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2013-06-19 01:01:54 AM

MFAWG: I saw alot of Ron Washington there back in the day.


I loved Wash when he was third base coach. I remember being really, really disappointed when they picked Bob Geren over him for manager. Given how things have turned out with Bob Melvin, I'm feeling a lot better about things these days.
 
2013-06-19 01:03:39 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: mrjared: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?

While Raley Field is probably a nicer stadium than the concrete bowl the A's call home, the capacity is less than half. I don't think it would work.

No, it wouldn't, and by design it's not expandable, either.

/that was a conscious decision for some reason
//Sacramento does have a glorious baseball history, though
///See: Sacramento Solons, Edmonds Field


it was supposed to be but heavy rains during the season it was constructed meant they had to abandon that plan
 
2013-06-19 01:11:30 AM

red5ish: The Bestest: red5ish: Or, you know, the A's could just build a new ballpark in Oakland. But what they want is to have someone else pay for a new ballpark, such as the taxpayers of San Jose.

San Jose is willing and ready to do it. Why wouldn't the A's try to get that deal?

The A's would love to get that deal, no doubt about it. That fact is implicit in my earlier post. My question is why the A's don't build themselves a new ballpark in Oakland. Is it okay for teams to pick up and move to a new city when they get an offer for a new ballpark? Is it okay for teams to say 'build us a new ballpark or we'll move'?  I don't think it is. I think it's bad for the fans.


Because sports teams figured out a long time ago that there will always be fans and they will always make money.
 
2013-06-19 01:23:59 AM

Daniels: Because sports teams figured out a long time ago that there will always be fans and they will always make money.


The [purported] reason teams move is because they aren't making money. That's why they want better newer stadiums with luxury boxes and underground train stations with domes with spinning fish sculptures. Look at the Marlins. They're profitable now that they have all that crap.
 
2013-06-19 02:00:10 AM

red5ish: That's a good question, especially if you're not from the Bay Area. The answer is yes and no. It could be worse.
I think there are Oakland fans who will feel betrayed by the move, if it happens.
Having a professional team in your city is a source of civic pride and there is little love lost between Oakland and San Jose. Are Oakland fans going to run out and buy San Jose jerseys? I don't think so.


Oakland is a joke.

I know a few A's fans in the East Bay who would love to see the A's move to San Jose because then the A's would have a real payroll, real sponsorship, a real stadium, and not have to play the second fiddle to the Giants all the time.

There's a TON of AL fans in the Peninsula & South Bay who would love to have a MLB franchise in San Jose rather than that sewer pit at O.co. That whole Hegenberger area (which is hardly downtown Oakland)... it's kind of crappy to visit. I would not take my kids up there to see the A's, but I'd take them to San Jose for an A's game.

Also, if you park in the Amtrak lot, be sure to give my man a few extra bucks to watch your car while you're at O.co.

/Why don't the A's build a stadium? BECAUSE OAKLAND IS A farkING JOKE. Mayor Quan would let a new stadium go up without a billion retard radical left groups got their paws all over the money? Hell to the no. shiat gets done in San Jose, not Oakland.
 
2013-06-19 10:04:16 AM

Cagey B: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: MFAWG: We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.

Heh, I just suggested that yesterday in another thread. It's a 600 mile drive for me, but I'd be there.

I'm down for a Coliseum Fark party. Preferably when they're playing the Rangers, since there's a sizable presence of their fans here. We can do live updates/taunts.


Coincidentally, the Rangers just happen to be in Oakland for my Three-Day Birthday Jubilee August 2, 3, and 4th and also they're in town September 2, 3, and 4th. Can you (or anyone) suggest a venue for a pre- and/or post-game Fark Party? Only place that I can think of offhand, is Spenger's in Berkeley.
 
2013-06-19 10:13:16 AM

neuroflare: Correct me if I'm wrong.

So Candlestick is a shiathole, and the Giants needed some leverage for getting a stadium built. The A's do them a solid and give the Giants the rights to the San Jose market. This threat of moving to San Jose forces the city of SF to built AT&T park. Now the situation is reversed, and the A's are stuck in a shiathole you heard about the showers right? dual purpose facility and SF won't give them the rights back to them get a stadium.

Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?


Its their right to be dicks about this.  The A's didn't give them anything.  They just didn't put up a stink about it when the issue came up.  It wasn't theirs to begin with.

Glenn Dickey - SF Examiner

Forget the urban legend about the agreement between Bob Lurie and the late Walter Haas Jr. and territorial rights. Neither team had any rights beyond their own cities in 1990. Haas was a wonderful human being and would gladly have given Lurie the go-ahead to pursue possible parks in the San Jose area - two attempts at San Jose and Santa Clara were rebuffed by voters - but you can't give away something you don't have.
The Giants' rights were negotiated by the ownership when the team was purchased from Lurie in December of 1992. Major League Baseball demanded that the Giants get a new park to replace Candlestick within 10 years. In return, the Giants got territorial rights to the counties down the Peninsula and San Jose. The money from Silicon Valley, both in sponsorships and purchase of "charter seats," was vitally important to the building of the park and to the current operating budget of the Giants.
 
2013-06-19 11:20:24 AM
The money from Silicon Valley, both in sponsorships and purchase of "charter seats," was vitally important to the building of the park and to the current operating budget of the Giants.

There's always going to be more cache surrounding the Giants, even with the A's in San Jose. And with both teams having such well defined fan bases I don't see it having much impact on the Giants. A few casual fans in SJ might choose to go to a couple more A's games, much like East Bay Giants fans do now (because it's cheap and there are always walk ups available, but a new park won't even be cheap).
 
2013-06-19 01:30:15 PM

ihatebuttsex: Glenn Dickey - SF Examiner

Forget the urban legend about the agreement between Bob Lurie and the late Walter Haas Jr. and territorial rights. Neither team had any rights beyond their own cities in 1990. Haas was a wonderful human being and would gladly have given Lurie the go-ahead to pursue possible parks in the San Jose area - two attempts at San Jose and Santa Clara were rebuffed by voters - but you can't give away something you don't have.
The Giants' rights were negotiated by the ownership when the team was purchased from Lurie in December of 1992. Major League Baseball demanded that the Giants get a new park to replace Candlestick within 10 years. In return, the Giants got territorial rights to the counties down the Peninsula and San Jose. The money from Silicon Valley, both in sponsorships and purchase of "charter seats," was vitally important to the building of the park and to the current operating budget of the Giants.


This is so wrong on about 100 different levels. Literally everything he said is absolutely and demonstrably false. It's sad that so many memebers of the media (KNBR and the SF Chronicle, of which Dickey used to be a huge part) are so willing to be mouthpieces for the Giants, but here we are.


Glenn Dickey needs to fark off and die already.
 
2013-06-19 02:28:48 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Glenn Dickey needs to fark off and die already.


Plus, he's a liar. The only worse sportswriter in the Bay Area is Lowell Cohn.
 
2013-06-19 11:25:48 PM

drewogatory: The money from Silicon Valley, both in sponsorships and purchase of "charter seats," was vitally important to the building of the park and to the current operating budget of the Giants.

There's always going to be more cache surrounding the Giants, even with the A's in San Jose. And with both teams having such well defined fan bases I don't see it having much impact on the Giants. A few casual fans in SJ might choose to go to a couple more A's games, much like East Bay Giants fans do now (because it's cheap and there are always walk ups available, but a new park won't even be cheap).


What's so great about the Giants? You had the ra ra's going to stand up for Barry & sit right back down again, and now you've got bandwagoners for the World Series champs, but what else? Longhair cut his hair, Bochy has old man's disease in San Francisco, Buster also is an old man out there. How many Giants fans are actually Giants fans, and not spectacle bandwagon fans?

There's plenty of AL fans. There's also recent winning history with the A's (if you're not a farking teenager or if your memory of baseball extends further than Barry Bonds). The DH rule makes for more runs. If the A's had payroll, that product would be plenty good.

It might not overtake the Giants overnight, but why go all the way up to the City for Silicon Valley baseball fans?
 
2013-06-20 02:10:31 AM
legion_of_doo:

There's a lot of "WAT" in your post, but let me put it this way...

...It's called the San Francisco Bay Area for a REASON, regardless of how big San Jose is or how well the A's do.  The Giants will always be the bigger team.  It would take something drastic... like the Giants becoming 100 game losers for several years in a row and the A's winning the series... for the A's to beat the Giants in ticket sales.  And even if that did happen, the Giants would still sell almost as many and be almost as popular.  If there is ANY team that is a bandwagon team, it is the A's.  The stadium is practically empty most games (less so this season, but still).
 
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