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2013-06-19 09:53:03 AM  

mysticcat: cedar pollen doesn't cause anaphylaxis


I thought that almost anything potentially could, but most things were simply so rarely a problem that they're safe to ignore? I imagine there are cases of anaphylaxis where the cause was unknown... and if those resulted in death, determining what the cause was would be complicated?

Are there other kinds of reactions aside from anaphylaxis that carry a real risk of serious injury or death?
 
2013-06-19 09:53:04 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!


BarkingUnicorn:All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too. But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

Bullet ingestion? Clearly I've been using my gun all wrong.


This is why shooters often yell "Eat lead!".
 
2013-06-19 09:53:12 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:54:38 AM  
Heh. That's funny. Good to see the bullies getting creative.
 
2013-06-19 09:54:50 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ChaosStar: BarkingUnicorn: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

A specialist is someone who learns more and more about less and less until finally he knows everything about nothing.

All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean.


Putting quotation marks around a word doesn't make its improper use proper, even when trying to use it ironically.
Example: You're a "genius" - correct
Example: You're a "genus" - Incorrect
 
2013-06-19 09:55:46 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm having a mental picture of some kid being force-fed an oak tree.


You filthy pervert.
 
2013-06-19 09:56:28 AM  
Dictatorial_Flair:

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

Peanut allergies are due to PROTEIN components of the peanut.  The smell is caused by small molecules, not proteins.  The compounds responsible for the smell are not the ones that cause allergies.
 
2013-06-19 09:58:22 AM  

AndreMA: mysticcat: cedar pollen doesn't cause anaphylaxis

I thought that almost anything potentially could, but most things were simply so rarely a problem that they're safe to ignore? I imagine there are cases of anaphylaxis where the cause was unknown... and if those resulted in death, determining what the cause was would be complicated?

Are there other kinds of reactions aside from anaphylaxis that carry a real risk of serious injury or death?


A sneezing fit could distract a driver and cause her to drive off a bridge.
 
2013-06-19 09:58:35 AM  
People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:03 AM  

AndreMA: Pants full of macaroni!!: I'm having a mental picture of some kid being force-fed an oak tree.

You filthy pervert.


I gotta be me.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:05 AM  

teylix: good. weed out the inferior genes.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:59:11 AM  
Well, it's one of the reasons for a tit anyhow... :)
 
2013-06-19 09:59:34 AM  
If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:51 AM  
Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.
 
2013-06-19 10:00:30 AM  

CitizenjaQ: Didn't this happen on  Freaks and Geeks?


Came looking for this.

Making someone eat something they are allergic to is bullying, and dangerous.

Having that same food in the same classroom/cafeteria/general area as the person, and calling that a danger? Give me a break...

And no, cedar/other pollen is not a food, and doesn't have to be ingested, but I somehow doubt any students are weaponizing ragweed as a bullying technique.
 
2013-06-19 10:01:29 AM  

AndreMA: If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.


And so you're fine with a kid having an anaphylactic response to the smell.

Sure, I understand. Science is so pure. A is A, and all that.

Nevermind that the reactions and risk is still very real.
 
2013-06-19 10:02:14 AM  

cs30109: Dictatorial_Flair:

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

Peanut allergies are due to PROTEIN components of the peanut.  The smell is caused by small molecules, not proteins.  The compounds responsible for the smell are not the ones that cause allergies.


Well, yeah. But that wasn't the question.
 
2013-06-19 10:03:08 AM  
That is a headline! Well played sir
 
2013-06-19 10:04:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: AndreMA: If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.

And so you're fine with a kid having an anaphylactic response to the smell.

Sure, I understand. Science is so pure. A is A, and all that.

Nevermind that the reactions and risk is still very real.


make the kid wear a respirator... there... no smells. don't ban something to make the 1/10 of 1 per-cent ok while the 99 and 9/10 per-cent suffer because someone goes derpy at a smell... and yes it is derpy, there is no real reaction, it is psychological.
 
2013-06-19 10:04:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.


Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.
 
2013-06-19 10:05:08 AM  

Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Dictatorial_Flair: AverageAmericanGuy: ChaosStar: AverageAmericanGuy: mysticcat: spitting milk at a child's face and causing a swift anaphylactic reaction.......

 Just last week, one child's face was touched with peanut butter, endangering the child. .....

It doesn't work like that, people.  Now, repeat after me, "All serious food allergy reactions result from ingestion."

Stop feeding the hysteria.

/not trying to belittle real peanut allergy which is scary and can be very dangerous
//board certified allergist

And inhalation of particulates doesn't cause an allergic reaction?

I'll just go tell the cedar pollen to fark off then.

Is cedar pollen food?

Can peanut particulates be inhaled?

Ever smelled a peanut? You inhaled some of it.

I'm not allergic to peanuts, so I'm safe, but some kids go into anaphylactic shock when exposed to the smell of peanuts.

Well if you're just going to make things up.

"How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.


well, I guess that kinda answered my question

/time to kick some dumb parents asses
 
2013-06-19 10:06:09 AM  

Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.

Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.


here is your answer: "(favorite: coward,psychic,troll,out of context quotes)"
 
2013-06-19 10:06:28 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.


Thank you.
/ also not supposed to flick milk at non-allergic kids, unless they've begun allowing food fights in schools again, in which case, I'm conflicted because those are fun
 
2013-06-19 10:07:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: AndreMA: If concern over peanut dust is a reason to ban PB&J's, those must be some stale-ass sandwiches.

And yeah, the aromatic chemicals responsible for the smell are unrelated to the proteins that cause the allergic reactions.

And so you're fine with a kid having an anaphylactic response to the smell.

Sure, I understand. Science is so pure. A is A, and all that.

Nevermind that the reactions and risk is still very real.


A commonly held belief is that the odor from peanut products such as peanut butter can result in
allergic reactions and anaphylaxis. There are, in fact, a number of case reports in the medical
literature of patients who report symptoms of difficulty breathing, chest tightness, skin rashes,
itching, and various other symptoms-all from smelling peanut butter or being in the presence of
peanut products. However, a recent blinded, placebo-controlled trial of children exposed to open
peanut butter was unable to document any reactions (Sicherer et al).


SOURCE

I acknowledge that this is ten years old. If you have more recent data, I'd be interested in taking a look.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:39 AM  
There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

Bullies and psychopaths with no regard for human life are different things. That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops. If your kid has that little empathy then why should i have any empathy against tossing them head first into an embarrassing and drawn out legal problem? You dont feel bad when your dog kills a rat -- Dont feel bad about turning a little poisoning little monster over to the cops.

Real bullies skate under the line. They dont have to touch you to make you feel like crap. Bullying  is a psychological game way more than it is ever a physical one.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:49 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.


I think you miss the point in that there will always be bullies as kids can't be watched 24/7. So instead of panicking over every little thing and teaching kids to be afraid of anything and everything, teach them to man up and move on.
Or do you honestly believe we can wipe out bullying?
 
2013-06-19 10:09:02 AM  

mediaseth: Attention Whore of Babylon: Oh for...it doesn't matter whether a bully is spitting milk into an allergic kid's face or is waving a non-allergy containing stuffed toy into the kid's face.  The fact is that he's being an asshole, and needs to stop it, or be made to stop it.  The whole "that can't cause anaphylaxis" and "cull the herd" arguments are completely missing the point.

My son is allergic to milk.  Verified by allergy testing when he was 3.  He won't die if he drinks milk, but he generally avoids it because it makes him cough and gives him puffy eyes.  Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.  It's the whole "I can do whatever I want to you and you can't do anything about it" that's wrong, not the allergen red herring.

Thank you.
/ also not supposed to flick milk at non-allergic kids, unless they've begun allowing food fights in schools again, in which case, I'm conflicted because those are fun


food fights remind me of one thing:
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 10:12:37 AM  
Ban histamine.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:17 AM  

Attention Whore of Babylon: Now if some asshat kid at school found out he was allergic to milk and started flicking milk at him EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T KILL HIM, that's bullying and that needs to stop.


Actually it's assault and it needs to stop regardless of allergies.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:24 AM  

Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.

Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.


The risk due to the physical reaction is just as great whether they are smelling the peanuts or eating them. Whatever cause you're attributing the reaction is irrelevant except to pretend like the risk isn't real. And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:30 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.


My daughter never had formula; my wife breastfed her exclusively for her first six months. My daughter is still allergic to peanuts.
 
2013-06-19 10:17:08 AM  
Fark headline, 2014:  eight-year-old arrested for writing the words, "milk" and "peanut butter" on a piece of paper.
 
2013-06-19 10:17:32 AM  
Weapons of Mass Destruction!!

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 10:23:04 AM  
Pack.  Your.  Lunch.

/Go eat in the gym if you have to.  Frankly, with all the bully hysteria I'm finding it hard to believe that this is even an issue.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: AverageAmericanGuy: Carth: "How then do we explain the case reports that have been associated with the odor of peanuts?These can be conditioned physiologic responses, akin to the famous experiment of Pavlov, inwhich dogs were conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell. Almost any physiologic responsecan be conditioned, including changes in blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, skinrashes, and respiration. The conditioning stimulus can be the sound of a bell or in this case, thesmell and aroma of peanuts and peanut butter."

Kids who have allergic reactions to the "smell" of peanuts do it because they're parents convinced them they would.

Well, then let's go ahead and read their conclusions, then.

Most reasonable action plans that include no food sharing, hand washing, and peanut-free zone 
guidelines will prevent this from occurring.

Having a peanut free table at the lunch room makes perfect sense. I never said it didn't. I'm not seeing how my pointing out that people don't go into anaphylactic shock at the smell of peanuts means I'm against letting them have their own table during lunch.

The risk due to the physical reaction is just as great whether they are smelling the peanuts or eating them. Whatever cause you're attributing the reaction is irrelevant except to pretend like the risk isn't real. And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.


It is funny you can write but you obviously can't read since you just contradicted the entire article I linked.

Oh well. welcome to ignore.
 
2013-06-19 10:24:05 AM  
ChaosStar:  I think you miss the point in that there will always be bullies as kids can't be watched 24/7. So instead of panicking over every little thing and teaching kids to be afraid of anything and everything, teach them to man up and move on.
Or do you honestly believe we can wipe out bullying?



There's a difference between letting a kid deal with a jerk on his own, and needing to step in as an adult and let a bully know, in no uncertain terms, that what he's doing is wrong and won't be put up with.  Some things are so obviously wrong that you can't just let a kid work it out.  Some kid with a serious "I eat peanuts and I could die" allergy having peanut butter shoved into his face?  That bully doesn't care whether it will actually kill the other kid or not, he's getting his jollies on watching his victim try to stop him and knowing that he probably won't succeed.   Even if it won't kill him, adults can't let that pass.
 
2013-06-19 10:26:10 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.


I know this wasn't directed at me, but a peanut free table serves the valid, hipocrisy-free function of making sharing and eating sandwiches less likely. Totally independent of the issue of peanut smell triggering (or not) reactions.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:27 AM  

Krymson Tyde: HindiDiscoMonster: People, the tit was made for a reason... use it with your babies, not a damn bottle... allergy issue gone.

My daughter never had formula; my wife breastfed her exclusively for her first six months. My daughter is still allergic to peanuts.


then your wife does not have antibodies either.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:14 AM  
FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

2012.riverrunfilm.com
 
2013-06-19 10:32:53 AM  
Just because I cannot keep a straight face and say "peanut-free zone" doesn't mean it's not a serious issue.
 
2013-06-19 10:35:02 AM  
mikefinch:

Real bullies skate under the line. They dont have to touch you to make you feel like crap. Bullying  is a psychological game way more than it is ever a physical one.

If you're a female, sure.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:02 AM  

ChaosStar: All serious bullet reactions result from "ingestion," too.  But a gun can definitely be a bully's tool.

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean.

Putting quotation marks around a word doesn't make its improper use proper, even when trying to use it ironically.
Example: You're a "genius" - correct
Example: You're a "genus" - Incorrect


Yep. I was right.
 
2013-06-19 10:39:21 AM  
I can't decide which Fark Medical Experttm to believe on this topic.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:08 AM  
But the people with peanut allergies never get nutty poops.
 
2013-06-19 10:50:18 AM  

mikefinch: There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops.


Drag them by the hair, huh?  Just because you are bigger than them?  I'm sure using violence to stop the bully from bullying will teach them a lesson!
 
2013-06-19 10:51:37 AM  
i.imgur.com

DOES NOT APPROVE !
 
2013-06-19 10:58:21 AM  

CorruptDB: mikefinch: There is a difference between bullying and out and out assault.

That being said if i saw some kid switch allergens into the lunch of a kid they knew had deadly allergies i would drag them by their hair into the office and call the cops.

Drag them by the hair, huh?  Just because you are bigger than them?  I'm sure using violence to stop the bully from bullying will teach them a lesson!


Sometimes, it does.   It helps the bully to comprehend what it might feel like to be the victim once.
 
2013-06-19 11:06:30 AM  

AndreMA: AverageAmericanGuy: And if you're saying that the risk isn't real, then your acceptance of a peanut-free table is hypocritical.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but a peanut free table serves the valid, hipocrisy-free function of making sharing and eating sandwiches less likely. Totally independent of the issue of peanut smell triggering (or not) reactions.


You might as well tell that to the wall. It's just as likely to understand.
 
2013-06-19 11:07:34 AM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 560x405]

DOES NOT APPROVE !


The young'ns don't learn history anymore so your reference is probably lost.  Good one though!
 
2013-06-19 11:09:06 AM  

Count_Crackula: FTFA: But Miles Monroe, 8, of Bethesda, Md., who is allergic to milk, eggs and wheat..

Poor ol' Miles Monroe.  His future looks pretty harsh, too:

[2012.riverrunfilm.com image 300x210]


This. So much this. You people are purposely trying to protect genetic failures. Let them die the way god and nature intended ... in an anaphylactic shock from having peanuts force-fed to them by the school yard bully, Nelson.
 
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