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2013-06-18 03:04:56 PM  
I'm sure the pervasive surveillance in the old Soviet Union and in Nazi Germany prevented many "terrorist" attacks there also.
 
2013-06-18 03:11:07 PM  
Yeah, I'm not sure that's even the point.
 
2013-06-18 03:19:47 PM  
They say that like it's a good thing.
 
2013-06-18 03:23:22 PM  
Yeah, because the janitor that cleans the place TOTALLY deserves to die, right?
 
2013-06-18 03:23:30 PM  
Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.
 
2013-06-18 03:24:18 PM  
I was kidnapped once. I was standing in front of my schoolyard, and a black sedan pulls up. And two guys get out, and they say to me, do I wanna go away with them to a land, where everybody is fairies and elves, and I can have all the comic books I want and chocolate and wax lips, you know. And I said "yes", y'know, and I got into the car with them, 'cause I figured, y'know, "What the hell", I was home that week-end from college anyhow, y'know. They drive me off, and they sent a ransom note to my parents. And my father has bad reading habits, so he gets into bed at night with the ransom note, and he read half of it, y'know, and he got drowsy and fell asleep, then he lent it out, y'know.
Meanwhile they take me to New Jersey, bound and gagged, and my parents finally realize that I'm kidnapped. They snap into action immediately: they rent out my room. The ransom note says for my father to leave a thousand dollars in a hollow tree in New Jersey. He has no trouble raising the thousand dollars, but he gets a hernia carrying the hollow tree.
The FBI surround the house, "Throw the kid out,", they say, "give us your guns, and come out with your hands up."
The kidnappers say, "We'll throw the kid out, but let us keep our guns, and get to our car."
The FBI says, "Throw the kid out, we'll let you get to your car, but give us your guns."
The kidnappers say, "We'll throw the kid out, but let us keep our guns - we don't have to get to our car."
The FBI says, "Keep the kid."
 
2013-06-18 04:04:39 PM  
So if we've been recording calls why can't the DOJ listen in and find the evidence they need to prosecute banksters?
 
2013-06-18 05:11:04 PM  
Sure

/sure it did
 
2013-06-18 05:19:06 PM  
Oh, well, in that case, feel free to gather as much private information as you like.

As long as you're keeping us SAFE then why should we care if we don't have any privacy anymore?
 
2013-06-18 05:26:26 PM  
I totally believe for absolutely for reals that the administration would TOTALLY have not run such a thing up a flag pole as proof of concept and proof they're tough on terror. Yup. I completely and totally believe it.
 
2013-06-18 05:43:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Oh, well, in that case, feel free to gather as much private information as you like.

As long as you're keeping us SAFE then why should we care if we don't have any privacy anymore?


Don't get me wrong. As a New Yorker with a husband who works in the Financial District stories like this make me quite nervous.

But I'm far more scared of government invasion of privacy.
 
2013-06-18 05:48:57 PM  
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2013-06-18 05:53:20 PM  
Jumpyoufu(kers.jpg
 
2013-06-18 05:57:09 PM  

basemetal:


Darn you. Darn you to heck!
 
2013-06-18 06:01:08 PM  

basemetal: [i369.photobucket.com image 500x339]


If only.

www.property-report.com
 
2013-06-18 06:34:22 PM  
testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 06:46:54 PM  

Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.


It's all a plot.  And you will be going to the FEMA reeducation camp tomorrow.
 
2013-06-18 06:52:17 PM  
I suspect that "potential terrorist attacks" are calculated almost exactly like the "street value" of marijuana and other drugs seized during high-profile police raids.
 
2013-06-18 07:01:07 PM  
Maybe they got a bomb that makes illegal trades.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:05:42 PM  
I remember a Reagan press conference* where he dropped a prepared statement into an answer boasting of how many terror attacks his administration prevented. The audience acted suitably impressed, but I never heard any followup details.

Air to air kills in WW2 are a well known example of good faith overestimation of ones own prowess.

* Must be press conference because his State of the Union transcripts don't have it.
 
2013-06-18 07:05:56 PM  
Protecting Wall Street at the expense of a blue-collar city like Boston?  That is so like this administration.
 
2013-06-18 07:07:18 PM  

Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.


My first thought also.
 
2013-06-18 07:07:22 PM  
Yeah riiiiight.

The FBI would have stopped all those Jeeps from being recallled

Along with them curing cancer and capturing the Loch Ness Monster.
 
2013-06-18 07:07:47 PM  

whither_apophis: So if we've been recording calls why can't the DOJ listen in and find the evidence they need to prosecute banksters?


They already have the evidence, Holder just doesn't give a sh*t.  Which is why he needs to be rotting in prison next to all his narco-banker buddies
 
2013-06-18 07:09:38 PM  
Anecdotally one Illegal action caused a positive outcome. Logical conclusion: all such illegal actions are now permitted.
 
2013-06-18 07:11:43 PM  
explode you f*ckers.
 
2013-06-18 07:12:21 PM  
Wait, the FBI is sharing data with the NSA? I hope they realize that's a scandal in and of itself.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:12:48 PM  

whither_apophis: So if we've been recording calls why can't the DOJ listen in and find the evidence they need to prosecute banksters?


They have better lobbyists than terrorists.
 
2013-06-18 07:13:12 PM  
I don't care if it prevented one million bomb plots, you can't crumble up the Constitution and throw it in the trash because you don't agree with it. 4th amendment motherf*ckers. Read it, learn it, live it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:13:32 PM  

IrateShadow: Protecting Wall Street at the expense of a blue-collar city like Boston?  That is so like this administration.


So like every administration since 1980.  Come on...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:14:36 PM  

fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.


Getting that hippie that was going to hold up a sign... that counts!
 
2013-06-18 07:16:44 PM  
The 2008 stock market crash doesn't count as a bomb. Neither does Uwe Boll's "Assault on Wall Street" or the trailer of Rainbow Six: Patriots.
 
2013-06-18 07:16:44 PM  

Walker: I don't care if it prevented one million bomb plots, you can't crumble up the Constitution and throw it in the trash because you don't agree with it. 4th amendment motherf*ckers. Read it, learn it, live it.


When you talk about guns that way your a gun loving fetishist with a small penis.
 
2013-06-18 07:16:50 PM  

Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.


fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.


My first thought was, "Proof?"

By the time this is over, it'll be a thousand acts of terror thwarted, all wiretapping by the government is legal, and anyone who questions the figures will be "unpatriotic".

Seriously, US - is no one down there paying attention?
 
2013-06-18 07:18:12 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.

fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.

My first thought was, "Proof?"

By the time this is over, it'll be a thousand acts of terror thwarted, all wiretapping by the government is legal, and anyone who questions the figures will be "unpatriotic".

Seriously, US - is no one down there paying attention?


A lot of us are and are calling BS on this. We also think the Bush administration did the same crap.
 
2013-06-18 07:20:05 PM  
I'm dying to know what opponents of this NSA programs think the administration got out of this aside from legitimate defense. They weren't even listening to calls; they were looking at records. It's like if they kept records of the addresses on your envelopes, but didn't open the letters. I'm baffled as to what nefarious activity people think they could have been up to.
 
2013-06-18 07:20:31 PM  
You know, you can have two parties that disagree about the right core axioms to base the creation of laws on. They can argue about whether stimulation of business or a stronger social safety net is more effective for governance. These can be honest debates, even if both sides find the other frustrating.

But we can't stand for a party in this country that believes the most basic rules set down in the Constitution are irrelevant in the day to day operation of the government. We can't stand for a party that believes that constant, persistent surveillance of the citizens of this country is a good thing.

Looked at this way, the party lines shift quite strongly. Who would have thought a strong liberal like Al Franken would find himself on the anti-freedom side of the aisle? And it's almost no surprise at all that arch-conservative Rand Paul finds himself on the side of freedom.

There was once an attempt to purge Communists from government. We need a new purge. This isn't an false threat like McCarthy had latched onto. We the People are clearly under attack by un-American leaders who have not only failed to protect our freedoms but have gleefully destroyed them. These politicians must be removed in the next election, if not recalled and impeached immediately.
 
2013-06-18 07:22:09 PM  
and keeping us all locked in little individual cells would prevent all crime entirely.

nothing you can say will justify what you've done.
 
2013-06-18 07:22:45 PM  
Thanks to a series of road barriers, and an unending surveillance state, never again will the New York Stock Exchange have to worry about terrorists detonating a horse-cart full of explosives next to the building's thick marble walls, killing dozens of people on the street but disrupting trading inside for only a few hours.

Take THAT, Galleanists still upset about the arrests of Sacco and Vanzetti!
 
2013-06-18 07:23:08 PM  
FALSE FLAG
 
2013-06-18 07:23:16 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Benevolent Misanthrope: Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.

fusillade762: testified that the programs helped stop more than 50 "potential terrorist events" since the 9/11 attacks.

Yesterday it was 20. I'm betting by the end of the week it'll be up to a thousand.

My first thought was, "Proof?"

By the time this is over, it'll be a thousand acts of terror thwarted, all wiretapping by the government is legal, and anyone who questions the figures will be "unpatriotic".

Seriously, US - is no one down there paying attention?

A lot of us are and are calling BS on this. We also think the Bush administration did the same crap.


And also got away with it, resulting in the USA-PATRIOT Act, two wars, thousands of your citizens dead along with many, many more innocent people, and trillions of dollars wasted while your infrastructure crumbled and your schools failed.

It seems no one down there is going to stop it from happening again.  Seriously - you guys need to pay attention.  This is another giant step in the wrong farking direction.  Though I have no idea how you stop the monster you've created (over the last 100 years), at this point.
 
2013-06-18 07:23:22 PM  

dittybopper: I'm sure the pervasive surveillance in the old Soviet Union and in Nazi Germany prevented many "terrorist" attacks there also.


This.

Relatively Obscure: Yeah, I'm not sure that's even the point.


And this as well
 
2013-06-18 07:26:54 PM  
I don't want bombs killing anyone on any street. However, American Democracy thrives on validation. If the NSA snooping stopped any plots, let's hear about it. Let's hear about the. Now.

Why not tell all? None of banksters identified as crooks have been indicted for their obvious wrong-doing that caused the great recession that has left millions unemployed through no fault of their own. So, it's unlikely you will indict any of the plotters. Come on, you bureaucratic farkers, you say it's our country that you are attempting to save, it's time to show your cards, Exactly, how have you been saving us?
 
2013-06-18 07:28:35 PM  
Even more interestingly, the surveillance was of overseas communications and the plotters were lured to the United States.

And that was their best example of a success from this program.


/DIRNSA, you oathbreaking piece of Fritz, the NSA does not need to monitor US-internal communications.
//Get a farking warrant, you lazy assholes.
 
2013-06-18 07:28:39 PM  

Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.


Yeah, really. It's so easy to say this in retrospect. Hell, it's a good thing that hot blonde slept with me last month. It totally prevented a terrorist attack.
 
2013-06-18 07:30:54 PM  

Tommy Moo: Aarontology: Amazing how we didn't hear about any foiled plots, or had any trials for those committing them, or anything at all that would verify their story.

Yeah, really. It's so easy to say this in retrospect. Hell, it's a good thing that hot blonde slept with me last month. It totally prevented a terrorist attack.


I demand proof of your story!
 
2013-06-18 07:32:32 PM  

dittybopper: I'm sure the pervasive surveillance in the old Soviet Union and in Nazi Germany prevented many "terrorist" attacks there also.

 
2013-06-18 07:32:49 PM  
They count a kid with a pop tart as terrorists, so I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt.
 
2013-06-18 07:33:18 PM  
Yeah yeah yeah.  Snooping saved us all, and it was ONLY snooping that saved.  It is the miracle cure for terrorism. Without it, we'd all be dead.

For years, we've heard cops say, "If only we could wire tap this guy, or lock up that guy without a warrant, it would make our job easier", but they couldn't do that because it is a violation of the constitution.  Cops have had to live with constitutional restrictions for 222 years.  The NSA is no different.  And saying it was a panacea that saved us all from destruction is 1) bullshiat, and 2) not a valid reason to subvert the constitution.
 
2013-06-18 07:33:22 PM  

Wayne 985: I'm dying to know what opponents of this NSA programs think the administration got out of this aside from legitimate defense. They weren't even listening to calls; they were looking at records. It's like if they kept records of the addresses on your envelopes, but didn't open the letters. I'm baffled as to what nefarious activity people think they could have been up to.


I think it's like the Facebook model.  They don't really care about the content of what you post.  They want your relationships: who you're friends with, where you shop, etc.  It's scary how much can be gleaned about your life just knowing a few of your friends.
 
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