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2013-06-18 05:15:50 PM
durbnpoisn * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-18 03:56:52 PM If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence. That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits). Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people. They would pretty much say, "You don't like it? I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning." And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.
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If companies really were in the shiatter, I could understand.

They're NOT. They're making record profits. They're scumbags, pure and simple.
 
2013-06-18 05:18:53 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


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Congratulations, I was in my 30s before I figured that out.

/Quit the NRA after 20 years
/Slow learner
 
2013-06-18 05:21:32 PM
durbnpoisn:They would pretty much say, "You don't like it? I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning." And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.2.bp.blogspot.com
Hey baby, when I found you, you was nothin'.  Look at this fine crib.  You eat McDonald's twice a DAY, you ungrateful ho!  You KNOW I can trick out some biatch just as pretty as you lust like THAT, don'tcha?  You know I can.  Now go get me a coat hanger to beat you with and then get yo ass out there and make me some money, gurrrl.
 
2013-06-18 05:23:00 PM

mike_d85: It's not easy being green?


I have a theory about that.  I think it's piss simple.  Now, being a talking frog is gonna start some sh*t.
 
2013-06-18 05:23:13 PM

Supercampion: capt.hollister: Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.

To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.

As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


Absolutely. Our system can stand some improvements, the main problem being access to specialists, a situation not helped by many of them going into private clinics. I could, for example, describe the frustrating search for an orthopaedic surgeon..,  however in my personal experience, if you need urgent care, you will receive it quickly and efficiently (barring human error in recognizing your need, as the occasional news story seems to suggest).  I have occasional bouts of atrial fibrillation. It happens every few years or so. When it does, we drive to the ER in the morning, explain the situation and within a few hours I've been cardioversed and back home, usually in time for dinner. I might add that the only cost to me is for the hospital parking lot...
 
2013-06-18 05:23:30 PM

Capo Del Bandito: But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.


Are you against the last clause of the 6th amendment?
 
2013-06-18 05:24:42 PM

capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


43% favor Obamacare.
35% oppose it.
16% don't think it goes far *enough*.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/05/28/healthcarepoll.pdf

People actually lean towards having a health care safety net of some sort.
 
2013-06-18 05:26:33 PM

Capo Del Bandito: But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.


So I can count on you for a quick fiddy for my "kill the cripples" campaign?

Capo Del Bandito: Been starving and jobless before. Builds character.


Yeah, me too.  And you know what? Horsesh*t.  It just sucks and makes you sad and miserable until it stops sucking.
 
2013-06-18 05:26:58 PM

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


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It can also mean you worked yourself too much during the week and got sick from stress as a result.
 
2013-06-18 05:34:28 PM

Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.
 
2013-06-18 05:37:28 PM

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


The funny sad thing is that there is no way to opt out - there is no public land to camp on, and cities have laws disenfranchising the homeless from what little they have (a piece of sidewalk, even).

So there really is no concept of "you can't work" and that's what the business interests have lobbied to create, lyin', cheatin', and stealin' all the way.
 
2013-06-18 05:44:47 PM

SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.


I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.
 
2013-06-18 05:45:21 PM

ComicBookGuy: Keep voting progressive Democrats, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly enjoy the peso style devaluation of your dollars the way we keep printing them.

 
2013-06-18 05:45:46 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.
Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.
People are always going to bitach about something



Basically yes.  Here is a map of the Human Development Index by nation, compiled by the U.N. (2013 data shown)  It is a   "comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. " In their words.   The darker green the better people's lives in general.

You see that deep rich dark green area?  Yes, we that live there do like to spend a lot of time and energy complaining about how horrible our lives are.  How terrible we have it.  How our game console is one generation old, our plasma screen is only 52" instead of 72", and golly you mean I have to work in order to get stuff?  wtf is up with that?  I don't like work!  I should just receive stuff because I feel entitled to it.


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2013-06-18 05:46:26 PM

shortymac: It can also mean you worked yourself too much during the week and got sick from stress as a result.


Um... the original joke was how the Pointy Haired Boss in the comic strip was bad at math. Assuming random distribution, 40% of all sick days would be expected to be on Friday or Monday.
 
2013-06-18 05:51:01 PM
I'm in the minority. I love my job. I like my boss. I have competent co-workers. My health insurance is paid-for by my employer. Hell, they even pay for a Disability policy for us. I get 4 weeks of paid vacation per year, as well as a week of paid PTO (Personal Time Off). I have my own office (with a door and everything), and I can come-and-go as I please. I make decent money...I don't think I'm under-paid, but I'm certainly not over-paid, either.
 
2013-06-18 05:52:54 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Human Development Index


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You can't deny that the bottom half of Americans are now losing ground.  Yes, still better off than the average Mexican, but for how much longer?
 
2013-06-18 05:59:35 PM
Umm, if I were to "actively engage" at work the way my employer would prefer me to do, I would be helping them to get kickbacks from generic companies for actively forcing patients to use their drugs through surreptitious communications with doctors.

I would also be helping my company gather even more personal information about patients and ask them to sign electronically stating my company may use their private health info. What for exactly? Damned if I know! I know it's illegal for my company to use the info without a signature, and they won't tell me what they're using it for, so that's enough to think its probably shady at best.

I'm also supposed to direct patients to use our store brand products, which I do fairly often, but products I've used and found to be inferior? Hell no, I won't tell people who trust me for their health to use them.

In short, I am engaged in a profession which demands a higher standard of honesty and integrity than my company exhibits. I suspect many more people are similarly "disengaged", and I applaud them for it.
 
2013-06-18 06:00:17 PM

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.


Union Thugs?  zOMG SOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-06-18 06:02:59 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.
Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.
People are always going to bitach about something


Basically yes.  Here is a map of the Human Development Index by nation, compiled by the U.N. (2013 data shown)  It is a   "comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. " In their words.   The darker green the better people's lives in general.

You see that deep rich dark green area?  Yes, we that live there do like to spend a lot of time and energy complaining about how horrible our lives are.  How terrible we have it.  How our game console is one generation old, our plasma screen is only 52" instead of 72", and golly you mean I have to work in order to get stuff?  wtf is up with that?  I don't like work!  I should just receive stuff because I feel entitled to it.


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Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.

/Unless, of course, you're not using "entitled" in the proper usage and instead you're trying to use it like it is some sort of dirty word.
//In which case, you should have written, "...because I want it."
 
2013-06-18 06:03:12 PM
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"Neau, neau, neau, dear me, boy.  You see, endless growth is the key and if we can use this.. money thing, to leverage all the actual wealth, some new thing will come along and the poors will want one.  then we'll make it in China and sell it to poors with less and less money to pay for it, and then we'll use those profits to ruin other economic sectors and the poors can replace wealth we've stolen with the money they'll have after they're done buying whatever thing it is we make in China.  Seau simple, you see.  Now fetch me a toddy and some 6 year old Costa Rican boys, like a good chap."
 
2013-06-18 06:03:28 PM
capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

What happens if you or a member of your family requires major surgery?

Dont let your plan lapse.

will you still be insurable?

Dont let your plan lapse.

if yes, will you still be able to afford the premiums?

I dont draw any special demarcation between health, life, or automotive insurance.  It's all insurance to me.

Basic needs like food, lights, insurance, etc. during any period of unemployment should be met by a reserve fund until things normalize.

Worst case though, absolutely, the state should step up to help the destitute.  That doesnt have to mean universal coverage for all though.

Many on the right dont believe the pursuit of government health care in the U.S. is just some giant magnanimous gesture by the Democrats.  They believe it's instead meant to be an electoral tool, designed to help Democrats and Democrats only, until the end of time.

Control the body and you control the mind.
 
2013-06-18 06:04:30 PM
sobriquet by any other name:
So there really is no concept of "you can't work"


Which is clearly something we need to reevaluate as a society. Technology is only going to make the need to work more and more irrelevant as time goes on. For example I can in-vision a maintenance crew being replaced by robots completely, with maybe one person in charge of maintaining the robots/etc. Fortunately/unfortunately we aren't quite there yet, but blue collar jobs will become more and more irrelevant as time goes on. So what as a society are we going to do about it?

Education is at the heart of it, so it would be nice of we had an education system that wasn't broken. That still doesn't address the main issue though, and its an issue we're facing today. There are only so many jobs, especially well paying jobs. Its not likely to improve over time either, and with robots/technology eventually replacing our low wage workers what do we do then? Not everyone is college material, what then?

Well if you're America, you don't believe in handouts. So tough luck, I guess become homeless maybe? After all, you work or you're useless right?
 
2013-06-18 06:06:13 PM

Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.


I can certainly understand that the family and the dad would be terrified at the prospect of having to wait, but did any oncologist actually tell them that he would be dead before the 8 months wait ? I'm not sure how it is in your province, but here in Québec, if that were indeed the case and there was no way for the provincial healthcare system to intervene in a timely fashion, the provincial healthcare system would actually pay for him to be transferred to and cared for in a US hospital.
 
2013-06-18 06:06:29 PM

groppet: Years ago I had a boss that efter chewing the crew out for something one of his hires did told us that we were lucky to work for him. And if he wanted he would have a line around the building with 30 people to replace each one of us that would be happy to work for him. He was a delusional ahole that got fired for sexual harassment. He is a pastor now from what I hear.


Why am I not surprised..?
 
2013-06-18 06:07:28 PM

TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.


When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?
 
2013-06-18 06:08:28 PM
You mean the tenant farmers of the corporate neo-feudalistic age are unhappy that the nobility are receiving a 90% profit on their work? well, that's just crazy talk. I'm sure those stupid poors will learn to respect and serve their FSM-ordained betters and grow complacent with their lot in life. These situations always end up well for the wealthy.
 
2013-06-18 06:09:02 PM

bbfreak: There are only so many jobs, especially well paying jobs. Its not likely to improve over time either, and with robots/technology eventually replacing our low wage workers what do we do then? Not everyone is college material, what then?


I'm pretty sure all the pretendy jobs will disappear when the pretendy IOU money in our pretendy economy gets called in by the actual bookie joint jerkoffs running said pretendy economy, only they want actual wealth for it.
 
2013-06-18 06:12:02 PM

mgshamster: When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


But.. it's THERE for you, man!  It's a chance!  It's hope!  It's a f*cking window shopping trip to a Rolls Royce dealership with a dime and some pocket lint.
 
2013-06-18 06:12:36 PM

Bender The Offender: You mean the tenant farmers of the corporate neo-feudalistic age are unhappy that the nobility are receiving a 90% profit on their work? well, that's just crazy talk. I'm sure those stupid poors will learn to respect and serve their FSM-ordained betters and grow complacent with their lot in life. These situations always end up well for the wealthy.


...and you should be thankful that they have deigned to give you this wonderful gift of a job out of the bottom of their hearts.  Why aren't you grateful to them?
 
2013-06-18 06:14:02 PM

mgshamster: TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


Hike the deductible, try to trim the benefits within the plan, use the reserve I spoke of, get back to work ASAP.

All else fails, shop out a catastrophic plan for a fraction of $1500.

Or become a ward of the state.  I'm not against that.  It just shouldnt be the first action at the first bump in the road.
 
2013-06-18 06:15:20 PM

mgshamster: Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.


Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it".  What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:04 PM

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.  That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits).  Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people.  They would pretty much say, "You don't like it?  I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning."

And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.


That's the main thing I harp on about companies. They don't have time to train people or teach them something new. They treat people like paper clips and just have high turnover. Guess it's okay to have high turnover, but when I read about turnover online about a company, you know damn well I'm not applying to that company.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:13 PM
You know all those infomercials about the big money secret that brokers, real estate mooks and high roller mickey ficks know that you don't?  I'm gonna save you a fat CC bill.  Here's the "big secret".  It's all debt and it doesn't matter how much you run up if somebody else will buy it from you.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:26 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Capo Del Bandito: At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.

Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.

The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.


Skynet... no one name your kid Skynet, Skyler is bad enough.
 
2013-06-18 06:28:44 PM
I think people are going to have to get have to change their mindset on technology as a tool to cut costs of living rather than increasing it through the consumption of high priced iterative versioned gadgets.  Use technology to provide cheap/free entertainment, easily access cheap mass transit, live a more cost efficient and frugal life.   Use apps that help you find recipes that make nutritious and delicious meals for pennies per serving, not aps that help you find the local hotspots and the trendy restaurant du jours or ways to get restaurants to deliver to your house.

No doubt "Da Man" is a heartless cawksucker, all the more reason why you have to scrounge and save every penny and buffer yourself from dependence on him.    Worrying about keeping up with the Jones-es is a fool's errand, as this shows that 70% of the Jones-es are just as miserable as you are (if not more).    You can't play that rigged game.
 
2013-06-18 06:29:46 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible ...


LOL.

And as for 70%: As many have no doubt said before me, I'm surprised it's only 70%.  Seems low.
 
2013-06-18 06:31:18 PM

capt.hollister: Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.

I can certainly understand that the family and the dad would be terrified at the prospect of having to wait, but did any oncologist actually tell them that he would be dead before the 8 months wait ? I'm not sure how it is in your province, but here in Québec, if that were indeed the case and there was no way for the provincial healthcare system to intervene in a timely fashion, the provincial healthcare system would actually pay for him to be transferred to and cared for in a US hospital.


Maybe that's what happened, IDK, B.C.
 
2013-06-18 06:34:40 PM
I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.
 
2013-06-18 06:35:29 PM
You're not supposed to like it!  Where do people get the idea that work is supposed to be fun?  You have to get up early and spend all day doing what other people tell you to do.  That's why they pay you!  Now quit whining and get back to work.

faithwriters.com
 
2013-06-18 06:38:23 PM

mike_the_engineer: You're not supposed to like it!


This and other propaganda available at a grade school, local saloon or church near you.
 
2013-06-18 06:40:51 PM

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, for 30K a year so they bring in singh ghandi abdul ect which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013 and drive prices down

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.

 
2013-06-18 06:40:52 PM

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.  Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.  $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.
 
2013-06-18 06:51:10 PM
Get rid of all exemptions to overtime. All of them. Then institute some minimum level of paid sick leave and vacation time.
 
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2013-06-18 06:52:02 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.


It's not only that... they needed labor IN THIS COUNTRY because getting stuff from other countries didn't make sense... and there was no Internet.

People still have idea that somehow giving money to coporations (usually through abatements) means jobs.  It just doesn't.  Those days are gone.  They have enough capitol and tech that they can put plants in a 3rd world shiatpile and manage them from here.  Giving money to them doesn't do shiat.  I wish the throngs of cretins her in the U.S. could understand that.
 
2013-06-18 06:52:39 PM
Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.


So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

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2013-06-18 06:54:54 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it". What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.


You might not be wrong, but applying that excuse to people that actually work hard and don't get a living wage for it is kind of sickening.
 
2013-06-18 06:56:08 PM

limeyfellow: One day the US may catch up with the vacation time of worker's paradise like China


Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.
 
2013-06-18 06:57:37 PM

Feltonl: Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.


Maybe you can go back with them to Zamunda. Working conditions seem to be better there.
/except for the attendants who wash the royal penis
//but if you're into that sort of thing
 
2013-06-18 06:57:47 PM

Slartibartfaster: Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.


Cause communism!1!!!!  *sigh*
 
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