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2013-06-18 08:33:46 PM  

Mija: In the U.S. we spend more on healthcare than any other country yet only a portion of citizens have coverage. The others die or become bankrupt.


I know a number of poor people who have had very expensive procedures over the years.

They are all very much alive and the money that was spent on them is gone forever.

NTTAWWT
 
2013-06-18 08:34:23 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have two months of vacation and health insurance, and I hate my farking job.

FWIW.


You sound teach-y.

/Id probably hate that job too.
 
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2013-06-18 08:34:57 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.


No it's not.  It's time to put reforms back in so "one man one vote" means something.  I couldn't care less if people are billionares.  What I really care about is that billionare's word to his senator means a million more than mine does.
 
2013-06-18 08:35:18 PM  
You get what you pay for.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:46 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


It is the plutocracy owned corporate media that is forwarding that agenda.  If the masses werent so successfully entertained and distracted we might actually do something about it.

/gotta go prime time line up is starting
//actually I wouldnt have as much a problem with accepting our kibbles and bits if we could get along with each other better
 
2013-06-18 08:39:22 PM  

Mija: You are just making excuses because you are a horrible, evil person. Stop arguing and just admit that because no rational, decent human being would agree with you. You have no basis to preach about morals. You don't have any.


lolwut?   What post are you responding to?   I said nothing about people not deserving basic food and shelter. That was a very bizarre rant you just put yourself through.  Relax, take a breath.  Or take your meds, or something.  ;)
 
2013-06-18 08:40:59 PM  

d23: Debeo Summa Credo: No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.

No it's not.  It's time to put reforms back in so "one man one vote" means something.  I couldn't care less if people are billionares.  What I really care about is that billionare's word to his senator means a million more than mine .


You ain't seen the new ballot?

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2013-06-18 08:42:39 PM  

d23: Lunchlady: I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.

With respect, how?  The corporations aren't going to provide employment to the unwashed masses anymore.  Not in this country, anyway.  We still dump billions of dollars on corporations every year with that basic belief in mind.


Oh I'd can corporate tax breaks in a second. We pay farms to plow over crops, we pay them to burn their corn for fuel, we pay oil companies for the privilege of seeing the oil sold overseas, we pay Boeing to outsource their parts manufacturing, we trip over ourselves for tax breaks to companies that will leave the moment they expire, it's a joke.

What I had in mind is picking an arbitrary number to institute a humongous estate tax and what happens is it punishes people who leave a mid-sized plumbing company to their kids. It's surprising to most people how many small businesses are worth over $1 million when you start adding in things like vehicles, buildings, liquid assets, combined with savings and funds left to children. That doesn't do anything to a company like Exxon but for some small companies it means they would have to liquidate when the original owner died.

A better solution would be to have a huge campaign to target people who hide their money in offshore accounts instead of pay the taxes they owe.
 
2013-06-18 08:45:57 PM  

Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.


your name is appropriate.  Businesses are hiring more people at less hours in order to creep under the 25 hour limit put up by obamacare.  In my old store(retail hell) we had 12 people, all of whom knew their job and kicked butt when we needed to, saving the company time and money from training new employees, while also having relatively decent healthcare.  Fast forward to now: different store, same size, 3 times as many employees due to the limit on hours, which means they can deny any form of healthcare.  We go through new hires on a weekly basis.  The skills we need are in demand, but the lack of job-ownership is creating a void in the industry when it comes to employees who give a damn.  At any point in my day I can look around and see 2/3 of the workforce screwing around on their phones, ignoring customers and killing business.  I've taken pictures with my phone of managers, head down, looking at their phones and customers walking by, un-helped.  If the managers who have the responsibility of leading by example are screwing around because they don't have the desire to lead, what does that say about the direction the company is taking.  I keep my phone on me because I need the calculator function to help with quotes for customers on the more cumbersome orders(never being able to find a calculator when I need one), but that's it.  I recently had a day where a prospective new employer called me 3 times for an interview.  I called at the end of my extended 9-hour shift which had a total of zero breaks because 3 of my coworkers decided they didn't want to work that day to find the position had been filled.  I find it rather ironic that if I had been like most of my coworkers and ignored the company policy about cell phone usage, I'd be at a better, higher-paying job right now.

/in school for engineering, so I don't have to put up with this much longer
 
2013-06-18 08:48:25 PM  

Full Metal Retard: And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.


You're doing a wonderful job of demonstrating you are part of the problem. Instead of doing something useful, like getting together with other small business owners to see if perhaps you could pool your resources or otherwise address the situation, you're whining that you'll have to provide for your employees.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.

And you're not very smart either, though your whining about having to take care of your employees speaks to that in spades.
 
2013-06-18 08:53:38 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


Wow, really? You don't think big corporations make it very difficult for folks to start up new businesses? Besides, you're missing the main thesis of his post: How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, hundreds of thousands of not millions of Americans would start their own businesses if they didn't have to worry about obtaining their own health insurance, or obtaining health insurance for potential employees. Small business owners like you should absolutely support socialized medicine (or at least single payer/socialized insurance) because it's in your own best interest.
 
2013-06-18 08:57:34 PM  
When you live in a country that constantly pumps the idea that the reason you don't have a pot to piss in is the fault of the other, poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road who hasn't got a pot to piss in either AND, if you DO have a pot to piss in, you better grab on tight and lord it over people and tell everybody who doesn't that they're whiners - you can't really expect people to pay attention to the guy in the nice suit with the crowbar dismantling the ladder you think you're climbing.  He's Santa Claus he's a WINNER!  And YOU can be TOO!  Put the kool aid down before pontificating about economics, folks cause you're missing the whole con.
 
2013-06-18 08:57:50 PM  

Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.


30 years of wage stagnation...that can't possibly be hurting people's ability to get ahead.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:52 PM  

Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious? Also, one needs to consider the dilemma that those who don't have insurance or a job face here in this country... you can have your surgery in three weeks (Canadia), or you can have it never (US).

I'll take the three weeks , thank you very much.

You seem to be still hanging on to the mindset which insists that everything happen right now, instead of in relation to the seriousness of the disease or injury.

Heart attack = now. Broken leg = wait a few hours. Simple.
 
2013-06-18 09:01:22 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.

30 years of wage stagnation...that can't possibly be hurting people's ability to get ahead.


P.J. O'Rourke, in his book "Eat The Rich", stated that the economy isn't like a pizza and somebody eats the whole thing, then your family gets the pizza box for sinner.  Peej is very good writer.  Peej drinks a lot.  And he was was flat out wrong about that one.
 
2013-06-18 09:04:05 PM  

rewind2846: So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious?


Also in Canada things vary quite a lot from province to province in part because each provinces handles health care within its borders. So the experiences of someone in Toronto and Vancouver could be very different simply because they're in different provinces.
 
2013-06-18 09:12:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rewind2846: So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious?

Also in Canada things vary quite a lot from province to province in part because each provinces handles health care within its borders. So the experiences of someone in Toronto and Vancouver could be very different simply because they're in different provinces.


Kind of like contraceptive availability, same sex marriage, cost of living, elc.  It all depends on where you live?
 
2013-06-18 09:21:41 PM  

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


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My boss just made that point about my folks teleworking. She seems to forget that she schedules all the mandatory meetings Tuesday-Thursday.
 
2013-06-18 09:21:41 PM  

Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.


People just don't get the reality of socialized care.  I tried to explain this exact thing to my hyperliberal BIL, but he refuses to listen.

/Also an American living in Canada
 
2013-06-18 09:23:36 PM  

RockofAges: megarian: mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.

Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.

You know, up here, the health care is paid for and the green is way better.

/Sold!


You and you're logic...

And Canada is far. It's like, 30 minutes away.
 
2013-06-18 09:24:30 PM  
Gallup is a right-wing organization.  Its polls are routinely skewed to the right.  It's not surprising that they're pushing a "happy campers you are, and happy campers you shall remain" view.
 
2013-06-18 09:25:12 PM  
Why Socialized Health Care Is Bad.

a one act play buy bunner


"So why wouldn't tax funded social medicine work?"

"It wouldn't limit my potential to make as much money as possible."

"I dunno, there's guys in Sweden and England delivering the goods to the ill poors and rich alike and they got serious homes and cars and pretty wives and sh*t."

'Ah, but how much CAPITAL do they have?  What their opportunities to rise into the elite multi-millionaire class?"

"So, the point of practicing medicine is to have more expensive sh* t you don't need than the other guy practicing medicine?"

"Do you even live in this country?"

"Have you ever actually laid hand on a patient?"

"Sorry, I have to take this call.  It's my broker."

"I'd be shocked to hear it was anybody else."

I am carted away my DHS agents as a subversive

THE END
 
2013-06-18 09:32:53 PM  
Also, *your.
 
2013-06-18 09:34:38 PM  
My state is currently trying to pass a bill to remove health insurance from anyone working "part-time" for the state....except the legislature of course.

It's frustrating because while most of us would kill to get full time work, part time is all that's offered. The benefits aren't that amazing either. I got better at Petsmart when I was out of college in 2005. Now, you have to be making over 30hrs a week to even think of something besides Group Health HMO. Nobody under 17hr gets benefits and everyone in between just kind muddles through as best they can depending on their situation.

 Gotta be honest, if they do, I'll probably have to find a new job.

 And that sucks because I like my current job.
 
2013-06-18 09:36:19 PM  

RockofAges: megarian: RockofAges: megarian: mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.

Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.

You know, up here, the health care is paid for and the green is way better.

/Sold!

You and you're logic...

And Canada is far. It's like, 30 minutes away.

Just head straight east. When people start acting more and more drunk, you know you've hit NS or NL.


That's actually much easier than what Mapquest said. Thanks.
 
2013-06-18 09:42:55 PM  

RockofAges: Just head straight east. When people start acting more and more drunk, you know you've hit NS or NL.


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2013-06-18 10:25:43 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


Because single payer systems magically pay for themselves from money delivered by fairies.
 
2013-06-18 10:37:57 PM  
Everyone thinks they are underpaid...
 
2013-06-18 10:40:30 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


I work in a verzion call center..day one I started with 5 weeks vacation and 42k a year...copays are low too...find. Better company
 
2013-06-18 10:42:55 PM  

tbhouston: Everyone thinks they are underpaid...


And a lot of them are on the fu*king bullseye.
 
2013-06-18 10:52:30 PM  

Supercampion: Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.

So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

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San Francisco is very gay friendly.
 
2013-06-18 10:53:34 PM  
Im making like half the money with none of the vacation or benefits I had pre 2008.
 
2013-06-18 10:57:03 PM  

Oldiron_79: Im making like half the money with none of the vacation or benefits I had pre 2008.


Move.
 
2013-06-18 11:02:09 PM  

bunner: tbhouston: Everyone thinks they are underpaid...

And a lot of them are on the fu*king bullseye.


Sadly the most productive working classes will be underpaid because the least productive working classes receive a minimum wage.

Min wage is not a living wage for a reason. When you establish a minimum wage you elevate base prices to the level where minimum wage buys what it always does.....but more importantly, the wages above minimum tend not to rise along with the minimum, so the middle class can buy less with its money because we are forcing higher wages for the unskilled.

But this is lost on you because you really just want to be paid to sleep.
 
2013-06-18 11:05:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: Supercampion: Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.

So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

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San Francisco is very gay friendly.


Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.
 
2013-06-18 11:08:20 PM  
I hated my job. But it had health insurance and I could pretty much come and go as necessary to deal with "life" issues. The pay sucked, the environment sucked, the management sucked. They had a tagline that the CEO used to use at the borrrring company events "XXX is a family company." Those of us doing the actual work knew that yes, it was a family company, just not OUR families. So check this out. What I did was search and search until I found a better job. Then I took it! One of the happiest moments of my life was when I went into that guy's office and told him "Two weeks." This was about a week after I had hit him up for a raise, laying out exactly what I did, where I saved money and how much, and how I was an integral part of the team and got a flat "NO. No raise for you." It was awesome I tell you. According to former coworkers, he's STILL scratching his head about why I would leave.
The only bad part? My commute doubled. It went from 2 miles to 4 miles.

\It's out there. Be patient, adapt/ increase your skills.
\\Search. Find
\\\Former 70%er
 
2013-06-18 11:08:59 PM  

archichris: But this is lost on you because you really just want to be paid to sleep.


You're not very good at this, are yas? Here's a notion, oh great troller of High Economics®.  A job is worth paying for to be done well or it isn't, and if it isn't, the person who hired you to do it is a moron.  Please elucidate further with your unimpeachable posture of caustic, assumptive arrogance lighting the path of enlightenment.  *snort*
 
2013-06-18 11:10:42 PM  

Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.



You know, your reading comprehension is shaky at best, unsurprising considering your chosen moniker.  Especially if you think that Obamacare = Single Payer System = Universal Health Care.  It isn't.  What if you didn't have to worry about negotiating health care coverage for any of your employees, just as you don't worry about military/police protection for your businesses, or obtaining a individual company to deliver your mail to you? What if health care was just something that existed independent of your operations?  Hell, at a bare minimum it'd free up about 50% of your HR staff's time, I'd wager.  Instead, we got some twisted abomination of a half-assed measure that does bugger-all for actually providing health care or reducing costs (Obamacare) all in the name of "it'll cost the government too much"

What I said, and what you seem to have completely missed in your apoplexy over seeing the word Obamacare, is that what was missing from the entire health care debate was consideration for how much we could grow the economy, basically overnight, by removing the specter of health care costs, and free up individuals to start and grow their own businesses.  An effect that could pay for universal health care itself with increased revenues while holding taxation rates steady.

So, this encryption patent, which category does it fall under?  An implementation of a well-known and well-vetted encryption algorithm, which shouldn't be patentable?  Or a new encryption algorithm, which is doomed to failure once the crypto-geeks tear it apart?


 
2013-06-18 11:17:48 PM  

randomjsa: Because single payer systems magically pay for themselves from money delivered by fairies.


Which country spends the most per capita on health care?  Hint:  it does *not* have a single payer system.
 
2013-06-18 11:19:32 PM  
If you get sick, move to the UK, Canada or Sweden.  They're all just suburbs of the one true nation, anyhoo.  Try and fake an accent.
 
2013-06-18 11:45:34 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.



I am sure Wendy's will change their corporate policy because of you.
 
2013-06-18 11:53:57 PM  

great_tigers: I am sure Wendy's will change their corporate policy because of you.


I just put you on ignore because you come here to be a c*nt from behind your mother's skirt.   :  ) Get old, doesn't it?
 
2013-06-19 12:12:59 AM  
I love my job in customer service. Some guy named Lewy says he has a problem with a guy I take care of that guy and then more problem.....yous gota problem wit tat
 
2013-06-19 12:42:11 AM  
I wouldn't mind going to Canada, I understand there's honest to gods jade/nephrite up there if one is willing to search carefully for it.

'course I could go to Monterey here in Cali and pick it on the beaches too...
 
2013-06-19 12:43:13 AM  

BMFPitt: I am well paid (although my net pay has dropped the last 3 years) and I have great benefits, but I'm still not terribly thrilled about my job.


Realistically speaking, very few people LIKE the idea of working, if they could be independently wealthy and sit on a beach in Bali and be serviced by beautiful cabana workers (your choice of gender). Most people, even those who enjoy their jobs, don't leap from bed in the morning with a song on their lips and scream "GODDAMN, AM I LUCKY I GET TO WORK TODAY!!!!"
 
2013-06-19 01:42:18 AM  
Remember: people who are "loyal" to companies are like battered spouses: their abuser sees them as nearly worthless.
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Don't spend it all in one place.

Every day a work is another day I evaluate the company/my boss. When they rack up enough violations on their permanent record, they will be "rightsized" and I will work for someone else.

// So far, they've got a pretty big black mark for screwing
// up my paperwork then refusing to pay me for the
// first two weeks I was there "because the paperwork wasn't complete"
// Incompetence, pure and simple, and when I'm done using them to
// pay off my debt and get a few years experience in the field,
// they're going to be let go. Haven't decided if it'll be an immediate termination
// or if I'll give them two weeks of coasting.
 
2013-06-19 01:55:02 AM  

safetycap: Remember: people who are "loyal" to companies are like battered spouses: their abuser sees them as nearly worthless.
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Don't spend it all in one place.

Every day a work is another day I evaluate the company/my boss. When they rack up enough violations on their permanent record, they will be "rightsized" and I will work for someone else.

// So far, they've got a pretty big black mark for screwing
// up my paperwork then refusing to pay me for the
// first two weeks I was there "because the paperwork wasn't complete"
// Incompetence, pure and simple, and when I'm done using them to
// pay off my debt and get a few years experience in the field,
// they're going to be let go. Haven't decided if it'll be an immediate termination
// or if I'll give them two weeks of coasting.


That is a most mutual attitude.  Totally fair IMO.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:02 AM  
archichris:
Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.

Then they will  run into an even larger problem... no one wants to live in Mooseballs, Wyoming.
Flyover country is called that for good reason.
/your cunning plan, you did not think it through
 
2013-06-19 02:42:18 AM  
Warning: My workplace uses this "engagement survey" in place of the old "staff satisfaction survey".  Their line is that an engaged staff member must be a satisfied staff member.

It asks you things like has someone spoken to you about your performance in the last six months, do you know what your job is, do you have the tools to do your job, do you think the company's leaders have a vision for the future..

It's pure bullshiat.  My office's results are always "highly engaged" because the management make sure they do the right things so can tick the right boxes, but we are miserable. as. all. fark. because they actually treat the staff like crap.
 
2013-06-19 02:50:22 AM  
I worked many jobs in my time and only in one was I happy enough to speculate that if I could move into the place, I would.

I gave 110% and more. I absorbed information like a sponge, far faster and better than I had done in school.

Then, the administration changed, employees were fired and none replaced so we had to absorb their work loads without even a small pay raise. New managers seemed to find a lot to gripe about. Making overtime seemed nearly impossible as they implemented a new way to figure it that I never did grasp the concept. Then, they started segregating the professionals from the non-professionals, not wanting them to be friends, to eat together or even take breaks together.

Some employees were ordered to spy on others, or loose their jobs.

That was at a hospital. I was an Orderly, who had taken some nursing courses and did the work of a Medical Tech but was never given the rank nor pay applicable to my skills. Yet I was called more than other orderlies to handle complex situations and usually given the position of roving orderly, meaning I covered the entire hospital and not just one floor. Plus I trained new Orderlies.

After I left there I had a series of jobs where they seemed cool when I started but turned to shiat over time, especially when the economy dipped.

In one job I was required not only to treat my patients, but to defend them and staff as necessary. I got smacked in the head with a pool cue by a disruptive patient, slapped by another, wound up wresting with a couple more, got blindsided and punched in the face by one which fractured my nose, nearly got stabbed with the jagged end of a broken wooden coat hanger, had to jump in to keep another employee from beating the krap out of a patient and chased more than one patient out of the clinic and through the high crime minority section the place was in, where the locals promptly hid such patients because their skin was black and mine was white.

I saved a patient's life and was nearly fired for it. I watched other employees abuse and steal from patients and my complaints went ignored. I got to experience reverse discrimination since most of the inpatient staff was black. One staff member carried a straight razor in his pocket -- which wasn't allowed but was ignored for him. Another staff member got his arse shot up in a dispute with a bartender where he tried to shoot him first -- and was rehired after getting out of the hospital.

I soon hated that job, which was in the Mental Health Field, right about the time the government was closing the big state institutions and dumping patients on the streets. I watched therapists leave because they couldn't take the bullshiat and, eventually, I left.

Other jobs I gave 110% and found that wasn't good enough as businesses instituted the 39 hour work week, slashed benefits, started pushing employees to do more and more for less and pointing out that they had a pile of applicants for their jobs.

In one job I worked a 12 and 13 hour day, plus was on call all of the time since I was manager, but got paid for 8. I didn't make more than $10.85 an hour and soon discovered that it was damned if you did and damned if you didn't.

Often I worked two jobs, like delivering papers at night or doing private health care for people in their homes.

I got fired from one job and the boss fought my unemployment, lying his arse off. I won the case anyhow and he had to pay 50% of my unemployment for almost two years. Previously, he had bragged to all of his employees about how he NEVER paid unemployment.

In one job I hauled tons of freight from tractor trailers in heat inside the trailer that usually approached 125 degrees. Then I had to put it all away in the stock room. I was a stock room manager and discovered that my pay had a maximum range -- UNDER $10 an hour. Plus I was expected to work over but not on the clock.

In one job, I saved a life. In another, I worked to prove that my boss did not deserve to be fined several hundred dollars for freight that was shipped to a wrong area and spent hours salvaging things like fluorescent lights from abandoned buildings because the company didn't like paying for new ones. In one job I chased a thief off the loading dock with a 2x4, later caught an employee stealing and had my crew lower me down into a manhole on a chain to clear a sump pump. In one I fronted the money to pay for needed equipment. In another I saved the boss money by buying repair parts for the company trucks and installing them myself. (He reimbursed me for the parts. He never paid me anything for the extra time it took to install the stuff.)

When I left that job, he owed me about $100 for things I had purchased for the company and had promised to pay me. He never did.

No, I didn't like the majority of my jobs after a bit. I also discovered that the bosses didn't like to hand out compliments. However, they certainly could find things to biatch about.

Yeah, I can fully understand why so many people do not like their jobs. Loyalty is a thing of the past. Rewarding a low level employee is also no longer done.

I would dearly LOVE to find a job that I could really like, work my ass of at, make some good pay, get good benefits and actually have the boss compliment little old me or at least appreciate any efforts I made to save the company money. It'd be nice to get more than a $0.25 raise or a $100 bonus.

I don't mind working over 80 hours, so long as I'm treated well.

Businesses these days don't do that anymore -- and as a result, they loose millions in productivity. It's been proven time and time again that happy workers produce more, with less errors and work to support the company. Then the company makes bigger profits.
 
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