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2013-06-19 09:40:50 AM  
It's been too late to stop it for years.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:12 AM  
Prepare for it?  I'm planning to profit from it.
 
2013-06-19 10:22:02 AM  

unlikely: It's been too late to stop it for years.


Pretty much.  We could still take steps to mitigate it, but we won't.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:06 AM  

unyon: Prepare for it?  I'm planning to profit from it.


Construction industry right?

I mean where else are we gonna go when super hurricanes engulf the planet other than under ground
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 10:37:56 AM  

unlikely: It's been too late to stop it for years.


Yep.  Too many arse-holes like those Kock brothers who won't let anything get in the way of their profits.
 
2013-06-19 10:38:27 AM  
I'm buying some beachfront property in Des Moines, IA. I heard it's a pretty happening place for young, broke singles.
 
2013-06-19 10:38:34 AM  
This has been proceeding exactly as I predicted:

1. It isn't happening you hippy dipwads!
2. OK, it is happening, but we don't have anything to do with it libtards!
3. OK, we have something to do with it, but it is too late to do anything about it! And it is you librul's fault for telling me otherwise!
 
2013-06-19 10:39:20 AM  
So I should start buying up future coastal property now?

/lives in Raleigh
//we're going to be a coastal city, yay!
///oh wait...
 
2013-06-19 10:40:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm buying some beachfront property in Des Moines, IA. I heard it's a pretty happening place for young, broke singles.


I've got future beach front property on the bluffs overlooking the Mississippi.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:11 AM  
I own air conditioners.

I am prepared.

How hard was that?
 
2013-06-19 10:41:52 AM  
Can I exhale now?
 
2013-06-19 10:42:18 AM  

nekom: unlikely: It's been too late to stop it for years.

Pretty much.  We could still take steps to mitigate it, but we won't.


Something something never bet against the stupidity something something?

/mah bucket in mah SUV.
 
2013-06-19 10:42:39 AM  
I for one, welcome our CO2 overlords.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:02 AM  
The worst part of Global Warming: the din of Republican whining is getting louder.

Which of these ear plug would be more fun in bed? I'm sure an episode of Wilfred would feature the string one.


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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 10:44:28 AM  

CheatCommando: This has been proceeding exactly as I predicted:

1. It isn't happening you hippy dipwads!
2. OK, it is happening, but we don't have anything to do with it libtards!
3. OK, we have something to do with it, but it is too late to do anything about it! And it is you librul's fault for telling me otherwise!


That was pretty obviously the strategy.  The "climate change denial" people know it's a fact, it's just that they don't want carbon emissions restrictions to be the solution because it might cost them money.

They don't have to win the argument, just stall it for long enough that preventing the problem isn't an option.
.
 
2013-06-19 10:47:56 AM  
Pretty much.

Now the political backlash against it will be more of "Why do we have to prepare for something that isn't happening?" instead of "Scientists are getting paid to bullshiat us".

The American people are going to be more or less ok (from a "we're surviving standpoint").  Yeah, people are going to be pissed their toys have become to expensive to buy and maintain (cars, boats, 4-wheelers, etc. being the biggest items) and that food is more expensive.

America is also probably going to go through an even more severe xenophobic and isolationist phase if there are lots more refugees that want to come here.

We need to stop focusing on self denial though.  The majority of the sustainability movement IMHO is about denying yourself goods and pleasures because "They're bad for the planet".
 
2013-06-19 10:49:07 AM  
So I have to fight-off gators as well as bears & wolves in my backyard?

/Canuckian
 
2013-06-19 10:49:10 AM  
I saw some footage from Venice the other day.  They have elevated walkways all over the city because of constant flooding.  For some reason it made me smile to see it.  Most humans will survive... the rest of the higher species... I dunno.
 
2013-06-19 10:49:27 AM  
Where I live used to be covered by a mile of ice.  So, yes, the climate has always been changing, and we have always been needing to adapt to it.
 
2013-06-19 10:49:34 AM  

vpb: CheatCommando: This has been proceeding exactly as I predicted:

1. It isn't happening you hippy dipwads!
2. OK, it is happening, but we don't have anything to do with it libtards!
3. OK, we have something to do with it, but it is too late to do anything about it! And it is you librul's fault for telling me otherwise!

That was pretty obviously the strategy.  The "climate change denial" people know it's a fact, it's just that they don't want carbon emissions restrictions to be the solution because it might cost them money.

They don't have to win the argument, just stall it for long enough that preventing the problem isn't an option.


There is WAAAAAAAAY more money behind pretending the greenhouse theory is true than there is behind proving the fact that it is not.

Give that a think.
 
2013-06-19 10:49:49 AM  

vpb: CheatCommando: This has been proceeding exactly as I predicted:

1. It isn't happening you hippy dipwads!
2. OK, it is happening, but we don't have anything to do with it libtards!
3. OK, we have something to do with it, but it is too late to do anything about it! And it is you librul's fault for telling me otherwise!

That was pretty obviously the strategy.  The "climate change denial" people know it's a fact, it's just that they don't want carbon emissions restrictions to be the solution because it might cost them money.

They don't have to win the argument, just stall it for long enough that preventing the problem isn't an option.
.


Kind of like big government supporters. Refuse to see the problem, because it may cost them welfare money.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:14 AM  

CheatCommando: This has been proceeding exactly as I predicted:

1. It isn't happening you hippy dipwads!
2. OK, it is happening, but we don't have anything to do with it libtards!
3. OK, we have something to do with it, but it is too late to do anything about it! And it is you librul's fault for telling me otherwise!


Meh, you didn't even get step 1 right.
The climate has been changing for millions and millions of years (6,000 years for other people).
 
2013-06-19 10:50:22 AM  
If it makes everyone feel better, the desert is still just as hot and dry as it usually is.

/Las Vegas
//What's weather?
 
2013-06-19 10:52:13 AM  
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2013-06-19 10:52:58 AM  

unlikely: It's been too late to stop it for years.


This.  Best thing to mitigate it is raising living standards in the impoverished countries.  Also, conserve more, and we're doing a good job of that as it, relative to other countries (mainly because we are so far above the curve that we have more room to improve, but I digress).  But we can certainly do more.

And in the bigger picture, our nature conservation strategies as a whole have to become more dynamic.  Nature isn't static, we can't maintain our wild lands to match some sort of idealized vision we have of what America used to look like.  Nature is all about boom and bust.  We need to accept that and accept that species are going to be migrating north as the temps gradually increase.
 
2013-06-19 10:53:09 AM  

AngryDragon:


You're going to shoot your cans open?
 
2013-06-19 10:55:31 AM  
Ah, preppers! Eat loads of canned goods then off to the mall for a rampage.
 
2013-06-19 10:55:41 AM  

AngryDragon: [img.fark.net image 448x336]
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You forgot the whiskey.  In an apocalypse, people are going to want to get bent, whiskey keeps virtually forever and will be a top commodity.  All those people who bought gold will be sorely disappointed.  You can't eat it or get high from it, useless metal is useless.
 
2013-06-19 10:55:51 AM  

meat0918: Pretty much.

Now the political backlash against it will be more of "Why do we have to prepare for something that isn't happening?" instead of "Scientists are getting paid to bullshiat us".

The American people are going to be more or less ok (from a "we're surviving standpoint").  Yeah, people are going to be pissed their toys have become to expensive to buy and maintain (cars, boats, 4-wheelers, etc. being the biggest items) and that food is more expensive.

America is also probably going to go through an even more severe xenophobic and isolationist phase if there are lots more refugees that want to come here.

We need to stop focusing on self denial though.  The majority of the sustainability movement IMHO is about denying yourself goods and pleasures because "They're bad for the planet".


Yep.  There was never enough motivation in America to do anything because for the most part, except for a few cities, the US can handle a sea rise of 2 ft (especially the West coast), and an increase of a few degrees.  Some areas will have drought, and some will get more rain, but life will go on.  It's not enough for most people to point out how some poor countries around the world will be screwed and have to possibly leave there homes altogether.  It's part of the "I got mine f-- you" mentality that is so popular.
 
2013-06-19 10:56:17 AM  

Eapoe6: Give that a think


The phrase you're groping for is "study it out".
 
2013-06-19 10:57:23 AM  
I suspect we're going to ultimately use some of the "In case of global warming, break glass" plans that I've seen. (Though at least the people designing them have gone "These are probably going to have some other unforseen effect that we may not yet have figured out. These should prooobaabblly be a LAST RESORT sort of thing.")
 
2013-06-19 10:58:07 AM  
The threat to Florida is real, an entire state submerged, millions of people are at risk! The time to close borders and limit refugees is now!

/unless they all just stop in Alabama.
//Take one for the team 'Bama.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:23 AM  

lewismarktwo: I saw some footage from Venice the other day.  They have elevated walkways all over the city because of constant flooding.  For some reason it made me smile to see it.  Most humans will survive... the rest of the higher species... I dunno.


I'm just glad I got to see Venice before it sinks. As for future generations...I'll just borrow a phrase from my parents generation, and say "fark them, I got mine"

/the whole place smelled like a sewer anyway
 
2013-06-19 11:00:14 AM  
It's been estimated numerous times that adapting, especially since it would be done slowly over decades, would be cheaper then prevention.

Besides, a warmer climate is not necessarily a bad thing.  Most crops love warmer weather and longer growing seasons, and while it may lead to more super storms (hurricanes and large tornadoes) , super storms have always been a reality.  They will still be rare local events, but with proper zoning, and construction, they may just become a nuisance.
 
2013-06-19 11:00:40 AM  
About time. We'll adapt.
 
2013-06-19 11:02:55 AM  

nekom: AngryDragon: [img.fark.net image 448x336]
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You forgot the whiskey.  In an apocalypse, people are going to want to get bent, whiskey keeps virtually forever and will be a top commodity.  All those people who bought gold will be sorely disappointed.  You can't eat it or get high from it, useless metal is useless.


Whiskey is easy to make, or any spirits actually.  I would think honestly that machined or manufactured parts that require no power would be highly valued.  Hand drills, cast tools, hand generators, etc.
 
2013-06-19 11:04:09 AM  

AngryDragon: nekom: AngryDragon: [img.fark.net image 448x336]
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You forgot the whiskey.  In an apocalypse, people are going to want to get bent, whiskey keeps virtually forever and will be a top commodity.  All those people who bought gold will be sorely disappointed.  You can't eat it or get high from it, useless metal is useless.

Whiskey is easy to make, or any spirits actually.  I would think honestly that machined or manufactured parts that require no power would be highly valued.  Hand drills, cast tools, hand generators, etc.


You have a copper still?  Where's a good place to buy the parts for something robust that can distill liquids without breaking the bank?
 
2013-06-19 11:04:23 AM  
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... And the bad thing as well.
 
2013-06-19 11:05:19 AM  
I've already got a sawed-off shotty and The Last of the V8 Interceptors. Bring it on!
 
2013-06-19 11:05:46 AM  

spiderpaz: Yep.  There was never enough motivation in America to do anything because for the most part, except for a few cities, the US can handle a sea rise of 2 ft (especially the West coast), and an increase of a few degrees.  Some areas will have drought, and some will get more rain, but life will go on.  It's not enough for most people to point out how some poor countries around the world will be screwed and have to possibly leave there homes altogether.  It's part of the "I got mine f-- you" mentality that is so popular.


A 2' rise will wipe out the Outer Banks and other coastal barrier islands, flood most of Florida and southern Louisiana, flood large amounts of coastal NC, SC, GA and the Gulf States, enlarge the Chesapeake Bay especially on the east side, transform hundreds of square miles of productive farmland into saltwater/brackish marshes, force the relocation of somewhere around 30 million Americans and disrupt billions in the nation's economy. Yeah, that's not so bad, is it?
 
2013-06-19 11:05:58 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): The climate has been changing for millions and millions of years (6,000 years for other people).

Lightning causes forest fires all the time.  Therefore I don't need to douse my camp fire.
 
2013-06-19 11:07:52 AM  
Half of Congress "believes" global warming and evolution are fake.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 11:08:05 AM  
Eapoe6:

There is WAAAAAAAAY more money behind pretending the greenhouse theory is true than there is behind proving the fact that it is not.

Give that a think.


OK.  I did.

I think you are an idiot.
 
2013-06-19 11:08:21 AM  
AngryDragon:
Whiskey is easy to make, or any spirits actually.  I would think honestly that machined or manufactured parts that require no power would be highly valued.  Hand drills, cast tools, hand generators, etc.

Absolutely good manual tools will be in high demand.  Making whiskey, however, does require a good bit of energy AND uses up valuable grains that could otherwise be used for foods.  Books would also be great to have, everything from encyclopedias to playboys.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 11:09:12 AM  

oldfarthenry: Ah, preppers! Eat loads of canned goods then off to the mall for a rampage.


The funny thing is that hoarding is usually outlawed when food is rationed.
 
2013-06-19 11:09:33 AM  

Eapoe6: There is WAAAAAAAAY more money behind pretending the greenhouse theory is true than there is behind proving the fact that it is not.


This is what wingnuts actually believe.
 
2013-06-19 11:10:48 AM  

AngryDragon: [img.fark.net image 448x336]
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Needs more Beano.
 
2013-06-19 11:11:37 AM  

AngryDragon: Whiskey is easy to make, or any spirits actually. I would think honestly that machined or manufactured parts that require no power would be highly valued. Hand drills, cast tools, hand generators, etc.


Coffee!
Freeze dried is better than nothing and people will sell their daughters for it. (not that I'll be in that sort of market)  Generally the ability to make power is directly proportional to quality of life.  It makes everything else easier.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:05 AM  

FLMountainMan: unlikely: It's been too late to stop it for years.

This.  Best thing to mitigate it is raising living standards in the impoverished countries.


No the best thing to do would be to nuke the impoverished countries. One, it would stop their production of greenhouse gasses. Two it would stop their use of non-renewable resources. Three, it would ease population problems. Four, the dust kicked up by the bombs would cool the Earth for years giving the developed countries time to move to greener technology.
 
2013-06-19 11:14:03 AM  
Shucky darn dang!  It's a lib'rul consipra-YEEEEEE-HAAAAAAW!!!

/got nothin
 
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