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2013-06-18 06:04:58 PM
Another A's thread!

Go A's!!!

/But not to San Jose please.
 
2013-06-18 06:50:47 PM
Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?
 
2013-06-18 07:05:27 PM
The lawsuit, directly targeting MLB's antitrust exemption, might finally get Selig off his ass about this, but let's look down the road a bit..

Let's say the lawsuit finally forces the vote.. but what happens if the A's -don't- get the 23 votes they'd need to overrule the Giants?
 
2013-06-18 07:20:10 PM
For a second I read that as San Juan filed suit. That might actually be pretty cool. I suggest we move the Tampa Bay Devil Rays out of their shiathole Tropicana field and put them on a plane to Puerto Rico ASAP.
 
2013-06-18 07:20:48 PM

The Bestest: The lawsuit, directly targeting MLB's antitrust exemption, might finally get Selig off his ass about this, but let's look down the road a bit..

Let's say the lawsuit finally forces the vote.. but what happens if the A's -don't- get the 23 votes they'd need to overrule the Giants?


Then they stay in Oakland. I think San Jose is doing this so they can finally have a plan when it comes to building a stadium and/or land use.
 
2013-06-18 07:25:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?


San Jos-A's.

/just build it next to the Shark Tank. CalTrain goes there, and BART eventually will.
 
2013-06-18 07:26:47 PM

JayCab: /just build it next to the Shark Tank.


that's the plan
 
2013-06-18 07:27:56 PM

Lunchlady: Then they stay in Oakland. I think San Jose is doing this so they can finally have a plan when it comes to building a stadium and/or land use.


I was thinking more the "Do the A's start seriously exploring leaving the Bay Area at that point?" angle.
 
2013-06-18 07:29:29 PM

The Bestest: Lunchlady: Then they stay in Oakland. I think San Jose is doing this so they can finally have a plan when it comes to building a stadium and/or land use.

I was thinking more the "Do the A's start seriously exploring leaving the Bay Area at that point?" angle.


Maybe go back to Philadelphia and give that area an American League team?
 
2013-06-18 07:36:26 PM

JosephFinn: Maybe go back to Philadelphia and give that area an American League team?


I actually wonder if Philly could support two teams...
 
2013-06-18 07:46:26 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong.

So Candlestick is a shiathole, and the Giants needed some leverage for getting a stadium built. The A's do them a solid and give the Giants the rights to the San Jose market. This threat of moving to San Jose forces the city of SF to built AT&T park. Now the situation is reversed, and the A's are stuck in a shiathole you heard about the showers right? dual purpose facility and SF won't give them the rights back to them get a stadium.

Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?
 
2013-06-18 07:47:45 PM
Also, MLB has to step in and do something about this. I don't think they want the government looking at that anti-trust exemption and changing their mind.
 
2013-06-18 07:48:25 PM

neuroflare: Correct me if I'm wrong.

So Candlestick is a shiathole, and the Giants needed some leverage for getting a stadium built. The A's do them a solid and give the Giants the rights to the San Jose market. This threat of moving to San Jose forces the city of SF to built AT&T park. Now the situation is reversed, and the A's are stuck in a shiathole you heard about the showers right? dual purpose facility and SF won't give them the rights back to them get a stadium.

Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?


You're exactly right.  The Coliseum is so totally outdated, it's not even funny anymore.
 
2013-06-18 07:53:47 PM

neuroflare: Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?


No, that's pretty much the gist of it, and it requires a 23/30 vote to overrule the Giants. The issue is Selig assigned "a committee" to explore the SJ thing.. 4 years ago.. and we still don't have a vote.
 
2013-06-18 07:57:14 PM
I'd move all if my shiat out of Oakland ASAP and bury all of it and its citizens under the rubble of the Coliseum. What a shiathole of a supposed city.
But hey, that's just me
 
2013-06-18 07:57:51 PM
If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.

/yes I know they have a hockey team
//but when I think baseball, San Jose doesn't seem like a good fit
 
2013-06-18 08:04:22 PM

neuroflare: Correct me if I'm wrong.

So Candlestick is a shiathole, and the Giants needed some leverage for getting a stadium built. The A's do them a solid and give the Giants the rights to the San Jose market. This threat of moving to San Jose forces the city of SF to built AT&T park. Now the situation is reversed, and the A's are stuck in a shiathole you heard about the showers right? dual purpose facility and SF won't give them the rights back to them get a stadium.

Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?


You're right about the Giants being dicks, but you're wrong about who built and owns the Phone Booth. The City may have thrown some weight around, but we made the Giants financially responsible, because we didn't want to go through the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.
 
2013-06-18 08:10:47 PM

LibertyHiller: You're right about the Giants being dicks, but you're wrong about who built and owns the Phone Booth. The City may have thrown some weight around, but we made the Giants financially responsible, because we didn't want to go through the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.


So it was more to get city approval to build it than anything.
 
2013-06-18 08:41:33 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?


While Raley Field is probably a nicer stadium than the concrete bowl the A's call home, the capacity is less than half. I don't think it would work.
 
2013-06-18 08:41:39 PM

JayCab: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?

San Jos-A's.

/just build it next to the Shark Tank. CalTrain goes there, and BART eventually will.


Did they ever build the arena out by the speedway?
 
2013-06-18 08:54:24 PM

mrjared: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sacramento A's

/much nicer ring than San Jose, don't you think?

While Raley Field is probably a nicer stadium than the concrete bowl the A's call home, the capacity is less than half. I don't think it would work.


No, it wouldn't, and by design it's not expandable, either.

/that was a conscious decision for some reason
//Sacramento does have a glorious baseball history, though
///See: Sacramento Solons, Edmonds Field
 
2013-06-18 08:57:42 PM

bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.

/yes I know they have a hockey team
//but when I think baseball, San Jose doesn't seem like a good fit


You are aware San Jose is a bigger city than both Oakland and San Francisco, right? It's the third most populous city in CA, after LA and San Diego.
 
2013-06-18 08:58:56 PM
A's up, 3-0, 3rd inning. Moss and Jaso went yard.
 
2013-06-18 09:09:52 PM
in other laugh-at-the-Yankees-misfortune, who-didn't-see-this-coming news, Teixeira is back on the DL (re-aggravated the wrist, but MRI is negative) and Youk is possibly done for the season, requiring surgery on a herniated disc
 
2013-06-18 09:16:06 PM

LibertyHiller: the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.


Mount Davis will always be reason number one for hating the fark out of Al.  That stadium at least made a tiny bit of sense in its old alignment, a perfectly round version of what they have in the two LA stadiums.  Now it's just beyond awkward, and probably hurts the team far more than it will ever help it.  And the worst part is, BOTH teams need a new park because of what Al did to it.
 
2013-06-18 09:19:45 PM

FriarReb98: LibertyHiller: the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.

Mount Davis will always be reason number one for hating the fark out of Al.  That stadium at least made a tiny bit of sense in its old alignment, a perfectly round version of what they have in the two LA stadiums.  Now it's just beyond awkward, and probably hurts the team far more than it will ever help it.  And the worst part is, BOTH teams need a new park because of what Al did to it.


My understanding is that even the Raiders tarp over it now to prevent blackouts.
 
2013-06-18 09:22:47 PM

FriarReb98: LibertyHiller: the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.

Mount Davis will always be reason number one for hating the fark out of Al.  That stadium at least made a tiny bit of sense in its old alignment, a perfectly round version of what they have in the two LA stadiums.  Now it's just beyond awkward, and probably hurts the team far more than it will ever help it.  And the worst part is, BOTH teams need a new park because of what Al did to it.


QFT. The old stadium was not horrible, and was actually better than the Stick, especially when you consider that it was never designed for baseball at all.

I'll go back when they actually move. Lots of history and personal good tomes there
 
2013-06-18 09:29:04 PM

neuroflare: Correct me if I'm wrong.

So Candlestick is a shiathole, and the Giants needed some leverage for getting a stadium built. The A's do them a solid and give the Giants the rights to the San Jose market. This threat of moving to San Jose forces the city of SF to built AT&T park. Now the situation is reversed, and the A's are stuck in a shiathole you heard about the showers right? dual purpose facility and SF won't give them the rights back to them get a stadium.

Am I wrong or are the Giants' ownership being dicks about this?


Nope. You nailed it like others have said. A's are always getting crapped on.

/Go A's!
 
2013-06-18 10:10:43 PM

Neeek: bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.

/yes I know they have a hockey team
//but when I think baseball, San Jose doesn't seem like a good fit

You are aware San Jose is a bigger city than both Oakland and San Francisco, right? It's the third most populous city in CA, after LA and San Diego.


Not to mention having the highest median income in the nation.
 
2013-06-18 10:11:12 PM

bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.


SJ is the 10th largest city in the US, so I am not sure how that is a necessarily a minor league town.
 
2013-06-18 10:27:39 PM

MFAWG: FriarReb98: LibertyHiller: the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.

Mount Davis will always be reason number one for hating the fark out of Al.  That stadium at least made a tiny bit of sense in its old alignment, a perfectly round version of what they have in the two LA stadiums.  Now it's just beyond awkward, and probably hurts the team far more than it will ever help it.  And the worst part is, BOTH teams need a new park because of what Al did to it.

QFT. The old stadium was not horrible, and was actually better than the Stick, especially when you consider that it was never designed for baseball at all.

I'll go back when they actually move. Lots of history and personal good tomes there


Not only wasn't it horrible, the bleacher sections were f-ing awesome. Beer was a little pricey, but $4 admission. And you could just get hammered because you were taking the train.
 
2013-06-18 10:30:05 PM

DenisVengeance: Neeek: bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.

/yes I know they have a hockey team
//but when I think baseball, San Jose doesn't seem like a good fit

You are aware San Jose is a bigger city than both Oakland and San Francisco, right? It's the third most populous city in CA, after LA and San Diego.

Not to mention having the highest median income in the nation.


And a shiatload of Mexicans.
/well it's true
 
2013-06-18 10:36:15 PM
Or, you know, the A's could just build a new ballpark in Oakland. But what they want is to have someone else pay for a new ballpark, such as the taxpayers of San Jose.
 
2013-06-18 10:37:52 PM

red5ish: Or, you know, the A's could just build a new ballpark in Oakland. But what they want is to have someone else pay for a new ballpark, such as the taxpayers of San Jose.


San Jose is willing and ready to do it. Why wouldn't the A's try to get that deal?
 
2013-06-18 10:42:52 PM

drewogatory: Not only wasn't it horrible, the bleacher sections were f-ing awesome. Beer was a little pricey, but $4 admission. And you could just get hammered because you were taking the train.


I used to bring in a baby bottle full of Kahlua for my coffee. Was never questioned.

What a Coliseum renovation may look like:

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 11:02:26 PM

drewogatory: MFAWG: FriarReb98: LibertyHiller: the BS that the Prince of Darkness pulled on the Coliseum Authority.

Mount Davis will always be reason number one for hating the fark out of Al.  That stadium at least made a tiny bit of sense in its old alignment, a perfectly round version of what they have in the two LA stadiums.  Now it's just beyond awkward, and probably hurts the team far more than it will ever help it.  And the worst part is, BOTH teams need a new park because of what Al did to it.

QFT. The old stadium was not horrible, and was actually better than the Stick, especially when you consider that it was never designed for baseball at all.

I'll go back when they actually move. Lots of history and personal good tomes there

Not only wasn't it horrible, the bleacher sections were f-ing awesome. Beer was a little pricey, but $4 admission. And you could just get hammered because you were taking the train.


We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.
 
2013-06-18 11:21:15 PM

The Bestest: red5ish: Or, you know, the A's could just build a new ballpark in Oakland. But what they want is to have someone else pay for a new ballpark, such as the taxpayers of San Jose.

San Jose is willing and ready to do it. Why wouldn't the A's try to get that deal?


The A's would love to get that deal, no doubt about it. That fact is implicit in my earlier post. My question is why the A's don't build themselves a new ballpark in Oakland. Is it okay for teams to pick up and move to a new city when they get an offer for a new ballpark? Is it okay for teams to say 'build us a new ballpark or we'll move'?  I don't think it is. I think it's bad for the fans.
 
2013-06-18 11:26:23 PM

red5ish: The A's would love to get that deal, no doubt about it. That fact is implicit in my earlier post. My question is why the A's don't build themselves a new ballpark in Oakland. Is it okay for teams to pick up and move to a new city when they get an offer for a new ballpark? Is it okay for teams to say 'build us a new ballpark or we'll move'?  I don't think it is. I think it's bad for the fans.


Is it really that big of a deal when it's in the same metro area?
 
2013-06-18 11:28:38 PM

MFAWG: We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.


I'll go
 
2013-06-18 11:36:15 PM

MFAWG: We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.


Heh, I just suggested that yesterday in another thread. It's a 600 mile drive for me, but I'd be there.
 
2013-06-18 11:56:52 PM

Neeek: bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.  It'd also call into question the sanity of anybody wanting to move a major league baseball team to a minor league town.

/yes I know they have a hockey team
//but when I think baseball, San Jose doesn't seem like a good fit

You are aware San Jose is a bigger city than both Oakland and San Francisco, right? It's the third most populous city in CA, after LA and San Diego.


Not only that, but, with the 49ers moving the team to a town right next to San Jose, they will be the only team I am aware of that will play in a city and decide to take the name of another city, but have a 3rd city that is CLOSER with a higher population.  While it is common for teams to play in smaller towns and take the name of a big city in the metro area (Buffalo in Orchard Park, Detroit in Pontiac, etc), but, the 49ers will be like if the Ravens built a new stadium in College Park, but still kept the name Baltimore.
 
2013-06-19 12:13:15 AM

The Bestest: Is it really that big of a deal when it's in the same metro area?


That's a good question, especially if you're not from the Bay Area. The answer is yes and no. It could be worse.
I think there are Oakland fans who will feel betrayed by the move, if it happens.
Having a professional team in your city is a source of civic pride and there is little love lost between Oakland and San Jose. Are Oakland fans going to run out and buy San Jose jerseys? I don't think so.

In this specific case it's only 40 miles, but generally I think moving teams is bad for the fans. It can be like a death in the family.
 
2013-06-19 12:18:38 AM

red5ish: The Bestest: Is it really that big of a deal when it's in the same metro area?

That's a good question, especially if you're not from the Bay Area. The answer is yes and no. It could be worse.
I think there are Oakland fans who will feel betrayed by the move, if it happens.
Having a professional team in your city is a source of civic pride and there is little love lost between Oakland and San Jose. Are Oakland fans going to run out and buy San Jose jerseys? I don't think so.

In this specific case it's only 40 miles, but generally I think moving teams is bad for the fans. It can be like a death in the family.


Hmm.. it could be looked at it that way. I think the most recent example of this are the (now) Brooklyn Nets.
The two years they played in Newark (when their lease at Izod was up and it was a done deal they were moving to Brooklyn), it seemed all of the New Jersey Nets fans completely abandoned the team.
 
2013-06-19 12:34:33 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: MFAWG: We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.

Heh, I just suggested that yesterday in another thread. It's a 600 mile drive for me, but I'd be there.


I'm down for a Coliseum Fark party. Preferably when they're playing the Rangers, since there's a sizable presence of their fans here. We can do live updates/taunts.
 
2013-06-19 12:37:48 AM
How about if the A's build a football stadium in San Francisco in the parking lot next to AT&T, trade stadiums with the 49ers, and they and the Raiders can move to Santa Clara instead of the 49ers?  As of now, that parking lot next to AT&T is going to be the future home of the Warriors, who can also move to SJ instead, and share the HP with the Sharks.  There...now all Oakland teams can move to Santa Clara County like the NFL and the A's ownership both want, the 49ers can stay in San Francisco like they should, and Oakland has nothing, which it deserves.
 
2013-06-19 12:44:56 AM

The Bestest: Hmm.. it could be looked at it that way. I think the most recent example of this are the (now) Brooklyn Nets.
The two years they played in Newark (when their lease at Izod was up and it was a done deal they were moving to Brooklyn), it seemed all of the New Jersey Nets fans completely abandoned the team.


The provincial attitudes of the residents of the Bay Area cannot be over-emphasized. The concept of being in the same  "metro area" is unknown. There is the Bay Area and San Jose is not properly in the Bay Area. It's in the South Bay, which is a sprawling suburban mess built on flat land that used to be some of the best orchard land in the world. The people in the South Bay don't think of themselves as being from the Bay Area, they are from the Silicon Valley. The people in San Francisco believe they live at the center of the universe. Oakland and Berkeley are in the East Bay. You get the idea.
 
2013-06-19 12:52:29 AM

trailerpimp: I'd move all if my shiat out of Oakland ASAP and bury all of it and its citizens under the rubble of the Coliseum. What a shiathole of a supposed city.
But hey, that's just me


Then again, you live in shiathole, KY, so who are you to talk?
 
2013-06-19 12:53:05 AM

bluorangefyre: If the A's move to San Jose, it'll break a long-standing tie with the Braves for most cities based out of.


The Orioles are also on their third city. They went from Milwaukee to St. Louis to Baltimore.

An argument could also be made for the Nats with the home games they played in San Juan as the Expos. It's not like one of those lame opening series they play overseas where somebody's called the home team just because somebody has to be, it was a significant part of their schedule over two seasons.
 
2013-06-19 12:55:52 AM

Cagey B: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: MFAWG: We should have a Fark party there the last season. Hopefully when the M's are in town.

Heh, I just suggested that yesterday in another thread. It's a 600 mile drive for me, but I'd be there.

I'm down for a Coliseum Fark party. Preferably when they're playing the Rangers, since there's a sizable presence of their fans here. We can do live updates/taunts.


I saw alot of Ron Washington there back in the day.
 
2013-06-19 12:56:22 AM

red5ish: The Bestest: red5ish: Or, you know, the A's could just build a new ballpark in Oakland. But what they want is to have someone else pay for a new ballpark, such as the taxpayers of San Jose.

San Jose is willing and ready to do it. Why wouldn't the A's try to get that deal?

The A's would love to get that deal, no doubt about it. That fact is implicit in my earlier post. My question is why the A's don't build themselves a new ballpark in Oakland. Is it okay for teams to pick up and move to a new city when they get an offer for a new ballpark? Is it okay for teams to say 'build us a new ballpark or we'll move'?  I don't think it is. I think it's bad for the fans.


THIS x's 1000000.
 
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