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(USA Today)   Noted women's rights advocate and sexual violence expert Serena Williams on the Steubenville, OH rape victim: "she shouldn't have put herself in that position"   (ftw.usatoday.com) divider line 86
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2013-06-18 06:05:14 PM
Denial & defamation lawsuit threat in 3, 2, 1...
 
2013-06-18 06:24:26 PM
"Do you think it was fair, what they got?"

No, I don't. They merely got slapped on their wrists, while the victim got sentenced to a lifetime of anguish, humiliation, and undeserved bullshiat from people like you.
 
2013-06-18 08:10:00 PM
She's got a valid point. I would encourage all men, women, and children to not allow themselves to live in Ohio.
 
2013-06-18 08:16:47 PM

doglover: She's got a valid point. I would encourage all men, women, and children to not allow themselves to live in Ohio.


Or hang out around football players.
 
2013-06-18 08:17:47 PM
I would definitely implore my daughters not to become so impaired that they lose control of their faculties especially around teenage boys as apparently being a sexual predator is the "in" thing these days in high school. Fair warning boys: there is lots of alligator infested swamp land around here and I know some Cajuns out in the boonies who won't say a word.
 
2013-06-18 09:23:23 PM
This paragraph never came out of a living person's mouth.  Each sentence was copied and pasted from a different Fark  comment.  It's a composite troll.

""Do you think it was fair, what they got? They did something stupid, but I don't know. I'm not blaming the girl, but if you're a 16-year-old and you're drunk like that, your parents should teach you-don't take drinks from other people. She's 16, why was she that drunk where she doesn't remember? It could have been much worse. She's lucky. Obviously I don't know, maybe she wasn't a virgin, but she shouldn't have put herself in that position, unless they slipped her something, then that's different."
 
2013-06-18 09:47:20 PM
I agree to the extent that she shouldn't have put her self in that situation to begin with (random party, over drank around teenage boys, etc).  A little common sense can go a long way.  With that out of the way then

This.....

Lorelle: "Do you think it was fair, what they got?"

No, I don't. They merely got slapped on their wrists, while the victim got sentenced to a lifetime of anguish, humiliation, and undeserved bullshiat from people like you.


Is completely true.  Just because she should've known better doesn't mean she deserved it.  No one does.  It wasn't really a slap on the wrist for the boys but I think she got the worst since her life is ruined now because there is no way in hell that town is going to let her live in peace.  They all damned near rallied together to defend the boys during the trial.
 
2013-06-18 10:04:53 PM
I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.
 
2013-06-18 10:15:14 PM
Which position?
 
2013-06-18 10:22:32 PM

serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.


Yup.  Feminists are a rapist's best friends.
 
2013-06-18 10:27:47 PM
There's proactive steps one can take to limit the chance of an adverse outcome in a given situation. I'm not sure why this concept is so offense to some.
 
2013-06-18 10:35:04 PM

Frank N Stein: There's proactive steps one can take to limit the chance of an adverse outcome in a given situation. I'm not sure why this concept is so offense to some.


It's pretty straightforward:

Telling victim how she could have avoided becoming a victim makes victim feel worse.  Compassionate people feel worse.  "You're not helping us feel better!"  Feeling better is their goal; the victim's future safety is not.
 
2013-06-18 10:42:39 PM
Women generally hate other women much, much more than any man could hate a woman.
 
2013-06-18 11:15:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.

Yup.  Feminists are a rapist's best friends.


I don't think this line of thinking is as much misogynistic as anti-male, almost.  It falls into this trap of seeming to think that men are incapable of controlling their sexuality.  It's the excuse the Taliban used for putting women in burqas: "If a guy sees a woman's ankles he can't help it, he just gets all rape-y!"

A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.
 
2013-06-18 11:21:35 PM

jake_lex: BarkingUnicorn: serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.

Yup.  Feminists are a rapist's best friends.

I don't think this line of thinking is as much misogynistic as anti-male, almost.  It falls into this trap of seeming to think that men are incapable of controlling their sexuality.  It's the excuse the Taliban used for putting women in burqas: "If a guy sees a woman's ankles he can't help it, he just gets all rape-y!"

A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.


No one is saying anyone deserved to be raped
 
2013-06-18 11:26:07 PM
A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."
 
2013-06-18 11:42:51 PM

jake_lex: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.


Doesn't deserve to be, but sure is more likely to be.
 
2013-06-18 11:54:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."


How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.
 
2013-06-18 11:58:59 PM

doglover: She's got a valid point. I would encourage all men, women, and children to not allow themselves to live in Ohio.


Particularly Steubenville, which exists solely to make Wheeling look good,
 
2013-06-19 12:06:57 AM

Hastor: BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."

How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.


There's bad people in this world, and there always will be. In the end, there are very easy steps we all can take to protect ourselves from bad people and situations (most of the time)

This is not victim blaming. It's reality.
 
2013-06-19 12:07:59 AM
"Do you think it was fair, what they got? They did something stupid, but I don't know. I'm not blaming the girl,"

A)  If by "they" you mean the rapists, are you sure you want to use the word "stupid" to describe their violent crime - "something stupid" = stealing your rival's mascot, not, uh, rape
B)  Obviously you are blaming the girl (the bolded words give you away)
 
2013-06-19 12:11:41 AM

Frank N Stein: Hastor: BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."

How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.

There's bad people in this world, and there always will be. In the end, there are very easy steps we all can take to protect ourselves from bad people and situations (most of the time)

This is not victim blaming. It's reality.


Yes I agree 100% but that's not what Serena said.
 
2013-06-19 12:15:12 AM

Nabb1: I would definitely implore my daughters not to become so impaired that they lose control of their faculties especially around teenage boys as apparently being a sexual predator is the "in" thing these days in high school. Fair warning boys: there is lots of alligator infested swamp land around here and I know some Cajuns out in the boonies who won't say a word.


Would you teach your sons the following rules:
www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk
 
2013-06-19 12:18:59 AM
The girl was stupid and something bad happened to her. Sometimes you reap what you sow. The boys were punished way to much.
 
2013-06-19 12:19:05 AM
I remember my college newspaper publishing a list of tips on how to avoid having your bike stolen with common-sense tips such as "Lock your bike with a lock that can't be easily cut," and "remove the seat as that's a common target for thieves," and "find a better place to lock it up if you're not just locking it up for a couple of hours"

I seriously thought about drafting an angry letter to the paper about the rampant anti-bike culture on campus and how this was just a way of blaming bike owners for stolen bikes rather than going after the real criminals.

In hindsight, I wish I had.
 
2013-06-19 12:19:17 AM

plushpuppy: Nabb1: I would definitely implore my daughters not to become so impaired that they lose control of their faculties especially around teenage boys as apparently being a sexual predator is the "in" thing these days in high school. Fair warning boys: there is lots of alligator infested swamp land around here and I know some Cajuns out in the boonies who won't say a word.

Would you teach your sons the following rules:
[www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk image 595x842]


Is that real? They should put one up in every dayroom in the US military.
 
2013-06-19 12:22:44 AM

balki1867: I remember my college newspaper publishing a list of tips on how to avoid having your bike stolen with common-sense tips such as "Lock your bike with a lock that can't be easily cut," and "remove the seat as that's a common target for thieves," and "find a better place to lock it up if you're not just locking it up for a couple of hours"

I seriously thought about drafting an angry letter to the paper about the rampant anti-bike culture on campus and how this was just a way of blaming bike owners for stolen bikes rather than going after the real criminals.

In hindsight, I wish I had.


That would have been a classic.
 
2013-06-19 12:25:19 AM

plushpuppy: Nabb1: I would definitely implore my daughters not to become so impaired that they lose control of their faculties especially around teenage boys as apparently being a sexual predator is the "in" thing these days in high school. Fair warning boys: there is lots of alligator infested swamp land around here and I know some Cajuns out in the boonies who won't say a word.

Would you teach your sons the following rules:
[www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk image 595x842]


That's awesome. These kind of threads make me lose some of my faith in humanity. Instead of focusing on what the victim did to bring this on maybe we should focus on making sure the rapist don't put themselves in "bad situations".

/I particularly love #6
 
2013-06-19 12:26:09 AM

plushpuppy: Would you teach your sons the following rules:


I would teach my children of both sexes not to commit crimes.

I'd also teach my children of both sexes that if they put themselves in certain situations they make themselves targets to certain crimes. If my 18-year-old son gets hammered, and walks home from a frat party alone, he's a pretty easy target for someone to mug/rob him.  That doesn't make it his fault in any way, but he's a far more likely victim.  Should I not warn him about that?
 
2013-06-19 12:27:23 AM

HeathenHealer: Instead of focusing on what the victim did to bring this on


Talking about safety precautions people can take is not the same thing as blaming the victim, no matter how many times it's repeated.
 
2013-06-19 12:35:56 AM

Hastor: BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."

How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.


Just because you're a victim doesn't make you blameless. I don't see anything wrong with blaming the blameworthy whether or not they're victims.

Drunk driver runs over sober pedestrian who is walking on sidewalk?   Driver is 100% at fault.  Drunk driver runs over drunk pedestrian who is staggering down the freeway's center lane?  Pedestrian's damages award will be reduced by half, most likely.

Drunk boy rapes sober girl who's just minding her own business?  Boy is 100% at fault.  Drunk  boy rapes drunk girl who's flashing her tits in a room full of drunk boys?  Her damages award will be reduced by half, too.

Insisting that every victim is blameless by virtue of victimhood is absurd and detrimental to all victims. Lumping blameless and blameworthy victims together is unjust to the blameless. It doesn't do a blameworthy victim any good to let her continue being a dumbass with a clear conscience.

And by "dumbass" I mean, "someone who does irresponsible things that expose her to heightened risk of injury," whether it's rape or getting run over by a car.
 
2013-06-19 12:37:58 AM

GoldSpider: Talking about safety precautions people can take is not the same thing as blaming still shifting the blame on the victim, no matter how many times it's repeated always.

 
2013-06-19 12:38:25 AM

serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.


Tom Arnold is all I can say. Tom Arnold.
 
2013-06-19 12:39:00 AM

AliceBToklasLives: Frank N Stein: Hastor: BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."

How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.

There's bad people in this world, and there always will be. In the end, there are very easy steps we all can take to protect ourselves from bad people and situations (most of the time)

This is not victim blaming. It's reality.

Yes I agree 100% but that's not what Serena said.


If you think you read what Serena said, I have a Nigerian friend who would like to correspond with you.
 
2013-06-19 12:40:45 AM

HeathenHealer: GoldSpider: Talking about safety precautions people can take is not the same thing as blaming still shifting the blame on the victim, no matter how many times it's repeated always.


You have no other response than mindlessly repeating the "victim blaming" mantra.
 
2013-06-19 12:44:54 AM

Frank N Stein: HeathenHealer: GoldSpider: Talking about safety precautions people can take is not the same thing as blaming still shifting the blame on the victim, no matter how many times it's repeated always.

You have no other response than mindlessly repeating the "victim blaming" mantra.


No, I think the poster posted earlier is spot on. If you don't think this is classic victim blaming going i'm not sure what to tell you. I guess i'm of the mindset that no matter how a female behaves, dresses, or how much she drinks, it's never ok to sexually assault her. But that's just me. How about we hold males to the same standards?
 
2013-06-19 12:46:05 AM

Frank N Stein: HeathenHealer: GoldSpider: Talking about safety precautions people can take is not the same thing as blaming still shifting the blame on the victim, no matter how many times it's repeated always.

You have no other response than mindlessly repeating the "victim blaming" mantra.


Apparently we can't tell a construction worker to wear a hardhat either, as that would be blaming him when a falling brick splits his unprotected head.
 
2013-06-19 12:46:38 AM
That girl shouldn't have been sexually assaulted and those boys should not have done what they did. But Serena is not a dumbass for making a reasonable comment that you shouldn't do things to put yourself in harm's way. Especially when you find out there are people who will take advantage.
 
2013-06-19 12:48:09 AM

HeathenHealer: I guess i'm of the mindset that no matter how a female behaves, dresses, or how much she drinks, it's never ok to sexually assault her.


Oddly enough, NOBODY here has said it's OK to sexually assault someone.
 
2013-06-19 12:48:12 AM
Taking safety precautions has not and will never be "victim blaming" no matter how much feminists try to make it so.  Don;t get black out drunk around people you don;t know.  No, this doesn't mean you deserve to get raped, it does mean you were hap hazard with your safety. Leaving the keys in the car while telling some shady people that there are keys in the car doesn't mean you deserve to have your car stole, it does mean you put yourself in a bad position.

People who arent brainwashed understand that people can take proactive steps to protect themselves.
 
2013-06-19 12:56:07 AM

serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.


Yep, pretty sure you just doomed your kids to a life full of bad karma.
 
2013-06-19 12:59:37 AM

Alphakronik: serial_crusher: I fear that things like Slut Walks, and the reactions we have to comments like Serenas, are creating the wrong impression in some young minds.  Sure, the message people want to go for is that "even if you're acting like a complete skank, doesn't mean you deserve to get raped", but in a lot of cases it comes across like "it's ok to act like a complete skank", and then we're arguing about the wrong thing.  It's not ok to act like a complete skank, and I wish we'd all be more honest about that.

Getting drunk until you black out is a bad idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys is a worse idea.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players is even worse.
Getting drunk until you black out around teenage boys who are star football players and you're a reasonably attractive teenage girl is a colossally terrible idea.

Raping somebody is an order of magnitude worse than all those bad ideas combined.

Can we not just agree on all of those?  Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake.  But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.

Yep, pretty sure you just doomed your kids to a life full of bad karma.


How does it feel to look pathetically empty-headed compared to serial_crusher?
 
2013-06-19 12:59:39 AM

serial_crusher: Can we not just agree on all of those? Girl made a mistake, got one of the worst possible outcomes of said mistake. But all the suffering she went through doesn't magically make her off limits for criticism.


ww3.sinaimg.cn
 
2013-06-19 01:02:10 AM

HeathenHealer: No, I think the poster posted earlier is spot on. If you don't think this is classic victim blaming going i'm not sure what to tell you. I guess i'm of the mindset that no matter how a female behaves, dresses, or how much she drinks, it's never ok to sexually assault her. But that's just me. How about we hold males to the same standards?


If you go to a poorly lit inner city back alley at 2am and wave around a stack of $100 bills and get robbed then we would be completely justified in saying "Hey, you shouldn't have put yourself in that position."  We aren't excusing the behavior of whoever robbed you, we are merely pointing out that there are certain steps you can take to reduce risks.

I believe rapists are one of the lowest form of scum found on this planet, and at the same time I can say there are steps people can take to reduce the risk of getting raped. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.
 
2013-06-19 01:05:00 AM

BarkingUnicorn: AliceBToklasLives: Frank N Stein: Hastor: BarkingUnicorn: A woman who is drunk off her ass with her tits hanging out in the football team's locker room does not deserve to be raped any more than any other woman anywhere.

She doesn't deserve to get raped any more than drunk drivers deserve to run into trees.  But both deserve to  be told they acted like dumbasses, not "you didn't do anything to bring this on."

How is this not blaming the victim?  You're literally saying that they did something to bring this on.  This, in that case, is being raped.

There's bad people in this world, and there always will be. In the end, there are very easy steps we all can take to protect ourselves from bad people and situations (most of the time)

This is not victim blaming. It's reality.

Yes I agree 100% but that's not what Serena said.

If you think you read what Serena said, I have a Nigerian friend who would like to correspond with you.


Uh, ok, then enlighten me.
 
2013-06-19 01:08:02 AM

AliceBToklasLives: If you think you read what Serena said, I have a Nigerian friend who would like to correspond with you.

Uh, ok, then enlighten me.


What you read is the Rolling Stone writer's recollection of what Serena said, at best.  At worst, it's entirely fabricated.  Expect her denial and threat to sue in tomorrow's news.
 
2013-06-19 01:18:53 AM

Mattyb710: I believe rapists are one of the lowest form of scum found on this planet, and at the same time I can say there are steps people can take to reduce the risk of getting raped. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.


I know they're not, but I honestly don't think that's what's going on. An underage girl drank too much and got sexually assaulted. TONS of underage girls will drink too much and NOT get assaulted. Lets put the focus on the males who did this.

Not so CSB. I work with juvenile offenders and have heard some of them use the same line of thinking to "justify" their actions. "She shouldn't have drank that much at the party and passed out", it's sickening to hear from the perps.
 
2013-06-19 01:24:58 AM

HeathenHealer: Mattyb710: I believe rapists are one of the lowest form of scum found on this planet, and at the same time I can say there are steps people can take to reduce the risk of getting raped. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.

I know they're not, but I honestly don't think that's what's going on. An underage girl drank too much and got sexually assaulted. TONS of underage girls will drink too much and NOT get assaulted. Lets put the focus on the males who did this.

Not so CSB. I work with juvenile offenders and have heard some of them use the same line of thinking to "justify" their actions. "She shouldn't have drank that much at the party and passed out", it's sickening to hear from the perps.


The focus IS on the males. Some attention is being given to taking obvious precautions. Feminists have completely hone off the rails with the victim blaming meme
 
2013-06-19 01:32:27 AM

HeathenHealer: Mattyb710: I believe rapists are one of the lowest form of scum found on this planet, and at the same time I can say there are steps people can take to reduce the risk of getting raped. The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.

I know they're not, but I honestly don't think that's what's going on. An underage girl drank too much and got sexually assaulted. TONS of underage girls will drink too much and NOT get assaulted. Lets put the focus on the males who did this.

Not so CSB. I work with juvenile offenders and have heard some of them use the same line of thinking to "justify" their actions. "She shouldn't have drank that much at the party and passed out", it's sickening to hear from the perps.


What's going on is that this thread is about an article where someone said "she shouldn't have put herself in that situation." Some people are saying Serena's comments are completely out of line and she should be ashamed or whatever. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with her comments alone. She doesn't excuse the behavior of the rapists, she just says the girl shouldn't have been out drinking until she passed out.
As for your anecdote, of course sociopaths are going to come up with something to justify their actions. It's never their own fault of course! And I agree, it is sickening. It doesn't matter if a female removed all her clothes, and lay down spread eagle before passing out drunk. It is not OK to molest or rape her.

BarkingUnicorn: What you read is the Rolling Stone writer's recollection of what Serena said, at best. At worst, it's entirely fabricated. Expect her denial and threat to sue in tomorrow's news.


I don't know of a single journalist who conducts interviews without recording them anymore.
 
2013-06-19 01:36:21 AM
I can't wait to hear her be called out in a press conference for this, only to have her threaten to shove a mic down the reporter's throat.
 
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