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(Washington Post)   Darrell Issa has done a wonderful job...exonerating the White House of any wrongdoing in the IRS "scandal"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 37
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2013-06-18 05:51:18 PM
8 votes:
The real scandal here is that the right would rather Americans suffer than see people's lives improve while a Democrat is in office
2013-06-18 07:44:29 PM
5 votes:

the_dude_abides: QUESTION: Do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decision to screen Tea Party cases?
ANSWER: I have no reason to believe that.
QUESTION: Do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decision to centralize the review of Tea Party cases?
ANSWER: I have no reason to believe that.

ehh, if that's what cummings is citing as proof to close the investigation, that's pretty weak. not that issa has much credibility, but cummings is just trying to sweep shiat under the carpet.


Actually, it proves it not only originated with a low-level staffer, but the conservative manager of said staffer allowed it.  That's not sweeping shiat under the carpet, that's 1st hand evidence.

Moreover, Issa didn't want to release this.  They should open up an ethics violation case on Issa.
2013-06-18 10:39:00 PM
4 votes:

xanadian: Welp.....Congress got the job done, FWIW...

gameshowhost: A serial liar caught lying again? Say it isn't so.

bronyaur1: Issa should be censured for his ridiculous lies.

Ehh...I don't think Issa necessarily *lied*...he just wanted to believe really really badly.

Either way, he's a dick.


He said he had evidence showing that it went straight to Obama. He had nothing. Therefore he lied.
2013-06-18 07:45:08 PM
4 votes:
Nicely summed up in the comments"

"Wait, what appears to have happened is that regular working folks at the IRS saw an issue, began analyzing the issue, asked for guidance to ensure equal treatment was used and that a protocol was in place, which would allow for efficiencies and money savings. Then when higher level employees and directors learned of the criteria they immediately changed it so not to be too critical of one group, and later changed it again. So the crime is that our "bad government agencies" acted appropriately at all levels?"

"And then the IRS conducted an internal investigation, and admitted to the public that targeting had occurred. It's a scandal! "
2013-06-18 07:21:32 PM
4 votes:
Issa was right though, releasing the transcripts would compromise the investigation.

Now that they're released, there's no more reason to investigate.
2013-06-18 06:18:07 PM
3 votes:
Issa should be censured for his ridiculous lies.
2013-06-18 05:41:57 PM
3 votes:
How long until Republicans flat out lying about White House involvement in scandals, and getting caught, turns into its own scandal?
2013-06-18 10:38:38 PM
2 votes:
Seems to me that reality exonerated Obama, as it generally does.

/Yeah yeah, I'm a shill, derpderpderp.
2013-06-18 09:51:22 PM
2 votes:
It won't matter. Much like a lawyer shouting out something to a jury that he knows the judge is going to tell them to disregard, Issa and pals know that they've put the idea into the heads of the voters that the Democrats are using the IRS as a weapon. No amount of contrary evidence at this point will undo the damage. At best it can only keep it from getting worse. I doubt it'll even stop the teabagging brigade from claiming Obama was personally responsible. In politics, facts are as valuable as Zimbabwe dollars.
2013-06-18 08:18:25 PM
2 votes:

Nemo's Brother: If Obama had nothing to do with this, that is fine. I just want whoever did to be properly punished.


But, NO ONE DID ANYTHING!!!!

Fer crissakes, NO ONE was targeted for their politics.  Every single person who is claiming they were is also on record as having signed an affidavit swearing that their groups HAD NO POLITICS TO TARGET!!!!!
2013-06-18 07:39:30 PM
2 votes:
QUESTION: Do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decision to screen Tea Party cases?
ANSWER: I have no reason to believe that.
QUESTION: Do you have any reason to believe that anyone in the White House was involved in the decision to centralize the review of Tea Party cases?
ANSWER: I have no reason to believe that.

ehh, if that's what cummings is citing as proof to close the investigation, that's pretty weak. not that issa has much credibility, but cummings is just trying to sweep shiat under the carpet.
2013-06-18 07:04:31 PM
2 votes:
This never had to be true, it was about flinging mud and a distraction until 2014. The republican house is at war with itself, is incapable of doing anything but voting to repeal Obamacare and the last thing they want is for anyone to notice.
2013-06-19 01:34:01 AM
1 votes:

IlGreven: impaler: How long until Republicans flat out lying about White House involvement in scandals, and getting caught, turns into its own scandal?

...it's been 30 years, and it hasn't happened yet...


Well duh. Nixon got caught in a scandal. Both sides are bad... Study it out!
2013-06-19 01:24:56 AM
1 votes:

impaler: How long until Republicans flat out lying about White House involvement in scandals, and getting caught, turns into its own scandal?


...it's been 30 years, and it hasn't happened yet...
2013-06-19 12:54:23 AM
1 votes:

Animatronik: First they said it was a grunt in Cincinatti who acted alone, so the President' s ppl couldn't be involved,  Now they're saying , well ok it wasn't just some grunt in Cincinatti, senior IRS officials in Washington knew about it, but for some reason that makes White House involvement less likely, not more.

/Not buying it.
/ / This smells like milhous's dirty laundry, there's bound to be more stench coming


You are not taking into account your long record of being wrong about things.
2013-06-18 11:58:12 PM
1 votes:

udhq: the_dude_abides: except for all those groups targeted for their politics, which has been confirmed by the inspector general

as always, your commitment to ignorance in light of facts is impressive, udhq

Sorry, you are 100% objectively wrong on this one.

All of the groups supposedly "targeted" were, by law, completely non-political, and ALL had signed affidavits stating that they were in compliance with this requirement.

Any way you look at it, there were NO POLITICS to be targeted within these groups.  You may as well take a walk through the woods and cut down only the "liberal" trees.


IRS:  Do you Tea Party groups promise you aren't political?
Tea Party:  We promise!  *crossed fingers*
2013-06-18 10:47:35 PM
1 votes:
I was just over to freerepublic.com. I'm not going to lie. It was scary.
2013-06-18 10:42:33 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Hollie Maea: Darrell Issa is a bad man.

Yes, but he's a good anal sphincter.


No, he's not even that.
Think about your anus: what you you expect it to do - at a minimum?  You want it to keep the shiat given to it by the rest of your digestive tract inside until it can be disposed of in a sanitary and non-offensive manner.

Darrell Issa on the other hand doesn't just process crap - he actively creates bullshiat.  And he doesn't get rid of it nicely either; he flings it onto every available surface to see what sticks; and of course it doesn't, so gravity just spreads it even more.

Darrell Issa can only be considered even an 'acceptable' anal sphincter if your comparison is one that has both continuous explosive diarrhea and continual fresh oil hitting it.
2013-06-18 10:41:18 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Animatronik: First they said it was a grunt in Cincinatti who acted alone, so the President' s ppl couldn't be involved,  Now they're saying , well ok it wasn't just some grunt in Cincinatti, senior IRS officials in Washington knew about it, but for some reason that makes White House involvement less likely, not more.

/Not buying it.
/ / This smells like milhous's dirty laundry, there's bound to be more stench coming

You meant to say "found out about it late in the game and immediately changed things so that it wouldn't continue"


No, he didn't. He meant to masturbate furiously on a public bus.
2013-06-18 10:28:36 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: except for all those groups targeted for their politics, which has been confirmed by the inspector general

as always, your commitment to ignorance in light of facts is impressive, udhq


Sorry, you are 100% objectively wrong on this one.

All of the groups supposedly "targeted" were, by law, completely non-political, and ALL had signed affidavits stating that they were in compliance with this requirement.

Any way you look at it, there were NO POLITICS to be targeted within these groups.  You may as well take a walk through the woods and cut down only the "liberal" trees.
2013-06-18 10:18:39 PM
1 votes:

ManRay: Trying to link all of these scandals to a political party or the top level of the Administration is totally missing the point. It's the Government overreaching, not the President. Even if he's the one orchestrating things the real issue is the fact that the Government was able to do these things in the first place.


Looking into political groups applying for a non-political tax exemption is overreach?

If I tried to make such a group called gobama4change should I be exempt from scrutiny?

Enlighten us.
2013-06-18 10:14:35 PM
1 votes:
Where are the fark independants to defend issa and call everyone obama shills?

I can't have all of them on ignore :p
2013-06-18 09:17:44 PM
1 votes:

impaler: FlashHarry: impaler: How long until Republicans flat out lying about White House involvement in scandals, and getting caught, turns into its own scandal?

they've already done it.

I know. And FTFA: ...Cummings had previously insisted Issa release the full transcript himself, arguing it would show that the Republican chairman's claims of White House involvement are false, and that Issa's own selective release of testimony was misleading the public. Issa refused, insisting that releasing full transcripts would damage the investigation.


Funny part is Issa was right. It did damage the investigation... By making it clear that there was nothing worth bothering to investigate.
2013-06-18 09:08:54 PM
1 votes:

djkutch: randomjsa: Liberals used to say that Cheney was the one really in charge and that he had to tell Bush what was going on.

That was a problem for them only because they seem to think its completely normal of that nobody knows what is going on, least of all the president.

Cleaned that up for you a little.

Liberals believed Cheney had strong influence over White House decisions. That may be based on his saying things like "Reagan proved deficits don't matter".



Hell, we liberals believed Cheney had a strong influence because that's how they sold the friggin' Bush-Cheney ticket in the 2000 election. "Gravitas" and all that.
2013-06-18 08:44:51 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't matter.  They've told the Big Lie enough that Independents believe it.  They got what they wanted.
2013-06-18 08:11:07 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: GodsTumor: Actually, it proves it not only originated with a low-level staffer, but the conservative manager of said staffer allowed it.  That's not sweeping shiat under the carpet, that's 1st hand evidence.

Moreover, Issa didn't want to release this.  They should open up an ethics violation case on Issa.

Exactly,  Issa just wanted to string this out as long as possible knowing he had jack-shiat.

yes, clearly the irs scandal is all issa's fault. if only he kept quiet.


He was the one that kept trying to connect it to the white house which turns out to be Bull Shiat.
Yes, he did keep quiet on what he knew which was the targeting was done by a low level conservative Republican in the IRS,
2013-06-18 07:50:44 PM
1 votes:
But just today someone else claimed this release(and this very link) meant Obama really had done it.

I mean, I knew he was full of shiat since I looked at the link, but goddamn, Republican shills sure to farking lie a lot.

I'm still trying to figure out the angst about the IRS giving extra scrutiny to groups who largely claim to be "taxed enough already" and take the widely known stance that "taxes are bad" as gospel truth is something scandal worthy.
2013-06-18 07:37:20 PM
1 votes:
If Obama had nothing to do with this, that is fine. I just want whoever did to be properly punished.
2013-06-18 07:34:17 PM
1 votes:
my main concern is that the GOP may have run out of scandals. Hide your vaginas, hide your health care reform, hide your separation of church & state, hide your reasonable tax rates.
2013-06-18 07:31:09 PM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: President Obama has been stellar on this issue.

It does look like there are some Washington, D.C., IRS people who need to be run out of government, though.

NPR does a nice job of showing just how screwed up that agency is.


So, the IRS is just like any entrenched bureaucracy, public or private. I'm shocked and amazed.
2013-06-18 07:17:52 PM
1 votes:
I am starting to think that Issa has been given his marching orders form someone high up in the GOP.
2013-06-18 07:03:57 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: Everyone has secrets. Obama's "high crime or misdemeanor" will come out soon enough.



Last I checked, Presidentin while Blah didn't fall under either category
2013-06-18 06:57:54 PM
1 votes:
Would it be inappropriate to shout "liar, liar, pants on fire," to Issa, or would he try to get an insurance payout on that too?
2013-06-18 06:51:35 PM
1 votes:
Darrell Issa is a bad man.
2013-06-18 06:50:03 PM
1 votes:
So, Issa went on Sunday morning talk shows and gave "misleading and incorrect information".

Will he now blame the White House for that too?
2013-06-18 06:00:18 PM
1 votes:
GOP - the Washington generals of US politics.
2013-06-18 05:22:46 PM
1 votes:
darrell issa can go fark himself.
 
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