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2013-06-19 08:59:30 AM  
spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....


It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist
 
2013-06-19 09:01:47 AM  
Simpsons did it.
 
2013-06-19 09:27:58 AM  
heh, nuts.
 
2013-06-19 09:28:02 AM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


Thank you.
 
2013-06-19 09:29:38 AM  
2 peanuts are walking down the street. One was a salted.
 
2013-06-19 09:29:49 AM  
sensational bullshiat article.
 
2013-06-19 09:30:23 AM  
img.fark.net


pic is borrowed
 
2013-06-19 09:30:44 AM  
good. weed out the inferior genes.

live without peanut butter isn't a life worth living anyhow.
 
2013-06-19 09:31:22 AM  

teylix: good. weed out the inferior genes.

live life without peanut butter isn't a life worth living anyhow.


ftfm.
 
2013-06-19 09:33:55 AM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.
 
2013-06-19 09:35:07 AM  
I'm just about to take a break and have peanut butter and banana on toast.  And I make sure the bread has extra gluten.  Also freshen my coffee with real cream.
 
2013-06-19 09:35:34 AM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


In the very same sentence, it mentions switching lunches, which is definitely potentially fatal.
 
2013-06-19 09:35:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.


Is cedar pollen food?
 
2013-06-19 09:35:39 AM  
Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv
 
2013-06-19 09:35:46 AM  
I remeber this woman in Toronto wanted all the oak trees chopped down because she was afraid that her precious snowflake would somehow be foreced to eat one. Her request spawned so much derision she had to retract the request and guess what. Her precious snowflake began to be teased and bullied.

Hovercraft parenting. Ya gotta love it.
 
2013-06-19 09:36:14 AM  
Well, if you're worried your little snowflake is going to be within ten feet of a peanut in the big scary world, keep the kid AT HOME where you can protect her in a bubble.

/Also, your bad parenting would be why the kid is getting bullied.
 
2013-06-19 09:36:23 AM  

ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?


Can peanut particulates be inhaled?
 
2013-06-19 09:37:21 AM  

darwinpolice: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

In the very same sentence, it mentions switching lunches, which is definitely potentially fatal.


that's my question there. who are these kids that don't look at what they're eating?
 
2013-06-19 09:38:25 AM  

nburghmatt: darwinpolice: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

In the very same sentence, it mentions switching lunches, which is definitely potentially fatal.

that's my question there. who are these kids that don't look at what they're eating?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-19 09:38:27 AM  
Surprisingly, classmates may prey on this vulnerability

Author has never been around children?
 
2013-06-19 09:38:30 AM  
So the bullies have stepped up the "Dee's Nuts" joke. Good for them.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?


If they're in a facility that grinds peanuts? Possibly.
If they're in a lunchroom, no.

Either way, inhalation goes to the lungs, not the stomach, so it's not going to trigger the allergy.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:08 AM  
 

Kirzania: /confused


Ok, you know what. It's early. I've only had one shot of espresso. Allergies can be via inhalation, ingestion or dermal absorption. Duh. Why ELSE would the allergy skin tests make my arms go completely batshiat?
 
2013-06-19 09:39:45 AM  
Didn't this happen on  Freaks and Geeks?
 
2013-06-19 09:40:30 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?


Not in quantities enough to cause a serious reaction. It has been published time and time again the amount of peanut dust needed to cause a serious reaction would first suffocate the person.
 
2013-06-19 09:40:54 AM  

nburghmatt: darwinpolice: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

In the very same sentence, it mentions switching lunches, which is definitely potentially fatal.

that's my question there. who are these kids that don't look at what they're eating?


I imagine a sandwich with almond butter looks pretty similar to one with peanut butter? I don't know if people with peanut allergies can eat almonds. Or soy milks looks like real milk, gluten free bread like real bread etc.
 
2013-06-19 09:41:37 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?


Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.
 
2013-06-19 09:41:43 AM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less until finally he knows everything about nothing.

All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.
 
2013-06-19 09:42:13 AM  

hailin: Not in quantities enough to cause a serious reaction. It has been published time and time again the amount of peanut dust needed to cause a serious reaction would first suffocate the person.


Though there is that...
 
2013-06-19 09:43:54 AM  
Um, intentionally and knowingly exposing someone to an allergen is aggravated assault at the minimum.  When adults do it (if it's ingested) it's attempted murder, usually first degree.

Deal with this the same way you would a bully pulling a knife on another student or hitting them with a pipe or something.  You don't need new and special regulations for it, kids have been starting physical fights since forever.

AverageAmericanGuy: Can peanut particulates be inhaled?


In quantities sufficient to cause a reaction, no.

I'm assuming you're using a loose definition of "particulates" here to mean "all the chemicals in the peanut butter".  If you literally mean particulates, then the answer is "no, and you're a farking moron".
 
2013-06-19 09:44:04 AM  
BarkingUnicorn:All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

Bullet ingestion? Clearly I've been using my gun all wrong.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:04 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.


I'm not allergic to peanuts, so I'm safe, but some kids go into anaphylactic shock when exposed to the smell of peanuts.

But Darwin's at work, eh? Culling the herd of those lesser people. Not even really people, just human-like, under-evolved animal things, isn't that right, libs?

Sometimes Fark is really disappointing.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:39 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less until finally he knows everything about nothing.

All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.


I don't think that word means what you think it means...
 
2013-06-19 09:44:53 AM  
Wan't there a Disney or Nick show where one of the characters was going to have gluten issues? So all the other kids on the show were going to throw pancakes at him/her(which would have been the best episode ever for a kid's show).  The all the gluten folks got butthurt and they did not air it

Sad - I went down the street and threw flour bombs at the family with the gluten intolerant kid in protest
 
2013-06-19 09:45:26 AM  

Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??


It's Bethesda. That kid has probably never touched a surface that wasn't sterilized first.
 
2013-06-19 09:45:45 AM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


can you help explain to me when exactly nuts (the edible kind, well, to most people) end up being more frowned upon than bringing a pocket knife to school? and who specifically i should kick in the ass because of it?
 
2013-06-19 09:45:54 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um, intentionally and knowingly exposing someone to an allergen is aggravated assault at the minimum.  When adults do it (if it's ingested) it's attempted murder, usually first degree.

Deal with this the same way you would a bully pulling a knife on another student or hitting them with a pipe or something.  You don't need new and special regulations for it, kids have been starting physical fights since forever.

AverageAmericanGuy: Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

In quantities sufficient to cause a reaction, no.

I'm assuming you're using a loose definition of "particulates" here to mean "all the chemicals in the peanut butter".


I said peanuts, not peanut butter.
 
2013-06-19 09:46:14 AM  
I wonder how large a school would need to be before effectively all foods were an allergen for one or more students, and how that could be dealt with.
 
2013-06-19 09:46:36 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

It's Bethesda. That kid has probably never touched a surface that wasn't sterilized first.


I don't know, they probably touched their mom at some point.
 
2013-06-19 09:46:46 AM  
Came for this. Am leaving disappoint.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:46:49 AM  
So if some kid is an asshat and the kid with the allergy dies, Wouldn't that be murder?
 
2013-06-19 09:46:50 AM  
They learned this from watching Doctor Who defeating cybermen.
 
2013-06-19 09:47:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.


cedar pollen doesn't cause anaphylaxis
 
2013-06-19 09:48:36 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy: Dictatorial_Flair: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

I'm not allergic to peanuts, so I'm safe, but some kids go into anaphylactic shock when exposed to the smell of peanuts.


Well if you're just going to make things up.

"How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.
 
2013-06-19 09:49:25 AM  
What the hell is wrong with kids these days? Seriously are more and more people just becoming shiatty parents? I had a food allergy as a kid, so whenever people brought birthday snacks in the parents would make sure to include a variety so I could have something. If they couldn't (like the brought in a cake) they would just call my mom and she would send me in with a snack. My classmates also took care to make sure I avoided any foods that would trigger my allergies. It wasn't a big deal though and my allergy wasn't banned from the school. We also grew up with a kid who stuttered and someone with diabetes, but none of us were bullied because of it. Maybe I grew up in some sort of Stepford community, but it just wasn't a big deal back then.
 
2013-06-19 09:50:14 AM  

CitizenjaQ: Didn't this happen on  Freaks and Geeks?


"So what now, Haverchuck? Do we need to call an ambulence?"
"Yes."
 
2013-06-19 09:50:24 AM  

ChaosStar: BarkingUnicorn: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less until finally he knows everything about nothing.

All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...


I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean.
 
2013-06-19 09:51:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Dictatorial_Flair: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

I'm not allergic to peanuts, so I'm safe, but some kids go into anaphylactic shock when exposed to the smell of peanuts.

But Darwin's at work, eh? Culling the herd of those lesser people. Not even really people, just human-like, under-evolved animal things, isn't that right, libs?

Sometimes Fark is really disappointing.


The smell of peanuts doesn't come from the protein, which is the part responsible for the allergen. It's why people with peanut allergies can still eat peanut oil and things cooked in it.
 
2013-06-19 09:52:39 AM  

Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.


Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring
.
 
2013-06-19 09:52:56 AM  

Astorix: I remeber this woman in Toronto wanted all the oak trees chopped down because she was afraid that her precious snowflake would somehow be foreced to eat one. Her request spawned so much derision she had to retract the request and guess what. Her precious snowflake began to be teased and bullied.

Hovercraft parenting. Ya gotta love it.


I'm having a mental picture of some kid being force-fed an oak tree.
 
2013-06-19 09:53:03 AM  

mysticcat: cedar pollen doesn't cause anaphylaxis


I thought that almost anything potentially could, but most things were simply so rarely a problem that they're safe to ignore? I imagine there are cases of anaphylaxis where the cause was unknown... and if those resulted in death, determining what the cause was would be complicated?

Are there other kinds of reactions aside from anaphylaxis that carry a real risk of serious injury or death?
 
2013-06-19 09:53:04 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!


BarkingUnicorn:All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too. But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

Bullet ingestion? Clearly I've been using my gun all wrong.


This is why shooters often yell "Eat lead!".
 
2013-06-19 09:53:12 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:54:38 AM  
Heh. That's funny. Good to see the bullies getting creative.
 
2013-06-19 09:54:50 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ChaosStar: BarkingUnicorn: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less until finally he knows everything about nothing.

All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean.


Putting quotation marks around a word doesn't make its improper use proper, even when trying to use it ironically.
Example: You're a "genius" - correct
Example: You're a "genus" - Incorrect
 
2013-06-19 09:55:46 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm having a mental picture of some kid being force-fed an oak tree.


You filthy pervert.
 
2013-06-19 09:56:28 AM  
Dictatorial_Flair:

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

Peanut allergies are due to PROTEIN components of the peanut.  The smell is caused by small molecules, not proteins.  The compounds responsible for the smell are not the ones that cause allergies.
 
2013-06-19 09:58:22 AM  

AndreMA: mysticcat: cedar pollen doesn't cause anaphylaxis

I thought that almost anything potentially could, but most things were simply so rarely a problem that they're safe to ignore? I imagine there are cases of anaphylaxis where the cause was unknown... and if those resulted in death, determining what the cause was would be complicated?

Are there other kinds of reactions aside from anaphylaxis that carry a real risk of serious injury or death?


A sneezing fit could distract a driver and cause her to drive off a bridge.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:03 AM  

AndreMA: Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm having a mental picture of some kid being force-fed an oak tree.

You filthy pervert.


I gotta be me.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:05 AM  

teylix: good. weed out the inferior genes.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:59:34 AM  
If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:51 AM  
Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.
 
2013-06-19 10:00:30 AM  

CitizenjaQ: Didn't this happen on  Freaks and Geeks?


Came looking for this.

Making someone eat something they are allergic to is bullying, and dangerous.

Having that same food in the same classroom/cafeteria/general area as the person, and calling that a danger? Give me a break...

And no, cedar/other pollen is not a food, and doesn't have to be ingested, but I somehow doubt any students are weaponizing ragweed as a bullying technique.
 
2013-06-19 10:01:29 AM  

AndreMA: If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.


And so you're fine with a kid having an anaphylactic response to the smell.

Sure, I understand. Science is so pure. A is A, and all that.

Nevermind that the reactions and risk is still very real.
 
2013-06-19 10:02:14 AM  

cs30109: Dictatorial_Flair:

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

Peanut allergies are due to PROTEIN components of the peanut.  The smell is caused by small molecules, not proteins.  The compounds responsible for the smell are not the ones that cause allergies.


Well, yeah. But that wasn't the question.
 
2013-06-19 10:03:08 AM  
That is a headline! Well played sir
 
2013-06-19 10:04:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.


Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.
 
2013-06-19 10:05:08 AM  

Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Dictatorial_Flair: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

I'm not allergic to peanuts, so I'm safe, but some kids go into anaphylactic shock when exposed to the smell of peanuts.

Well if you're just going to make things up.

"How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.


well, I guess that kinda answered my question

/time to kick some dumb parents asses
 
2013-06-19 10:06:28 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.


Thank you.
/ also not supposed to flick milk at non-allergic kids, unless they've begun allowing food fights in schools again, in which case, I'm conflicted because those are fun
 
2013-06-19 10:07:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: AndreMA: If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.

And so you're fine with a kid having an anaphylactic response to the smell.

Sure, I understand. Science is so pure. A is A, and all that.

Nevermind that the reactions and risk is still very real.


A commonly held belief is that the odor from peanut products such as peanut butter can result in
allergic reactions and anaphylaxis. There are, in fact, a number of case reports in the medical
literature of patients who report symptoms of difficulty breathing, chest tightness, skin rashes,
itching, and various other symptoms-all from smelling peanut butter or being in the presence of
peanut products. However, a recent blinded, placebo-controlled trial of children exposed to open
peanut butter was unable to document any reactions (Sicherer et al).


SOURCE

I acknowledge that this is ten years old. If you have more recent data, I'd be interested in taking a look.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:39 AM  
There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

Bullies and psychopaths with no regard for human life are different things. That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops. If your kid has that little empathy then why should i have any empathy against tossing them head first into an embarrassing and drawn out legal problem? You dont feel bad when your dog kills a rat -- Dont feel bad about turning a little poisoning little monster over to the cops.

Real bullies skate under the line. They dont have to touch you to make you feel like crap. Bullying  is a psychological game way more than it is ever a physical one.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:49 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.


I think you miss the point in that there will always be bullies as kids can't be watched 24/7. So instead of panicking over every little thing and teaching kids to be afraid of anything and everything, teach them to man up and move on.
Or do you honestly believe we can wipe out bullying?
 
2013-06-19 10:12:37 AM  
Ban histamine.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:17 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.


Actually it's assault and it needs to stop regardless of allergies.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:24 AM  

Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.

Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.


The risk due to the physical reaction is just as great whether they are smelling the peanuts or eating them. Whatever cause you're attributing the reaction is irrelevant except to pretend like the risk isn't real. And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:30 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.


My daughter never had formula; my wife breastfed her exclusively for her first six months. My daughter is still allergic to peanuts.
 
2013-06-19 10:17:08 AM  
Fark headline, 2014:  eight-year-old arrested for writing the words, "milk" and "peanut butter" on a piece of paper.
 
2013-06-19 10:17:32 AM  
Weapons of Mass Destruction!!

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 10:23:04 AM  
Pack.  Your.  Lunch.

/Go eat in the gym if you have to.  Frankly, with all the bully hysteria I'm finding it hard to believe that this is even an issue.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.

Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.

The risk due to the physical reaction is just as great whether they are smelling the peanuts or eating them. Whatever cause you're attributing the reaction is irrelevant except to pretend like the risk isn't real. And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.


It is funny you can write but you obviously can't read since you just contradicted the entire article I linked.

Oh well. welcome to ignore.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:05 AM  
ChaosStar:  I think you miss the point in that there will always be bullies as kids can't be watched 24/7. So instead of panicking over every little thing and teaching kids to be afraid of anything and everything, teach them to man up and move on.
Or do you honestly believe we can wipe out bullying?



There's a difference between letting a kid deal with a jerk on his own, and needing to step in as an adult and let a bully know, in no uncertain terms, that what he's doing is wrong and won't be put up with.  Some things are so obviously wrong that you can't just let a kid work it out.  Some kid with a serious "I eat peanuts and I could die" allergy having peanut butter shoved into his face?  That bully doesn't care whether it will actually kill the other kid or not, he's getting his jollies on watching his victim try to stop him and knowing that he probably won't succeed.   Even if it won't kill him, adults can't let that pass.
 
2013-06-19 10:26:10 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.


I know this wasn't directed at me, but a peanut free table serves the valid, hipocrisy-free function of making sharing and eating sandwiches less likely. Totally independent of the issue of peanut smell triggering (or not) reactions.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:14 AM  
FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

2012.riverrunfilm.com
 
2013-06-19 10:32:53 AM  
Just because I cannot keep a straight face and say "peanut-free zone" doesn't mean it's not a serious issue.
 
2013-06-19 10:35:02 AM  
mikefinch:

Real bullies skate under the line. They dont have to touch you to make you feel like crap. Bullying  is a psychological game way more than it is ever a physical one.

If you're a female, sure.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:02 AM  

ChaosStar: All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean.

Putting quotation marks around a word doesn't make its improper use proper, even when trying to use it ironically.
Example: You're a "genius" - correct
Example: You're a "genus" - Incorrect


Yep. I was right.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:21 AM  
I can't decide which Fark Medical Experttm to believe on this topic.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:08 AM  
But the people with peanut allergies never get nutty poops.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:18 AM  

mikefinch: There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops.


Drag them by the hair, huh?  Just because you are bigger than them?  I'm sure using violence to stop the bully from bullying will teach them a lesson!
 
2013-06-19 10:51:37 AM  
i.imgur.com

DOES NOT APPROVE !
 
2013-06-19 10:58:21 AM  

CorruptDB: mikefinch: There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops.

Drag them by the hair, huh?  Just because you are bigger than them?  I'm sure using violence to stop the bully from bullying will teach them a lesson!


Sometimes, it does.   It helps the bully to comprehend what it might feel like to be the victim once.
 
2013-06-19 11:06:30 AM  

AndreMA: AverageAmericanGuy: And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but a peanut free table serves the valid, hipocrisy-free function of making sharing and eating sandwiches less likely. Totally independent of the issue of peanut smell triggering (or not) reactions.


You might as well tell that to the wall. It's just as likely to understand.
 
2013-06-19 11:07:34 AM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 560x405]

DOES NOT APPROVE !


The young'ns don't learn history anymore so your reference is probably lost.  Good one though!
 
2013-06-19 11:09:06 AM  

Count_Crackula: FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

[2012.riverrunfilm.com image 300x210]


This. So much this. You people are purposely trying to protect genetic failures. Let them die the way god and nature intended ... in an anaphylactic shock from having peanuts force-fed to them by the school yard bully, Nelson.
 
2013-06-19 11:09:31 AM  
There is so much incorrect information in this thread I am going to just post this once and avoid replying to all the trolls.

My allergist, Dr Alan Lieberman of COEM, 7510 Northforest Drive, North Charleston, SC 29420, has had at least one patient who would literally convulse immediately if someone opened a jar of peanut butter in the same room.  No mention of anaphylaxis was made,  but that is a pretty large and immediate reaction to an air-borne allergen that is undeniably considered by most to be actual food.

As well, this man has quite literally saved my life, as I have a shellfish allergy so severe that I do, and have, head down the path to full anaphylactic shock merely from being in the same room with, or downwind of, either raw or cooked shellfish of any genus.  It started with shrimp and has gotten progressively worse.  Alan mapped this allergy for me and helped me to understand the full implications of it's effect on my life and I am still alive and fully functional because of this understanding.

I am quite aware that many, if not most, allergy whiners are quite likely attention whores who should just farking get on with their life.  I have simply gotten on with it, and I only mention my condition in the process of attempting to be functional and Get Through My Day while avoiding the annoyance of sickness or dying.

I am not going to post the 1/2-inch thick documentation that I have on file, nor bother replying to the naysayers that will inevitably pop up.  You can take my (and Alan's) word for it or not, but one can have very severe reactions including full anaphylaxis to air-borne allergens, including food.  Anyone saying differently is disingenuous at best.
 
2013-06-19 11:14:19 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.


Some people can't breastfeed. I tried to breastfeed my first son. My nipples cracked and started bleeding. By the time they were better my breasts became so engorged with milk they were hard as a rock the doctor couldn't even pump the milk. He had to bind my breasts to make the milk go away. The pain was awful. I ended up having to bottle feed my son. Don't be a dick.
 
2013-06-19 11:18:33 AM  

seadoo2006: Count_Crackula: FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

[2012.riverrunfilm.com image 300x210]

This. So much this. You people are purposely trying to protect genetic failures. Let them die the way god and nature intended ... in an anaphylactic shock from having peanuts force-fed to them by the school yard bully, Nelson.


Thank you for condeming my 8 year old to death for no reason other than her allergy offends you.....way to go humanity
 
2013-06-19 11:22:23 AM  

Feindevil: seadoo2006: Count_Crackula: FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

[2012.riverrunfilm.com image 300x210]

This. So much this. You people are purposely trying to protect genetic failures. Let them die the way god and nature intended ... in an anaphylactic shock from having peanuts force-fed to them by the school yard bully, Nelson.

Thank you for condeming my 8 year old to death for no reason other than her allergy offends you.....way to go humanity


Then buy your crotch fruit of genetic failure one of these ...

cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2013-06-19 12:33:05 PM  

ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

If they're in a facility that grinds peanuts? Possibly.
If they're in a lunchroom, no.

Either way, inhalation goes to the lungs, not the stomach, so it's not going to trigger the allergy.

Wrong sir. any area containing a mucosa  can absorb particulates. Thy do you think pollen allergy reactions happen.
 
2013-06-19 12:36:16 PM  
Either way, inhalation goes to the lungs, not the stomach, so it's not going to trigger the allergy.


No, it's in their head, so anything they think can trigger it, will. Haven't you been listening?
 
2013-06-19 12:41:46 PM  

hailin: What the hell is wrong with kids these days? Seriously are more and more people just becoming shiatty parents? I had a food allergy as a kid, so whenever people brought birthday snacks in the parents would make sure to include a variety so I could have something. If they couldn't (like the brought in a cake) they would just call my mom and she would send me in with a snack. My classmates also took care to make sure I avoided any foods that would trigger my allergies. It wasn't a big deal though and my allergy wasn't banned from the school. We also grew up with a kid who stuttered and someone with diabetes, but none of us were bullied because of it. Maybe I grew up in some sort of Stepford community, but it just wasn't a big deal back then.


No, you were just born before everyone became a douchenozzle.
 
2013-06-19 12:47:00 PM  

doubled99: Either way, inhalation goes to the lungs, not the stomach, so it's not going to trigger the allergy.


No, it's in their head, so anything they think can trigger it, will. Haven't you been listening?


It goes from their lungs straight into their head?  It's worse than we thought!!  Ban peanuts!!!
 
2013-06-19 12:53:27 PM  
What's the over/under on when peanuts are completely banned in America?

I'm not looking forward to the day I have to pay $100 for a jar of black market Skippy, but I will pay it, damn you!
 
2013-06-19 01:07:06 PM  

teylix: good. weed out the inferior genes.

live without peanut butter isn't a life worth living anyhow.


Allergies may or may not be the result of genes.  Scientists continue to argue about the cause of higher allergy rates in children.  I like the theory that we are too clean.  Our immune systems don't get attacked as much so they lock onto something that may not be as harmful such as peanuts or shellfish.
 
2013-06-19 01:11:47 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 01:12:14 PM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


So when my child's allergy doctor tells us not to let him touch it because he could break out in hives, she's just lying to us?  Please consider your comments before you post.  Allergens on the skin can be dangerous too.  If the child is exposed to their allergen, then they wipe their eyes, nose or mouth, the allergen can then enter their system.  If you're an allergist, you know this.  Unless, once again, you think our allergy doctor is lying to us.

Going to go with our allergy doctor on this one since her degrees on the wall of her office, and your random internet guy making claims.
 
2013-06-19 01:17:44 PM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


I have you favorited as "allergist/immunologist," but I'd rather continue in my beliefs that even talking about gluten in front of little Bryleigh will bring about her swift demise.
 
2013-06-19 01:22:43 PM  

Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."
FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv


Well, for the first, my brother had that. He got over it because he wasn't exposed to any PARTICLES IN THE AIR, MYSTICCAT, WHICH CAN AND DO CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS FOR FOOD ALLERGIES AND RESULTED IN MY BROTHER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS FRIED EGGS SO HIS THROAT DIDN'T SWELL UP.

/Slightly touchy about people who are like 'allergies, pfft, that's nothing!'
//But yeah, particles? Can, and do, cause allergic reactions EVEN WITH FOOD.
///And yes, those three exist in that combination. Hopefully the kids grow out of it.
 
2013-06-19 01:27:47 PM  
The bullies I grew up with were the type to force-feed peanut butter to an allergic kid.

Fortunately, they didn't know of any.
 
2013-06-19 01:33:42 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Krymson Tyde: HindiDiscoMonster: People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.

My daughter never had formula; my wife breastfed her exclusively for her first six months. My daughter is still allergic to peanuts.

then your wife does not have antibodies either.


Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

Moran
 
2013-06-19 01:34:13 PM  
So I could in theory stage a terroist takeover of a school with just a gallon of milk, bag of flour, and a jar of peanut butter. Intresting.
 
2013-06-19 01:34:26 PM  

PsiChick: Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."
FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv

Well, for the first, my brother had that. He got over it because he wasn't exposed to any PARTICLES IN THE AIR, MYSTICCAT, WHICH CAN AND DO CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS FOR FOOD ALLERGIES AND RESULTED IN MY BROTHER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS FRIED EGGS SO HIS THROAT DIDN'T SWELL UP.

/Slightly touchy about people who are like 'allergies, pfft, that's nothing!'
//But yeah, particles? Can, and do, cause allergic reactions EVEN WITH FOOD.
///And yes, those three exist in that combination. Hopefully the kids grow out of it.


Uh, I'm allergic to soft shell ... but you don't see me going to Red Lobster and then biatching because my throat swells up inside.  If your crotch fruit is that deathly allergic to foods that they cannot be in the same vicinity as them, you either need to wrap them in a cellophane bubble (where, hopefully, they suffocate) or you need to home school them because they truly need to live sheltered lives. 

However, if your allergy prevents me from bringing food on a plane, or giving my kid a PB&J sandwich at lunch, or having to throw away anything that slightly resembles the food allergies because your kid is coming over, THAT'S where I draw the line.

Don't purposely inconvenience others because you have a genetic mutant who, by nature, should die off.
 
2013-06-19 01:37:56 PM  

seadoo2006: Uh, I'm allergic to soft shell ... but you don't see me going to Red Lobster and then biatching because my throat swells up inside.  If your crotch fruit is that deathly allergic to foods that they cannot be in the same vicinity as them, you either need to wrap them in a cellophane bubble (where, hopefully, they suffocate) or you need to home school them because they truly need to live sheltered lives. 

However, if your allergy prevents me from bringing food on a plane, or giving my kid a PB&J sandwich at lunch, or having to throw away anything that slightly resembles the food allergies because your kid is coming over, THAT'S where I draw the line.

Don't purposely inconvenience others because you have a genetic mutant who, by nature, should die off.


A) You just seriously made the argument that you believe in killing children with allergies. Did you  think before typing that?

B) Said children actually do have all the same rights you and your own children do, including the right to experience society. They have allergies, they're not farking felons.
 
2013-06-19 01:41:26 PM  

PsiChick: seadoo2006: Uh, I'm allergic to soft shell ... but you don't see me going to Red Lobster and then biatching because my throat swells up inside.  If your crotch fruit is that deathly allergic to foods that they cannot be in the same vicinity as them, you either need to wrap them in a cellophane bubble (where, hopefully, they suffocate) or you need to home school them because they truly need to live sheltered lives. 

However, if your allergy prevents me from bringing food on a plane, or giving my kid a PB&J sandwich at lunch, or having to throw away anything that slightly resembles the food allergies because your kid is coming over, THAT'S where I draw the line.

Don't purposely inconvenience others because you have a genetic mutant who, by nature, should die off.

A) You just seriously made the argument that you believe in killing children with allergies. Did you  think before typing that?

B) Said children actually do have all the same rights you and your own children do, including the right to experience society. They have allergies, they're not farking felons.


Meh ...

cdn.meme.li
 
2013-06-19 01:52:33 PM  

chuggernaught: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

So when my child's allergy doctor tells us not to let him touch it because he could break out in hives, she's just lying to us?  Please consider your comments before you post.  Allergens on the skin can be dangerous too.  If the child is exposed to their allergen, then they wipe their eyes, nose or mouth, the allergen can then enter their system.  If you're an allergist, you know this.  Unless, once again, you think our allergy doctor is lying to us.

Going to go with our allergy doctor on this one since her degrees on the wall of her office, and your random internet guy making claims.


chuggernaught: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

So when my child's allergy doctor tells us not to let him touch it because he could break out in hives, she's just lying to us?  Please consider your comments before you post.  Allergens on the skin can be dangerous too.  If the child is exposed to their allergen, then they wipe their eyes, nose or mouth, the allergen can then enter their system.  If you're an allergist, you know this.  Unless, once again, you think our allergy doctor is lying to us.

Going to go with our allergy doctor on this one since her degrees on the wall of her office, and your random internet guy making claims.


I'm not aware of any cases of anaphylaxis resulting from cutaneous exposure.  Hand-to-mouth I'll buy, but hand-to-eye or skin should just result in local swelling if anything.  Hives from cutaneous allergen exposure aren't dangerous, just itchy.

Wainstein BK, Kashef S, Ziegler M, Jelley D, Ziegler JB. Frequency and significance of immediate contact reactions to peanut inpeanut-sensitive children. Clin Exp Allergy. 2007; 37(6): 839-845.

Simonte SJ, Sonhui M, Shideh M, Sicherer S. Relevance of casual contact with peanut butter in children with peanut allergy. J Allergy Clin Immunol, 2003(112):180-182.

PsiChick: Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."
FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv

Well, for the first, my brother had that. He got over it because he wasn't exposed to any PARTICLES IN THE AIR, MYSTICCAT, WHICH CAN AND DO CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS FOR FOOD ALLERGIES AND RESULTED IN MY BROTHER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS FRIED EGGS SO HIS THROAT DIDN'T SWELL UP.

/Slightly touchy about people who are like 'allergies, pfft, that's nothing!'
//But yeah, particles? Can, and do, cause allergic reactions EVEN WITH FOOD.
///And yes, those three exist in that combination. Hopefully the kids grow out of it.


Aerosolized food reactions result in reactions similar to inhalant allergens.  There is not enough systemic absorption to cause anaphylaxis, nor should they cause throat swelling.

Roberts G, Golder N, Lack G. Bronchial challenges with aerosolized food in asthmatic, food-allergic children.Allergy.2002; 57: 713-7.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:35 PM  

mysticcat: PsiChick: Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."
FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv

Well, for the first, my brother had that. He got over it because he wasn't exposed to any PARTICLES IN THE AIR, MYSTICCAT, WHICH CAN AND DO CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS FOR FOOD ALLERGIES AND RESULTED IN MY BROTHER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS FRIED EGGS SO HIS THROAT DIDN'T SWELL UP.

/Slightly touchy about people who are like 'allergies, pfft, that's nothing!'
//But yeah, particles? Can, and do, cause allergic reactions EVEN WITH FOOD.
///And yes, those three exist in that combination. Hopefully the kids grow out of it.

Aerosolized food reactions result in reactions similar to inhalant allergens.  There is not enough systemic absorption to cause anaphylaxis, nor should they cause throat swelling.

Roberts G, Golder N, Lack G. Bronchial challenges with aerosolized food in asthmatic, food-allergic children.Allergy.2002; 57: 713-7.


So my brother's throat swelled up because he was imagining things. Riiight.
 
2013-06-19 02:20:29 PM  

mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist


This! THIS THIS THIS THIS!!

I'm so sick and tired of idiots who self-diagnose their kids and are perfectly convinced that a stray peanut molecule will cause their snowflakes to burst into salsa chunks.
 
2013-06-19 02:38:37 PM  
Food allergies can and should be cured by adding low doses of common allergens to baby formula.
 
2013-06-19 03:09:39 PM  

PsiChick: mysticcat: PsiChick: Kirzania: Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat

Fark me, how does this happen??

mysticcat: Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."
FTFA: Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child.
/confused
//doesn't have food related allergies like this, obv

Well, for the first, my brother had that. He got over it because he wasn't exposed to any PARTICLES IN THE AIR, MYSTICCAT, WHICH CAN AND DO CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS FOR FOOD ALLERGIES AND RESULTED IN MY BROTHER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO BE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS FRIED EGGS SO HIS THROAT DIDN'T SWELL UP.

/Slightly touchy about people who are like 'allergies, pfft, that's nothing!'
//But yeah, particles? Can, and do, cause allergic reactions EVEN WITH FOOD.
///And yes, those three exist in that combination. Hopefully the kids grow out of it.

Aerosolized food reactions result in reactions similar to inhalant allergens.  There is not enough systemic absorption to cause anaphylaxis, nor should they cause throat swelling.

Roberts G, Golder N, Lack G. Bronchial challenges with aerosolized food in asthmatic, food-allergic children.Allergy.2002; 57: 713-7.

So my brother's throat swelled up because he was imagining things. Riiight.


Your bio describes you as a psychic, so I'm inclined to side with the doctor on this one. And every single other disagreement the two of you might have in perpetuity forever and ever.
 
2013-06-19 03:18:16 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Your bio describes you as a psychic, so I'm inclined to side with the doctor on this one. And every single other disagreement the two of you might have in perpetuity forever and ever.


Because naturally a Pagan religious belief means I'm inherently a liar about my brother's allergies, which were life-threatening at the time.
 
2013-06-19 03:20:08 PM  

PsiChick


B) Said children actually do have all the same rights you and your own children do, including the right to experience society. They have allergies, they're not farking felons.


Children do not actually have any [legal] rights. Even for adults there is no actual "right to experience society".

And the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one. There is absolutely no reason to force restrictions on an entire classroom or lunchroom because Alice Allergy is genetically inferior challenged.
 
2013-06-19 04:19:22 PM  
I sincerely hope those of you describing children with food allergies in such negative terms never have to experience the worry my wife and I feel when we send our child to school. She's very young and we're teaching her about her peanut allergy, but right now she is at the mercy of the staff at her school. Thankfully they are very professional about it and understand the risks she faces everyday.
It frightens me to think there might be people like a few of you in education.
 
2013-06-19 05:39:18 PM  

mysticcat: chuggernaught: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

So when my child's allergy doctor tells us not to let him touch it because he could break out in hives, she's just lying to us?  Please consider your comments before you post.  Allergens on the skin can be dangerous too.  If the child is exposed to their allergen, then they wipe their eyes, nose or mouth, the allergen can then enter their system.  If you're an allergist, you know this.  Unless, once again, you think our allergy doctor is lying to us.

Going to go with our allergy doctor on this one since her degrees on the wall of her office, and your random internet guy making claims.

chuggernaught: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

So when my child's allergy doctor tells us not to let him touch it because he could break out in hives, she's just lying to us?  Please consider your comments before you post.  Allergens on the skin can be dangerous too.  If the child is exposed to their allergen, then they wipe their eyes, nose or mouth, the allergen can then enter their system.  If you're an allergist, you know this.  Unless, once again, you think our allergy doctor is lying to us.

Going to go with our ...



Doesn't have to be anaphylaxis, the fact that it causes the victim discomfort and poses a threat, especially to the very young or weak, is enough to grind my gears.  If I was 100% immune to the effects of poison ivy, could even eat it raw, and randomly rubbed it on people whom I knew were going to be injured, the authorities would put me away.
 
2013-06-19 06:19:24 PM  
I loved the way PsiChick seamlessly transitioned from "I listen to science and doctors, not opinions" to "My brother said it happened so I don't care that you're a doctor and all the science stuff you say"
 
2013-06-19 06:39:18 PM  

mysticcat: It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.


In which case I honestly have to wonder - perhaps it's actually COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to do the sort of "tell everyone in the class about little Jayden's peanut allergy so that everyone can be careful" type messages?

Seems it would be better to tell the teacher (so she can keep an eye out for both accidental ingestion and any bullying issues) and definitely propagandize the HELL out of little Jayden himself ("don't you ever eat anything at all whatever ever ever ever unless you know exactly where it's from, and that means from Mom only until you're older") - but NOT tell any classmates.

Most people would not think to tease anyone with peanut butter or milk or anything else if they don't already know in advance the kid has allergies.  If offered some peanut food, the kid can just say he doesn't like the stuff or just doesn't want any, no thanks.

I don't have any food allergies, but I do have a simple phobia (phobia of an object) of something so ordinary that it's all around, common, but no one in a million years would ever suspect someone would have a phobia of it.  Think "cotton balls" - only it's something else similarly innocuous.  Yeah, it's stupid, because these things aren't rational at all.  It's lizard brain territory.

As a small child, unfortunately I learned what happens if you confide this deep secret to someone who you eventually have a falling out with.  Not good.  Luckily for me we randomly moved for completely unrelated reasons, and you better believe I have never shared that secret with anyone else again.

Thing is, most people would never think to force someone to eat at item (or touch an item, in the phobia case) unless they already know it's a problem for the victim. It just doesn't cross anyone's mind.

Perhaps peanut allergies are so common now that kids might try it randomly just to see if they can get a rise out of some random kid, but it seems to me that the kid would be safer from any bullying if he keeps his allergies a secret.

I mean, why let potential enemies know what your own personal kryptonite is?
 
2013-06-19 08:21:56 PM  
Sociopathic little jerks, aren't they?
 
2013-06-20 12:09:16 AM  

CorruptDB: mikefinch: There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops.

Drag them by the hair, huh?  Just because you are bigger than them?  I'm sure using violence to stop the bully from bullying will teach them a lesson!


but their not bullies -- their psychopathic animals with no sense of empathy. They are inhuman. Poisoning someone is not bullying. Its being a psycho.
 
2013-06-20 07:30:04 AM  
bullied kids are GAY
 
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