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(KHOU Houston)   "And I have never in my life smelled anything like what we've been smelling here the last three weeks," exclaimed one man describing the use of human waste as fertilizer   (khou.com) divider line 102
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2013-06-19 09:11:57 AM
"except, of course, when i pooped this morning", he added
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 09:12:40 AM
Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.
 
2013-06-19 09:24:13 AM
We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.
 
2013-06-19 09:58:46 AM
Is it like the whole town ate Taco Bell?
 
2013-06-19 10:10:32 AM
I worked for a while at an environmental lab in college, and we were called in as consultants to evaluate a company that did this in NJ.  They take processed, municipal sludge (I forget the exact word) and then dry it out in their facility for later use as fertilizer.  The reason that we were there was that a farmer had died, apparently overcome by this one specific VOC after using their product (or a similar one) on his farm.  We had to do GC tests to see if that VOC was actually present in significant quantity.

It was.

ZAZ: Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


The biological contaminant problem didn't come up; the processing was designed to kill off bacteria I figure.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:50 AM
I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?
 
2013-06-19 10:25:17 AM
Milorganite points, opens a beer, and laughs.
 
2013-06-19 10:26:58 AM

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


Processed human waste is actually a perfect solution and works much better than other fertilizers
 
2013-06-19 10:27:51 AM

vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.


For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.  Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?
 
2013-06-19 10:27:57 AM
never been near a pig farm, eh?
 
2013-06-19 10:28:05 AM
Great. So now I have to worry about finding peanuts in my corn and wondering how it got there.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:09 AM
Hey Texas, you reap what you smell.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:48 AM
"And I have never in my life smelled anything like what we've been smelling here the last three weeks"

Can't I take one goddamn vacation without the natives getting their sh*t in a knot?
Relax! I'm heading home tomorrow!
 
2013-06-19 10:30:04 AM
Well, no shiat.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:29 AM

FrancoFile: Milorganite points, opens a beer, and laughs.


This.  Lesco used to sell their own version, as well.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:58 AM

Walker: I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?


That's perfectly reasonable.  Animals don't have diseases adapted to your body.  Dog poop is gross, human poop will kill you.
 
2013-06-19 10:32:29 AM
Ewwwwww.  Cow poop is fine.  Because can't eat BW3's the night before and drink a 12 pack of heinekin.

If they could, I probably wouldn't be comfortable using their poop as fertilizer.  Or eating them.  Or really doing anything but partying with them.
 
2013-06-19 10:32:58 AM

plutoniumfeather: never been near a pig farm, eh?


Or broiler houses...
 
2013-06-19 10:33:55 AM
How farking dumb can you get?You're supposed to  hot compost it for at least a year,and then you use it to fertilize your perrenials or use it for soil regeneration.But the composting is key;what debilitated moron thought that this would be the right way to do it? Oh...Texan...nevermind.
 
2013-06-19 10:33:59 AM
Move to agricultural area.

Complain about agricultural processes.

Profit.
 
2013-06-19 10:36:06 AM
So it's eat shiat and die time.
 
2013-06-19 10:36:31 AM
And just where the fark should they put it?
 
2013-06-19 10:36:32 AM
How could they tell the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB3ME_Xem0
 
2013-06-19 10:36:45 AM
Come to think of it, when I was a kid my hometown used local biosolids in the parks and medians, and for a while they would give it away to homeowners if available.  I think I remember my dad bringing some home once in metal trashcans.

Use on ornamental plants is fine, use on food crops is a different story.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:42 AM

plutoniumfeather


never been near a pig farm, eh?


Be wary of any man who owns a pig farm.

img.fark.net


pic is borrowed
 
2013-06-19 10:37:54 AM
He fought off flies while explaining that farmers want the fertilizer and have a right to use it.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit to use human shiat as fertilizer?  Who knew?
 
2013-06-19 10:38:20 AM
Wow, not a lot of the typical crappy jokes in here...

/I am disappoint.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:53 AM
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
 
2013-06-19 10:41:00 AM
That article featured improper use of colons.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:58 AM

dougls_99


Soylent Green is PEOPLE! POOPLE!
 
2013-06-19 10:42:07 AM

Walker: I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?


Using pig poop would give your veggies that bacon flavor, right?  It would save time with baked potatoes.

/maybe sell the processed human waste as soylent green.
 
2013-06-19 10:43:57 AM

Carn: vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.

For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.   Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?


If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with. As for trace medicines, drugs, or other chemicals, this is always a risk no matter what product or foodstuff you use. Not even drinking water can be purified (given current technologies) of every drug known to man, and "animal"-based fertilizers still have the same issues. To say nothing of the chemicals and biocides already spread on crops by farmers, and those picked up during processing, transport, and storage.

Plants, however, are marvelous little solar-powered molecular converters that do not care what the carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorus atoms used to be a part of, only what they can build with them. It's an elegant, if viscerally un-appealing solution to the problems of waste processing and sustainable fertilizer production. As for the smell, it can be nasty, but much of this is up to subjective opinion. Chicken, pork, and bovine fertilizer don't smell too great either.

I sympathize for the guy, and for the lady concerned about her property values (a legitimate concern), but I'm also curious to know what is normally spread on those fields. Conventional fertilizers don't generally smell too great either. And people still need to eat.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:02 AM
Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:33 AM
"So my property value, my worth, has it all gone to zero?"

1) Real estate is an investment
2) You should have known that before buying
 
2013-06-19 10:44:40 AM
And that's why store bought tomatos taste like shiat.
 
2013-06-19 10:45:21 AM
Is it safe to Use Compost Made From Treated Human Waste?

The Dirty Work of Promoting "Recycling" of America's Sewage Sludge

Biosolids scientists believe that heavy metals are immobilized in sludge forever, don't migrate into groundwater, never become bioavailable, and will not accumulate over time at sites where this material is
applied. They also claim that the organic nature of sludge ensures that land-applied sewage sludge releases nitrogen only as plants need it, and only in the amounts needed. Even pathogens, they contend, are perfectly harmonized with nature: "The organic nature of biosolids means pathogens, if present, adhere to soil, effectively preventing them from entering groundwater; [then] naturally occurring enemy microbes destroy the remaining pathogens."  According to Walker and others, heavy metals are permanently bound to organic matter such that even children ingesting biosolids are protected from lead poisoning.  Walker also considered illnesses reported by residents to be psychosomatic responses to odor and organized an EPA-funded workshop with Duke University psychologists and odor specialists to explore this theory.


This is not good.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:19 AM
Romney may be one of the few that could build a financial empire on his own with his chit.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:42 AM
Dear Julie Lambert of Texas,

Welcome to your free market paradise, which as you have recently found out, may have consequences that you personally don't like and may, in fact, personally affect you in ways you didn't imagine. This is why we occasionally use things like "regulations" and "governmental oversight" and all sort of naughty socialist and fascists words.


(Then again, I can see Texas banning this stuff, if only because it's a bio-recyclable process, which sounds all enviro-hippie and liberal, and therefore must be stopped...at...all...costs...)
 
2013-06-19 10:47:49 AM

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


It's actually a really excellent idea, the kicker is you actually need to compost it before you use it.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:13 AM

ThreadSinger: If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with.


The sorts of places where human waste is typically used as a fertilizer tend to be rather short on "regulators" at all levels.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:16 AM

ThreadSinger: Carn: vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.

For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.   Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?

If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with. As for trace medicines, drugs, or other chemicals, this is always a risk no matter what product or foodstuff you use. Not even drinking water can be purified (given current technologies) of every drug known to man, and "animal"-based fertilizers still have the same issues. To say nothing of the chemicals and biocides already spread on crops by farmers, and those picked up during processing, transport, and storage.

Plants, however, are marvelous little solar-powered molecular converters that do not care what the carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorus atoms used to be a part of, only what they can build with them. It's an elegant, if viscerally un-appealing solution to the problems of waste processing and sustainable fertilizer production. As for the smell, it can be nasty, but much of this is up to subjective opinion. Chicken, pork, and bovine fertilizer don't smell too great either.

I sympathize for the guy, and for the lady concerned about her property values (a legitimate concern), but I'm also curious to know what is normally sprea ...


What about heavy metals?  The general rule in every book I've read is that you should only use plant material or poop from herbivores (or fowl that are mostly vegetarian + insects) in compost that you intend to use on food crops.  Again, I'm perfectly fine if they want to use this to fertilize trees, shrubs or whatever else.  It should not be used on food.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:41 AM
I guess they've not capitalized on the inevitable tomato crop? Tomato seeds don't digest and readily grow after sludge processing. Post-process sludge is relatively benign. The remaining biologics aren't harmful to humans but their natural breakdown does reek like the sewers of Hades. There is zero chance of avoiding the smell unless the waste is shipped somewhere far far away until it's completely degraded. By then, it's useless as fertilizer.

\I'm not a turd herder
\\ my buddy is, though
 
2013-06-19 10:52:08 AM

brap: ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.

It's actually a really excellent idea, the kicker is you actually need to compost it before you use it.


It most certainly is not an excellent idea.
 
2013-06-19 10:52:09 AM
Those of you who are not crazy about the idea of using human waste as fertilizer (that includes me), would do well to know the country of origin for the produce you buy.
 
2013-06-19 10:53:17 AM
Yeah -- i heard the problem with pig and human manure was that it built up heavy metals in the soil...
 
2013-06-19 10:54:32 AM

snocone: Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.


Thanks, Lorax. You speak for the poos.
 
2013-06-19 10:56:44 AM

factoryconnection: I worked for a while at an environmental lab in college, and we were called in as consultants to evaluate a company that did this in NJ.


That explains so much about New Jersey.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:24 AM
I made "shiaty" tomatoes once.  I had some sewer issues at home and it kept backing up.  I would have to open the drain next to the house to "relieve" the pressure.  I finally had some guys come out and check...my line from the house to my septic was cracked.  they replaced.  A few months later next to the house, and sewer drain...small tomato plants sprung up!!   I let them grow and the tomatoes where HUGE!  And tasty.  My niece vowed to never eat veggies at my house.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:29 AM

mikefinch: Yeah -- i heard the problem with pig and human manure was that it built up heavy metals in the soil...


Sounds like it.  Another quote from the study I linked to above:

"Despite EPA's well-coordinated public-acceptance campaign, many organizations involved with agriculture and the food industry do not support sludge use. H. J. Heinz Company, Del Monte, Western Growers, and other major food suppliers refuse to accept produce grown on land treated with sewage sludge. J. M. Dryer, General Manager of Heinz' Food & Technology Systems, wrote: "[The] risk of utilizing municipal sludge, which is known to be high in heavy metals, such as cadmium and lead, is not a health risk which we need to take. This is not a publicity statement since it is rigorously enforced and we have at times dropped suppliers who have used sludge on their crop land."106 Del Monte recently confirmed its earlier position not to accept produce grown on sludged land, awaiting more convincing scientific evidence while holding to the "more conservative and prudent" position of the National Food Processors Association and the American Frozen Food Institute. In 2004, the National Farmers Union enacted a policy stating: "The current practice of . . . spreading hazardous wastes and Class B biosolids on land surfaces . . . should be discontinued [to] protect the soil and water of agricultural lands, from which the nation's food is produced."  "
 
2013-06-19 10:58:46 AM
Freedom = excusing businesses from being responsible for the negative externalities they produce
 
2013-06-19 10:59:11 AM
Oh, Oh, I know!
They had a priest bless it.
Now all good.
They have it on authority.
 
2013-06-19 10:59:41 AM
Texas needs to get its shiat straight...like China:

http://www.agroecology.org/Case%20Studies/nightsoil.html
 
2013-06-19 10:59:47 AM
Um - y'all know this has been going on for centuries, right?
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, burger to miracle-grow.
 
2013-06-19 10:59:51 AM
Bullshiat, unless you've never been in a public restroom your entire life
 
2013-06-19 11:00:21 AM
We just need to stop growing our food in the soil. American Agriculture culture is flawed.  Every answer they look for is a bigger problem.  Have fun with your arsenic, prozac, lipitor, and valium infused rice.

Buy local produce from small farms.  Certified Organic doesn't matter.  Local matters.  The more small farms you have close to your neighborhood the better your food supply can be.  Support them.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:14 AM

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


I'd want it broken down more before using it for crops, maybe use worms, or maggots and then the resulting poop as fertilizer
 
2013-06-19 11:02:33 AM
CSB time!

When I was a yout, I worked at a gun club/shooting range. An outdoor, skeet-shooting range.

The clay pigeons were fired out over a swampy area. Directly across the parking lot from that facility were 5 giant fields that an enterprising landowner made money with, by allowing septic tank trucking companies to empty on.

The smell of that place, in August, just down-wind....
 
2013-06-19 11:04:33 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Wow, not a lot of the typical crappy jokes in here...

/I am disappoint.


img.fark.net
HOWDY HO!!!
 
2013-06-19 11:08:34 AM
next step, "Motel Hell"
 
2013-06-19 11:08:46 AM
shiat man, try living next door to Gacy.
 
2013-06-19 11:09:52 AM
If they're going to do it, why not make them do it in liquid form and inject it.  It's done like that with hog manure around here all the time.  Basically a large tank on wheels with cultivators on the back.  Piping is run from the tank to the lowest point on the cultivators so it goes "underground".  Helps significantly with the smell, but not the other issues outlined in above links and discussion.

Once drove by a farm spreading waste from turkey farm and that was far beyond anything hog waste could ever aspire to be.  Farther up the road someone had very recently hit a skunk.  That was the sweetest smelling skunk ever after being subjected to the turkey manure.
 
2013-06-19 11:10:21 AM

oldfarthenry: Um - y'all know this has been going on for centuries, right?
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, burger to miracle-grow.


That would be why we KNOW it is a BAD THING.

/but fark that, there is PROFIT just lying around
 
2013-06-19 11:11:10 AM

Carn: It most certainly is not an excellent idea.


There are certainly ways to do it where it is.  Of course spreading municipal sludge on fields is not a prime example of how to do it correctly.  But we can agree to be disagreeable.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:02 AM
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2013-06-19 11:13:56 AM

snocone: Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.


There is more steps than just composting for a month.  The drying process involves cooking it at pasteurizing temps, for one.  As well chemical treatments for good measure.  There is nothing new about human fertilizer, golf courses have been using it for years.  If you ever golfed, you have walked on human fertilizer.
 
2013-06-19 11:14:17 AM
Shiat Smells Bad - More at 11!
 
2013-06-19 11:15:28 AM

brap: Carn: It most certainly is not an excellent idea.

There are certainly ways to do it where it is.  Of course spreading municipal sludge on fields is not a prime example of how to do it correctly.  But we can agree to be disagreeable.


I agree to disagree :P

There are things that exist in human feces that don't exist in other animal poo, even other carnivores (which you aren't supposed to use for fertilizer either), heavy metals, traces of medicines, drugs, and other chemicals.  I won't shake my fist and call you names or anything but I'm sticking to my guns that no matter how much you process it, it shouldn't be used for food.  Stuff like this makes me want to expand my garden.  I should make a sign "grown without the benefits of human feces!".
 
2013-06-19 12:31:10 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.

Processed human waste is actually a perfect solution and works much better than other fertilizers


CSB Time:

My dad used to tell the story about how his dad (grandpa) once got a load of processed human waste to use as fertilizer on their lawn (back in the 50's - 60's).  He said it rained the next day and the whole place smelled awful.  Then, as the weeks went on they kept finding tomato plants spouting up all over the place.  Turns out the "treatment" didn't get rid of the tomato seeds.
 
2013-06-19 12:40:48 PM

Walker: I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?


Really? You can't figure that one out?
 
2013-06-19 12:41:49 PM

10up: We just need to stop growing our food in the soil.


Say what?
 
2013-06-19 12:42:00 PM
Back in high school I remember a science teacher telling us that they had been using "solid" human waste to make bricks. There was even a building near us made from it. Never looked at dark brown bricks the same again.
 
2013-06-19 12:44:39 PM

10up: We just need to stop growing our food in the soil. American Agriculture culture is flawed.  Every answer they look for is a bigger problem.  Have fun with your arsenic, prozac, lipitor, and valium infused rice.

Buy local produce from small farms.  Certified Organic doesn't matter.  Local matters.  The more small farms you have close to your neighborhood the better your food supply can be.  Support them.


So your nearby small farms have solved the problem of needed soil to grow plants? Sweet!
 
2013-06-19 12:49:42 PM

Carousel Beast: 10up: We just need to stop growing our food in the soil. American Agriculture culture is flawed.  Every answer they look for is a bigger problem.  Have fun with your arsenic, prozac, lipitor, and valium infused rice.

Buy local produce from small farms.  Certified Organic doesn't matter.  Local matters.  The more small farms you have close to your neighborhood the better your food supply can be.  Support them.

So your nearby small farms have solved the problem of needed soil to grow plants? Sweet!


You've heard of compost, right?  Vegetable plants provide plenty of organic matter for it.  Organic farming doesn't rape the soil like large scale farms do.  It's also more labor intensive, hence the cost.  Techniques like raised beds and vertical gardening save space and require less soil also.
 
2013-06-19 12:54:15 PM
As mentioned upthread--never heard of any problems with Milorganite.

Just buy the original and the best and be done with it.
 
2013-06-19 12:57:04 PM
Sounds like a bid day at Jesus Ranch!

/The D approves.
 
2013-06-19 12:59:00 PM
This was big news in the late 1970's.  So big that there was a 60 Mynuts story on it.  The excrement was from NY or NJ (IIRC) and was being spread on corn fields in Nebraska.  Big uproar for about 20 - 30 minutes or so.

tennessee.hillbilly: 10up: We just need to stop growing our food in the soil.

Say what?


Yeah hydroponics can do that - pretty effectively too.  There can be a heath issue there too though.

She said the smell chases her indoors for days at a time.
Meh ever been around when the local fish market drains the lobster tanks?  Bad enough to gag a maggot.  NO AIR, must. have.air. gal
 
2013-06-19 01:02:49 PM

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.



Amen to that. It's much better to only take nutrients from the environment and never return them back. That way, nutrients become scarcer and we can make a lot of money off the threat of starvation.

/derp
 
2013-06-19 01:04:18 PM
Milorganite also had the added benefit of helping repel various critters from devouring the garden.  Apparently the critters don't like the smell.  The ones that don't heed the smell have a lead issue to deal with.
 
2013-06-19 01:18:41 PM
10up:
Certified Organic doesn't matter.   Local  Fecal matters.

Fixed
 
2013-06-19 01:19:06 PM

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


Came here to say this

This
 
2013-06-19 01:22:43 PM
I thought Milorganite, (treated human waste), was not to be used on any food crops. It could be used on anything else, like sod fields, flower gardens, lawns and non-edible fruit bearing trees.

We've rejected shipments of produce grown in human waste from other countries -- like China. We also reject vegetables rinsed with 'Gray Water' -- a common practice in Mexico.

Sun drying human solids might kill off 98% of the harmful bacteria, but some still remain.

Also, human waste is unique among dung. They've dug up solid waste hundreds of years old from archeological sites (not fecoliths -- which is fossilized versions) and discovered if they add water, the stuff promptly starts reeking.

Considering we have around 3 or 4 million people living in the US, disposal of human waste solids is problematic, but I don't think using it as fertilizer, especially on food crops, is a good idea.

Remember Prions. Those nasty, twisted proteins that cause Mad Cow disease along with kuru-kuru, are not destroyed even by cooking and we have no vaccines or treatment for the disease they cause.

Animals infected were slaughtered and incinerated. One of the sources of contamination came from using desiccated animal tissue as a feed additive to boost protein content in commercial feeds given to food animals. That was supposed to have been stopped. Also stopped was the habit of grinding up 'waste' meat into hamburger additives, consisting of nervous tissue, like the spinal cord and brains along with certain glands. Prions tended to mainly infect those areas.

I think I'd have a problem with a farm next door that smelled like an open sewer day after day. I'd be concerned over any runoff during rain storms also.

You can mix horse manure in with clays and straw to make an organic, brick-like building material and some other animal waste can be combined with cement. However, human waste just stinks. The smell is hard to get rid of. I know of nothing it can be combined with to make a usable material.

I'm not sure if it can even be combined with coal dust and wood scraps to make fuel bricks. Cow pies and Camel dung burn readily enough to be a source of fuel, but human waste doesn't.
 
2013-06-19 01:23:04 PM

tuna fingers: 10up:
Certified Organic doesn't matter.   Local  Fecal matters.

Fixed


*snicker*
 
2013-06-19 01:30:43 PM

lack of warmth: snocone: Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.

There is more steps than just composting for a month.  The drying process involves cooking it at pasteurizing temps, for one.  As well chemical treatments for good measure.  There is nothing new about human fertilizer, golf courses have been using it for years.  If you ever golfed, you have walked on human fertilizer.


Well, you have managed to invoke two idiot activities.
Golf, no one hits the damned ball back.
Human waste, not for food, ever, not even then!
There's "chit' it there not even "pasteurizing" temps save you from.

But, after a lifetime of trying to educate fools on 4 continents on the chit for profit thingie, I know where the money goes.
 
2013-06-19 01:31:49 PM
They had signs posted all over the Deschutes forest about how the trees are fertilized with people poop several years back. Kind of nasty and not something that draws the crowds to a national forest.
 
2013-06-19 01:37:15 PM
Oh, and I suppose HIS s*** doesn't stink.
 
2013-06-19 01:40:42 PM

ThreadSinger: If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with.


Why do you want to jam the government's beak into everything? Do you think we can build a successful enterprise with regulators looking over our shoulders every minute? You think that will be a Job Creator? Do you want Texas to become another Socialist Satellite State? Do you hate freedom?
 
2013-06-19 01:46:38 PM

dougls_99: Soylent Green is PEOPLE!


Ha! I just watched that last night. Weird little film.

As has already been said upthread, there's a shiat-ton of stuff in human waste that I would NOT want on my food. Besides the disease risks - all the frikin medicines we as a society gobble up. Vegetables impregnated with antidepressants, oxycontin, steroids and hormones - Yum! Plus all the illegal drugs like meth and bath salts. Tasty.

/hm, I ate a tomato and now I have tits. Thanks Texas!
 
2013-06-19 02:07:14 PM
Oh great, now I not only have to worry about my produce making its own pesticides and stress responses to herbicides, I have other peoples' pharmaceutical residues in my food too. Big fan of humanure done right, but it should only be used on crops that won't enter the food web (har, har maybe biofuel crops?) or, well, if it's from hippies who don't ingest anything gross.
 
2013-06-19 02:11:48 PM
And I have never in my life smelled anything like what we've been smelling here

His shiat don't stink?
 
2013-06-19 02:15:38 PM
* and other peoples' prions and heavy metals, I am reminded by reading thread. Though from geology classes I seem to remember mumblings of plants such as tobacco and cat-tails being supposedly good at sucking up heavy metals contamination e.g. in bioremediation ponds at mine sites.
 
2013-06-19 02:31:31 PM
The heavy metal thing is not correct.  Or rather it's a conflation of two issues.

If we had lots of heavy metals in our poop, then they obviously wouldn't be accumulating in our tissue, and so the point is moot.
The problem is that lots of other things that get into the waste stream (batteries, electronics, appliances, glass) have lots of lead and other heavy metals in them.
A home composting toilet would not be a problem for the heavy metals.

The pathogens, however, are another story altogether.
 
2013-06-19 02:41:26 PM

FrancoFile: Milorganite points, opens a beer, and laughs.


Weve got a bag in the garage, sometimes i wonder how much of it is mine. Like parts per million? Parts per thousand?
 
2013-06-19 02:42:35 PM

FrancoFile: The heavy metal thing is not correct.  Or rather it's a conflation of two issues.

If we had lots of heavy metals in our poop, then they obviously wouldn't be accumulating in our tissue, and so the point is moot.
The problem is that lots of other things that get into the waste stream (batteries, electronics, appliances, glass) have lots of lead and other heavy metals in them.
A home composting toilet would not be a problem for the heavy metals.

The pathogens, however, are another story altogether.


The pathogens, however, are another story
 
2013-06-19 03:02:26 PM
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Somebody has used poop for fertilizer.  How will I ever survive?  Get over it you bunch of nancies.  What do you want ot bet the same posters worried about heavy metals are also the same posters in the food threads saying lobster, crab, clams, shrimp, etc YUM!
 
2013-06-19 03:09:12 PM

blatz514: FrancoFile: The heavy metal thing is not correct.  Or rather it's a conflation of two issues.

If we had lots of heavy metals in our poop, then they obviously wouldn't be accumulating in our tissue, and so the point is moot.
The problem is that lots of other things that get into the waste stream (batteries, electronics, appliances, glass) have lots of lead and other heavy metals in them.
A home composting toilet would not be a problem for the heavy metals.

The pathogens, however, are another story altogether.

The pathogens, however, are another story


The pathogens, however, are another story.
 
2013-06-19 03:49:37 PM
Guess he's never been to Korea.


/watch out for the turtle ditches too.
 
2013-06-19 04:01:22 PM

snowshovel: Dear Julie Lambert of Texas,

Welcome to your free market paradise, which as you have recently found out, may have consequences that you personally don't like and may, in fact, personally affect you in ways you didn't imagine. This is why we occasionally use things like "regulations" and "governmental oversight" and all sort of naughty socialist and fascists words.


(Then again, I can see Texas banning this stuff, if only because it's a bio-recyclable process, which sounds all enviro-hippie and liberal, and therefore must be stopped...at...all...costs...)


Try dumping this stuff near Malibu in the land of rich liberal celebrities and you'd have the same result, if not more so.  Some things aren't political.  This is one of them.
 
2013-06-19 04:09:55 PM

phlegmmo: blatz514: FrancoFile: The heavy metal thing is not correct.  Or rather it's a conflation of two issues.

If we had lots of heavy metals in our poop, then they obviously wouldn't be accumulating in our tissue, and so the point is moot.
The problem is that lots of other things that get into the waste stream (batteries, electronics, appliances, glass) have lots of lead and other heavy metals in them.
A home composting toilet would not be a problem for the heavy metals.

The pathogens, however, are another story altogether.

The pathogens, however, are another story

The pathogens, however, are another story.


The Parthians, however, are another story.
 
2013-06-19 04:16:24 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: phlegmmo: blatz514: FrancoFile: The heavy metal thing is not correct.  Or rather it's a conflation of two issues.

If we had lots of heavy metals in our poop, then they obviously wouldn't be accumulating in our tissue, and so the point is moot.
The problem is that lots of other things that get into the waste stream (batteries, electronics, appliances, glass) have lots of lead and other heavy metals in them.
A home composting toilet would not be a problem for the heavy metals.

The pathogens, however, are another story altogether.

The pathogens, however, are another story

The pathogens, however, are another story.

The Parthians, however, are another story.


This is true.
 
2013-06-19 06:19:27 PM

MythDragon: Guess he's never been to Korea.


/watch out for the turtle ditches too.


When I was there in the late 80s, we were told never to eat the local fruit because it was likely to have been fertilized with human poo and was a significant risk of Hep C and various other ills. The watermelon and strawberries there were enormous, and the sweetest ones I've ever eaten, though.

/doesn't have Hep C
//Never fell in a turtle ditch my whole time there, despite all the soju swilling we did back then.
 
2013-06-19 07:40:11 PM

Jackpot777: Oh, and I suppose HIS s*** doesn't stink.


"Did you ever notice that your own farts smell OK?"

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 08:24:02 PM
Humanure! HA!

/Off to show this to my buddy who totes wanted to try this
 
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