by police until he gave them a reason to arrest him


Even if he was trying to "walk away" he  could be arrested for disturbing the peace prior to that.

The inevitabel "assault" charge is BS.

No, he really couldn't, but I'm to lazy to look everything up.

Sure he could, you can get arrested simply because a cop feels like arresting you.

If being hyperbolic: heh heh
If being serious: No they really can't

Yes, they really can. If they've decided those cuffs are going on, they're going on.

You're obviously free to resist, but don't be too surprised about the results. Better move is to just deal with it and tell it to the judge.

You do know that you can be put in cuffs without being arrested right?
/I don't think you do

Yes I obviously know this.

You know a cop can arrest you for any reason he likes, right?

Don't come back to me with some bullshiat about procedure. They feel absolutely no heat for false arrests, it's utterly meaningless to them.

I don't care if you cannot acknowledge reality. I encourage you to resist if you feel that a cop can't arrest you for some reason. Please let us know how it goes.


You still don't know the difference between arrest and detain huh?
I know, I know, learning is hard for you, but please try ok? For me?
 
2013-06-19 11:14:43 AM  
I think I get it now...

"the police industrial complex is disgusting, militarization of police is ridiculous, private prisons for profit sentencing!"

story about about a protester you don't agree with is arrested for species reasons: "throw the bum in jail! dude can't put two fingers on a cop! that is an act of aggression! we have to think of their safety this single unarmed man with a beer gut could have karate kicked the whole police force!"

amirite?
 
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