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2013-06-18 08:28:04 PM  
Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:40 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.


He flew F-102s.....
 
2013-06-18 09:34:51 PM  

Ricardo Klement: So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.


It was obviously a bird of prey that can fire when cloaked.
 
2013-06-18 10:21:15 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Ricardo Klement: Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.

He flew F-102s.....


That's what's so brilliant about the plan.  You'd never suspect him.
 
2013-06-19 12:38:24 AM  
I heard it was the same Israeli crew that sank the Liberty.
 
2013-06-19 12:42:49 AM  
no names. no specific information. references to vague "gag orders" that now apparently don't matter now that they are going to be in a movie.

But best of all....They don't give any reasons for the crash.

Fertile ground for the crazies who won't realize this is all about a movie promotion and nothing more.
 
2013-06-19 01:32:04 AM  
BENGHAZ-- Oh, wait, wrong scandal...
 
2013-06-19 01:32:12 AM  
I know why the plane crashed

gravity. it's a biatch
 
2013-06-19 01:34:28 AM  
I honestly don't recall this his historic crash. Oh well.
 
2013-06-19 01:35:24 AM  
I do believe that 2013 will be known as "The Year The People Talking To Me Through My Tin-Foil Hat Were right!"

Really all we need now is the alien bodies from Roswell and the Second CIA shooter from the Grassy Knoll to surface and we will have a clean sweep!
 
2013-06-19 01:38:56 AM  
FTA : the cause of the explosion was due to an explosion in the gas tank caused by a short circuit.

When in doubt, say it was a short.
 
2013-06-19 01:41:23 AM  

Via Infinito: Ricardo Klement: So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.

It was obviously a bird of prey that can fire when cloaked.


Al Qaeda is breaking the treaty of Algeron!?

Those bastards.
 
2013-06-19 01:42:50 AM  
They're not saying it was aliens...
 
2013-06-19 01:42:58 AM  
It was an Infernal Machine.
 
2013-06-19 01:43:30 AM  
Anything to draw attention away from Boeing, a known fuel flaw, and the complicit corporate patriarchy. Who are the Sheeple now?
 
2013-06-19 01:46:10 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.


The flying brick!
 
2013-06-19 01:47:00 AM  

TomD9938: FTA : the cause of the explosion was due to an explosion in the gas tank caused by a short circuit.

When in doubt, say it was a short.


I don't know if you recall the stories flying around then, but there was a whole lot of sweat, effort, and ink devoted to explaining how this particular permutation of electron excitement could occur

/and once or twice, there was mention of eyewitness reports of something flashing upward towards the plane...
 
2013-06-19 01:49:18 AM  
When the tanks are full of fuel and with very little air, how does it explode? If you take a gallon of jet fuel in a gallon tank, toss in a lit cigarette and close the cap, would you expect it to explode? I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I just do not understand where the oxidizer is coming from here - initially I mean, before the breakup.
 
2013-06-19 01:49:24 AM  

zerkalo: Anything to draw attention away from Boeing, a known fuel flaw, and the complicit corporate patriarchy. Who are the Sheeple now?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 01:49:27 AM  
Thought this was the one caused by faulty oxygen storage units / batteries ?Ahh, no that was the recent airbus scandal.

A major reason for the flammability of the fuel/air vapor in the CWT of the 747 was the large amount of heat generated and transferred to the CWT by air conditioning packs located directly below the tank; with the CWT temperature raised to a sufficient level, a single ignition source could cause an explosion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
 
2013-06-19 01:52:48 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: When the tanks are full of fuel and with very little air, how does it explode? If you take a gallon of jet fuel in a gallon tank, toss in a lit cigarette and close the cap, would you expect it to explode? I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I just do not understand where the oxidizer is coming from here - initially I mean, before the breakup.


IIRC, the midship tank where the short occurred was empty, according to the official explanation

/but there were still "fumes" present
 
2013-06-19 01:53:25 AM  

enry: They're not saying it was aliens...


But they didn't say it wasn't aliens...illegal aliens...think about it...from Kenya...
 
2013-06-19 01:54:48 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-19 01:55:03 AM  
What happened? Murdoch blocked.
 
2013-06-19 01:55:58 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: When the tanks are full of fuel and with very little air, how does it explode? If you take a gallon of jet fuel in a gallon tank, toss in a lit cigarette and close the cap, would you expect it to explode? I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I just do not understand where the oxidizer is coming from here - initially I mean, before the breakup.


If there's a leak, air would get in.
 
2013-06-19 01:56:49 AM  

CygnusDarius: BENGHAZ-- Oh, wait, wrong scandal...


Don't worry.

Issa will find some way to blame Obama.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: IIRC, the midship tank where the short occurred was empty, according to the official explanation


Got it. Fuel/air mixture, spark present, understand their explanation now. Cool, thanks. I just assumed they would have a full fuel load for that flight, but not necessarily the case given that plane's world-wide range.
 
2013-06-19 01:57:43 AM  
Director should look up the difference between ordinance and ordnance.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:58 AM  
This is Obama's Corrupt Bargain of 1876. This means Samuel Tilden is president and Doc is alive and well in 1985.
 
2013-06-19 01:59:54 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: He flew F-102s.....


But his cod piece was all S-3 Viking.
 
2013-06-19 02:01:44 AM  
Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-06-19 02:04:02 AM  
I recall the main conspiracy theory was that an Ageis ship was parked off the coast and was using planes leaving JFK or what ever airport it was, and targeting them with radar, as a training thing. Something went wrong and a missile launched on the plane. They say something similar happened when the Iranian jet liner was shot down a few years before that by an Ageis system.The missile boat crews are not huge, so it could be a few navy folks to make disappear as damage control. Since Clinton was in office at the time, who knows what he would have done to silence them.
 
2013-06-19 02:04:17 AM  
Oh bullshiat. I attended  a conference on crash data recorders in the mid aughts held atthe NTSB in Ashburn, Virginia. As a surprise at the end of the conference they invited a lecture hall filled with forensic engineers and other forensic scientists into the hanger for a full access tour of the TWA800 wreckage with a full detailed explanation of how it occurred, showing all the explosion damage from the central fuel tank into the luggage compartment, showing the fuel sensor rod that caused it, everything. This was before the public was allowed access to view it and we were allowed to walk around it, under it, and down the aisles inside the plane. They had virtually every part of the plane picked off the ocean floor and reassembled except the wings wouldn't have fit in the hanger. You could tell how the wings had ripped off upward, how the front section of the aircraft tore, and how the rows of seats on the upper deck blew out the right side of the fuselage when the section hit the water.

I don't think a conspiracy that crazy would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.
 
2013-06-19 02:07:13 AM  
What's Alex Jones's take on this?
 
2013-06-19 02:09:10 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.


The stinger's effective range is rated at about 4,500 meters.  That's not it's absolute range.  It can go further, though accuracy is greatly reduced.  It's been used at 5,000 meters, possibly more.
 
2013-06-19 02:09:50 AM  
On a side note...the term "whistleblower" has ceased to have any meaning whatsoever.
 
2013-06-19 02:09:56 AM  

digistil: What's Alex Jones's take on this?


Lizard people.
 
2013-06-19 02:12:20 AM  

sat1va: digistil: What's Alex Jones's take on this?

Lizard people.


Wait... Is the flight 800 incident related to the recent Bilderberg meeting?
 
2013-06-19 02:13:32 AM  

sat1va: Oh bullshiat. I attended  a conference on crash data recorders in the mid aughts held atthe NTSB in Ashburn, Virginia. As a surprise at the end of the conference they invited a lecture hall filled with forensic engineers and other forensic scientists into the hanger for a full access tour of the TWA800 wreckage with a full detailed explanation of how it occurred, showing all the explosion damage from the central fuel tank into the luggage compartment, showing the fuel sensor rod that caused it, everything. This was before the public was allowed access to view it and we were allowed to walk around it, under it, and down the aisles inside the plane. They had virtually every part of the plane picked off the ocean floor and reassembled except the wings wouldn't have fit in the hanger. You could tell how the wings had ripped off upward, how the front section of the aircraft tore, and how the rows of seats on the upper deck blew out the right side of the fuselage when the section hit the water.

I don't think a conspiracy that crazy would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.


ummm...
However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.
 
2013-06-19 02:16:33 AM  
the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team

Hmmm, doesn't sound like the usual wing nuts yelling conspiracy.  I remember when this happened and there were witnesses claiming they saw, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something fiery going distinctly up towards the aircraft.

/Not a conspiracy nut
 
2013-06-19 02:16:37 AM  

mr lawson: However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.


what are their names and what role did the have in the investigation?
 
2013-06-19 02:17:31 AM  

Fista-Phobia: Ricardo Klement: Plane vertical range: 4900 meters
Stinger total range: 4800 meters

Even if directly above the launcher, it ain't gettin' there.

If it was an SM-3, you'd have to kill or shut up hundreds of sailors.

So it had to have been George W. Bush in an F-4.

The flying brick!


You laugh, but one day we will be fighting an enemy in a glass house...
 
2013-06-19 02:18:58 AM  

mr lawson: sat1va: Oh bullshiat. I attended  a conference on crash data recorders in the mid aughts held atthe NTSB in Ashburn, Virginia. As a surprise at the end of the conference they invited a lecture hall filled with forensic engineers and other forensic scientists into the hanger for a full access tour of the TWA800 wreckage with a full detailed explanation of how it occurred, showing all the explosion damage from the central fuel tank into the luggage compartment, showing the fuel sensor rod that caused it, everything. This was before the public was allowed access to view it and we were allowed to walk around it, under it, and down the aisles inside the plane. They had virtually every part of the plane picked off the ocean floor and reassembled except the wings wouldn't have fit in the hanger. You could tell how the wings had ripped off upward, how the front section of the aircraft tore, and how the rows of seats on the upper deck blew out the right side of the fuselage when the section hit the water.

I don't think a conspiracy that crazy would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.

ummm...
However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.


I'm not stating an opinion either way as I don't have access to data that would be necessary to provide a properly informed theory.  However ....

If you want to shut down discussion, what better way than to set up a reconstruction the way you wish that provides the clues you want seen and marching 120 forensics experts through it?

Personally, I'm going to have to go with six of the original investigating team members with all the time in the world to study evidence trumps 120 given really what amounts to a "glance".  I don't care if that 120 crowd was given a few hours.  That's still just a glance when investigating something this complex.
 
2013-06-19 02:19:19 AM  

mr lawson: sat1va: Oh bullshiat. I attended  a conference on crash data recorders in the mid aughts held atthe NTSB in Ashburn, Virginia. As a surprise at the end of the conference they invited a lecture hall filled with forensic engineers and other forensic scientists into the hanger for a full access tour of the TWA800 wreckage with a full detailed explanation of how it occurred, showing all the explosion damage from the central fuel tank into the luggage compartment, showing the fuel sensor rod that caused it, everything. This was before the public was allowed access to view it and we were allowed to walk around it, under it, and down the aisles inside the plane. They had virtually every part of the plane picked off the ocean floor and reassembled except the wings wouldn't have fit in the hanger. You could tell how the wings had ripped off upward, how the front section of the aircraft tore, and how the rows of seats on the upper deck blew out the right side of the fuselage when the section hit the water.

I don't think a conspiracy that crazy would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.

ummm...
However, the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team, stopped short of saying the plane was shot down.


Define "part".
 
2013-06-19 02:19:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WhoopAssWayne: When the tanks are full of fuel and with very little air, how does it explode? If you take a gallon of jet fuel in a gallon tank, toss in a lit cigarette and close the cap, would you expect it to explode? I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I just do not understand where the oxidizer is coming from here - initially I mean, before the breakup.

IIRC, the midship tank where the short occurred was empty, according to the official explanation

/but there were still "fumes" present


Kerozene burn, kerozene fumes and vaporized kerozene explode. Be a bit careful on how you store heating fuel tank. For this particular case... dun't know nothing, but will need popcorn... and cancel that trip to Roswell until my next anal bleaching, dun't want to look bad to them alienz...
 
2013-06-19 02:20:06 AM  

log_jammin: what are their names and what role did the have in the investigation?


see...Those are the important questions. Were they the forensic team or the "go get coffee" team members.
But since they were there first, it makes sense to....wait for it.........
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. Study it out. :-)
 
2013-06-19 02:20:23 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WhoopAssWayne: When the tanks are full of fuel and with very little air, how does it explode? If you take a gallon of jet fuel in a gallon tank, toss in a lit cigarette and close the cap, would you expect it to explode? I'm not a conspiracy guy in any way, I just do not understand where the oxidizer is coming from here - initially I mean, before the breakup.

IIRC, the midship tank where the short occurred was empty, according to the official explanation

/but there were still "fumes" present


Why would a fuel tank be empty on a trans-Atlantic flight? Not to sound like a wacko but that seems weird. What is the range on the 747 with that tank empty?
 
2013-06-19 02:21:30 AM  

KidneyStone: the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team

Hmmm, doesn't sound like the usual wing nuts yelling conspiracy.  I remember when this happened and there were witnesses claiming they saw, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something fiery going distinctly up towards the aircraft.

/Not a conspiracy nut


Wasn't one of those witnesses an army or marine sergeant, who the government claimed was insane?  It's been too long for me to remember what was written at the time.
 
2013-06-19 02:22:11 AM  

KidneyStone: the six whistleblowers, all part of the original investigation team

Hmmm, doesn't sound like the usual wing nuts yelling conspiracy.  I remember when this happened and there were witnesses claiming they saw, beyond a shadow of a doubt, something fiery going distinctly up towards the aircraft.

/Not a conspiracy nut


Witnesses to an event of that scale can exaggerate or be mistaken.
 
2013-06-19 02:22:23 AM  

sat1va: Oh bullshiat. I attended  a conference on crash data recorders in the mid aughts held atthe NTSB in Ashburn, Virginia. As a surprise at the end of the conference they invited a lecture hall filled with forensic engineers and other forensic scientists into the hanger for a full access tour of the TWA800 wreckage with a full detailed explanation of how it occurred, showing all the explosion damage from the central fuel tank into the luggage compartment, showing the fuel sensor rod that caused it, everything. This was before the public was allowed access to view it and we were allowed to walk around it, under it, and down the aisles inside the plane. They had virtually every part of the plane picked off the ocean floor and reassembled except the wings wouldn't have fit in the hanger. You could tell how the wings had ripped off upward, how the front section of the aircraft tore, and how the rows of seats on the upper deck blew out the right side of the fuselage when the section hit the water.

I don't think a conspiracy that crazy would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.


I don't think a conspiracy that crazy effective would allow a good 120 forensic experts from all sorts of backgrounds that kind of access with that detail of story. They even talked about the conspiracy theories, the missiles that witnesses saw, etc.

/FTFY
 
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