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2013-06-18 07:34:21 PM
Of course they stop the terrorist attacks thay would affect rich people.
 
2013-06-18 07:34:48 PM
Know what's really pathetic?

Sheeple are still believing this load of hooey.

The term "false flag" has been in my vocabulary for the past, oh, 10 years or so.
 
2013-06-18 07:34:56 PM
That. Stupid phone.
 
2013-06-18 07:35:08 PM

Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.


They are in Gitmo mayhaps?
 
2013-06-18 07:35:35 PM
c'mon guys, dirty bomb! mushroom cloud over NY!
why isn't this working anymore??
 
2013-06-18 07:36:03 PM
The first rule of Project Mayhem is...
 
2013-06-18 07:41:28 PM

Pocket Ninja: I suspect that "potential terrorist attacks" are calculated almost exactly like the "street value" of marijuana and other drugs seized during high-profile police raids.


I suspect they're the "potential terrorist attacks" where some taxi driver with zero connections says he hates America, so the FBI spends a year convincing him to join an imaginary terrorist cell. Then when he does, they bust him and issue a press release announcing the arrest of Al Qaida's No. 2 commander.
 
2013-06-18 07:44:48 PM

Rug Doctor: Pocket Ninja: I suspect that "potential terrorist attacks" are calculated almost exactly like the "street value" of marijuana and other drugs seized during high-profile police raids.

I suspect they're the "potential terrorist attacks" where some taxi driver with zero connections says he hates America, so the FBI spends a year convincing him to join an imaginary terrorist cell. Then when he does, they bust him and issue a press release announcing the arrest of Al Qaida's No. 2 commander.


They blocked 50 downloads of the Anarchist's Cookbook. To them, that's a foiled terrorist plot.
 
2013-06-18 07:50:00 PM
Even if this isn't post NSA scandal spin, why are American citizens keen on blowing up their own five star bookie joint?
 
2013-06-18 07:52:28 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: By the time this is over, it'll be a thousand acts of terror thwarted, all wiretapping by the government is legal, and anyone who questions the figures will be "unpatriotic".


Nah, Bush left office in '08.
 
2013-06-18 07:52:37 PM
Turns out this "terror" plot was just some OWS moron planning to take a dump on the sidewalk in front of the exchange. Excuse me if I'm not impressed.
 
2013-06-18 07:54:06 PM

The Southern Dandy: Yeah yeah yeah.  Snooping saved us all, and it was ONLY snooping that saved.  It is the miracle cure for terrorism. Without it, we'd all be dead.

For years, we've heard cops say, "If only we could wire tap this guy, or lock up that guy without a warrant, it would make our job easier", but they couldn't do that because it is a violation of the constitution.  Cops have had to live with constitutional restrictions for 222 years.  The NSA is no different.  And saying it was a panacea that saved us all from destruction is 1) bullshiat, and 2) not a valid reason to subvert the constitution.


Totally, completely agreed.
 
2013-06-18 07:54:16 PM

HeartBurnKid: Benevolent Misanthrope: By the time this is over, it'll be a thousand acts of terror thwarted, all wiretapping by the government is legal, and anyone who questions the figures will be "unpatriotic".

Nah, Bush left office in '08.


No, January 20, 2009.

/I kept track.
 
2013-06-18 07:54:55 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Turns out this "terror" plot was just some OWS moron planning to take a dump on the sidewalk in front of the exchange. Excuse me if I'm not impressed.


I don't know about OWS scat but NYC has a serious dog shiat problem, it's like picking it up is an alien concept to them.
 
2013-06-18 07:56:15 PM

Isitoveryet: Debeo Summa Credo: Turns out this "terror" plot was just some OWS moron planning to take a dump on the sidewalk in front of the exchange. Excuse me if I'm not impressed.

I don't know about OWS scat but NYC has a serious dog shiat problem, it's like picking it up is an alien concept to them.


Honestly, it's one of the best things about leaving new york.
 
2013-06-18 07:56:18 PM
Is Subby this guy?
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2013-06-18 07:57:54 PM
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
 
2013-06-18 08:00:50 PM
Sept 16th, 1920.

www.fbi.gov

/note to NSA this is on the FBI website.
//Canadian Citizen, like that matters.
 
2013-06-18 08:01:09 PM
This is not a repeat from 1920.
 
2013-06-18 08:01:42 PM
I don't get how this is "News", hasn't everyone always thought they were doing this? Hoover did far worse during the 5 decades he ran the FBI, he had investigations and wire taps on everyone. Look up some of the now declassified reports like the FBI investigations on Martin Luther King and John Lennon or the investigation of the song Louis Louis!
 
2013-06-18 08:06:06 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Turns out this "terror" plot was just some OWS moron planning to take a dump on the sidewalk in front of the exchange. Excuse me if I'm not impressed.


You never would have noticed for all the piles of Police horse shiat outside the exchange. The place was impassable and smelled like shiat for months.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sure

/sure it did


Of course they're completely honest about this.  They would never lie to make their case sound legitimate.  The government is completely honest about everything all the time.  In fact they're so honest they're going to sell us some ocean front property in Arizona next week.
 
2013-06-18 08:10:45 PM
I just love their expressions,,

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They all have the "was that wrong? should I not have done that?" look
 
2013-06-18 08:11:24 PM
At this point, I'm rooting for the bombers. They have a legitimate gripe.
 
2013-06-18 08:11:56 PM
FBI says snooping preven
 
2013-06-18 08:17:50 PM

tinyarena: I just love their expressions,,

[img.fark.net image 800x273]

They all have the "was that wrong? should I not have done that?" look


Just like Dick Cheney, after you spend so much time alive on the planet you eventually break the barrier of "sociopath". At that point you shouldn't be in charge of anything.
 
2013-06-18 08:18:50 PM

Wayne 985: I'm dying to know what opponents of this NSA programs think the administration got out of this aside from legitimate defense. They weren't even listening to calls; they were looking at records. It's like if they kept records of the addresses on your envelopes, but didn't open the letters. I'm baffled as to what nefarious activity people think they could have been up to.


Circumstantial evidence.  It's not so much about targeting an individual as it is a very lazy and political approach to investigation, the most common result of which is finding a convenient scapegoat.  If their overall approach follows the same sort of complete lack of ethics in favor of expediency then we're all in a shiatload of trouble because now you only need to call the wrong number at the wrong time to become a suspect.  Likely to happen, no, but this is something the government has absolutely no business putting their own citizens at risk if only because it's so inherently unproductive -- you're a million times more likely to snag the wrong guy because you're specifically requesting info that's like 99.99999999% noise.  It's the sort of shiat you probably don't care about, figuring it could never happen to you, right up until you're that unlucky guy -- at which point every day of the rest of your life is a nightmare.  But even if you think you're safe, this should be considered completely unacceptable just as a pure waste of tax dollars.  OK, so they only got the records?  Well hell, that's even MORE obvious this is a pile of bullshiat -- they're collecting only the most basic info on a massive amount of communication traffic with absolutely no justifiable reason.  Not that being more invasive is a good thing, but it's telling that they didn't want a targeted search (which really wouldn't be hard to arrange with the phone companies -- but it might require, you know, a warrant), they wanted everything.

At my job, I have access to server logs to approximately a quarter of the world's commerical web traffic.  When one of my employer's clients requests an investigation (and they do) the first things we do are 1) qualify the requestor as someone privy to the info, and 2) confirm specific information about what time, what site, etc.  Security is a concern but mainly there's simply too much to go through otherwise and someone deserving of the info will at least have an idea of what they want investigated (e.g., "we suffered at DDoS attack at 8:00 GMT on this URL").  If you ask for access to everything, your intentions can only be nefarious -- that means you have no farking clue what you're doing so you're going to request a huge farking base on info (almost all of which you have no business looking at) from which almost any sort of pattern can be extrapolated by ignoring everything else because that's literally all that info is good for.
 
2013-06-18 08:27:27 PM
Which amendment was the "Ends justify the means" one?
 
2013-06-18 08:34:00 PM
And my cat has kept elephants from attacking my house too.
 
2013-06-18 08:34:46 PM

fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.


That was my first thought as well. First "number" I heard was several, then it was a dozen, then 20, then 50. I'd be really curious to know how many (if any) of the supposed cases were solely dependent on the spying.
 
2013-06-18 08:37:28 PM

Sunidesus: fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.

That was my first thought as well. First "number" I heard was several, then it was a dozen, then 20, then 50. I'd be really curious to know how many (if any) of the supposed cases were solely dependent on the spying.


Nice touch, though, throwing in Wall Street.  That'll at least get them the support of the bankers, which is how committee votes are bought.  Next it'll be oil pipelines, mark my words.
 
2013-06-18 08:37:37 PM

jiggs: Which amendment was the "Ends justify the means" one?


The Patriot act you unpatriotic traitor who does not trust glorious leader.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:36 PM
I love the arguments "but Bush did it first"...SO FLIPPING WHAT?!?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Bush was wrong, so is this administration.

Don't get so entrenched in defending 'your guy' that you throw your morals out the window.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:57 PM

Sunidesus: fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.

That was my first thought as well. First "number" I heard was several, then it was a dozen, then 20, then 50. I'd be really curious to know how many (if any) of the supposed cases were solely dependent on the spying.


Hey now, it takes some time to talk a patsy into taking possession of your fake bomb so you can arrest them for it. They are going as fast as they can to inflate their numbers to make this "seem reasonable."

/just glad the partisan shills are finally shutting the fark up
//this thread has been a breath of fresh air actually
 
2013-06-18 08:40:08 PM
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Wall Street?  PROTECTED.

Main Street?  YOUR FAULT FOR NOT BEING JOB CREATORS.
 
2013-06-18 08:41:20 PM

Wayne 985: I'm dying to know what opponents of this NSA programs think the administration got out of this aside from legitimate defense. They weren't even listening to calls; they were looking at records. It's like if they kept records of the addresses on your envelopes, but didn't open the letters. I'm baffled as to what nefarious activity people think they could have been up to.


Assuming for the moment you are sincere when you say you're "dying to know what they got."  Let me explain some current Information Technology terms.

Metadata:  an massive relational index of information
Cloud Computing:  sharing a complex program's task across many servers, effective for  'brute force' programming
Natural Language Algorithm: A program that teaches itself the relationship and meaning of communications

There is no human being snooping on you.  There is an army of lighting fast, semi-intelligent machines snooping on us all.

/mahalo
 
2013-06-18 08:42:28 PM
HAHA LINK FAIL.

Good jorb, Submittard, linking to a page that gets changed in every few minutes instead of linking the article, good jorb, Modmittards, on approvig it!
/I mean I've got nothing to add
//except maybe a Link?
 
2013-06-18 08:44:49 PM
Sorry... all this is old-think... the people who destroy Wall Street for billions of dollars of damage are at BoA and companies like it... a bomb might do a little damage, a couple million bucks worth... but we're ignoring the big threats so we can deal with the small fish. Business, in the form of fertilizer, chemical storage, and banking, has killed far more people and cost far more money than terrorism has over the last decade in the US. We're dealing with the threats we can beat because nobody wants to talk about how our capital system has run so amok.
 
2013-06-18 08:46:08 PM
so now there are going to be counter survellance measures put in. People here will start to learn to speak in code and disguise their IP addresses. measures taken in police states.
 
2013-06-18 08:50:16 PM

tinyarena: I just love their expressions,, [img.fark.net image 800x273] They all have the "was that wrong? should I not have done that?" look


That's not Feinstein's look.  She would NEVER admit anything she did was wrong.  That look is "how dare you question your betters, peasant!"

/I can't stand that c00nt
 
2013-06-18 08:51:08 PM
Yep, lets put the hurt on the entity that only houses most of our retirements and pensions.  That will show them.

*sigh*
 
2013-06-18 08:52:04 PM

weltallica: Wall Street?  PROTECTED.

Main Street?  YOUR FAULT FOR NOT BEING JOB CREATORS.



Far be it from moi to piss on anybody's petunia patch, but um.. the elitist swine ARE the terr'ists, and they have won and are eating  out of your fridge.
 
2013-06-18 08:55:23 PM

OgreMagi: That's not Feinstein's look. She would NEVER admit anything she did was wrong. That look is "how dare you question your betters, peasant!"


It would be nice if her career came full-circle.
 
2013-06-18 08:57:24 PM

umad: Hey now, it takes some time to talk a patsy into taking possession of your fake bomb so you can arrest them for it. They are going as fast as they can to inflate their numbers to make this "seem reasonable."


Read this:

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if you want to be thoroughly disgusted by the tactics the FBI is using in their stings.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:48 PM

jiggs: Which amendment was the "Ends justify the means" one?


Amendment Zed, the super double secret amendment only available to certain sectors of the government. Interestingly enough, it was written on psychic paper so it says whatever the person using it needs it to say. Quite convenient, really.
 
2013-06-18 09:07:59 PM
+1 Subby.
 
2013-06-18 09:09:04 PM
Paranoia strikes deep, Into your life it will creep.
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2013-06-18 09:10:51 PM

HighOnCraic: I was kidnapped once. I was standing in front of my schoolyard, and a black sedan pulls up. And two guys get out, and they say to me, do I wanna go away with them to a land, where everybody is fairies and elves, and I can have all the comic books I want and chocolate and wax lips, you know. And I said "yes", y'know, and I got into the car with them, 'cause I figured, y'know, "What the hell", I was home that week-end from college anyhow, y'know. They drive me off, and they sent a ransom note to my parents. And my father has bad reading habits, so he gets into bed at night with the ransom note, and he read half of it, y'know, and he got drowsy and fell asleep, then he lent it out, y'know.
Meanwhile they take me to New Jersey, bound and gagged, and my parents finally realize that I'm kidnapped. They snap into action immediately: they rent out my room. The ransom note says for my father to leave a thousand dollars in a hollow tree in New Jersey. He has no trouble raising the thousand dollars, but he gets a hernia carrying the hollow tree.
The FBI surround the house, "Throw the kid out,", they say, "give us your guns, and come out with your hands up."
The kidnappers say, "We'll throw the kid out, but let us keep our guns, and get to our car."
The FBI says, "Throw the kid out, we'll let you get to your car, but give us your guns."
The kidnappers say, "We'll throw the kid out, but let us keep our guns - we don't have to get to our car."
The FBI says, "Keep the kid."


... detachable penis ...
 
2013-06-18 09:12:30 PM

Delay: I don't want bombs killing anyone on any street. However, American Democracy thrives on validation. If the NSA snooping stopped any plots, let's hear about it. Let's hear about the. Now.

Why not tell all? None of banksters identified as crooks have been indicted for their obvious wrong-doing that caused the great recession that has left millions unemployed through no fault of their own. So, it's unlikely you will indict any of the plotters. Come on, you bureaucratic farkers, you say it's our country that you are attempting to save, it's time to show your cards, Exactly, how have you been saving us?


Sorry, but you're an idiot.  Google Cioffi and Tannin.  Indicted and acquitted by a jury of their peers.
 
2013-06-18 09:14:26 PM
Do not care.  I would rather have a 9/11 repeated every farking year than to have the government spying on us.
 
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