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2013-06-18 06:42:07 PM
Or as they call it, "Tuesday."
 
2013-06-18 06:43:24 PM
Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time
 
2013-06-18 07:48:35 PM
"Crazy Ivan says EVERYTHING MUST GO. No reasonable offer refused."
 
2013-06-18 08:17:03 PM
"Large explosions rock an ammunition depot in Russia's Samara Region, where over 13 million shells are stored."

WERE stored.
 
2013-06-18 08:17:41 PM

2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time


More like an excuse for creative paperwork.  Smuggle out the newest 100k rounds, blow up the obsolete stuff, and claim that the entire depot was destroyed.

/in Russia, depot stores ammunition in you!
 
2013-06-18 08:18:46 PM

2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time


Conspiracy or not, the timing is a bit odd.

/first thing I thought as well.
//*straightens tin foil stetson*
///slashie slashie
 
2013-06-18 08:19:05 PM

FrancoFile: 2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time

More like an excuse for creative paperwork.  Smuggle out the newest 100k rounds, blow up the obsolete stuff, and claim that the entire depot was destroyed.

/in Russia, depot stores ammunition in you!


Nicholas Cage?
 
2013-06-18 08:20:05 PM
imados.fr

Wanted for questioning.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:12 PM
trollerific comment section...

/who's got some tangled christmas lights?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 08:21:16 PM
so is RT the only place reporting this?

CNN has a bing commercial on.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:19 PM
img.fark.net

"Nothing to see here, move along. Please disperse."
 
2013-06-18 08:21:57 PM
Great now ammo is gonna go up even more
 
2013-06-18 08:22:45 PM
Free syrians?
 
2013-06-18 08:23:02 PM
One hell of a fireworks show though.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:10 PM
...holy fark. That looks nasty.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:33 PM
This is God's punishment to Russia for it's treatment of gays and restrictions on their human rights.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:43 PM
Will America counter this by accidentally blowing up some of our ammo destined for Syria?
 
2013-06-18 08:25:56 PM
Goddammit so much... there go ammo prices again.
 
2013-06-18 08:26:16 PM

2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time


I hope it wasnt, I dont want WWIII with Russia and China over some shiat hole over in the sand box.
 
2013-06-18 08:26:47 PM
And the average Russian is saying, "Ooh, free fireworks!"

/after seeing the various dashcam videos, I hope we never have to trifle with them
 
2013-06-18 08:27:40 PM
I like the fact that they continued playing soccer on the field like it's no big deal. The guys filming seemed to be in good spirits too.
 
2013-06-18 08:28:00 PM
Is that area still Russian?
/Or under Russian control?
 
2013-06-18 08:29:06 PM
(Watches video)

Hrmm, drunk Russians, but I repeat myself.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:16 PM

MrHappyRotter: This is God's punishment to Russia for it's treatment of gays and restrictions on their human rights.


LOL you believe in sky wizards.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:17 PM
Hey Boris.

Watch this.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:24 PM
At least they aren't suffering from crushing government regulation like ammo depots here are.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:53 PM

Korzine: I like the fact that they continued playing soccer on the field like it's no big deal. The guys filming seemed to be in good spirits too.


Yea, that was sorta weird laughing at a mushroom cloud.
/Hmmm, that would have been a good cold war band name.
 
2013-06-18 08:31:38 PM
Can't wait for the 6358 dashcam vids of the boom.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:01 PM

Nick Nostril: Goddammit so much... there go ammo prices again.


You shopping for the 23mm, 30mm or the big 122mm shells?

/Go  big or go home
 
2013-06-18 08:32:25 PM

Korzine: I like the fact that they continued playing soccer on the field like it's no big deal. The guys filming seemed to be in good spirits too.


They're Russian. No matter what happens, they've seen worse.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:35 PM
party at ground zero?
images.uulyrics.com
 
2013-06-18 08:33:08 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Is that area still Russian?
/Or under Russian control?


Very much Russian.  Historically, culturally, linguistically.
 
2013-06-18 08:33:50 PM

TommyDeuce: Nick Nostril: Goddammit so much... there go ammo prices again.

You shopping for the 23mm, 30mm or the big 122mm shells?

/Go  big or go home


How about a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?
 
2013-06-18 08:33:51 PM
img.fark.net

Yaaa Hoooooooooooooo
 
2013-06-18 08:34:00 PM
Не хорошо
 
2013-06-18 08:34:09 PM

2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-06-18 08:34:12 PM
Robert Kraft wants his goddamn mutherfarking Superbowl ring back you kotlety eating mutherfarkers.
 
2013-06-18 08:34:43 PM
Linky with video from another angle... big secondaries.
 
2013-06-18 08:35:14 PM
Second video seems to be about 2 miles from the blasts.
 
2013-06-18 08:35:24 PM

Oldiron_79: TommyDeuce: Nick Nostril: Goddammit so much... there go ammo prices again.

You shopping for the 23mm, 30mm or the big 122mm shells?

/Go  big or go home

How about a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?


Holding out for the new BFG 9001.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:29 PM
Was this Russian? Map shows it being in between the Free Republic of Tataristan and Kazacistan? So were Russians really in there sure it's probably an old cold war ammo dump but?
 
2013-06-18 08:36:52 PM
Not an "accident".
 
2013-06-18 08:37:09 PM

Nick Nostril: Linky with video from another angle... big secondaries.


Or I could just scroll further down the article.

/not even drinking tonight.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:05 PM
Moose and squirrel held for questioning.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:44 PM

Oldiron_79: TommyDeuce: Nick Nostril: Goddammit so much... there go ammo prices again.

You shopping for the 23mm, 30mm or the big 122mm shells?

/Go  big or go home

How about a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?


Just what ya see, pal.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:44 PM

FrancoFile: tinfoil-hat maggie: Is that area still Russian?
/Or under Russian control?

Very much Russian.  Historically, culturally, linguistically.


Oh okay, I just know after the Soviet collapse they lost a lot on the southern border but I haven't been keeping up.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:51 PM
False Flag!!! This is just Putin trying to justify phone tapping.
 
2013-06-18 08:39:13 PM

Victorinox: Robert Kraft wants his goddamn mutherfarking Superbowl ring back you kotlety eating mutherfarkers.


If you hadn't said it I was going to. +1.
 
2013-06-18 08:39:45 PM
They could have waited a couple of weeks or so for the 4th of July  ;-)
 
2013-06-18 08:40:05 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-18 08:41:26 PM
The Russian ammo is the only kind you see to be in regular supply in stores these days.   I suppose that will dry up now too.

I blame Obama.
 
2013-06-18 08:41:43 PM
Wrong place to light a cigar.
 
2013-06-18 08:42:38 PM
Oh and just remember how Red Storm Rising started ; )
 
2013-06-18 08:44:34 PM
Repeat from 2012 and 1984.  (Orenbourg and Severomorsk)
 
2013-06-18 08:44:45 PM
The Russian language always sounds like someone speaking some other language backwards to me.
 
2013-06-18 08:45:57 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: The Russian language always sounds like someone speaking some other language backwards to me.


make it shrill and never-ending?  That's my mother-in-law.  It's...charming.
 
2013-06-18 08:46:56 PM

TommyDeuce: Second video seems to be about 2 miles from the blasts.


I was thinking the 13 minute video was about 7 seconds away.  So 7 miles?
 
2013-06-18 08:54:36 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 08:54:39 PM
Dear Bashar al-Assad,

Shipment of your recent order of thirteen million shell units has been delayed due to unforeseen problems at the warehouse.

Sincerely yours, Vladimir Putin
 
2013-06-18 08:55:14 PM
img.fark.net
And this is what I love in a Russian shells.
 
2013-06-18 08:59:22 PM

Skywolf the Scribbler: Wrong place to light a cigar.


Putin has just banned smoking in public places. Where would you light up one if you were guarding an ammo depot, huhh?
 
2013-06-18 08:59:36 PM
Oh man, nobody has ammo accidents like the Russians.

Good call on the Syria link.

Lessee here:  "Couple million AK rounds from 1973 destroyed, Couple hundred thousand landmines from WWII, whole bunkers full of rusted-through 500 lb bombs we were too afraid to touch, and also fifty brand-new SA-300 air defense batteries including spare parts to last a decade, and two thousand brand new RPG-29 rounds which exploded so forcefully there was nothing left behind at all."
 
2013-06-18 09:02:10 PM
That's some strong government regulation you got there, Lou Comrade.
 
2013-06-18 09:03:59 PM
I'm just glad that all of Russia's nuclear arsenal is secured.
 
2013-06-18 09:04:40 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Will America counter this by accidentally blowing up some of our ammo destined for Syria?


America cannot fall behind in the Self-destruction Gap!
 
JVD
2013-06-18 09:07:15 PM
Please don't be small arms ammo!
 
2013-06-18 09:10:49 PM

traylor: And this is what I love in a Russian shells.


Heh heh heh
 
2013-06-18 09:12:13 PM

traylor: Skywolf the Scribbler: Wrong place to light a cigar.

Putin has just banned smoking in public places. Where would you light up one if you were guarding an ammo depot, huhh?


The Ukraine.
 
2013-06-18 09:13:39 PM

bedtundy: 2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time

Conspiracy or not, the timing is a bit odd.

/first thing I thought as well.
//*straightens tin foil stetson*
///slashie slashie


The first thing I thought of was which conspiracy would be first thrown out, I thought it would be some Russian politician saying this was an American plot.
 
2013-06-18 09:13:45 PM
I'll bet none of the gun nuts have mentioned how much ammo costs in this thread.

That would just be stupid of them and there are no stupid people on Fark.
 
2013-06-18 09:15:40 PM
If "Destroyed in Seconds" taught me anything, it's that when a chemical or armament factory catches on fire in a place with less strict safety standards than the US (and sometimes even in the US!) you should run like hell and never look back, and if your house is in the same town, let it go because it's gone.
 
2013-06-18 09:18:50 PM
If I were I firefighter...I would be sick today. Ammo plant & fire no way!
 
2013-06-18 09:21:24 PM

libranoelrose: I'll bet none of the gun nuts have mentioned how much ammo costs in this thread.

That would just be stupid of them and there are no stupid people on Fark.


Actually, if the handful of websites I've seen are meaningful, the price of the stuff that I buy has gone down to the point where it was at the start of the Great Panic, the exception being 22LR which costs about twice what it should and is still like hen's teeth.
 
2013-06-18 09:22:19 PM

bedtundy: Conspiracy or not, the timing is a bit odd.


Because generally accidents never happen during inopportune times?
 
2013-06-18 09:23:09 PM
That's almost as catastrophic as VIRGIN's "15 Twerking Gifs That Didn't Quite Twerk It (Featured Partner)"

Really, Drew, congratulations - comment-free sponsored douchepartners?

An all-time low.
 
2013-06-18 09:23:29 PM

bedtundy: 2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time

Conspiracy or not, the timing is a bit odd.

/first thing I thought as well.
//*straightens tin foil stetson*
///slashie slashie


Probably no conspiracy.  The Russias are hardly known for their quality control in anything, except maybe their gulags.  I would not be surprised if some drunk employee started a fire to stay warm or cook some food.
 
2013-06-18 09:26:41 PM
Love RT and comments there.

Better source:
"Five artillery projectiles exploded at a range near Chapayevsk, the Samara region, at about 7:30 p.m. Moscow time."
http://rbth.ru/news/2013/06/18/four_hospitalized_amid_explosions_at_ mi litary_range_in_samara_region_27218.html

MOSCOW, June 18 (Itar-Tass) - More than 30 people have asked for medical help after a series of military test ground explosions in the Samara region, a spokesman for the Zaschita center of emergency medicine told Itar-Tass.
http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c32/776126.html

But RT is the most fun.
/CIA Mossad
 
2013-06-18 09:29:46 PM
The only thing that can stop a bad ammo storage facility from killing people is a good ammo storage facility!
 
2013-06-18 09:33:57 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh and just remember how Red Storm Rising started ; )


I was coming here to say something just like that, and saw this...plus I have you favorited as "Clancy/RSR Fan."  Go figure!
 
2013-06-18 09:35:08 PM
Didn't this happen last year too?
 
2013-06-18 09:39:34 PM
"I'll say one thing for Ivan. When he has an industrial accident, he doesn't screw around."
 
2013-06-18 09:50:44 PM

MadManMoon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh and just remember how Red Storm Rising started ; )

I was coming here to say something just like that, and saw this...plus I have you favorited as "Clancy/RSR Fan."  Go figure!


What can I say I'm a crazy girl that grew up in the cold war with a militaristic older brother that made me play war games and I hated losing so I learned how to win at those and well ; )
 
2013-06-18 09:51:10 PM
See what happens when you flirt with democracy? Government oversight goes down, next thing you know all your ammo dumps are blowing up! WAKE UP Texans errrr. KOMRADES!!!!
 
2013-06-18 09:52:16 PM
Fark is great training for comments sections.  Your mind becomes prepared.   You know the trolls will be out in force; you know folks will try to draw politics into every discussion; and you know that the ignorance of some people is downright frightening. You understand that the unholy mix of anonymity and a soapbox inevitably spawns faceless assclowns representing the nadir of humanity.  THAT SAID, nothing prepared me for the comments section of that link.  I'm going to go home now and add another concrete layer to my survival bunker before taking a long, hot rape shower.
 
2013-06-18 10:00:12 PM
Critical Hit
Internal Ammo Explosion Detected-
Shutdown Sequence Initiated.
 
2013-06-18 10:00:17 PM

ski9600: TommyDeuce: Second video seems to be about 2 miles from the blasts.

I was thinking the 13 minute video was about 7 seconds away.  So 7 miles?


Speed of sound is about 1100 ft/sec, so a mile every 5 seconds. 7 seconds = 1.4 mi
 
2013-06-18 10:04:52 PM
I just knew that secret flag had to be around somewhere. That was worth a bonus Solvalou
 
2013-06-18 10:09:53 PM
Dude, it's a thousand miles east of Moscow in the exact middle of nowhere. Who cares?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 10:14:02 PM
13 million shells going off, it's going to be tough sleeping.
 
2013-06-18 10:18:43 PM

Deep Contact: 13 million shells going off, it's going to be tough sleeping.


Tickets to see the explosion are running at $300+ right now, I might buy one.
 
2013-06-18 10:19:11 PM
Glad it was just arty and AA rounds. Keep that 7.62 and 5.45 coming!
 
2013-06-18 10:23:25 PM

tallen702: Glad it was just arty and AA rounds. Keep that 7.62 and 5.45 coming!


Right?
 
2013-06-18 10:27:19 PM
Just so long as they can still dig up some crates of 7.62x54r out of some field and ship it over here every once in a while so I can feed the mosin. . .
 
2013-06-18 10:29:21 PM
This is Putin's Chapaevsk!
 
2013-06-18 10:34:19 PM
Well, what a coincidence!  I just blew my load as well.  But I didn't see anybody rushin' away nor did it make front page news.  Guess I'll have to try again soon.
 
2013-06-18 10:39:51 PM
That sounded more like...

(puts on glasses)

... a Kalashni-SNEEZE!


//Yeaahhh!
 
2013-06-18 10:41:32 PM

Yeoman: "Large explosions rock an ammunition depot in Russia's Samara Region, where over 13 million shells are stored."

WERE stored.


Yeah.  The world's biggest fireworks show, albeit unattractive ones.

Jument: If "Destroyed in Seconds" taught me anything, it's that when a chemical or armament factory catches on fire in a place with less strict safety standards than the US (and sometimes even in the US!) you should run like hell and never look back, and if your house is in the same town, let it go because it's gone.


Yeah, with something like this there's no such thing as meaningful firefighting.  Put lots of distance between you and the boom.
 
2013-06-18 10:54:40 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: ski9600: TommyDeuce: Second video seems to be about 2 miles from the blasts.

I was thinking the 13 minute video was about 7 seconds away.  So 7 miles?

Speed of sound is about 1100 ft/sec, so a mile every 5 seconds. 7 seconds = 1.4 mi


The one I checked on looked more like 9 seconds and change - trying to time from the start of the flash.
 
2013-06-18 10:55:26 PM

Loren: Yeoman: "Large explosions rock an ammunition depot in Russia's Samara Region, where over 13 million shells are stored."

WERE stored.

Yeah.  The world's biggest fireworks show, albeit unattractive ones.

Jument: If "Destroyed in Seconds" taught me anything, it's that when a chemical or armament factory catches on fire in a place with less strict safety standards than the US (and sometimes even in the US!) you should run like hell and never look back, and if your house is in the same town, let it go because it's gone.

Yeah, with something like this there's no such thing as meaningful firefighting.  Put lots of distance between you and the boom.


So, you've been to Enschede eh?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 11:03:27 PM

Shadow Blasko: Loren: Yeoman: "Large explosions rock an ammunition depot in Russia's Samara Region, where over 13 million shells are stored."

WERE stored.

Yeah.  The world's biggest fireworks show, albeit unattractive ones.

Jument: If "Destroyed in Seconds" taught me anything, it's that when a chemical or armament factory catches on fire in a place with less strict safety standards than the US (and sometimes even in the US!) you should run like hell and never look back, and if your house is in the same town, let it go because it's gone.

Yeah, with something like this there's no such thing as meaningful firefighting.  Put lots of distance between you and the boom.

So, you've been to Enschede eh?

[img.fark.net image 480x360]


Well, if there were chemical weapons in that dump well, yea run like hell.
/Yes I know explosives are chemicals for you jack holes
 
2013-06-18 11:10:05 PM
From an updated link on Rianovasti: More than 1,400 personnel and over 220 units of machinery and equipment, including eight aircraft and two firefighting trains, have been deployed to contain the fire and explosions, the ministry said. There are plans to use four helicopters.

I wonder if they're using their cool new remote controlled firefighting train

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 11:11:10 PM

Stone Meadow: Dude, it's a thousand miles east of Moscow in the exact middle of nowhere. Who cares?

[img.fark.net image 600x600]


Sounds exactly like Des Moines.

/except 1000 mi west of DC
 
2013-06-18 11:11:12 PM
Can't wait for the 200 dashcam vids to pop up of it
 
2013-06-18 11:13:40 PM
Meh.
 
2013-06-18 11:13:45 PM
Perfect cover for a lot of these weapons to end up in certain wrong hands in the middle east. ;)
 
2013-06-18 11:21:24 PM

Oldiron_79: MrHappyRotter: This is God's punishment to Russia for it's treatment of gays and restrictions on their human rights.

LOL you believe in sky wizards.


To be fair it sounds like it is only 1 sky wizard he belives in.
Even the best of us have had faith in merlin from time to time.
 
2013-06-18 11:21:28 PM

ski9600: TommyDeuce: Second video seems to be about 2 miles from the blasts.

I was thinking the 13 minute video was about 7 seconds away.  So 7 miles?


Flash to bang is ~5 seconds per mile (nominal 1100 fps, 5,280 feet per mile).
 
2013-06-18 11:25:18 PM

2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time


Southeast Russia on a river?
That's a tributary to the Volga and has a canal over to the Don and the Black Sea?

Nah.
 
2013-06-18 11:34:39 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: 2xhelix: Hmm, I wonder if by any chance the ammo was destined for Syria.
/tinfoil hat time

Southeast Russia on a river?
That's a tributary to the Volga and has a canal over to the Don and the Black Sea?

Nah.


That would be crazy talk ; )
 
2013-06-18 11:41:57 PM
"122-millimeter shells with an effective bursting radius of 1 kilometer "

Bullshiat.
30-50 meter s _maybe_
reporter needs to pull their head out of their ass and do simple background research.
 
2013-06-19 12:24:17 AM
The louder bangs are not sound, they are shockwaves.

They move faster than sound.
 
2013-06-19 01:12:33 AM
I have to say that 9:16 is my favourite video format. I've even mounted my TV sideways on the wall to take full advantage of it. All that's left to do in my home theatre now is to mount my front left and right speakers over and under the TV, both rear surrounds on the left side of the screen, and my sub in the middle of the ceiling.
 
2013-06-19 01:28:12 AM
My dad just recently told me about when he was in Nam and the ammo dump near the base got hit. Thousands and thousands of artillery shells and millions of rounds of ammunition went off. He said the explosion was ridiculous and the fire was still cooking off rounds over a day later.
 
2013-06-19 04:34:57 AM
Luckily most of my ammo comes from Tula or izhevzk.

And I think I have enough 7.62x39 for now.

Hopefully my 7.62x54r supply is uninterrupted.
 
2013-06-19 04:42:21 AM

Dadoody: Luckily most of my ammo comes from Tula or izhevzk.

And I think I have enough 7.62x39 for now.

Hopefully my 7.62x54r supply is uninterrupted.


What? They're manufacturing Nagant ammo now?
Have you run into cartridges that don't have Berdan primers?
 
2013-06-19 05:00:11 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dadoody: Luckily most of my ammo comes from Tula or izhevzk.

And I think I have enough 7.62x39 for now.

Hopefully my 7.62x54r supply is uninterrupted.

What? They're manufacturing Nagant ammo now?
Have you run into cartridges that don't have Berdan primers?


They still Nagant ammo for their machine guns and sniper rifles.
 
2013-06-19 05:15:45 AM
You boys puzzle me sometimes.
 
2013-06-19 06:10:59 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: You boys puzzle me sometimes.


Moisin-Nagant was the main Russian battle rifle from before WWI until the AK was adopted after WWII.
It is still in use. Heavy, bolt-action rifle. Kicks like a mule. Lighten the rifle and it kicks even harder.
Blasts a good meter worth of flame out the muzzle.

The standard Russian 7.62x54R cartridges use Berdan primers, which have two main disadvantages:
1) They're corrosive, so you have to clean the rifles obsessively.
2) You can't reload the brass because the primer weakens the cartridge by changing its chemistry.

The rifles are cheap as dirt (under $200), accurate enough, and aren't terrible game rifles.

/Give me a .30-30 or .30-06 any day.
//And the Russians still use the Nagant's 7.62x54R cartridge for sniper rifles and machine guns.
 
2013-06-19 06:21:58 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: You boys puzzle me sometimes.

Moisin-Nagant was the main Russian battle rifle from before WWI until the AK was adopted after WWII.
It is still in use. Heavy, bolt-action rifle. Kicks like a mule. Lighten the rifle and it kicks even harder.
Blasts a good meter worth of flame out the muzzle.

The standard Russian 7.62x54R cartridges use Berdan primers, which have two main disadvantages:
1) They're corrosive, so you have to clean the rifles obsessively.
2) You can't reload the brass because the primer weakens the cartridge by changing its chemistry.

The rifles are cheap as dirt (under $200), accurate enough, and aren't terrible game rifles.

/Give me a .30-30 or .30-06 any day.
//And the Russians still use the Nagant's 7.62x54R cartridge for sniper rifles and machine guns.


Oh, okay, cool I learned something today ; )
 
2013-06-19 06:57:35 AM

BravadoGT: The Russian ammo is the only kind you see to be in regular supply in stores these days.   I suppose that will dry up now too.

I blame explObama.

 
2013-06-19 06:59:33 AM
This is why the Russians will never be defeated
Russian #1: Holy shiat, look at that explosion!
Russian #2: A lot of people must have been killed in that.
Russian #3 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That's funny, let us go back to kicking our futbol and later drink much vodak
Russians # 1 & 2: HA HA yes! W e should do that!
 
2013-06-19 08:29:37 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Will America counter this by accidentally blowing up some of our ammo destined for Syria?


No,..by blowing up ammo destined for Walmart..
 
2013-06-19 08:39:40 AM
With all that ammo going off, how were thousands of people not shot and killed by bullets flying for miles everywhere?
This is why ammo should be stored underground, so that a bullet doesn't fire and travel 3 miles down the road and hit some kid.
 
2013-06-19 09:55:01 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: You boys puzzle me sometimes.

Moisin-Nagant was the main Russian battle rifle from before WWI until the AK was adopted after WWII.
It is still in use. Heavy, bolt-action rifle. Kicks like a mule. Lighten the rifle and it kicks even harder.
Blasts a good meter worth of flame out the muzzle.

The standard Russian 7.62x54R cartridges use Berdan primers, which have two main disadvantages:
1) They're corrosive, so you have to clean the rifles obsessively.
2) You can't reload the brass because the primer weakens the cartridge by changing its chemistry.

The rifles are cheap as dirt (under $200), accurate enough, and aren't terrible game rifles.

/Give me a .30-30 or .30-06 any day.
//And the Russians still use the Nagant's 7.62x54R cartridge for sniper rifles and machine guns.


Just because a round is Berdan primed doesn't make it corrosive,just as a Boxer primer doesn't mean its non-corrosive. It is the priming compound that determines whether it is corrosive or not. All that Berdan means is that the anvil is part of the cartridge case. Most new Russian ammo (Wolf, Bear,Tulammo, etc) uses a Berdan primer and is noncorrosive.
Also Berdan cases, both corrosive and non, can be reloaded, its just a more difficult. Also you have to wash the cases that had corrosive primers to remove the residue. They don't change the metal composition, just cause rust on form on steel.
 
2013-06-19 10:15:57 AM

MythDragon: With all that ammo going off, how were thousands of people not shot and killed by bullets flying for miles everywhere?
This is why ammo should be stored underground, so that a bullet doesn't fire and travel 3 miles down the road and hit some kid.


Normally when a round goes off in a fire there is nothing to contain it so the bullet doesn't go anywhere. This occured where they stored artillery ammo so as long as you were outside the bursting radius of the shell (50 meters or so as stated above) you'd be fine.
And no, storing lots of ammo underground is not a good idea. You just contained the explosion which is going to send dirt, rocks, concrete, and everything else flying a long way.
Most ammo that is stored in dirt covered "igloos" is not to hold an explosion in but to vent it in a safe direction and protect it from an explosion in a neighboring igloo.
 
2013-06-19 10:18:31 AM
Well it shows one thing - that WOLF ammunition at one time or other will actually fire.
 
2013-06-19 10:38:22 AM
Боом Гоес те Дйнамите
 
2013-06-19 12:57:02 PM

Crewmannumber6: This is why the Russians will never be defeated
Russian #1: Holy shiat, look at that explosion!
Russian #2: A lot of people must have been killed in that.
Russian #3 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That's funny, let us go back to kicking our futbol and later drink much vodak
Russians # 1 & 2: HA HA yes! W e should do that!


Cheborneck!
Ya!
Come here!
What?
What dat?
I dunno.      NSFW
 
2013-06-19 01:24:53 PM
Just adding to the ammo shortage here. Therefore I have to blame Bush.
 
2013-06-19 02:06:00 PM

cleofus: Just because a round is Berdan primed doesn't make it corrosive,just as a Boxer primer doesn't mean its non-corrosive. It is the priming compound that determines whether it is corrosive or not. All that Berdan means is that the anvil is part of the cartridge case. Most new Russian ammo (Wolf, Bear,Tulammo, etc) uses a Berdan primer and is noncorrosive.
Also Berdan cases, both corrosive and non, can be reloaded, its just a more difficult. Also you have to wash the cases that had corrosive primers to remove the residue. They don't change the metal composition, just cause rust on form on steel.


Depends on whether they're using KClO3.
KCl does a number on brass,and leaving those salts on steel will make it rust.
/A lot of former Eastern Block ammo manufacturers lie.
 
2013-06-19 02:08:52 PM

garandman1a: Just adding to the ammo shortage here. Therefore I have to blame Bush.


Shortage of ammo here is due directly to hoarders, preppers, and speculators snapping up supplies, while gullible idiots afraid of Obama taking away thur shootin' irons are driving up demand.
 
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