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2013-06-18 04:31:25 PM

DubtodaIll: I've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.


I guess you have never been anywhere long enough to have a new boss then. Time for a cool story younguns. Gather round. I was at a job one time and this contractor came in. It was horrible. This guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Wasn't long before he was sent packing. Fast forward about a month. Come in to work and we were all shuffled into a conference room. We were told our old boss was let go this morning and introduced to the new boss. Take a guess. Yup, the contractor. Turns out he was a friend of the owners son. I made a few phone calls at lunch and had another job by about 1PM. Told the owner I needed to have a chat with him that afternoon and in the meeting gave my resignation on the spot. Told him I would never under any circumstances work for that guy and why. That was a Thursday. Took Friday off and started the new job on Monday. Now you all get back to work or playing video games, whatever it is you were doing.
 
2013-06-18 04:33:26 PM
I dunno, I love my job.  Good pay, great benefits, and I get to make video games.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:17 PM

Somaticasual: That got a cynical hearty laugh..well played.

//"or trip over it trying"


I prefer to think of myself as realistic rather than cynnical.

People want something, it comes at a cost.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:38 PM

MayoSlather: Smelly Pirate Hooker: The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.

About that...

Most jobs in our country are completely unnecessary. With our current technology we can produce enough food, clothing, housing, and materials to stock our shelves with a small amount of the total workforce employed. The average person should only work about 20hrs a week and retire at 50. But hey, having a pharmacy on every corner, fast food open 24/7, and legions of miserable people pushing paper work around to make money for the sake of making money is totally worth it.

The problem is that we are slaves to our capitalism; it's a beast that requires exponential growth from companies or they are considered a failure. As a result employees will always be paid far less than what they are worth to a company, and they will always be pushed harder no matter what level of efficiency is achieved.


Agreed.  The other part is we construct our own hamster wheel.  The "busy" existence we create for ourselves is almost entirely self imposed.

My parents are retirement age, and I keep imploring them to retire because they both seem stressed out/miserable.  They claim they can't afford to retire, because the cost of living is so much more today than what they originally planned for.    When I was growing up we only had free broadcast TV in the house with 3 channels, and now they have a $185/month DirectTV satellite bill.   They both have an iPhone 5, complete with expensive unlimited data and calling plans, but they get gouged on home internet access (sadly they're just tech savy enough to consume premium products, not tech savy enough to know how to cut corners).    We used to just check out books at the public library for information and entertainment.   On and on and on.    The truth is they've just grown accustomed to a certain level of consumption that they can't sustain unless they keep working to feed the beast.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:51 PM
So, if you take the capitalist component, a robust and regulated engine for producing actual wealth through capital investment, add the socialist component, distribution of necessary goods and services to the populace through central fiscal management, and add a dollop of communism (but not too much, cause it's a pretty sketchy idea) and utilize people according to their abilities and reward them according to their needs, on paper, nobody gets f*cked.  I mean, surely the 1% would roll tanks in the street at the thought of not being The F*cking Elite Who have Authority® anymore, but, hey.  So?  They're not ideals, folks.  They're neither one size fits all methods of socioeconomic management nor patriotic statements.  They're components.  And up to their collective unimpeachableness is user errors.
 
2013-06-18 04:36:06 PM

Two16: Sounds like 70% of Americans need to buy a pair of these and start pullin'.

[www.lemen.com image 340x400]


So I have a good job, not great but good, and I don't see any raises. I work more OT to supplement the rising cost of goods and I work hard, which mean less sleep, more hours away from my family and more taxes taken out of my check. How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:11 PM

Demonrats: The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.

In the 80's my dad was laid off from the Big Yellow Kitty and worked for a local hardware store. The owner talked everyone into taking straight time for over time instead of 1.5 x hourly wages and also only gave out a yearly raise of $0.05/hour. The man is a multimillionaire and would talk about how bad things were. The owner now has cancer and I am OK with that.


I wonder if I could make money by having people send me the names of their old bosses ,or whomever made their lives hell, that now have terminal diseases and pay me to mock them as they die?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:16 PM

capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.
 
2013-06-18 04:36:37 PM

Do the needful: Told the owner I needed to have a chat with him that afternoon and in the meeting gave my resignation on the spot. Told him I would never under any circumstances work for that guy and why. That was a Thursday. Took Friday off and started the new job on Monday.


Typical socialist... didn't even give two weeks notice!

/ they want two weeks notice when you quit
// but when they fire you.... it's all "at will"
 
2013-06-18 04:37:57 PM

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!

So why aren't you fixing all these problems? If the boss sucks, and you believe you're competent enough to take his job, go to his boss, lay out all the problems, and explain how you would go about fixing them.  Do your research, show your boss' boss how your efforts would help the business and convince him/her that you're the person to do it.  Be prepared to fail, but being that you're prepared to fail you're more prepared than your boss who is already failing, so therefore, you should win.
Of course all this takes a lot of non-compensated effort and work on your part which is a hard sell to yourself.


That's a nice sentiment, but it doesn't work when your boss is close friends with your boss' boss.  It also doesn't work when most of the incompetent people at your work still have jobs because they all go to the same church as your boss' boss' boss.  Old boy's network wins the day.

Think that this kind of business model will fail? Sure, I think so, too.  But the question isn't, "Will it fail." The question is, "How long will it take to fail."  If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?
 
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2013-06-18 04:39:41 PM

DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.


Huh?  So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Well.. I am glad life is better on your planet then.
 
2013-06-18 04:39:58 PM

Supercampion: How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?


Sounds like you're just tugging on the bootstraps; are you "hustlin' and grindin' 24/7"?
 
2013-06-18 04:40:40 PM

mgshamster: If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?


"America!  You can still slide into the winner's circle before the sh*t starts filling up your shoes!™"  Act now!
 
2013-06-18 04:41:10 PM
Graffiti - Monday doesn't suck, Mondays are great, it's your job that sucks.
 
2013-06-18 04:42:18 PM

Lexx: ronaprhys: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.

70% of America would KILL to have your job.


but only 3% is smart enough to actually complete the required job functions...
 
2013-06-18 04:42:39 PM

bunner: mgshamster: If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?

"America!  You can still slide into the winner's circle before the sh*t starts filling up your shoes!™"  Act now!


I lol'd
 
2013-06-18 04:43:11 PM
Keep voting conservative Republican, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly be among the robber barons of the Second Gilded Age.
 
2013-06-18 04:44:07 PM

capt.hollister: Meantime in Canada:

I am currently on a 4-month sick leave after gaining 5 new screws in my right foot (triple arthrodesis surgery). My daily concerns are getting around on crutches without damaging myself or the furniture and making sure I don't put any weight on my cast. I am also concerned with keeping my mind busy while my body heals. What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds, and salary (the latter is thanks to private insurance, but the former is thanks to public healthcare).  Not only that, but when I return to work at the end of the summer, I still have a few weeks paid vacation to take.

The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


Our mindset is that if you're poor you deserve to be poor and God hates you and you're a lazy moocher driving a Cadillac.
 
2013-06-18 04:45:09 PM
I'm curious as to how many of those 70% are frontline salaried managers. You know, the ones that work 60-80 hours a week only to see their incentive programs lessened each year or barriers put up that make it near impossible to justify the work to earn the incentive. But they will be the first to get the threatening phone call if everything isn't 100% perfect.
 
2013-06-18 04:45:48 PM

ComicBookGuy: Keep voting conservative Republican, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly be among the robber barons of the Second Gilded Age.


And hey, even if they really don't save you a seat in the getaway car, you can always say "See that filthy rich guy?  I used to kiss his ass like the pope's  ring finger."
 
2013-06-18 04:47:21 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Our mindset is that if you're poor you deserve to be poor and God hates you and you're a lazy moocher driving a Cadillac.


Your hyperbole would've been perfect if you had included something about welfare and/or foodstamps.
 
2013-06-18 04:51:47 PM
Filthy rich people keep getting filthy richer because they ill use us for money.

Money is, essentially, uncollectable IOUs for actual wealth that all the filthy rich people have handily purchased and scraped the paint off of.

The people who ill use us for money make sure that this worthless scrip is the ONLY access to EVERYTHING and, bonus, their friends print it.

Every four years, we gather ourselves up, put on our fancy go to meetin' clothes and vote to keep things just the way they are.  Ha ha.
 
2013-06-18 04:53:00 PM

bunner: So, if you take the capitalist component, a robust and regulated engine for producing actual wealth through capital investment, add the socialist component, distribution of necessary goods and services to the populace through central fiscal management, and add a dollop of communism (but not too much, cause it's a pretty sketchy idea) and utilize people according to their abilities and reward them according to their needs, on paper, nobody gets f*cked.  I mean, surely the 1% would roll tanks in the street at the thought of not being The F*cking Elite Who have Authority® anymore, but, hey.  So?  They're not ideals, folks.  They're neither one size fits all methods of socioeconomic management nor patriotic statements.  They're components.  And up to their collective unimpeachableness is user errors.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 04:53:18 PM

capt.hollister: . What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds... thanks to public healthcare).


I'm not concerned with those either, as I have private health insurance.

I actually shopped it out and purchased it myself.

It's not so terrible, but it would be even less terrible if the premium deductions were 100% tax deductible right off the top (not this 7.5% of AGI including incurred expenses over the year B.S.).
 
2013-06-18 04:53:48 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Supercampion: How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?

Sounds like you're just tugging on the bootstraps; are you "hustlin' and grindin' 24/7"?


I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.
 
2013-06-18 04:54:14 PM
I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.
 
2013-06-18 04:55:36 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?
 
2013-06-18 04:56:58 PM

Supercampion: I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.


What you need, young man, is DEBT!  A huge wad of clumsy, ever increasing debt that we can use to leverage what little wealth you may have away from you when you are aged and of hoary head!  I mean, what does it matter?  Debt can get you what you need NOW and hey, when you get that old, you ain't gonna really NEED much, are you?
 
2013-06-18 04:57:16 PM

bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.


as do I
 
2013-06-18 04:58:40 PM

Supercampion: Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?


Whenever people are too fed up with bigger problems to give a fark about the latest Sony vs. Microsoft video game console or whether the latest crappy Hollywood comic book movie properly addressed the original cannon.

Judging by Fark threads, not any time soon.
 
2013-06-18 04:58:53 PM

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Try telling that to management.

//For the record and the IT monitors, I am happy with my salary.
 
2013-06-18 04:59:06 PM

johnny_vegas: bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.

as do I


But was there some sort of message there?  Some snark I overlooked?  A semiotic message to the overworked?  I gotta sleep tonight, man.  :  )
 
2013-06-18 04:59:25 PM

bunner: Supercampion: I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.

What you need, young man, is DEBT!  A huge wad of clumsy, ever increasing debt that we can use to leverage what little wealth you may have away from you when you are aged and of hoary head!  I mean, what does it matter?  Debt can get you what you need NOW and hey, when you get that old, you ain't gonna really NEED much, are you?


Just clawed my way out not to long ago...DEBT is the worst.
 
2013-06-18 04:59:42 PM

Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.


To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.
 
2013-06-18 05:00:39 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.

Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.

People are always going to bitach about something


Case in point: YOU.
 
2013-06-18 05:01:03 PM
13 years in same job. 4 weeks Vaca and 4 weeks sick built up. Looking for new work and to move. Sometimes you just need a change. And if your skills are marketable, why feel guilty
 
2013-06-18 05:02:39 PM

Capo Del Bandito: At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.


Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.

The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.
 
2013-06-18 05:02:39 PM

Supercampion: Just clawed my way out not to long ago...DEBT is the worst.


Sort of my point.  Yay for the no debt thing.
 
2013-06-18 05:03:28 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Case in point: YOU.


Hush.  You sound like the guy who farts at parties and then laughs.
 
2013-06-18 05:03:57 PM
"We like to think of ourselves as a family here at OmniGlobal Megacorp."

(A family where working harder benefits deadbeat daddy way more than the rest of the family, and you can be kicked out if they find a cheaper son/daughter to raise)
 
2013-06-18 05:04:05 PM

capt.hollister: Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.

To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.


As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.
 
2013-06-18 05:05:21 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Yeah, history shows that it's called "revolution".

Say what you will about that, but it's there.
 
2013-06-18 05:05:41 PM

TomD9938: capt.hollister: . What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds... thanks to public healthcare).

I'm not concerned with those either, as I have private health insurance.

I actually shopped it out and purchased it myself.

It's not so terrible, but it would be even less terrible if the premium deductions were 100% tax deductible right off the top (not this 7.5% of AGI including incurred expenses over the year B.S.).


I know that many of you (perhaps most) have private health insurance. But what happens if you are unemployed ? What happens if you or a member of your family requires major surgery ? will you still be insurable ? and if yes, will you still be able to afford the premiums ?
 
2013-06-18 05:05:56 PM

capt.hollister: To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.


You sound like you believe in fair play, equality for all, all that nice stuff.

I'm a bit more realistic, and if people can't get it, it's sucks, and it's bad, but that's life. I believe people should help one another and if they can't, having the government impose it's will 'for the good of the people' is utter bullshiat.

But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.

Been starving and jobless before. Builds character.
 
2013-06-18 05:08:54 PM
I liked my job but more importantly I genuinely liked the people I worked for and with at this job. Then we were purchased by a publicly traded company, their IT department took over mine and I realized very quickly that I was being directed to stop giving the kind of support (transparent, honest, cost saving and beneficial) that my sites had grown accustomed. I quit at the end of Feb and have taken a much needed vacation.
Unfortunately, the vacation has taken longer than it should have and I'm back to living off of my credit card while looking for a new gig.
There's my CSB. Guess it's time to learn *nix.
 
2013-06-18 05:11:55 PM
70% still wouldn't give a crap about their work if their pay was trebled, they had free health care, and got a month's paid vacation per year.  Those things have nothing to do with the fact that it's impossible to match everyone up with work that interests them.
 
2013-06-18 05:12:59 PM

bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.


It's not easy being green?
 
2013-06-18 05:13:20 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Yeah but why put the going rate UP when I can phone Whirpol?

It's a good theory now the guy had better get back to work or they'll outsource his interchangeable ass.

/Doesn't want to hear your whining.
//Saved money.
///That's all that matters.   Really it is.
 
2013-06-18 05:13:37 PM

bunner: johnny_vegas: bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.

as do I

But was there some sort of message there?  Some snark I overlooked?  A semiotic message to the overworked?  I gotta sleep tonight, man.  :  )


i attempted to be as obtuse as possible...plus fozzie is a marxist

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-18 05:15:33 PM

johnny_vegas: i attempted to be as obtuse as possible...plus fozzie is a marxist


So was Marx.
 
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