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2013-06-19 12:49:41 PM
i.imgur.com

82,000,000 people in Germany, yeah, that million men pay for sexnumber seems low.
 
2013-06-19 12:55:51 PM
An English-language news site in Germany called The Local  interviewed a 39-year-old man from Florida named Andrew about his brothel-frequenting habits. He said he originally visited Germany in his mid-20s because he was interested in the car culture and the history, but has since kept coming back three times annually because prostitution is legal and the prostitutes are so affordable...

'There's a risk of being arrested in the U.S., but not here,' he said. 'And it's cheaper...  Twenty minutes with a woman in Frankfurt costs as little as €20 [$27], he said. 'This is more than enough time,' he admitted.


All right, what's his Fark handle?
 
2013-06-19 01:04:59 PM
Pretty sure prostitution was legal before 2002. I remember Hamburg had a red light district on 1987.

/one damn year! But no we gotta do the school exchange in '87...
 
2013-06-19 01:08:08 PM
This guy?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 01:25:10 PM
I was hoping it would begin with a K
 
2013-06-19 01:27:01 PM
blow jobj?
 
2013-06-19 01:33:23 PM

whither_apophis: Pretty sure prostitution was legal before 2002. I remember Hamburg had a red light district on 1987.

/one damn year! But no we gotta do the school exchange in '87...


That's what I thought.  I was stationed in Germany in the late 90s, and prostitutes were everywhere, and pretty blatant about it.

They used to have these little vans with a mattress in the back, and they'd park next to the main road heading towards the U.S. base with their dome light on, so you could check out the goods.  There used to be this one with huge fake tits and a spiky blonde hairdo that she ripped off of Bart Simpson.  The combination was pretty weird.

Downtown, we found out that "discos" were nightclubs, and "night clubs" (in English) were brothels.
 
2013-06-19 01:54:07 PM
Bij? The Klingon punishment ritual?
 
2013-06-19 02:05:01 PM
Oktoberfest and a hay ride, sounds like a vacation.
 
2013-06-19 02:15:22 PM

Theaetetus: An English-language news site in Germany called The Local  interviewed a 39-year-old man from Florida named Andrew about his brothel-frequenting habits. He said he originally visited Germany in his mid-20s because he was interested in the car culture and the history, but has since kept coming back three times annually because prostitution is legal and the prostitutes are so affordable...

'There's a risk of being arrested in the U.S., but not here,' he said. 'And it's cheaper...  Twenty minutes with a woman in Frankfurt costs as little as €20 [$27], he said. 'This is more than enough time,' he admitted.

All right, what's his Fark handle?



likefunbutnot
 
2013-06-19 02:21:32 PM
But with the price of airfare and hotel wouldnt that just nulify the savings?
 
2013-06-19 02:22:29 PM
Sounds like a good time to start investing in blow jobs then.
 
2013-06-19 02:22:44 PM
Me? I prefer Trader Joe's.
 
2013-06-19 02:23:07 PM
Bindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetj?
 
2013-06-19 02:24:08 PM
Yeah, but the word that begins with an A and ends with an L has gone up in price 100%.
 
2013-06-19 02:25:10 PM
 
2013-06-19 02:25:18 PM
I was hoping beef jerky. You can't survive the apocalypse on blowjobs. Well, you can but your jaw gets tired before you don't feel hungry.
 
2013-06-19 02:25:20 PM
"'One woman here will even do it for a Big Mac.'"

sooo... she is after American Clientele mostly?
 
2013-06-19 02:25:39 PM
Basij?
 
2013-06-19 02:25:43 PM
Burj Dubai?

That got moved to Germany?
 
2013-06-19 02:25:45 PM
It's a squeaker, but I think "gone down" would have been a better choice,  subby.
 
2013-06-19 02:27:19 PM
Rather sad and disappointing.  Where'd the break-down happen?  Are there not enough government inspectors to keep up with the sex trade?

Why the disconnect between the need for regulation and the actual implementation?
 
2013-06-19 02:28:33 PM
Sounds better than a nice meal at a sensible place and back home for some efficient german sex.
/and I think subbs is trying to say beej or blowy-j
 
2013-06-19 02:28:56 PM
Gotta go to Germany...
 
2013-06-19 02:29:12 PM
This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore
 
2013-06-19 02:31:26 PM
(Rostam) Batmanglij?  Well I suppose you are going to be finding the latest Vampire Weekend album in the bargain bin.
 
2013-06-19 02:32:02 PM
My thought whenever I see a story like this is: "So conditions for prostitutes were better before this was legalized?"
 
2013-06-19 02:32:10 PM
The answer is NOT "babaghanouj."
 
2013-06-19 02:32:29 PM
Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!
 
2013-06-19 02:32:45 PM
Trust me gentlemen, even if you aren't having sex with a prostitute, you are paying for sex. One way or the other, you're paying for it...
 
2013-06-19 02:32:45 PM
Behold the future of legalized pot.
 
2013-06-19 02:35:17 PM
Blowjoj?
 
2013-06-19 02:35:37 PM
What cheap German prostitution might buy you
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 02:35:42 PM

Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore


Economists take the fun out of everything.
 
2013-06-19 02:35:43 PM
This probably means it costs much less to make than most thought.
 
2013-06-19 02:36:14 PM
Booj?
 
2013-06-19 02:37:35 PM

Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore


So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.
 
2013-06-19 02:37:36 PM

Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!


Most Farkers couldn't figure out cause and effect if they were hit by a train and splattered into a million pieces.
 
2013-06-19 02:38:26 PM

Infernalist: Rather sad and disappointing.  Where'd the break-down happen?  Are there not enough government inspectors to keep up with the sex trade?

Why the disconnect between the need for regulation and the actual implementation?


The break down is the fall of the iron curtain.  Thanks to communism there is no shortage of poverty stricken young women from Eastern Europe.  Same thing is happening in Turkey  a top destination for victims of human trafficing in relation to the sex trade.
 
2013-06-19 02:38:50 PM

jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.


Yeah maybe that's because good looking girls don't want to prostitute themselves?  Jesus, have you seen the "pornstars without makeup" pictures?
 
2013-06-19 02:39:46 PM
Supply and demand.

As a good conservative capitalist, I repeat LEGALIZE IT HERE in the US.

But I want some severe penalties for those a-holes who traffic in women. Plenty of women here willing to charge for it (or hell, give it away for free), as a trip to any nightclub will show you. Hopefully most people would rather pay more for a willing volunteer then get a savings from a sex slave.
 
2013-06-19 02:43:47 PM

Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!


You're saying that when pot becomes legal, the plants will necessarily come from broken fields and be locked into hellish Stockholm-Syndrome-y relationships with the sellers?

I must be missing something.
 
2013-06-19 02:46:28 PM

rwfan: Infernalist: Rather sad and disappointing.  Where'd the break-down happen?  Are there not enough government inspectors to keep up with the sex trade?

Why the disconnect between the need for regulation and the actual implementation?

The break down is the fall of the iron curtain.  Thanks to communism there is no shortage of poverty stricken young women from Eastern Europe.  Same thing is happening in Turkey  a top destination for victims of human trafficing in relation to the sex trade.


Furthermore page down a bit and you will see an article about massage parlors in Vermont.
 
2013-06-19 02:46:35 PM

garandman1a: Supply and demand.

As a good conservative capitalist, I repeat LEGALIZE IT HERE in the US.

But I want some severe penalties for those a-holes who traffic in women. Plenty of women here willing to charge for it (or hell, give it away for free), as a trip to any nightclub will show you. Hopefully most people would rather pay more for a willing volunteer then get a savings from a sex slave.


I would be willing to get behind a buy American campaign for this too!
 
2013-06-19 02:47:05 PM
We, the decent people of this town, will not abide pimp gamblers, and women of the night, at prices like these!
 
2013-06-19 02:49:31 PM

Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!


Poor poor abused pot plants.  The horror.
 
2013-06-19 02:49:38 PM

garandman1a: Supply and demand.

As a good conservative capitalist, I repeat LEGALIZE IT HERE in the US.

But I want some severe penalties for those a-holes who traffic in women. Plenty of women here willing to charge for it (or hell, give it away for free), as a trip to any nightclub will show you. Hopefully most people would rather pay more for a willing volunteer then get a savings from a sex slave.


Generally, customers want the "customer is always right" attitude.  So they prefer submissive hookers.  Some hookers have to be taught submissiveness or they won't be successful.  So pimps are doing them a favor, like a beneficent mentor.
 
2013-06-19 02:49:44 PM
The Speigel article that was the source of that story was interesting, but it seemed a little one-sided.

It seems like this is as much an immigration problem as anything.

I wonder if part of the reason the Swedish anti-prostitution laws are being so effective at reducing the number of prostitutes is that they're heading to Germany instead. I remember talking to a hooker in San Francisco that moved there from NYC because Giuliani was cracking down on them while Willie Brown was pretty much letting prostitution fly.
 
2013-06-19 02:50:20 PM

bwilson27: Yeah, but the word that begins with an A and ends with an L has gone up in price 100%.


Adderall? Hey boy howdy don't I know it. First I paid that seventh-grade kid $2 a pill and then I paid her $2.50 a pill and then I paid her $4 a pill and then she was an eighth grader and then I paid her $5 a pill and then her prescription ran out because her mom said the pills weren't helping her (probably because I was taking them all, ha ha! see they couldn't help her because she wasn't actually taking them because she was selling them to me) and now I had to find a totally different person to buy my Adderall from and this guy wasn't even in any grade at all because he was an adult and adults charge a lot more for Adderall I've noticed like this guy was charging me $10 and then it was $25 for two and that works out to $12.50 a piece so in fact I actually have to disagree with you because in my experience the price of the word that begins with A and ends with L has gone up in price 525% although I suppose now that I think about it you might not have been talking about Adderall at all let's see what are other words like that obviously we'd be talking about nouns here how about admiral aerogel airfoil alcohol amobarbital angel anthill animal anvil appeal approval archrival arsenal aspergill asphodel atlatl avowal awl axel okay I think that's most of them now we just have to research prices for all these things and see which has doubled in price and hey where are you going can I come with you wanna ride bikes?
 
2013-06-19 02:50:50 PM

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 465x93]

82,000,000 people in Germany, yeah, that million men pay for sex number seems low.


If you just look at German men from 16 up (that's how they break down the numbers), you end up with about 34 million.  60% of the country claim some sort of Christianity.  Even if you go with 1/3 of them as actually devout, you're now down to around 27 million.  So, yeah, you're talking about an average of once a month per non-Fundie, adult male.  That seems kind of reasonable to me.
 
2013-06-19 02:56:00 PM

meanmutton: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 465x93]

82,000,000 people in Germany, yeah, that million men pay for sex number seems low.

If you just look at German men from 16 up (that's how they break down the numbers), you end up with about 34 million.  60% of the country claim some sort of Christianity.  Even if you go with 1/3 of them as actually devout, you're now down to around 27 million.  So, yeah, you're talking about an average of once a month per non-Fundie, adult male.  That seems kind of reasonable to me.


Yeah, but the article also describes how Germany has become a mecca for sex tourists.
 
2013-06-19 02:57:08 PM

Dr Dreidel: Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!

You're saying that when pot becomes legal, the plants will necessarily come from broken fields and be locked into hellish Stockholm-Syndrome-y relationships with the sellers?

I must be missing something.


Rather, the low-level harvesters and retail salespeople will be subject to continually falling wages and working conditions as marijuana floods the marketplace.  It's an incredibly easy crop to produce and, after the marketing, it's basically a commodity.  The business owners will have no choice but to compete on price and there's no way they're taking a hit to their profitability without farking everyone lower down the trough first.
 
2013-06-19 02:57:36 PM

Shazam999: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

Yeah maybe that's because good looking girls don't want to prostitute themselves?  Jesus, have you seen the "pornstars without makeup" pictures?


The last time I saw one of those, it was 50 girls.  About 10 looked worse with makeup, 10 were horrible looking before, and the other 30 were rather attractive women who looked better in makeup.
 
2013-06-19 02:58:23 PM

semiotix: bwilson27: Yeah, but the word that begins with an A and ends with an L has gone up in price 100%.

Adderall? Hey boy howdy don't I know it. First I paid that seventh-grade kid $2 a pill and then I paid her $2.50 a pill and then I paid her $4 a pill and then she was an eighth grader and then I paid her $5 a pill and then her prescription ran out because her mom said the pills weren't helping her (probably because I was taking them all, ha ha! see they couldn't help her because she wasn't actually taking them because she was selling them to me) and now I had to find a totally different person to buy my Adderall from and this guy wasn't even in any grade at all because he was an adult and adults charge a lot more for Adderall I've noticed like this guy was charging me $10 and then it was $25 for two and that works out to $12.50 a piece so in fact I actually have to disagree with you because in my experience the price of the word that begins with A and ends with L has gone up in price 525% although I suppose now that I think about it you might not have been talking about Adderall at all let's see what are other words like that obviously we'd be talking about nouns here how about admiral aerogel airfoil alcohol amobarbital angel anthill animal anvil appeal approval archrival arsenal aspergill asphodel atlatl avowal awl axel okay I think that's most of them now we just have to research prices for all these things and see which has doubled in price and hey where are you going can I come with you wanna ride bikes?


You win!
 
2013-06-19 02:58:49 PM

garandman1a: Supply and demand.

As a good conservative capitalist, I repeat LEGALIZE IT HERE in the US.

But I want some severe penalties for those a-holes who traffic in women. Plenty of women here willing to charge for it (or hell, give it away for free), as a trip to any nightclub will show you. Hopefully most people would rather pay more for a willing volunteer then get a savings from a sex slave.


Did you just type that from your ipad? teehee.
 
2013-06-19 02:59:33 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: The primary argument against legalized prostitution in the US (contrary to whatever they claim their opposition is) is that once sex - like any other service - can be purchased, no strings attached, there will be almost next to no way that many men will but up with as much bullshiat as they do from the women in their lives.

Absent the power their pussy yields, tens of millions of vapid, needy, duplicitous American women who -simply because they might one day spread their legs for you - would basically be powerless and ignored.

There's no way they'd ever support anything which would strip them of, arguably, their only redeeming characteristic.


I feel sorry for you.  My wife is awesome and even having access to €30 prostitutes, I'd happily stay married.
 
2013-06-19 03:02:43 PM
There were a couple of prostitutes just outside the back gate, of the post when I was stationed in Hanau 1997-2000, who worked out of their cars. One was young and had a great body but a farked up grill, it looked like she had been chewing on rocks. The other was an old lady for the guys with the Oma fetish. They both did a pretty brisk business too. When they would get a john, they would get in his vehicle and drive down this little trail where you couldnt see. We would time them to see how long it took for them to finish and get back in their own cars.
 
GBB
2013-06-19 03:03:33 PM
Wrong, subby.  What you're thinking of ends with an O.

This guy knows what I'm talkin about.
 
2013-06-19 03:03:45 PM
As usual, excess criminal activity (people trafficking) surrounding otherwise legal prostitution are emphasized. Because just banning prostitution is easy. Stopping human trafficking is hard, and goes against the grain of the oh-so-holy pan-European thought.
 
2013-06-19 03:03:52 PM
'One woman here will even do it for a Big Mac.'

you sure it was a woman?


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 03:05:57 PM
Apparently Michael Bluth now works for Time Magazine.
 
2013-06-19 03:06:25 PM

whither_apophis: Pretty sure prostitution was legal before 2002. I remember Hamburg had a red light district on 1987.


I recall being there in the mid 90's and it was legal. Last time I was there was about 2000 and it was pretty cheap then, I don't remember the exact exchange rate but you could get the full service for about $20-$30, and I'm not talking about some skanky crack whore either.
 
2013-06-19 03:06:25 PM
One of the classic arguments for legalizing prostitution is that recognizing and regulating the world's oldest profession would improve the conditions of sex workers. Instead, recent reports paint legalized prostitution in Germany largely as a failure.

In May, Der Spiegel published a series of stories highlighting the atrocious conditions endured by prostitutes in Germany, some of whom say they arrived in the country against their will.


So perhaps they should think about enforcing laws about kidnapping and slavery, then. Just a thought.
 
2013-06-19 03:07:56 PM

FARK rebel soldier: What cheap German prostitution might buy you
[img.fark.net image 550x412]


Or...

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 03:09:35 PM

SlothB77: blow jobj?


This. Ends with a B dumbmitter.
 
2013-06-19 03:12:31 PM

groppet: But with the price of airfare and hotel wouldnt that just nulify the savings?


You'll just have to buy in bulk.

/I'm already running the figures...
 
2013-06-19 03:12:44 PM

ReapTheChaos: whither_apophis: Pretty sure prostitution was legal before 2002. I remember Hamburg had a red light district on 1987.

I recall being there in the mid 90's and it was legal. Last time I was there was about 2000 and it was pretty cheap then, I don't remember the exact exchange rate but you could get the full service for about $20-$30, and I'm not talking about some skanky crack whore either.


Marble Palace or whatever it was called in Frankfurt?
 
2013-06-19 03:14:09 PM

tricycleracer: The business owners will have no choice but to compete on price and there's no way they're taking a hit to their profitability without farking everyone lower down the trough first.


You're saying that there will be consequences to that legal action (making pot legal), some are knowable and some are not?

Congratu-farking-lations. You're a master prognosticator.

// subjecting a previously-illegal product to the legal economy will change the economics of how that product is produced, priced, distributed and sold (when compared to the black market)?
// knock me over with an RNA-fart
 
2013-06-19 03:16:41 PM

whither_apophis: Pretty sure prostitution was legal before 2002. I remember Hamburg had a red light district on 1987.

/one damn year! But no we gotta do the school exchange in '87...


It was not legal, but just not criminalized. They had maps showing where hookers would hang out, where the brothels were etc., but it wasn't legal in that the sex workers were not given an actual wage and there were no pensions and such, like any other fully legal professions. Now, it's completely legal with an equivalent to a W2 or perhaps a 1099 (probably a W2).
 
2013-06-19 03:17:46 PM

Dr Dreidel: tricycleracer: The business owners will have no choice but to compete on price and there's no way they're taking a hit to their profitability without farking everyone lower down the trough first.

You're saying that there will be consequences to that legal action (making pot legal), some are knowable and some are not?

Congratu-farking-lations. You're a master prognosticator.

// subjecting a previously-illegal product to the legal economy will change the economics of how that product is produced, priced, distributed and sold (when compared to the black market)?
// knock me over with an RNA-fart


At this point, I have no idea what your original argument was.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:33 PM

dericwater: Now, it's completely legal with an equivalent to a W2 or perhaps a 1099 (probably a W2).


It's called WW2 in Germany.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:20 PM
"Schlongengoblen" neither begins with a "b" or ends with a "j", assmitter.
 
2013-06-19 03:21:03 PM
This was the intent of the Citizens United decision. Political bribery becomes legal and the cost of buying a pol goes down.
 
2013-06-19 03:23:19 PM

jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.


pretty much, yeah.  There's certainly a market for "premium" Hookers just like there is for Premium gas, but if the looks of the average hooker mattered to the average John, the kind of women I've seen in hooker mugshots wouldn;t be in the business.

Not to get too moralistic on the whole thing, but once you are reduced to buying sex from an anonymous women, you've kinda stripped out all the "ups& extras" that come with sex and a hole is frankly a hole.  (which is what I honestly don't get about street level prostitution-could it honestly feel any better than jerking it to some porn?)
 
2013-06-19 03:24:01 PM

tricycleracer: Dr Dreidel: Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!

You're saying that when pot becomes legal, the plants will necessarily come from broken fields and be locked into hellish Stockholm-Syndrome-y relationships with the sellers?

I must be missing something.

Rather, the low-level harvesters and retail salespeople will be subject to continually falling wages and working conditions as marijuana floods the marketplace.  It's an incredibly easy crop to produce and, after the marketing, it's basically a commodity.  The business owners will have no choice but to compete on price and there's no way they're taking a hit to their profitability without farking everyone lower down the trough first.


Pretty much true for most other non-synthetic drugs. Very easy to produce. Once they're legalized, the drug lords will be out of a job.
 
2013-06-19 03:35:41 PM

tricycleracer: At this point, I have no idea what your original argument was.


Your response to my OP was to presume that legalizing pot would have unintended consequences. Just like pretty much every law ever passed ever (my response to your response).
 
2013-06-19 03:35:54 PM

Magorn: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

pretty much, yeah.  There's certainly a market for "premium" Hookers just like there is for Premium gas, but if the looks of the average hooker mattered to the average John, the kind of women I've seen in hooker mugshots wouldn;t be in the business.

Not to get too moralistic on the whole thing, but once you are reduced to buying sex from an anonymous women, you've kinda stripped out all the "ups& extras" that come with sex and a hole is frankly a hole.  (which is what I honestly don't get about street level prostitution-could it honestly feel any better than jerking it to some porn?)


At the very least, some one else is doing the work.
 
2013-06-19 03:40:56 PM
So, they're running Blue Light Red Light Specials, then?
 
2013-06-19 03:42:55 PM

Shazam999: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

Yeah maybe that's because good looking girls don't want to prostitute themselves?  Jesus, have you seen the "pornstars without makeup" pictures?



I don't know what kind of pr0n you're watching but there are some gorgeous girls in the pr0n I'm watching.
 
2013-06-19 03:46:11 PM

Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore


No, that's not what monopolistic competition is.  You're thinking of perfect competition.  Monopolistic competition involves differentiated products and non-price competition.  MC can resemble anything between perfect competition and oligopoly.

Gas stations  can be something approximating perfect competition (depending on location).  Smart phones -- say, Samsung vs Apple -- are monopolistically competitive.  Differentiated by specs and software, some pricing power, lots of marketing, subject to customer loyalty, etc.
 
2013-06-19 03:46:13 PM
If you can get sex for a Big Mac in Germany , what can you get for the meal combo with fries and a soda? If you throw in an apple pie, can you make a snuff film?
 
2013-06-19 03:46:45 PM

tricycleracer: Dr Dreidel: Chach: Huh. More prostitution means more abused women leading lower quality lives?

Who could've seen THAT coming! Also when pot becomes legal everywhere will be utopia!

You're saying that when pot becomes legal, the plants will necessarily come from broken fields and be locked into hellish Stockholm-Syndrome-y relationships with the sellers?

I must be missing something.

Rather, the low-level harvesters and retail salespeople will be subject to continually falling wages and working conditions as marijuana floods the marketplace.  It's an incredibly easy crop to produce and, after the marketing, it's basically a commodity.  The business owners will have no choice but to compete on price and there's no way they're taking a hit to their profitability without farking everyone lower down the trough first.


easy peasy fix .. just like how most farkers get there rocks off .. DIY

/grow your own
//easy to do
///there's a reason it's called 'weed'
 
2013-06-19 03:47:22 PM

Twitch Boy: Bij? The Klingon punishment ritual?


That costs extra.
 
2013-06-19 03:50:07 PM
Germany was having trouble - oh, what a sad, sad, story;
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory.
Where, Oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around, and then we found the man for you and me...
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-06-19 03:52:23 PM
Does the cost decrease correspond with the quality of the...German...prostitute?  Did I just answer my own question?
 
2013-06-19 03:52:31 PM

Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore


Wrong. Young  + Hot = higher quality = higher demand = higher price.
 
2013-06-19 03:54:29 PM
Big Vaj?
 
2013-06-19 03:54:32 PM

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: If you can get sex for a Big Mac in Germany , what can you get for the meal combo with fries and a soda? If you throw in an apple pie, can you make a snuff film?


Add another Big Mac and the snuff film is inevitable.
 
2013-06-19 03:57:14 PM

Magorn: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

pretty much, yeah.  There's certainly a market for "premium" Hookers just like there is for Premium gas, but if the looks of the average hooker mattered to the average John, the kind of women I've seen in hooker mugshots wouldn;t be in the business.

Not to get too moralistic on the whole thing, but once you are reduced to buying sex from an anonymous women, you've kinda stripped out all the "ups& extras" that come with sex and a hole is frankly a hole.  (which is what I honestly don't get about street level prostitution-could it honestly feel any better than jerking it to some porn?)


Not that I'd ever hire a prostitute, but hooker mugshots typically seem to be drug addicts who hook for drug money.  They are going typically going to be working in low-income areas and frequented by low-income individuals who are more concerned with cost than looks or even STD status.  I'm sure you can get a BJ (BTW, I'm guessing subby was simply referring to "BJ", headline never says it's a word) for a Big Mac in the US, too.

In a legalized environment it's going to be much easier for individuals are who more concerned with STD status and attractiveness than price to find what they're looking for without concern for getting arrested.
 
2013-06-19 04:03:10 PM
Pookie will blow you for a rock.
 
2013-06-19 04:11:47 PM
Bu Jin?
 
2013-06-19 04:12:33 PM

Magorn: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

pretty much, yeah.  There's certainly a market for "premium" Hookers just like there is for Premium gas, but if the looks of the average hooker mattered to the average John, the kind of women I've seen in hooker mugshots wouldn;t be in the business.

Not to get too moralistic on the whole thing, but once you are reduced to buying sex from an anonymous women, you've kinda stripped out all the "ups& extras" that come with sex and a hole is frankly a hole.  (which is what I honestly don't get about street level prostitution-could it honestly feel any better than jerking it to some porn?)


My take on this.  The less attractive ones are most likely less discrete and the guys that patronize them are most likely less discrete too.  They most likely just get caught a whole lot more than the 'higher class' girls, leading to far more mug shots from them than the attractive ones.

Higher class ones often only entertain visiting guys in decent neighborhoods or at upscale hotels and will often dress smartly rather than trashy.  Less likely to draw the attention of someone who might call the cops.
 
2013-06-19 04:19:19 PM
(haven't yet read the article)

???

bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com
Amirite?

(RTFA)

Well, sort of ...
 
2013-06-19 04:35:49 PM
I wonder what kind of hit they'll take when all of the American troops leave?
 
2013-06-19 04:42:48 PM

Odd Bird: SlothB77: blow jobj?

beej
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=beej

/not subby


Oh.  So Subby's a hipster.  Got it.
 
2013-06-19 05:01:33 PM
Boys Jammies?
And if they were down about 75%
That would enough

/sorry
//over there? sure I'll take a seat
 
2013-06-19 05:11:20 PM
The crux of this article is basically "DEY TAKIN UR JERBS" with a moral panic thrown in.

Here I thought Germans were ruthless about over-regulating everything, and yet we have an example of legalization without effective regulation. This is what happens when you let the mob do your regulating for you!
 
2013-06-19 05:12:37 PM
ya know peeps.

if you are gonna make fun of the headline.. dont make fun of yourself.

starts with a b and ends with a j is not BOY JAMMIES of Bu Jin.. or any of the others it  might be
Big Mooj.  though.


see// that ends with a j.. as opposed to STARTING the second word with a J
 
2013-06-19 05:16:34 PM

meanmutton: Shazam999: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

Yeah maybe that's because good looking girls don't want to prostitute themselves?  Jesus, have you seen the "pornstars without makeup" pictures?

The last time I saw one of those, it was 50 girls.  About 10 looked worse with makeup, 10 were horrible looking before, and the other 30 were rather attractive women who looked better in makeup.


The only one that looked nice without makeup was Elle Alexandra.   The rest looked like meth addicts.  Maybe because they are.  Just sayin'.
 
2013-06-19 05:17:48 PM

mr0x: Shazam999: jaybeezey: Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics.  Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.

Once prosittuion becomes legal, the sex trade market is subject to "monopolistic competition"  which, despite its somewhat misleading name is the term for a lot of small businesses selling  a nearly indistinguishable product (think gas stations as an example)  the only thing they have to really compete on is price, so market pressures drive their prices to be nearly equal and as low as possible to allow the competitors to stay in business.  (the average gas station makes 1-2 cents per gallon on thier gas)

Since there are really no "wholesale" costs to the suppliers of sex, this means that their prices will freefall to levels that with eventually collapse the market as no one can make a living at it anymore

So you're saying that the market has decided that all women's mouths are the same and a better looking whore doesn't neccessarily make better money.

Yeah maybe that's because good looking girls don't want to prostitute themselves?  Jesus, have you seen the "pornstars without makeup" pictures?


I don't know what kind of pr0n you're watching but there are some gorgeous girls in the pr0n I'm watching.


Bree Olson:

i.huffpost.com

Makeup does wonders.
 
2013-06-19 06:01:20 PM
anyone else think of all the women moving to Germany in hopes of having a Pretty Woman experience; some guy looking for sex finds love and takes her out of the hell of her life and makes a place in his heart for her...

/am I a romantic, or just twisted?
//Shazam99, that's not bree olson in the upper right.  Nice try, though.
///isn't Sunny Lane doing the porn thing in order to raise her standing for the prostitution circuit(a la bunny ranch)?
 
2013-06-19 06:12:40 PM

garandman1a: Supply and demand.

As a good conservative capitalist, I repeat LEGALIZE IT HERE in the US.

But I want some severe penalties for those a-holes who traffic in women. Plenty of women here willing to charge for it (or hell, give it away for free), as a trip to any nightclub will show you. Hopefully most people would rather pay more for a willing volunteer then get a savings from a sex slave.


You mean legalize it in your state, because it's already legal in one of the 49. Although I hear it doesn't really improve the situation for the actual sex workers.
 
2013-06-19 06:13:53 PM
Glendale:

You mean legalize it in your state, because it's already legal in one of the 49 50. Although I hear it doesn't really improve the situation for the actual sex workers.

Yay I counted to potato.
 
2013-06-19 06:33:56 PM

Magorn: jaybeezey: Magorn:

Not to get too moralistic on the whole thing, but once you are reduced to buying sex from an anonymous women, you've kinda stripped out all the "ups& extras" that come with sex and a hole is frankly a hole.  (which is what I honestly don't get about street level prostitution-could it honestly feel any better than jerking it to some porn?)



Your mileage may vary and perhaps I'm doing it wrong, but the worst pussy I've ever had was still more pleasurable than the manual option.
 
2013-06-19 06:57:53 PM

Trance354: anyone else think of all the women moving to Germany in hopes of having a Pretty Woman experience; some guy looking for sex finds love and takes her out of the hell of her life and makes a place in his heart for her...

/am I a romantic, or just twisted?
//Shazam99, that's not bree olson in the upper right.  Nice try, though.
///isn't Sunny Lane doing the porn thing in order to raise her standing for the prostitution circuit(a la bunny ranch)?


Yes, it's Bree Olson.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

You could try using Google to verify.  I know, it's very hard to use.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ynkv8
 
2013-06-19 08:34:58 PM

Shazam999: Trance354: anyone else think of all the women moving to Germany in hopes of having a Pretty Woman experience; some guy looking for sex finds love and takes her out of the hell of her life and makes a place in his heart for her...

/am I a romantic, or just twisted?
//Shazam99, that's not bree olson in the upper right.  Nice try, though.
///isn't Sunny Lane doing the porn thing in order to raise her standing for the prostitution circuit(a la bunny ranch)?

Yes, it's Bree Olson.  Sorry to burst your bubble.

You could try using Google to verify.  I know, it's very hard to use.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ynkv8


I did... google fu is not a strong suit, but it still doesn't look like her.  Even in the "ugly" pics I found, she's rather farkable.  the upper right pic looks more like one of the comics on the daily show than ms Olson.  Agree to disagree, I guess.  I'll stay in my bubble...
 
2013-06-19 08:57:40 PM
God bless Molly Luft.
 
2013-06-19 09:04:10 PM

Magorn: This right here is a lesson in modern economics. Some commodities are so naturally plentiful that a profit can be made selling them only if an an aritfical market barrier is erected that severly limits the supply.


hehehe you said erected
 
2013-06-19 09:27:03 PM

Krieghund: The Speigel article that was the source of that story was interesting, but it seemed a little one-sided.

It seems like this is as much an immigration problem as anything.

I wonder if part of the reason the Swedish anti-prostitution laws are being so effective at reducing the number of prostitutes is that they're heading to Germany instead. I remember talking to a hooker in San Francisco that moved there from NYC because Giuliani was cracking down on them while Willie Brown was pretty much letting prostitution fly.



You TALK to your hookers? Dude, not cool. Now she's going to expect it from the rest of us...
 
2013-06-19 09:41:44 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I wonder what kind of hit they'll take when all of the American troops leave?


When are we going to make a trip to the Tropicina?
 
2013-06-19 10:08:16 PM

dericwater: Pretty much true for most other non-synthetic drugs. Very easy to produce. Once they're legalized, the drug lords will be out of a job.


An econ-blogger I follow points out that the difference between the productivity of modern industrial-scale farming, vs. even sophisticated hidden grow-ops, is huge. As in fully legal pot being as cheap as sugar.

/I'll have 2 packets of weed in my coffee, thanks
 
2013-06-20 12:06:51 AM
Wow, prices have gone down like a German prostitute on coupon night.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-06-20 12:28:12 AM
Woah! Where's my gaddam passport?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-06-20 12:30:10 AM

basemetal: Oktoberfest and a hay ride, sounds like a vacation.


"Roll in ze hay"
 
2013-06-20 01:53:17 AM
Been legal or at least decriminalized since at least the early 70's. Ask an old soldier about the Stuttgart Dreifarbenhaus.

/Not that I would know anything about it.
//BOOMSEN!!
 
2013-06-20 06:17:13 AM
10 euros instead of 40, woo, you're saving money!

...until you consider how many women there are who do something else for a living, and do the sex just for fun / because they like it, at no charge...
 
2013-06-20 07:07:55 AM
BJ's wholesale club?

images.businessweek.com
 
2013-06-20 02:27:42 PM
Local chain:

cavalier92.typepad.com
 
2013-06-20 07:30:36 PM

Gullyborg: Local chain:


Pretty good brew, food was meh.
 
2013-06-20 08:18:46 PM
i don't think i could go to a place called BJ's cause the whole time i would be thinking of semen
 
2013-06-20 09:13:56 PM
hump DAY!!!

img.fark.net
 
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