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(KHOU Houston)   "And I have never in my life smelled anything like what we've been smelling here the last three weeks," exclaimed one man describing the use of human waste as fertilizer   (khou.com) divider line 102
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2013-06-19 09:11:57 AM  
"except, of course, when i pooped this morning", he added
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 09:12:40 AM  
Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.
 
2013-06-19 09:24:13 AM  
We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.
 
2013-06-19 09:58:46 AM  
Is it like the whole town ate Taco Bell?
 
2013-06-19 10:10:32 AM  
I worked for a while at an environmental lab in college, and we were called in as consultants to evaluate a company that did this in NJ.  They take processed, municipal sludge (I forget the exact word) and then dry it out in their facility for later use as fertilizer.  The reason that we were there was that a farmer had died, apparently overcome by this one specific VOC after using their product (or a similar one) on his farm.  We had to do GC tests to see if that VOC was actually present in significant quantity.

It was.

ZAZ: Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


The biological contaminant problem didn't come up; the processing was designed to kill off bacteria I figure.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:50 AM  
I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?
 
2013-06-19 10:25:17 AM  
Milorganite points, opens a beer, and laughs.
 
2013-06-19 10:26:58 AM  

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


Processed human waste is actually a perfect solution and works much better than other fertilizers
 
2013-06-19 10:27:51 AM  

vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.


For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.  Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?
 
2013-06-19 10:27:57 AM  
never been near a pig farm, eh?
 
2013-06-19 10:28:05 AM  
Great. So now I have to worry about finding peanuts in my corn and wondering how it got there.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:09 AM  
Hey Texas, you reap what you smell.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:48 AM  
"And I have never in my life smelled anything like what we've been smelling here the last three weeks"

Can't I take one goddamn vacation without the natives getting their sh*t in a knot?
Relax! I'm heading home tomorrow!
 
2013-06-19 10:30:04 AM  
Well, no shiat.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:29 AM  

FrancoFile: Milorganite points, opens a beer, and laughs.


This.  Lesco used to sell their own version, as well.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:58 AM  

Walker: I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?


That's perfectly reasonable.  Animals don't have diseases adapted to your body.  Dog poop is gross, human poop will kill you.
 
2013-06-19 10:32:29 AM  
Ewwwwww.  Cow poop is fine.  Because can't eat BW3's the night before and drink a 12 pack of heinekin.

If they could, I probably wouldn't be comfortable using their poop as fertilizer.  Or eating them.  Or really doing anything but partying with them.
 
2013-06-19 10:32:58 AM  

plutoniumfeather: never been near a pig farm, eh?


Or broiler houses...
 
2013-06-19 10:33:55 AM  
How farking dumb can you get?You're supposed to  hot compost it for at least a year,and then you use it to fertilize your perrenials or use it for soil regeneration.But the composting is key;what debilitated moron thought that this would be the right way to do it? Oh...Texan...nevermind.
 
2013-06-19 10:33:59 AM  
Move to agricultural area.

Complain about agricultural processes.

Profit.
 
2013-06-19 10:36:06 AM  
So it's eat shiat and die time.
 
2013-06-19 10:36:31 AM  
And just where the fark should they put it?
 
2013-06-19 10:36:32 AM  
How could they tell the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB3ME_Xem0
 
2013-06-19 10:36:45 AM  
Come to think of it, when I was a kid my hometown used local biosolids in the parks and medians, and for a while they would give it away to homeowners if available.  I think I remember my dad bringing some home once in metal trashcans.

Use on ornamental plants is fine, use on food crops is a different story.
 
2013-06-19 10:37:42 AM  

plutoniumfeather


never been near a pig farm, eh?


Be wary of any man who owns a pig farm.

img.fark.net


pic is borrowed
 
2013-06-19 10:37:54 AM  
He fought off flies while explaining that farmers want the fertilizer and have a right to use it.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit to use human shiat as fertilizer?  Who knew?
 
2013-06-19 10:38:20 AM  
Wow, not a lot of the typical crappy jokes in here...

/I am disappoint.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:53 AM  
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
 
2013-06-19 10:41:00 AM  
That article featured improper use of colons.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:58 AM  

dougls_99


Soylent Green is PEOPLE! POOPLE!
 
2013-06-19 10:42:07 AM  

Walker: I don't want human poop fertilizing my food. Animal poop is fine though. Wait, what?


Using pig poop would give your veggies that bacon flavor, right?  It would save time with baked potatoes.

/maybe sell the processed human waste as soylent green.
 
2013-06-19 10:43:57 AM  

Carn: vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.

For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.   Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?


If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with. As for trace medicines, drugs, or other chemicals, this is always a risk no matter what product or foodstuff you use. Not even drinking water can be purified (given current technologies) of every drug known to man, and "animal"-based fertilizers still have the same issues. To say nothing of the chemicals and biocides already spread on crops by farmers, and those picked up during processing, transport, and storage.

Plants, however, are marvelous little solar-powered molecular converters that do not care what the carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorus atoms used to be a part of, only what they can build with them. It's an elegant, if viscerally un-appealing solution to the problems of waste processing and sustainable fertilizer production. As for the smell, it can be nasty, but much of this is up to subjective opinion. Chicken, pork, and bovine fertilizer don't smell too great either.

I sympathize for the guy, and for the lady concerned about her property values (a legitimate concern), but I'm also curious to know what is normally spread on those fields. Conventional fertilizers don't generally smell too great either. And people still need to eat.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:02 AM  
Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:33 AM  
"So my property value, my worth, has it all gone to zero?"

1) Real estate is an investment
2) You should have known that before buying
 
2013-06-19 10:44:40 AM  
And that's why store bought tomatos taste like shiat.
 
2013-06-19 10:45:21 AM  
Is it safe to Use Compost Made From Treated Human Waste?

The Dirty Work of Promoting "Recycling" of America's Sewage Sludge

Biosolids scientists believe that heavy metals are immobilized in sludge forever, don't migrate into groundwater, never become bioavailable, and will not accumulate over time at sites where this material is
applied. They also claim that the organic nature of sludge ensures that land-applied sewage sludge releases nitrogen only as plants need it, and only in the amounts needed. Even pathogens, they contend, are perfectly harmonized with nature: "The organic nature of biosolids means pathogens, if present, adhere to soil, effectively preventing them from entering groundwater; [then] naturally occurring enemy microbes destroy the remaining pathogens."  According to Walker and others, heavy metals are permanently bound to organic matter such that even children ingesting biosolids are protected from lead poisoning.  Walker also considered illnesses reported by residents to be psychosomatic responses to odor and organized an EPA-funded workshop with Duke University psychologists and odor specialists to explore this theory.


This is not good.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:19 AM  
Romney may be one of the few that could build a financial empire on his own with his chit.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:42 AM  
Dear Julie Lambert of Texas,

Welcome to your free market paradise, which as you have recently found out, may have consequences that you personally don't like and may, in fact, personally affect you in ways you didn't imagine. This is why we occasionally use things like "regulations" and "governmental oversight" and all sort of naughty socialist and fascists words.


(Then again, I can see Texas banning this stuff, if only because it's a bio-recyclable process, which sounds all enviro-hippie and liberal, and therefore must be stopped...at...all...costs...)
 
2013-06-19 10:47:49 AM  

ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.


It's actually a really excellent idea, the kicker is you actually need to compost it before you use it.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:13 AM  

ThreadSinger: If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with.


The sorts of places where human waste is typically used as a fertilizer tend to be rather short on "regulators" at all levels.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:16 AM  

ThreadSinger: Carn: vernonFL: We once made "fish tea" for our garden. We took some dead fish and left them in a closed bucket of water for about 2 weeks.

When we opened up that bucket to pour it onto our garden, I almost passed out because of the smell. You could smell it 100 yards away. Wow.

For fish emulsion I think you're just supposed to grind it up, mix with water, and use right away.  It will probably still stink as it decomposes in the garden, but maybe not so badly if it's spread out like that.

Processed, composted human waste might be alright for use for trees, shrubs, fill dirt, whatever, but for anything food related?  I don't farking think so.   Aside from just bacteria and disease, how about traces of medicines, drugs, or other chemicals that might be there?

If the regulators have done their jobs, then the processes used to converted waste into soil fortifiers will contain no more/less bacteria than is acceptable in soils to begin with. As for trace medicines, drugs, or other chemicals, this is always a risk no matter what product or foodstuff you use. Not even drinking water can be purified (given current technologies) of every drug known to man, and "animal"-based fertilizers still have the same issues. To say nothing of the chemicals and biocides already spread on crops by farmers, and those picked up during processing, transport, and storage.

Plants, however, are marvelous little solar-powered molecular converters that do not care what the carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorus atoms used to be a part of, only what they can build with them. It's an elegant, if viscerally un-appealing solution to the problems of waste processing and sustainable fertilizer production. As for the smell, it can be nasty, but much of this is up to subjective opinion. Chicken, pork, and bovine fertilizer don't smell too great either.

I sympathize for the guy, and for the lady concerned about her property values (a legitimate concern), but I'm also curious to know what is normally sprea ...


What about heavy metals?  The general rule in every book I've read is that you should only use plant material or poop from herbivores (or fowl that are mostly vegetarian + insects) in compost that you intend to use on food crops.  Again, I'm perfectly fine if they want to use this to fertilize trees, shrubs or whatever else.  It should not be used on food.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:41 AM  
I guess they've not capitalized on the inevitable tomato crop? Tomato seeds don't digest and readily grow after sludge processing. Post-process sludge is relatively benign. The remaining biologics aren't harmful to humans but their natural breakdown does reek like the sewers of Hades. There is zero chance of avoiding the smell unless the waste is shipped somewhere far far away until it's completely degraded. By then, it's useless as fertilizer.

\I'm not a turd herder
\\ my buddy is, though
 
2013-06-19 10:52:08 AM  

brap: ZAZ: Using human waste as fertilzer for human food is a really bad idea.  Unless you think the world is overpopulated, which it is, but still there are better ways to reduce population than cholera and the rest of the fecal-borne diseases.

It's actually a really excellent idea, the kicker is you actually need to compost it before you use it.


It most certainly is not an excellent idea.
 
2013-06-19 10:52:09 AM  
Those of you who are not crazy about the idea of using human waste as fertilizer (that includes me), would do well to know the country of origin for the produce you buy.
 
2013-06-19 10:53:17 AM  
Yeah -- i heard the problem with pig and human manure was that it built up heavy metals in the soil...
 
2013-06-19 10:54:32 AM  

snocone: Skeptical am I.
As a general rule, using human waste for fertilizing food crops is one of the inviolate No-Nos.
Supposedly this stuff is composted, "a month".
Not long enough!

Get to know your spirochetes. And there are some dandy encysted baddies you will meet.


Thanks, Lorax. You speak for the poos.
 
2013-06-19 10:56:44 AM  

factoryconnection: I worked for a while at an environmental lab in college, and we were called in as consultants to evaluate a company that did this in NJ.


That explains so much about New Jersey.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:24 AM  
I made "shiaty" tomatoes once.  I had some sewer issues at home and it kept backing up.  I would have to open the drain next to the house to "relieve" the pressure.  I finally had some guys come out and check...my line from the house to my septic was cracked.  they replaced.  A few months later next to the house, and sewer drain...small tomato plants sprung up!!   I let them grow and the tomatoes where HUGE!  And tasty.  My niece vowed to never eat veggies at my house.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:29 AM  

mikefinch: Yeah -- i heard the problem with pig and human manure was that it built up heavy metals in the soil...


Sounds like it.  Another quote from the study I linked to above:

"Despite EPA's well-coordinated public-acceptance campaign, many organizations involved with agriculture and the food industry do not support sludge use. H. J. Heinz Company, Del Monte, Western Growers, and other major food suppliers refuse to accept produce grown on land treated with sewage sludge. J. M. Dryer, General Manager of Heinz' Food & Technology Systems, wrote: "[The] risk of utilizing municipal sludge, which is known to be high in heavy metals, such as cadmium and lead, is not a health risk which we need to take. This is not a publicity statement since it is rigorously enforced and we have at times dropped suppliers who have used sludge on their crop land."106 Del Monte recently confirmed its earlier position not to accept produce grown on sludged land, awaiting more convincing scientific evidence while holding to the "more conservative and prudent" position of the National Food Processors Association and the American Frozen Food Institute. In 2004, the National Farmers Union enacted a policy stating: "The current practice of . . . spreading hazardous wastes and Class B biosolids on land surfaces . . . should be discontinued [to] protect the soil and water of agricultural lands, from which the nation's food is produced."  "
 
2013-06-19 10:58:46 AM  
Freedom = excusing businesses from being responsible for the negative externalities they produce
 
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