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(Talking Points Memo)   Senate GOP swears, on their mother's graves, that they will never, ever, ever, EVER, use the nuclear option on Democrats when they take back the senate. Yes, Senator Ackbar, you have something you wish to say?   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 39
    More: Unlikely, GOP, Democrats, Republican, Majority Leader Harry Reid, minority rights, Mitch McConnell, Party leaders of the United States Senate  
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2013-06-19 09:39:37 AM  
I'm actually kind of surprised Republican Senators aren't out-and-out using chainsaws on their Democratic counterparts.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:58 AM  
Must be hard to pinky swear with a turtle.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:40 AM  
Well, how many of them have dead mothers? That's the main thing to consider. If it's less than a handful of them, Democrats should probably ask for some other guarantees, maybe a heart crossing and commitment to needle-in-eye-sticking.
 
2013-06-19 09:57:48 AM  
Fool me 21,548 times, shame on, well, someone.
 
2013-06-19 10:05:29 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Fool me 21,548 times, shame on, well, someone.


I agree. They can't fill any position with these guys. They have filibustered their own bills.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:30 AM  
NFTFA:  Reid was prepared to "shake on it", but looked at McConnell's hand and found he had scribbled on it, "SHAKING MY HAND COUNTS AS REPEALING OBAMACARE NO TAKEBACKS".
 
2013-06-19 10:52:02 AM  
Cross my heart and hope to fly, stick a cupcake in my eye.
 
2013-06-19 10:52:32 AM  
That should be Reid's cue to do it.
 
2013-06-19 10:53:14 AM  
Awww, how cute. They actually think they're going to take back the Senate before their party implodes entirely.
 
2013-06-19 10:56:13 AM  
This is possible, especially if they can get what they want simply by threatening to clobber the filibuster, like they did last time. The last few years have underscored the power the filibuster gives the minority, and the GOP probably isn't delusional enough to think a situation where they'd want to use the filibuster again would never arise.

On the flip side, if they're convinced the Democrats are going to do it, they'll probably do it first.

In any case, they won't go nuclear in 2014. No reason to.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:22 AM  

BunkoSquad: I'm actually kind of surprised Republican Senators aren't out-and-out using chainsaws on their Democratic counterparts.


They'd have to come out from under the desks of corporate executives first.
 
2013-06-19 10:59:53 AM  
Just checking in to see how many jobs bills the GOP has introduced this year. Oh look, still zero.
 
2013-06-19 11:00:41 AM  
Considering some of them put their mothers in those graves, I'm not surprised.

Hey, the biatch got between him and a lobbyist. What the fark could he do?
 
2013-06-19 11:06:02 AM  
If they have an ounce of shame, they'll keep their word.
 
2013-06-19 11:06:23 AM  
The really sad part is that they probably will retake the Senate.

The first few years post Obama are going to be a disaster for this country.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:35 AM  
Senator Ackbar?

I thought John Boehner was in the House...
 
2013-06-19 11:13:30 AM  

doczoidberg: The really sad part is that they probably will retake the Senate.


I  think the Democrats will keep the senate and make headway in the House.
 
2013-06-19 11:13:51 AM  

johnryan51: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Fool me 21,548 times, shame on, well, someone.

I agree. They can't fill any position with these guys. They have filibustered their own bills.


This.  Discussion over.
 
2013-06-19 11:21:31 AM  
I would be kind of surprised if the Republicans didn't immediately install the nuclear option the second they gain control of the Senate, and all the while straight-faced about it. I can even imagine their reasoning being the exact same lines of reasoning the Democrats are using now: "Well, 51 votes should be all we need to pass something; why should the minority party control the Senate?" And of course everyone will cheer and say how fair that is and Democrats should just win more elections or something.
 
2013-06-19 12:28:07 PM  
FTA: Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), pressed repeatedly Tuesday by TPM, said he doesn't expect a hypothetical future GOP majority to use the nuclear option if Democrats opt not to.

"I do not - if Senator Reid keeps his word, as I expect him to do," he said.


Behind Senator Alexander, a band begins to play "The Rains of Castamere".
 
2013-06-19 12:44:30 PM  
There are usually a handful of Senators that at least realize that they will not be a majority forever, which is all that keeps this from happening.
 
2013-06-19 12:47:54 PM  
FTFA: Make no mistake about it," McConnell told reporters Tuesday at his weekly news conference in the Capitol, in response to a question from TPM. "Using the nuclear option is the end of the Senate. I repeat, the end of the Senate. It turns the Senate into the House."

So the Senate becomes redundant then?  Hmm, okay, change the House Representation from gerrymandered district to top x candiddates get to represent that state (based on population), Dissolve the Senate, add a 100 members, and let them advise and consent.  Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
2013-06-19 12:51:55 PM  
So many traditions just to keep the South from succeeding.
 
2013-06-19 12:53:33 PM  
when being the operative word here
 
2013-06-19 01:02:09 PM  

BitwiseShift: So many traditions just to keep the South from succeeding.


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2013-06-19 01:38:05 PM  
As someone looking to buy a bridge in the New York metropolitan area, I completely trust these Senators.

/Also, for the bridge, I can pay with large boxes of cash. Hope that's alright
 
2013-06-19 01:46:37 PM  
"Make no mistake about it," McConnell told reporters Tuesday at his weekly news conference in the Capitol, in response to a question from TPM. "Using the nuclear option is the end of the Senate. I repeat, the end of the Senate. It turns the Senate into the House."

Jesus, what a dipshiat.

The Senate rules were enacted back when senators could be trusted to act in good faith and put country before party. This has not been the case for most Republican senators since Clinton was first elected.

The filibuster (and a lot of other old senate rules that allow a minority or even one senator to screw things up) should have been ended a long time ago.  We would be FAR better off as a country today dozens of ways (REAL health care reform with a public option, for instance.)

Yes, it is possible the Republicans (as the batshiat party we know of them today) will regain the majority in the senate one more time before imploding completely.  But so what?  If they do get a majority, the filibuster will probably go right out the window the first time the Democrats use it on anything of significance.

We have a critical shortage of federal judges.  Important spending bills are not getting passed. Republican senators are filibustering their own freaking bills!  WTF?!?
 
2013-06-19 02:08:57 PM  
I think Harry Reid should have used it earlier this year. Frankly I'd be happy if the GOP did it, it would make the damn Senate actually function and the Democrats wouldn't be so stupid to bring back cloture votes when they take the Senate back.

/No, they would bring it back.
// Because they are farking retarded.
 
2013-06-19 02:38:38 PM  
Reid won't do it. He's shown time and time again that he's bluffing.
 
2013-06-19 03:12:18 PM  

Lunchlady: // Because they are farking retarded.


This

balthan: Reid won't do it. He's shown time and time again that he's bluffing.


And that.
 
2013-06-19 03:45:37 PM  
"Republicans believe that the Senate is a place where minority rights should be protected," the Tennessee senator said. "Democrats changed the rules - they blocked President Bush's judges by filibuster and so now we've done that to President Obama's judges. If they do that on a wholesale basis that'll be the end of the Senate and we'll figure out what we can do by 51 votes just as they figured out what they can do."

The shiatting fug is this?  It sounds familiar...

Oh yeah.
 
2013-06-19 03:48:20 PM  
Preview is your friend.

What we have here appears to be a "But Timmy hit me fiiiiirst!" type situation.  Where Timmy's the kid on the left, about to get a black eye for his trouble.
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2013-06-19 04:16:40 PM  
The Democrats were filibustering Bush's appointees to AGs and justices because he was picking them from people who got their law degrees from frickin' Liberty University and no prior experience.
 
2013-06-19 05:24:58 PM  
"I AM, THE SENATE!"

Sen. Palpatine (R-Coruscant/ Mississippi)
 
2013-06-19 06:22:09 PM  
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2013-06-19 06:24:48 PM  
This article said "nuclear" seven times without once explaining what the "nuclear option" even is.
 
2013-06-19 06:28:09 PM  

dericwater: The Democrats were filibustering Bush's appointees to AGs and justices because he was picking them from people who got their law degrees from frickin' Liberty University and no prior experience.


Not convincing for me. I still see both sides as equally wrong.

/still waiting to make an offer on that bridge
 
2013-06-19 07:16:14 PM  

Moosecakes: This article said "nuclear" seven times without once explaining what the "nuclear option" even is.


The nuclear option is to get rid of filibusters, which are also known as the absolute dumbest, most illogical, childish thing a politician can do in politics.

Filibuster comes from the Dutch word for pirate. And not the cool pirate, but the Somalian pirate (citation needed).

Filibuster also shares root in the Latin phrase for "supreme douchebaggery of the highest order."

/maybe not, but it sure does fit.
 
2013-06-19 08:16:34 PM  

Moosecakes: This article said "nuclear" seven times without once explaining what the "nuclear option" even is.


Yup. Same as every article ever about 'austerity measures'. I still have no fecking clue if Greece spent too much or cut too much.
 
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