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(Washington Post)   Indian court solves premarital sex issue, rules any couple sleeping together is married. Next up? Bigamy   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 67
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2013-06-18 05:42:45 PM
Indian givers
 
2013-06-18 06:40:39 PM
So does this make a serial rapist a polygamist?
 
2013-06-18 06:57:27 PM
(*sigh*)
(*starts to say something, but can't find the words*)
(*shakes head*)
 
2013-06-18 06:58:36 PM
Well, it simplifies the one-night stand: "Sorry baby, we can't cuddle and fall asleep after sex because we'll end up married."
 
2013-06-18 06:58:56 PM

Noctusxx: So does this make a serial rapist a polygamist?


no, only the first one. the rest of the girls are dirty unclean adulterers who must be put to death for shaming their families
 
2013-06-18 07:01:26 PM
It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".
 
2013-06-18 07:03:20 PM
lexfridman.com
 
2013-06-18 07:03:34 PM

Fark Me To Tears: (*sigh*)
(*starts to say something, but can't find the words*)
(*shakes head*)


Okay... Let's try this... With all the jobs and money we're sending to India, the men over there should be able to afford to pay alimony and child support in cases like this. For all their talk about following cultural traditions, apparently they're a bunch of hypocrites when it comes to sex and facing up to their responsibilities. This ruling, while unusual, should get their attention. Sh*it just got real, gentlemen of India.
 
2013-06-18 07:05:16 PM
Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.
 
2013-06-18 07:05:37 PM
Hmmm... I want more information on this before I call it.   Did the court imply that *any* sexual relationship, however brief, was a legal marriage contract.  I mean, if I get a five dollar hooker of the streets of New Delhi, can she sue me for alimony?  Or is this just applicable to longer term relationships?  If so, how long term does the relationship have to be?

The couple that the court ruled on had lived together for five years, and had two kids.  That's more commitment than I see from a lot of "married" couples.  I mean, it's really not that far off the general concept of a common law marriage.  (Which yes, I know, is an antiquated bit of law only still in force in a few places.)  One party might represent that they had in all but name lived as husband and wife, and were therefore entitled to the rights of same.
 
2013-06-18 07:12:43 PM
Next up? Bigamy?

I'm gonna hold out for trigonometry.
 
2013-06-18 07:17:42 PM

OgreMagi: It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".


My first thought reading the article was "how was their relationship any different than a common law marriage"?  But that court really opened itself up to abuse by failing to be realistic in defining such a marriage.

The article linked in the first paragraph of this story was amusing...

<i>"The court further said if necessary either party to a relationship could approach a Family Court for a declaration of marital status by supplying documentary proof for a sexual relationship."</i>

I wonder if the couple has to get it on inside the family court, or if a homemade porno would suffice?
 
2013-06-18 07:19:13 PM
Ive been married many. many times.
 
2013-06-18 07:21:20 PM
Um... they were common law. If India doesn't have a legal provision for common law marriage, they damn well should.
 
2013-06-18 07:22:37 PM
"Go on...."
 
2013-06-18 07:23:38 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: I mean, it's really not that far off the general concept of a common law marriage. (Which yes, I know, is an antiquated bit of law only still in force in a few places.)


The only reason common law marriage was taken off the books in most states was to keep gay couples from getting partner benefits.

/In GA it used to be live together and share household expenses for 18 months and you were married. Then the homophobes got involved.
 
2013-06-18 07:25:59 PM

skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.


I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed
 
2013-06-18 07:29:07 PM
OMFG!!!  I do! I DO !!! I Really, Really DO000oooo !!!!

/
Literally. Does.
 
2013-06-18 07:30:24 PM
Pffft, marriage of convinience.
 
2013-06-18 07:31:20 PM
My best friend is engaged to an Indian.  Just sent him this link in the hopes that we can skip the reception (best man speech).
 
2013-06-18 07:32:37 PM

OgreMagi: It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".


Common Law Marriage requires significant time before it becomes official, no?
 
2013-06-18 07:35:27 PM

ronaprhys: OgreMagi: It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".

Common Law Marriage requires significant time before it becomes official, no?


The case the Indian judge ruled on did occur over significant time.  The couple had two children together.  I don't think he was ruling that a one night stand seals your fate.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:14 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed


We require video evidence for a proper legal ruling.  Sorry, I don't make the rules.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:39 PM
Am I the only one here who doesn't think a couple has to have sex to love each other?
 
2013-06-18 07:37:48 PM
Until the 1930s, in Scotland, if a man induced a woman to have sex with him by promising marriage, the resulting act of having sex made them married.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:51 PM

Tom_Slick: DrunkWithImpotence: I mean, it's really not that far off the general concept of a common law marriage. (Which yes, I know, is an antiquated bit of law only still in force in a few places.)

The only reason common law marriage was taken off the books in most states was to keep gay couples from getting partner benefits.

/In GA it used to be live together and share household expenses for 18 months and you were married. Then the homophobes got involved.


It was, wow, there must have been some pretty progressive gays in the following states punched up with a quick trip to Professor Wiki-  "Common-law marriages can no longer be contracted in the following states, as of the dates given: Alaska (1917), Arizona (1913), California (1895), Florida (1968), Georgia (1997), Hawaii (1920), Idaho (1996), Illinois (1905), Indiana (1958), Kentucky (1852), Maine (1652, when it became part of Massachusetts; then a state, 1820), Massachusetts (1646), Michigan (1957), Minnesota (1941), Mississippi (1956), Missouri (1921), Nebraska (1923), Nevada (1943), New Mexico (1860), New Jersey (1939), New York (1933, also 1902-1908), North Dakota (1890), Ohio (1991), Oklahoma (Nov. 2010), Pennsylvania (2005), South Dakota (1959), and Wisconsin (1917)."

Maybe some states recently got around to doing it because of Gay Marriage, but the trend away from Common Law anything has been going on for a while. Statutory Law gives the government a lot more control.
 
2013-06-18 07:45:10 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: Tom_Slick: DrunkWithImpotence: I mean, it's really not that far off the general concept of a common law marriage. (Which yes, I know, is an antiquated bit of law only still in force in a few places.)

The only reason common law marriage was taken off the books in most states was to keep gay couples from getting partner benefits.

/In GA it used to be live together and share household expenses for 18 months and you were married. Then the homophobes got involved.

It was, wow, there must have been some pretty progressive gays in the following states punched up with a quick trip to Professor Wiki-  "Common-law marriages can no longer be contracted in the following states, as of the dates given: Alaska (1917), Arizona (1913), California (1895), Florida (1968), Georgia (1997), Hawaii (1920), Idaho (1996), Illinois (1905), Indiana (1958), Kentucky (1852), Maine (1652, when it became part of Massachusetts; then a state, 1820), Massachusetts (1646), Michigan (1957), Minnesota (1941), Mississippi (1956), Missouri (1921), Nebraska (1923), Nevada (1943), New Mexico (1860), New Jersey (1939), New York (1933, also 1902-1908), North Dakota (1890), Ohio (1991), Oklahoma (Nov. 2010), Pennsylvania (2005), South Dakota (1959), and Wisconsin (1917)."

Maybe some states recently got around to doing it because of Gay Marriage, but the trend away from Common Law anything has been going on for a while. Statutory Law gives the government a lot more control.


Wait, you mean that gold-digging harpy who's been living with my uncle for the last decade doesn't get the family house (on the quadruple lot of lakefront property)?  Does that change if he dies?

/It's been amazing to watch the crazy stress caused by her take the toll on him.
//Seriously, if I didn't know better, I'd say she was poisoning him.
 
2013-06-18 07:45:36 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: Maybe some states recently got around to doing it because of Gay Marriage, but the trend away from Common Law anything has been going on for a while. Statutory Law gives the government a lot more control.


In Georgia (1997) it certainly was about gay marriage, a college professor tried to claim common law spousal benefits for her partner.
 
2013-06-18 07:50:23 PM

OgreMagi: tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed

We require video evidence for a proper legal ruling.  Sorry, I don't make the rules.


LOL ; )
 
2013-06-18 07:55:15 PM
Yes, and it's big of me too. It's big of all of us! Let's be big for a change! I'm sick of these conventional marriages. One woman and one man was good enough for your grandmother, but who wants to marry your grandmother? Nobody. Not even your grandfather. Think of the honeymoon, strictly private. I wouldn't let another woman in on this. Well maybe one or two, but no men. I may not go myself.
 
2013-06-18 08:01:57 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed


Um, Mags?
Wouldn't that be a Very, Very Bad Idea(TM)?

/Sorry, no more cool song remake threads - back to filthy literdom / productivity.
 
2013-06-18 08:03:30 PM

Tom_Slick: DrunkWithImpotence: Maybe some states recently got around to doing it because of Gay Marriage, but the trend away from Common Law anything has been going on for a while. Statutory Law gives the government a lot more control.

In Georgia (1997) it certainly was about gay marriage, a college professor tried to claim common law spousal benefits for her partner.


Some of the more recent ones probably were influenced by the whole gay marriage thing.  Just going by dates, GA, OK, and PA look especially like that, since they all date after the MA court ruling that allowed same sex marriage.  My issue was just that you said "most", and three states out of twenty six states hardly qualifies.  It distorts the truth because it implies a recent trend to shut a "legal backdoor" (heh heh) for gay marriages which in most cases does not actually appear to be correct.
 
2013-06-18 08:03:41 PM
Neenu ninnu premisthunannu, meeru andaga vunnaru desi gurl, with the kutti pooku.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:21 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed

Um, Mags?
Wouldn't that be a Very, Very Bad Idea(TM)?

/Sorry, no more cool song remake threads - back to filthy literdom / productivity.


Well probably I did see her out at "the" bar about 10 years ago she was hot as hell, and I just well chickened out, but now no clue.
And do you want lack of productivity again?
/I'm giving you a choice here ; )
 
2013-06-18 08:12:12 PM
www.9gag.com.my

What if you just have suprise sex on a bus, with multiple guys? Married then? Maybe that's how they roll in Kerala.
 
2013-06-18 08:12:45 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed

Um, Mags?
Wouldn't that be a Very, Very Bad Idea(TM)?

/Sorry, no more cool song remake threads - back to filthy literdom / productivity.

Well probably I did see her out at "the" bar about 10 years ago she was hot as hell, and I just well chickened out, but now no clue.
And do you want lack of productivity again?
/I'm giving you a choice here ; )


Tempting. Very, very tempting. I love the music threads, and TFD has some decent and funny people who rarely appear out here ...

/I leave the decision in your capable hands.
//Kidettes are at camp.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:03 PM
Common-law marriage in the US typically requires that the couple hold themselves out as being married. While it may once have been, it is definitely not safe to assume a couple living together today are married. No one is gonna accidentally get common-law married in the US. India that sounds like what happened.

Does India have a mechanism for child support out of wedlock? If not that probably explains what happened in the case...
 
2013-06-18 08:14:37 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: skinink: Two guys sleeping together = automatically married! India is so progressive.

I guess by India's standard I am gay married then, I guess I should look her up and let her know :/
/Strange days indeed

Um, Mags?
Wouldn't that be a Very, Very Bad Idea(TM)?

/Sorry, no more cool song remake threads - back to filthy literdom / productivity.

Well probably I did see her out at "the" bar about 10 years ago she was hot as hell, and I just well chickened out, but now no clue.
And do you want lack of productivity again?
/I'm giving you a choice here ; )

Tempting. Very, very tempting. I love the music threads, and TFD has some decent and funny people who rarely appear out here ...

/I leave the decision in your capable hands.
//Kidettes are at camp.


Well you asked for it ; )
 
2013-06-18 08:15:29 PM
Have fun ; )
 
2013-06-18 08:15:33 PM
So when a married couple stops having sex, are they divorced?
 
2013-06-18 08:20:49 PM
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Grab a man, while you can

gagnamite.com
 
2013-06-18 08:21:42 PM

namegoeshere: So when a married couple stops having sex with each other, are they divorced?


FTFY
 
2013-06-18 08:23:51 PM

plushpuppy: Ive been married many. many times.


Your right hand doesn't count.
 
2013-06-18 08:33:02 PM

OgreMagi: It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".


Not "many" States; nine still provide for common law marriages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law_marriage#United_States

Both parties must choose to be considered married. It is not a status that can be imposed by the State, as this judge appears to be doing.

OTOH, it may be that this couple did  choose to be considered married and behaved so for five years.  Then they split up and now the man is trying to pretend the common law marriage never happened.
 
2013-06-18 08:46:07 PM

Resolute: OgreMagi:
<i>"The court further said if necessary either party to a relationship could approach a Family Court for a declaration of marital status by supplying documentary proof for a sexual relationship."</i>

I wonder if the couple has to get it on inside the family court, or if a homemade porno would suffice?


What exactly constitutes documentary proof? A used condom submitted as evidence and the proper paperwork on it was submitted in a timely manner?
 
2013-06-18 08:48:58 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Have fun ; )


Thanks. Check TFD.
/Couldn't find a link to the right song.
 
2013-06-18 08:50:01 PM

Resolute: OgreMagi:

<i>"The court further said if necessary either party to a relationship could approach a Family Court for a declaration of marital status by supplying documentary proof for a sexual relationship."</i>

I wonder if the couple has to get it on inside the family court, or if a homemade porno would suffice?


What exactly constitutes documentary proof? A used condom submitted as evidence and the proper paperwork on it was submitted in a timely manner?
 
2013-06-18 08:53:35 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: Have fun ; )

Thanks. Check TFD.
/Couldn't find a link to the right song.


Cool will do : )
/So very bored today and working on getting drunk ; )
 
2013-06-18 08:54:51 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: demaL-demaL-yeH: tinfoil-hat maggie: Have fun ; )

Thanks. Check TFD.
/Couldn't find a link to the right song.

Cool will do : )
/So very bored today and working on getting drunk ; )


You're fun when you're drunk!
 
2013-06-18 08:55:15 PM

OgreMagi: It seems to me the judge ruled in a manner similar to many states in the U.S.  If you live together as husband and wife, then you are married.  The ceremony is merely a social convention and not a requirement.  See "Common Law Marriage".


Dead bang.  Came her to say exactly that.  This is basic common law marriage jurisprudence... The key isn't sex but sex+ living together + having kids together
 
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