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2013-06-19 01:37:17 AM  
I had Lakota tongue once, I had to take Ampicillin for a week.
 
2013-06-19 01:44:06 AM  
May I be the first to say..

Qa'Pla' Warriors beware! For here comes a warrior to Stov'O'Kor!!!

But seriously, has a sad :(
 
2013-06-19 03:12:09 AM  
That's sad.  We need more electives in middle schools, not less.
 
2013-06-19 06:26:00 AM  
Will someone remind me why I took Latin?
 
2013-06-19 07:41:03 AM  

dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?


So you all could be one.
 
2013-06-19 08:38:06 AM  
Sad. I actually met Albert White Hat a long time ago on the Rosebud reservation. He was a pretty amazing guy.
 
2013-06-19 08:56:47 AM  

dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?



People called Romanes, they go, the house?
 
2013-06-19 08:59:09 AM  

dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?


Well, unlike Lakota, Latin is the primary base for three of the most important languages on the planet for business (Spanish, French, Italian), as well as being a significant base for the second largest business language (English).

That said, I'd rather kids take German or Mandarin than Latin.
 
2013-06-19 09:04:20 AM  
Well, not quite dead, but much closer now.  It's not that language that is only spoken by two people who hate each other and refuse to talk to each other.
 
2013-06-19 09:07:16 AM  
If you want to talk about dead languages, try Manchurian instead of Lakota. There are still about 6000 Lakota speakers and they can teach the younger generation if they choose to. There's less than a dozen Manchurian speakers now, which is interesting because it was the imperial language of the Qing dynasty of China only 100 years prior.
 
2013-06-19 09:34:50 AM  

RexTalionis: If you want to talk about dead languages, try Manchurian instead of Lakota. There are still about 6000 Lakota speakers and they can teach the younger generation if they choose to. There's less than a dozen Manchurian speakers now, which is interesting because it was the imperial language of the Qing dynasty of China only 100 years prior.


Languages can be brought back.  Hebrew was pretty much dead until it was revived as the national language of Israel.

Also, seems like as good a thread as any to mention my favorite native American, Sequoyah.  A silversmith by trade, he noticed European colonists communicating by writing and thought "Wow, that would be useful.  I think I'll invent that for us", and single handedly invented the Cherokee written language.  That's some gumption right there, and may have saved his language.
 
2013-06-19 10:18:25 AM  
Good job I stockpiled all those topical herbs.
 
2013-06-19 10:18:27 AM  
I was talking to one of my Lakota students and he basically said the most hate Indians get is from other Indians. That said, one way to integrate yourself with the tribe is to start speaking Lakota. He actually knows it and like to fark with assholes who challenge him on his "Indian-ness".
 
2013-06-19 10:18:59 AM  
It's just as well that the language has died because if you started speaking it no one would understand you.

/canihazwhiteguiltthread?
 
2013-06-19 10:19:32 AM  

dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?


Because it'll help you in medicine and law or something.
 
2013-06-19 10:21:13 AM  
They all don't seem so cunning now, do they???
 
2013-06-19 10:21:23 AM  

stuhayes2010: dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?

Because it'll help you in medicine and law or something.


It doesn't do jack squat for you in law.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:21 AM  
This process will continue.  In 100 years nearly all the native languages in the Americas will be extinct.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:08 AM  
I understand that anything dead is saddening, but if Lakota were culturally or historically important, wouldn't one of his seven children pick up where dad left off?  Perhaps this is simply the path of least resistance, that English is easier and more practical.  Language is normally about clear and efficient communication between peoples; if it were about aesthetics, all Fark posts would rhyme in iambic pentameter.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:31 AM  
Heading back to the Rosebud reservation to bury my brother in a few weeks. First time I've been back in a couple of years, when I went to bury my parents. Every time I go back, I try to learn a little more Lakota from my maternal relatives. It gets rusty with no one else around me to speak it to.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:44 AM  
Tatonka to you, sir.
 
2013-06-19 10:26:07 AM  
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Yeah - this stuff would really burn on a tongue.
 
2013-06-19 10:27:21 AM  
Bull!

My tongue is still as nimble and talented as ever.

;)

/Lakota '91
 
2013-06-19 10:28:52 AM  
I blame Kevin Costner.
 
2013-06-19 10:29:21 AM  

stuhayes2010: dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?

Because it'll help you in medicine and law or something.


And why don't we insist that  at least law go to plain language (other than  putting more lawyers out of work)



THE PLAIN ENGLISH MOVEMENT

The premise behind the plain English movement is that legal documents ought to be plainer--and more comprehensible--to the average person. It's probably fair to say that the modern movement began in the 1970s. But people have objected to the obscurity of lawyer's language for many centuries.
 
2013-06-19 10:29:24 AM  
Dead tongue. Won't someone think of the Lebanese!

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2013-06-19 10:29:39 AM  
Say it ain't so, Waschichu.
 
2013-06-19 10:30:14 AM  
Tóhaŋni waŋžíla iyápi iyóhi sni
 
2013-06-19 10:31:19 AM  

BFletch651: This process will continue.  In 100 years nearly all the native languages in the Americas will be extinct.


I agree with the first part, but not the second.  There are areas of South America where indigenous languages are spoken pretty much exclusively.  In North America, at the very least Cherokee and Navajo aren't going away, but indeed many more will die off, just not ALL.
 
2013-06-19 10:35:57 AM  

nekom: BFletch651: This process will continue.  In 100 years nearly all the native languages in the Americas will be extinct.

I agree with the first part, but not the second.  There are areas of South America where indigenous languages are spoken pretty much exclusively.  In North America, at the very least Cherokee and Navajo aren't going away, but indeed many more will die off, just not ALL.


Those will be the last, I think, but they're ultimately doomed.  Isolated areas are developing.  People inevitably disperse, over time.  Without an economic necessity, those who move won't retain the language and newcomers won't bother to learn it.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:31 AM  
Gunga galunga...gunga -- gunga galunga.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:31 AM  

Unfreakable: Sad. I actually met Albert White Hat a long time ago on the Rosebud reservation. He was a pretty amazing guy.


I remember him coming to my American Studies class in high school almost 15 years ago, now.  There are only about a half dozen things I remember about that class but he was one of them.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:47 AM  
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Unavailable for comment, but grateful nonetheless.
 
2013-06-19 10:40:35 AM  

hasty ambush: stuhayes2010: dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?

Because it'll help you in medicine and law or something.

And why don't we insist that  at least law go to plain language (other than  putting more lawyers out of work)

THE PLAIN ENGLISH MOVEMENT

The premise behind the plain English movement is that legal documents ought to be plainer--and more comprehensible--to the average person. It's probably fair to say that the modern movement began in the 1970s. But people have objected to the obscurity of lawyer's language for many centuries.


As a layperson who reads hundreds of contracts and agreements per year, I can tell you this is a bad idea. It's not so much that legal language is complex, it's that non-lawyers hardly ever have to deal with it, so they're not used to it. That, and most people do not have a proper understanding of grammar. Learn a little bit of German and any Latin-derived language, or Latin itself, and your comprehension of legal documents will become very clear once you understand the underpinnings of English grammar.

Legal language *is* plain language, but it must be very specific and non-ambiguous for contracts to have any meaning. The last thing you want is a contract whose terms could go either way because the wording is not specific enough. From my point of view, someone arguing about the complexity of legal language is no different than a layperson complaining that all computer programs should be written so that they're easy enough for everyone to understand. No. Upgrade *your* reading an comprehension skills instead of forcing people to dumb things down.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:25 AM  
Don't worry. There are still thousands of Klingon speakers, authors, and teachers.
 
2013-06-19 10:43:42 AM  
I guess it's time to eat my Last Indian Snickerdoodle Ice Cream
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/don't use the phones
//the phones are real
 
2013-06-19 10:47:43 AM  
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That feel.
 
2013-06-19 10:49:39 AM  

dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?


Because it was the easiest 92% you could get?
Because you learn a lot more being one of six students in a class?
Because it allows you to read, but not necessarily pronounce, Portuguese, French, Italian and Spanish newspapers?
Because it improves your Scrabble score?

/Fecit est propter me.
 
2013-06-19 10:51:09 AM  

RexTalionis: If you want to talk about dead languages, try Manchurian instead of Lakota. There are still about 6000 Lakota speakers and they can teach the younger generation if they choose to. There's less than a dozen Manchurian speakers now, which is interesting because it was the imperial language of the Qing dynasty of China only 100 years prior.


Ebonics, take note.

/fo' shizzle
 
2013-06-19 10:57:31 AM  

mattharvest: dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?

Well, unlike Lakota, Latin is the primary base for three of the most important languages on the planet for business (Spanish, French, Italian), as well as being a significant base for the second largest business language (English).


That's the reason I heard when I started taken Latin. Since then I've come to the conclusion that it's nonsense.

Latin is so far removed from either French, Spanish or Italian that it's far easier to just learn French, Spanish and Italian. Latin isn't taught as a spoken language either, you basically just learn how to read Latin. And you can't read anything less than a few thousand years old because you don't really learn how to write it either so nobody does it (Church Latin is a different language from what most Latin students learn).

Latin forms a tiny base for English and almost none of it is used in business. English is a Germanic language with a completely different grammatical structure. English borrows words from many languages but frequently changes them from the original so if you want to increase your English vocabulary you are much better served just learning English words (perhaps by reading English texts).

The main benefit to learning Latin is that it is a shibboleth. Let's say you come from an old money family and you want to let other people from old money families know this so you can hang out together and do rich people stuff. If you simply tell everyone that you have rich parents you just look like a douche. But if you can make the occasional joke in Latin or correctly use the occasional Latin phrase it sends a message that you probably went to a private school where they teach Latin. Other people won't get this. They'll just think your clever or nerdy. But other scions will understand and if you display enough additional shibboleths they will invite you to play golf with them.

Sadly, my parents aren't rich so I actually need to work for a living.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:07 AM  
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2013-06-19 10:58:27 AM  
Is there any culture in a language that can be translated word-for-word into another language? Wouldn't the culture be in the words or usage that can't be translated easily? Anthropology question.
 
2013-06-19 11:00:43 AM  
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/Never got any Lakota tongue.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:08 AM  
In Lakota there is no word for...never mind.
 
2013-06-19 11:11:31 AM  
I don't want to get on the cart!
I feel happy!
 
2013-06-19 11:24:05 AM  
FTFA: " Lakota, a language fluently spoken by fewer than 6,000 people."

Subby
needs a word with Julius.

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2013-06-19 11:25:09 AM  

aprentic: mattharvest: dickfreckle: Will someone remind me why I took Latin?

Well, unlike Lakota, Latin is the primary base for three of the most important languages on the planet for business (Spanish, French, Italian), as well as being a significant base for the second largest business language (English).

That's the reason I heard when I started taken Latin. Since then I've come to the conclusion that it's nonsense.

Latin is so far removed from either French, Spanish or Italian that it's far easier to just learn French, Spanish and Italian. Latin isn't taught as a spoken language either, you basically just learn how to read Latin. And you can't read anything less than a few thousand years old because you don't really learn how to write it either so nobody does it (Church Latin is a different language from what most Latin students learn).

Latin forms a tiny base for English and almost none of it is used in business. English is a Germanic language with a completely different grammatical structure. English borrows words from many languages but frequently changes them from the original so if you want to increase your English vocabulary you are much better served just learning English words (perhaps by reading English texts).

The main benefit to learning Latin is that it is a shibboleth. Let's say you come from an old money family and you want to let other people from old money families know this so you can hang out together and do rich people stuff. If you simply tell everyone that you have rich parents you just look like a douche. But if you can make the occasional joke in Latin or correctly use the occasional Latin phrase it sends a message that you probably went to a private school where they teach Latin. Other people won't get this. They'll just think your clever or nerdy. But other scions will understand and if you display enough additional shibboleths they will invite you to play golf with them.

Sadly, my parents aren't rich so I actually need to work for a living.



Nonsense. Latin teaches you the roots and origins of a great deal of English, and (as has been mentioned) helps with comprehension of other Romance languages as well.
 
2013-06-19 11:29:32 AM  
Headline: Lakota is officially dead.

Article: 0.017% of Lakota speakers died.

/I though Lakota was a black girl's name
 
2013-06-19 12:24:52 PM  
I just saw him last night in a documentary about the old west on Netflix! RIP sir, may the great spririt welcome you home.
 
2013-06-19 12:29:29 PM  
Aho mitakuye oyasin
 
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