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2013-06-18 06:58:54 PM  
I was in and out of unemployment for three years and while I'm content to be gainfully employed now, I learned you can't just jump at the first offer you get.
 
2013-06-18 07:00:08 PM  

mgshamster: TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


With all the money you saved while working , of course.
 
2013-06-18 07:00:12 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.


Wrong.  The engame is one manager at the top getting 20 bazillion dollars a year and everything else is automated (including the repairs).  Look at what happens with corporate pay... it's obvious that in corporate america the belief is the ONLY people deserving pay are executives.  They're the only people not allowed to get a pay cut because the corporation "needs the best and the brightest."
 
2013-06-18 07:00:55 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.


Everyone in the US is an employer in China.  Especially Wal-Mart customers.
 
2013-06-18 07:02:48 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.


So tell me why your healthcare being held hostage by the employer is better?

How are people supposed to pay for cancer treatment?
 
2013-06-18 07:03:37 PM  

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


False. Some us like our jobs, but we still need to eat. The best jobs are where you get paid to do something you like, and everything you like you would not do for free.
Think of the rabid college football fan and english major who lands their dream job as a sportswriter. This is what I mean.
 
2013-06-18 07:06:03 PM  
Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?
 
2013-06-18 07:07:53 PM  
I used to be part of that 70% until I started "borrowing" tools and helping clients on my own time for cash under the table. I'm much happier in my work now.

/boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.
 
2013-06-18 07:09:10 PM  

bunner: Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?


Capitalism and Corporatism isn't the same thing.  They'd like you to think that, but it's not.
 
2013-06-18 07:10:33 PM  

JesusJuice: /boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.


www.cswap.com

These guys?
 
2013-06-18 07:11:19 PM  

d23: Capitalism and Corporatism isn't the same thing.  They'd like you to think that, but it's not.


I've been sort of gleaning that lately, from the size of the double donger fist of fury so uncomfortably lodged in my country's ass.
 
2013-06-18 07:16:54 PM  

SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.


Ha ha, no. Here's my favorite anecdote on the subject: once while running through an airport I smacked my hand into a sign and jammed a finger. A couple of weeks later the finger was a bit sore. Nothing major but I'm not as young as I once way and I spend my entire day on the keyboard so I went to a local hand specialist. He suggested an MRI. I felt a bit guilty about wasting that much health insurance but I agreed and called the MRI place on my cell phone from his office. They had multiple openings that very afternoon. I drove straight over and was in the MRI machine less than an hour later.

If you have good health insurance, US healthcare is freaking insane. If you do not have good health insurance, well... pray you stay healthy.

For the record I am Canadian and I plan to retire in Canada. I also underwent emergency surgery when I was in my 20s which saved my life, in a Canadian hospital. I have no beefs with socialized medicine. It is absolutely the right thing for any first world nation to do. It's not easy to do well but looking at the America, you really can't do much worse.
 
2013-06-18 07:19:25 PM  

Jument: If you have good health insurance, US healthcare is freaking insane. If you do not have good health insurance, well... pray you stay healthy.


So, ergo, the point of US health care isn't health care, the point is moving hippo sh*t stupid amounts of money around because, sick people.
 
2013-06-18 07:21:22 PM  
Supercampion:So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

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The job was better.  The pay was worse, but the job was better.

Or to put it another way, the magical money train (signing bonus) at the high-pay job (and it sounded like they were basically doubling everyone's salary with year-end stock bonuses on top of the defined salary) lasted for 4 years and 70% of their workforce left inside of 3.  Imagine how bad your workplace would have to be for you to be making $150-$200K a year and just leave.  I dealt with that level of corporate bureaucracy before, and never ever want to deal with it again.

So instead I became person Number 6 at my startup.

/And the best part is that either the company goes big, and I make hundreds of thousands off stock options in the exit, or the company explodes and I make thousands in the acqui-hire.  I can't lose (barring earthquakes or 2nd dot-com bubbles, and even then, losing is still fairly nice).
 
2013-06-18 07:22:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: 70% still wouldn't give a crap about their work if their pay was trebled, they had free health care, and got a month's paid vacation per year.  Those things have nothing to do with the fact that it's impossible to match everyone up with work that interests them.


If I could actually get PTO with this job, I'd be thrilled. Getting time off is like pulling teeth.
 
2013-06-18 07:22:51 PM  

bunner: Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?


When there is no more blood to be squeezed, they will leave while we kill each other over scraps.
 
2013-06-18 07:23:55 PM  

pxlboy: When there is no more blood to be squeezed, they will leave while we kill each other over scraps.


Not if we can beat them to the airport.
 
2013-06-18 07:26:13 PM  
Agrees
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2013-06-18 07:26:53 PM  
And I hate to break it to you, but that IS going to be the 2nd American revolution, because we're too doppish and delusional to think we'll need one before they flush the whole thing and bail.  Seriously.  That's our last hope.  Beating the cocksuckers to the Gulstream boarding stair once we realize that the con not only worked, but we helped them scrape the paint off the wall.
 
2013-06-18 07:31:47 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.
 
2013-06-18 07:32:54 PM  

Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.


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Yup.  With enough money I could find something to do all day, and not just "me" stuff.  I'd like to volunteer at the local hospital, but I can't because I have no time left after working and keeping the house and car from falling apart.

Unfortunately, a lot of rich people don't think like that.  Case in point: My elderly neighbor.  Dead wife, no kids or grand kids.  No debts, several million invested in mutual funds.  He does nothing with it.  No travel, no hobbies, not a foodie, never volunteered for anything, does nothing really except sit around watching Fox and listening to talk radio.  He continues to clip coupons, always asks for the senior discount because he's "on a fixed income".  To see him go about his daily business, you'd think he was poor.   He's done nothing all his life except pound money up his ass, and continues to do so in old age.

His will leaves everything to nieces and nephews, who never call, or come to visit him.  When he's dead, it will be party time for these people, you can believe it.   It's both disgusting and sad,

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:25 PM  
Well, yeah.  With all due deference to Barry at least *trying*, see, this whole Obamacare this *is* pretty much dogs*it because it didn't tackle the actual problem.  That problem is that health care is about making people who provide it and insurance companies pig in sh*t rich.  So instead of doing something about regulating it, or even, OH NOES, making it something your taxes pay for, he just decided that it's time to bring back some old time religion and have the boss pick up the tab.  In an economy that has it's ass hanging out so far that the boss can't afford it any more than you.  He poked the wrong dog.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:43 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-06-18 07:39:06 PM  
Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  until demand picks up because the only reason any business will hire more people is because of increase in demand for that business's goods/services. Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.

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FIFY
 
2013-06-18 07:39:33 PM  

sickb0y: also, the last time I was actually sick I had to take a couple days off because my voice was gone and I talk on the phone for a living.  I hadn't taken a sick day in almost 2 years prior to that, but when I came back I got treated like some kind of goldbrick because I happened to get sick Memorial Day weekend, so I got an "extra day off".  Sitting in the shower with what used to be food coming out of both ends wasn't exactly my idea of "time off"


If you can, get a new job.

 That is crap. Those people never change and it's going downhill anyway.
 
2013-06-18 07:40:43 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


So, the idea that the people in the cool tree house would pull the rope up is just ludicrous? I'd ease up on the "U R teh stupid" if I were youse.
 
2013-06-18 07:42:07 PM  

d23: JesusJuice: /boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.

These guys?


The one in the middle actually looks just like my boss.
 
2013-06-18 07:42:36 PM  

illannoyin: When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.


Everyday is saturday night.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.


I've had that conversation with my conservative friends. Each and every one of them has grown up believing that unions are fundamentally evil and exist for no other purpose than to line the pockets of the union coffers.  Again and again, I've tried to point out to them that unions came into existence for a reason and that whether or not you believe that unions are the correct solution to those problems, the problems legitimately exist and the free market does not do a good job of correcting them because all the incentives point in the other direction (i.e., towards worker exploitation).
 
2013-06-18 07:43:44 PM  
As long as they keep pretending to pay us, we'll keep pretending we're working!
 
2013-06-18 07:48:30 PM  

Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.

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Yup.  With enough money I could find something to do all day, and not just "me" stuff.  I'd like to volunteer at the local hospital, but I can't because I have no time left after working and keeping the house and car from falling apart.

Unfortunately, a lot of rich people don't think like that.  Case in point: My elderly neighbor.  Dead wife, no kids or grand kids.  No debts, several million invested in mutual funds.  He does nothing with it.  No travel, no hobbies, not a foodie, never volunteered for anything, does nothing really except sit around watching Fox and listening to talk radio.  He continues to clip coupons, always asks for the senior discount because he's "on a fixed

 /Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.


That money belongs to that old man and he should be able to leave it to whomever he damn well pleases and not have to worry about the gov ripping them off.
Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their inherited investments.  I don't care if it's taxed at over a million or three or five. Inheritance tax is double dipping on the governments part - and that's disgusting and sad.
 
2013-06-18 07:48:39 PM  

d23: DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.

So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth


Yeah.  Lots of them.  They usually describe such efforts as "paying your fair share" or "consumer protection."

or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Which you probably support 90% of the time.
 
2013-06-18 07:50:17 PM  

Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.


It's nice you live in a dreamworld where the rich guy wants you to make it and isn't doing things like encouraging the dumbing down of education so others can't make it, but I don't want to live there with you.

favorited!
 
2013-06-18 07:53:45 PM  

KrustyKitten: Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their


FYI, cost basis gets reset to current market price when you die, so there is a pretty big tax dodge as far as that is concerned.

At least that's what I remember from helping my mom deal with stuff when my grandma died a few years ago.
 
2013-06-18 07:57:26 PM  

bunner: Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

...

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.

So, the idea that the people in the cool tree house would pull the rope up is just ludicrous? I'd ease up on the "U R teh stupid" if I were youse.


My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.


The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.


And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.


Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.


And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.
 
2013-06-18 08:01:39 PM  

Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm

...

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.


That makes small businesses and family farms effectively illegal.  Are you sure that's going to level society?

It would have the exact opposite effect.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate.  It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.  Obama sucks kawk on Wall Street, but he'd like to see Joe The Plumber hanged.
 
2013-06-18 08:05:06 PM  

Full Metal Retard: My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.


And that's great, but he said 1%%.

The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.

Conspiracy?  No, it's a business plan.  And it's necessary to keep money valuable.  Because it has none.

And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.

And being out of beer money is a great reason to pimp your mother, on paper, but it's a sh*tty thing to do.

Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.

How many multi-billionaires do you know?

And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.

I'm sorry to hear that, but eventually, either health care is going to have to cut the "everything costs 10,000.00" bullsh*t, be wholly socialized, or we're gonna have to start herding the ill into lime pits.  Cause so far, valuaing bad IOUs over human life got us here.
 
2013-06-18 08:05:09 PM  

BMFPitt: KrustyKitten: Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their

FYI, cost basis gets reset to current market price when you die, so there is a pretty big tax dodge as far as that is concerned.

At least that's what I remember from helping my mom deal with stuff when my grandma died a few years ago.


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Yup.  They'll pay little or no tax.

BTW, the geezer is a WWII vet.....technically a WWII vet.....he got inducted a few weeks before Little Boy shut down the Empire of The Rising Sun.  As a result, he qualified for the GI Bill and used the benefits to go to college,  He probably would never have gone on to college otherwise because his parents were poor.  Spent his entire career working in the defense industry.  Despite this he hates government like poison.  He hates immigrants -- his grandparents were immigrants.  Doesn't believe he should be forced to pay for the local school levy because he never had kids.   He hates the black "socialist" in the White house trying to take his money.   Unions are evil, etc.  In other words, he's 100% Tea-Tard.

/ I got mine.
 
2013-06-18 08:06:31 PM  

meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013


Well here's what your company should do:
A. Pay the people they want to hire more money
B: Train the people they have so that they can become "qualified"
C: Hire people from outside who know most of what the company needs and train them to do the rest
D: Any combination of A, B and C

Choose wisely.
 
2013-06-18 08:08:53 PM  

Full Metal Retard: Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm

...

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.

That makes small businesses and family farms effectively illegal.  Are you sure that's going to level society?

It would have the exact opposite effect.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate.  It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.  Obama sucks kawk on Wall Street, but he'd like to see Joe The Plumber hanged.


Agreed.

Not to mention that most of the times people who make money off of inheritance and haven't been wealthy their whole life blow through it pretty quick. That money's moving back in the economy (probably housing) pretty quick. We should be so lucky.

Now long-term wealth sitting with a few families in New York, that's a larger societal problem.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:09 PM  

bunner: Full Metal Retard: My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.

And that's great, but he said 1%%.

The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.

Conspiracy?  No, it's a business plan.  And it's necessary to keep money valuable.  Because it has none.

And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.

And being out of beer money is a great reason to pimp your mother, on paper, but it's a sh*tty thing to do.

Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.

How many multi-billionaires do you know?

And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.

I'm sorry to hear that, but eventually, either health care is going to have to cut the "everything costs 10,000.00" bullsh*t, be wholly socialized, or we're gonna have to start herding the ill into lime pits.   ...


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And despite all this, you have enough spare time to shill for supply side economics on pathetic little chat forums, such as this.  You truly are a free market superman.
 
2013-06-18 08:12:23 PM  
Joe the plumber is a cartoon character, propaganda is propaganda, bootstraps are bullshiat and your munneh is IOUs.  Bad IOUs.  I'm over it.  Nobody who can't step back far enough from the machine they think they are a "successful" cog in has an economics opinion  worth snot, frankly, because they are quite certain that somebody wins and that's them.
 
2013-06-18 08:20:38 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: mgshamster: Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.

Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it".  What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.


Humans beings are morally entitled to shelter, food and healthcare. They SHOULD feel and know that. It sounds like you love and worship money. You should be loving your fellow human beings. Even the Constitution says the government allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare of the people. Living or dieing would fall under general welfare.  Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of public aid. In most developed countries, welfare is largely provided by the government
Most countries are civilized enough to provide some form of universal healthcare. In the U.S. we spend more on healthcare than any other country yet only a portion of citizens have coverage. The others die or become bankrupt. I use to work in healthcare and saw it every day. You are just making excuses because you are a horrible, evil person. Stop arguing and just admit that because no rational, decent human being would agree with you. You have no basis to preach about morals. You don't have any.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:51 PM  
Work sucks. That's why we get paid. Deal with it, you farking whiners.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:20 PM  

Lunchlady: It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.


I must not be a "leftie" then, because this the exact person that I think is getting screwed.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:54 PM  
I have two months of vacation and health insurance, and I hate my farking job.

FWIW.
 
2013-06-18 08:27:32 PM  

Full Metal Retard: A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day,


Full Metal Retard: we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people


So, assuming you have no admin, support, blah blah, you have your employees watching over 18 children each, every day?  Wow, you're awesome. Can I get a job with you?
 
2013-06-18 08:30:24 PM  

d23: Lunchlady: It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.

I must not be a "leftie" then, because this the exact person that I think is getting screwed.


I probably should have left that last part out of my quoted bit.

I agree that inheritance taxes disproportionately affect small business owners.

I don't agree at all that somehow liberal boogiemen hate small business owners. That's a horseshiat strawman. I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:16 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:57 PM  

Lunchlady: I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.


With respect, how?  The corporations aren't going to provide employment to the unwashed masses anymore.  Not in this country, anyway.  We still dump billions of dollars on corporations every year with that basic belief in mind.
 
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