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2013-06-19 11:08:52 AM  
The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.
 
2013-06-19 12:49:08 PM  
WANT!

I've seen every episode of Dr. Who ever made, that wasn't lost.
 
2013-06-19 12:54:21 PM  
If they arrived in 2011 why is it taking so long to go public? They wouldn't need to keep it a secret until they were restored, and advance publicity would be a good thing.

Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....
 
2013-06-19 01:12:35 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....


I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.
 
2013-06-19 01:27:39 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....

I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.


Well you see it's from -- OHHHHHHHHHHHHH I see what you did there.
 
2013-06-19 02:14:21 PM  

Walker: WANT!

I've seen every episode of Dr. Who ever made, that wasn't lost.


How many are lost? The rumor is they found 90.
 
2013-06-19 02:19:48 PM  

Triumph: Walker: WANT!

I've seen every episode of Dr. Who ever made, that wasn't lost.

How many are lost? The rumor is they found 90.


106 currently missing.
 
2013-06-19 02:20:25 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....

I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.


The Silents/Silence - some alien race that had been controlling humanity but everyone would forget everything about them wherever they were no longer looking at them.
 
2013-06-19 02:23:09 PM  

xria: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....

I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.

The Silents/Silence - some alien race that had been controlling humanity but everyone would forget everything about them wherever they were no longer looking at them.


Sorry: seen a lot of Doctor Who, never heard of them.
 
2013-06-19 02:24:27 PM  
Yeah, but it's British tons, which is only like 2 stone each, so it's like around 4 tyres.
 
2013-06-19 02:25:42 PM  
I'd like to see Clara "off-again," if you know what I mean.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 02:38:04 PM  
Did I actually see some of these on PBS in the 1980s, or am I imagining them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes#List_of_los t_ episodes
 
2013-06-19 02:39:16 PM  
 
2013-06-19 02:39:46 PM  
mrpopat.com

I'm not feeling as wibbly wobbly as I was.
 
2013-06-19 02:46:58 PM  

deeproy: The on again off again rumor that is on again is now off... again...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/19/bbc-officially-responds-to-bl ee ding-cool-over-doctor-who-rumours/


No, that's nothing.

I mean, do you think the BBC would tell a random comic book muckraker "Hells Yeah we gots 90 missing episodes!!!"

No, they said they can't confirm anything, which is standard corporate speak for "fark off, we'll tell you something when we're damn well good and ready."
 
2013-06-19 03:05:07 PM  
Wake me when the episodes are in the hands of someone representing the BBC.
 
2013-06-19 03:15:38 PM  
It's on again?

img.fark.net

 Finally we'll get to see the fate of the NCC-1701!
 
2013-06-19 03:39:53 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.


Watching a boil get lanced would have been better than almost all of season 7.  Even Gaiman shiat a brick; that's how bad it was.

That said, as Troughton has been my favorite Doctor (and Jamie one of the best companions), I do hope that this is true.  I won't be holding my breath, though.

\saving up, just in case
 
2013-06-19 03:53:05 PM  

Jackpot777: xria: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....

I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.

The Silents/Silence - some alien race that had been controlling humanity but everyone would forget everything about them wherever they were no longer looking at them.

Sorry: seen a lot of Doctor Who, never heard of them.


Nope, me neither. By the way, has anyone else had weird black marks inexplicably appearing all over their arms and legs? Weird thing, they look exactly like tally symbols.
 
2013-06-19 03:56:22 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.

Watching a boil get lanced would have been better than almost all of season 7.  Even Gaiman shiat a brick; that's how bad it was.


It is very hard to believe that anyone would write a story featuring the Doctor where he would put children in harms way (in 2013) when he could knowingly avoid it--but there it is.  Some elements of the ep were very Gaiman--but some it seemed like someone messed it up on purpose.
 
2013-06-19 03:57:31 PM  

Rhypskallion: whizbangthedirtfarmer: FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.

Watching a boil get lanced would have been better than almost all of season 7.  Even Gaiman shiat a brick; that's how bad it was.

It is very hard to believe that anyone would write a story featuring the Doctor where he would put children in harms way (in 2013) when he could knowingly avoid it--but there it is.  Some elements of the ep were very Gaiman--but some it seemed like someone messed it up on purpose.


His name is Steven Moffat.
 
2013-06-19 04:04:02 PM  
whizbangthedirtfarmer:

His name is Steven Moffat.

It seems likely. He needs to go do Sherlock full time, and they need a new Doctor Who showrunner.   ASAP.   I can totally believe Moffat resented how well received Gaiman's ep was, and messed up the followup purposefully.    I can't PROVE it--but I can find it very believable.
 
2013-06-19 04:09:56 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Rhypskallion: whizbangthedirtfarmer: FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.

Watching a boil get lanced would have been better than almost all of season 7.  Even Gaiman shiat a brick; that's how bad it was.

It is very hard to believe that anyone would write a story featuring the Doctor where he would put children in harms way (in 2013) when he could knowingly avoid it--but there it is.  Some elements of the ep were very Gaiman--but some it seemed like someone messed it up on purpose.

His name is Steven Moffat.


People blame Steven Moffat, but think how awful the Russel J. Davies stuff was by the end.  The "Doctor is Jesus" thing in Last of the Time Lords?  The "let's throw everything at everything" story in Stolen's Earth/Journey's End?  The painfully hokey ending to Voyage of the Damned?  Every single bit of Love and Monsters?  Seriously, people have very selective memories about some of those clunkers.

And forgetting about RJD, tell me that Moffat stories are worse that, e.g., the Adipose...
 
2013-06-19 04:14:21 PM  

Rhypskallion: whizbangthedirtfarmer:

His name is Steven Moffat.

It seems likely. He needs to go do Sherlock full time, and they need a new Doctor Who showrunner.   ASAP.   I can totally believe Moffat resented how well received Gaiman's ep was, and messed up the followup purposefully.    I can't PROVE it--but I can find it very believable.


All you have to do is read an interview or two with him to see how egotistical he's become.  He views himself as the shiznit now, so who needs plots?  Just make it look pretty!  It's a shame, too, because he wrote some instant nuWho classics, and he has a pretty firm knowledge of the show's history.

Basically, he's an awful showrunner, and a great writer.

\and people who thought Sherlock's series 2 had any merit are lying to themselves
 
2013-06-19 04:20:40 PM  

Skwrl: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Rhypskallion: whizbangthedirtfarmer: FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.

Watching a boil get lanced would have been better than almost all of season 7.  Even Gaiman shiat a brick; that's how bad it was.

It is very hard to believe that anyone would write a story featuring the Doctor where he would put children in harms way (in 2013) when he could knowingly avoid it--but there it is.  Some elements of the ep were very Gaiman--but some it seemed like someone messed it up on purpose.

His name is Steven Moffat.

People blame Steven Moffat, but think how awful the Russel J. Davies stuff was by the end.  The "Doctor is Jesus" thing in Last of the Time Lords?  The "let's throw everything at everything" story in Stolen's Earth/Journey's End?  The painfully hokey ending to Voyage of the Damned?  Every single bit of Love and Monsters?  Seriously, people have very selective memories about some of those clunkers.

And forgetting about RJD, tell me that Moffat stories are worse that, e.g., the Adipose...


Oh, RJD had some clunkers, to be sure, but he excelled at creating memorable moments (which is why I think Love and Monsters worked so well) that captured just how epic the Doctor's adventures could be.  Even in the shiattiest episodes, there were one or two instances where we really "got" the Doctor.  Except "Fear Her."  That episode needs to disappear completely.

With Moffat, though, we had a love affair with a godawful and annoying character (Amy Pond) that kept her front and center, even when her reactions were completely inappropriate to the situation.  We saw him drive his best creations (the Angels and River Song) straight into the ground, and we've seen the Doctor become a complete buffoon, especially in series 7.  Kissing Jenny?  Erection jokes?  The whole scene where Amy restarted his second heart?  Asinine moments that make me cringe, and they seem to occur with an alarming frequency now.

And don't get me started on Clara, who is all "oh, the horror, so many dead people" one moment, and then la-de-laa the next.
 
2013-06-19 04:20:46 PM  
I think every produce\rshowrunner of Doctor Who since Verity freakin' Lambert gets lambasted that theyare destroying the show.
 
2013-06-19 04:22:11 PM  
It's Russell T. Davies, people! What's with this RJD stuff?
 
2013-06-19 04:23:31 PM  

Skwrl: People blame Steven Moffat, but think how awful the Russel J. Davies stuff was by the end. The "Doctor is Jesus" thing in Last of the Time Lords? The "let's throw everything at everything" story in Stolen's Earth/Journey's End? The painfully hokey ending to Voyage of the Damned? Every single bit of Love and Monsters? Seriously, people have very selective memories about some of those clunkers.

And forgetting about RJD, tell me


Just a point: it's Russell T Davies.
 
2013-06-19 04:27:16 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Jackpot777: xria: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flint Ironstag: Maybe they have to edit out all the "You should kill us all on sight" inserts? That would take time considering the editors would forget all about it the instant they saw it....

I'm sorry, I don't recall this reference.

The Silents/Silence - some alien race that had been controlling humanity but everyone would forget everything about them wherever they were no longer looking at them.

Sorry: seen a lot of Doctor Who, never heard of them.

Nope, me neither. By the way, has anyone else had weird black marks inexplicably appearing all over their arms and legs? Weird thing, they look exactly like tally symbols.


Only on days when I trip on the carpet in the spare bedroom all the time. Must get that carpet fixed.
 
2013-06-19 04:30:58 PM  

LucklessWonder: I think every produce\rshowrunner of Doctor Who since Verity freakin' Lambert gets lambasted that theyare destroying the show.


Verity Lambert?

She stopped making historical serials, and went all sci-fi! SHE DESTROYED THE SHOW!
 
2013-06-19 04:35:13 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: LucklessWonder: I think every produce\rshowrunner of Doctor Who since Verity freakin' Lambert gets lambasted that theyare destroying the show.

Verity Lambert?

She stopped making historical serials, and went all sci-fi! SHE DESTROYED THE SHOW!


Damn right. The show was ruined when they found that police box at the start of An Unearthly Child

RUINED Forever!

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER
 
2013-06-19 04:37:41 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: LucklessWonder: I think every produce\rshowrunner of Doctor Who since Verity freakin' Lambert gets lambasted that theyare destroying the show.

Verity Lambert?

She stopped making historical serials, and went all sci-fi! SHE DESTROYED THE SHOW!


Still looking forward to the drama about her getting the show on air. Due for the 50th.
 
2013-06-19 05:00:01 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The saga of the missing episodes is more entertaining than at least half of season 7.


Ok, that got a laugh out of me.
 
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2013-06-19 05:17:28 PM  

LucklessWonder: FirstNationalBastard: LucklessWonder: I think every produce\rshowrunner of Doctor Who since Verity freakin' Lambert gets lambasted that theyare destroying the show.

Verity Lambert?

She stopped making historical serials, and went all sci-fi! SHE DESTROYED THE SHOW!

Damn right. The show was ruined when they found that police box at the start of An Unearthly Child

RUINED Forever!

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER


TRANSFORMERS HAVE TO TRANSFORM.
 
2013-06-19 05:40:15 PM  
I pray that they find the missing episodes. The world needs more material that Moffat hasn't shat all over already.
 
2013-06-19 05:46:13 PM  

Flint Ironstag: If they arrived in 2011 why is it taking so long to go public? They wouldn't need to keep it a secret until they were restored, and advance publicity would be a good thing.


As I read it, what may have been "delivered" in 2011 was a shiat-ton of film and video, and the source said somewhere within there was possibly 90 or so lost episodes of "Doctor Who."

So even if it's true that there are 90 episodes, and even if it's true they're now in the UK, and even if it's true the BBC has them, it may have taken some time to get through the pile to see what they had, and even then, they'd want to be sure of what they had before they said anything about it. There was probably a need to have the potential for restoration evaluated, etc. etc.

Besides, if the Beeb kept it a secret until they had something that could be considered a product, they'd reduce the risk of piracy attempts, cause a surge in sales that would be off the charts.

Advance publicity = people may or may not hear about it when they're available for sale, and may buy them when the come out, or may wait, or wait for Netflix, etc.

Announcing "We found 90 missing episodes and they go on sale tomorrow" = "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"

/wifeinspace.com will have to start up again
//which is in no way a bad thing
 
2013-06-19 05:54:39 PM  

CitizenjaQ: Did I actually see some of these on PBS in the 1980s, or am I imagining them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes#List_of_los t_ episodes


You're imagining them, I'm afraid. I could tell you exactly which stories PBS did have in the '80s - but not right this minute. I have an episode guide from that are where I'd checked off the ones I'd seen (which was all of them available), but I don't know where it is.
 
2013-06-19 05:57:06 PM  

deeproy: The on again off again rumor that is on again is now off... again...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06/19/bbc-officially-responds-to-bl ee ding-cool-over-doctor-who-rumours/


That's a pretty weak denial. Not saying he's lying, but "we cannot confirm" seems to be pretty careful wording.
 
2013-06-19 06:22:28 PM  
First I was but then....

Hoping for:

well everything, but Power/Evil of..., Web of Fear and Celestial Toymaker the most.
 
2013-06-19 06:30:43 PM  

Flint Ironstag: If they arrived in 2011 why is it taking so long to go public? They wouldn't need to keep it a secret until they were restored, and advance publicity would be a good thing.


It depends on who found them.  There's a number of things going on here: there's the physical ownership of the tapes or films, there's the copyright, and then there's the fact that in the early 1960s, UK copyright was 50 years, so some things are falling into the public domain.

The main thing is that at the moment, the BBC owns the copyrights, but not the tapes, so one party can't act without the other.  But there's a chance it would be worth sitting on them for a couple of years, until the copyright ends.

This isn't the first time the BBC has ended up in this position; Terry Gilliam found out that the Monty Python tapes were going to be wiped, so he simply offered to buy the BBC fresh tapes.  He took all the episodes homes and stored them, until the BBC came looking for them.  As he'd saved them, the Python boys were allowed to dictate terms, which involved co-ownership of the copyright.
 
2013-06-19 06:33:59 PM  
Gotta say I have not really enjoyed series 7, but I give SM the benefit of the doubt. LOVED The Impossible Astronaut arc. LOVED The Pandorica Opens. Looking at the RTD era objectively, there were a lot of clunkers. Full disclosure: I hated Rose Tyler. I really would have loved to see Tennant with SM as show runner. Silence In the Library is epic.
 
2013-06-19 06:41:04 PM  

Pepperjack: Gotta say I have not really enjoyed series 7, but I give SM the benefit of the doubt. LOVED The Impossible Astronaut arc. LOVED The Pandorica Opens. Looking at the RTD era objectively, there were a lot of clunkers. Full disclosure: I hated Rose Tyler. I really would have loved to see Tennant with SM as show runner. Silence In the Library is epic.


Besides the fact that they make no farkin' sense.
 
2013-06-19 07:14:30 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: CitizenjaQ: Did I actually see some of these on PBS in the 1980s, or am I imagining them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes#List_of_los t_ episodes

You're imagining them, I'm afraid. I could tell you exactly which stories PBS did have in the '80s - but not right this minute. I have an episode guide from that are where I'd checked off the ones I'd seen (which was all of them available), but I don't know where it is.


PBS never showed any of the incomplete stories, except perhaps clips on specials.

It is possible, however, that you may have seen TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN; it was totally lost until the mid 1990s, but
I don't remember if it got added to the syndication rotation.
 
2013-06-19 07:25:53 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: PBS never showed any of the incomplete stories, except perhaps clips on specials.


I think they did do something on Shadra, but that was less "lost" than simply "uncompleted."
 
2013-06-19 07:34:59 PM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: First I was but then....

Hoping for:

well everything, but Power/Evil of..., Web of Fear and Celestial Toymaker the most.


I wonder how they'd deal with the successful and attractive African american issue in Celestial Toymaker.
 
2013-06-19 08:36:47 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: I think they did do something on Shadra, but that was less "lost" than simply "uncompleted."


"Shada", aka, "Uncle Tom Baker tells a story, which is basically  Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, confusingly starring the Doctor."
 
2013-06-19 08:51:01 PM  

t3knomanser: Dwight_Yeast: I think they did do something on Shadra, but that was less "lost" than simply "uncompleted."

"Shada", aka, "Uncle Tom Baker tells a story, which is basically  Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, confusingly starring the Doctor."


Could always go with the 8th Doctor's version of Shada.
 
2013-06-19 09:09:37 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Pepperjack: Gotta say I have not really enjoyed series 7, but I give SM the benefit of the doubt. LOVED The Impossible Astronaut arc. LOVED The Pandorica Opens. Looking at the RTD era objectively, there were a lot of clunkers. Full disclosure: I hated Rose Tyler. I really would have loved to see Tennant with SM as show runner. Silence In the Library is epic.

Besides the fact that they make no farkin' sense.


Sorry you couldn't follow it.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:58 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I'd like to see Clara "off-again," if you know what I mean.

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I believe I do. She's so ridiculously cute that I have to wonder if she'll go directly to crone at 42.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:26 PM  
RTD - Russell T Davies, often referred to by his initials, had something to do with a "Sherlock Holmes".

RDJ - Robert Downey Jr, often referred to by his initials, also had something to do with a Sherlock Holmes.

Understandably, sometimes people confuse them. They're almost the same person.
 
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