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2013-06-18 04:08:24 PM  
I'm actually very happy with the company I work for.  They gave me a great package from the start, and I ain't complaining.  And this is the thing...   I worked as a contractor for WAY too many years.  And for that, the pay was good, but there were zero perks.  No vactation, sick time, or medical benefits.

This is the first time I've had a full time gig in a long time.  On top of that, I'm doing a different kind of work.  I used to just be doing web development.  I really got up to my eyeballs with the annoyance of that.  Mostly because technology keeps changing, and employers don't really know what they want.  I'd get hired to do PHP development, and find out what they really meant was .NET with an MVC framework, and tons of JQuerry...  Pfft....

So lump me in with the 30% that is actually happy and grateful.
 
2013-06-18 04:08:41 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?


That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.
 
2013-06-18 04:09:22 PM  

Iblis824: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.


How dare you use your full allotted vacation time you socialist swine!
 
2013-06-18 04:09:30 PM  
Fair pay?   Reasonable hours and health care?

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2013-06-18 04:10:46 PM  

abrannan: How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?


exactly.  i'd be gone in a heartbeat.  and, an unemployed ct/mri tech would take my job.

i don't need the income from my job anymore...i could easily get  by with a lot less.  but i cannot get by without healthcare.
 
2013-06-18 04:10:55 PM  
I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013
 
2013-06-18 04:11:05 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


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And they say people don't pay attention.
 
2013-06-18 04:11:35 PM  

Lexx: Capo Del Bandito: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.

A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


Well....I do hate old people and kids. The gov't wouldn't need that extra money as the folks that use it the most would likely die off, plus they don't know how to spend it appropriately anyway.  I'm OK with the rest.
 
2013-06-18 04:11:54 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


That's an excellent question and deserves due attention by policymakers and potential entrepenuers alike, and therefore has no place in a fark thread.

/I kid
//damn good question though
 
2013-06-18 04:12:06 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


I would be interested in some examples on that one.
 
2013-06-18 04:13:06 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


Don't worry. One day the US may catch up with the vacation time of worker's paradise like China and Bangladesh. Oh who am I kidding?
 
2013-06-18 04:13:20 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


also very correct.
 
2013-06-18 04:13:55 PM  

Feltonl: Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.


There's farkin' room to move as a fry cook. I could be manager in two years. King. God.
 
2013-06-18 04:14:18 PM  

Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.


Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.
 
2013-06-18 04:14:20 PM  
Let's face it, y'all.  This is the logical apex of the present criteria for being a "success" in America, anymore.

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2013-06-18 04:14:25 PM  

Lexx: A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


It's logical emotionaless thinking like that which would help make the word a better place.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?


I was unaware such a thing existed.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:58 PM  

Lexx: A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.

//but I'll give you that's definitely the "glass half full" approach to lethal epidemics..
 
2013-06-18 04:16:12 PM  
FTHL :  poll is stunned that 70 percent of Americans do not like their jobs, even though millions of workers are underpaid, overworked, don't have paid sick leave or health insurance


Last time I worked for someone, the wages, schedule, paid time off and insurance package were the only things I liked about my job.

Of course, this was way back in 1997 (a million FARK years ago)
 
2013-06-18 04:16:16 PM  
Oh, and uh, as a matter of forestalling a lot  false equivalencies and dichotomies, F*CK SOMALIA.
 
2013-06-18 04:16:46 PM  
Not sure about others, but working for a major university has taught me that 99% of the useless redundant paperwork that we produce and no one reads is generated only to stave off the possibility of lawsuits.  I swear that a HUGE amount of what a lot of people do is driven by either political bullshiat or lawyer bullshiat.  And of course we have the shiattiest computer systems on the planet because everything is given to the lowest bidder.  We also have older people who never want to change and thus in 2013 some of our forms are still CARBON COPY forms!  15 years ago I recreated every single form into an excel document and they still won't agree to use them!  So am I an unhappy worker, you better believe it.  I can't walk away because I have rent to pay and family to support.  Am i happy to have a job with benefits, yes I am.  Am I stressed out at work every day, hell yeah.  Do we ever have enough people to do our jobs properly, hell no.  Are we constantly threatened that our jobs could disappear overnight.  Yes.  I have stresses that my parents never had.  Back in their day if you did a good job, it was yours for life.  Now I see people right and left who have worked for years doing a good job kicked to the curb because of "downsizing" or a conglomerate taking over the business and kicking everyone out.  There is no such thing as job security.  Gas/water/electricity/rent/groceries go up all the time and my pay almost never goes up.  Before you tell me that I have so much more than my parents had, I do not have cable/internet access at home/vacation home etc.
 
2013-06-18 04:17:21 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.


About that...

Most jobs in our country are completely unnecessary. With our current technology we can produce enough food, clothing, housing, and materials to stock our shelves with a small amount of the total workforce employed. The average person should only work about 20hrs a week and retire at 50. But hey, having a pharmacy on every corner, fast food open 24/7, and legions of miserable people pushing paper work around to make money for the sake of making money is totally worth it.

The problem is that we are slaves to our capitalism; it's a beast that requires exponential growth from companies or they are considered a failure. As a result employees will always be paid far less than what they are worth to a company, and they will always be pushed harder no matter what level of efficiency is achieved.
 
2013-06-18 04:19:04 PM  

Somaticasual: Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.


They'll get over it.
 
2013-06-18 04:19:56 PM  
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It gets better.
 
2013-06-18 04:20:28 PM  

durbnpoisn: They gave me a great package from the start, and I ain't complaining. And this is the thing... I worked as a contractor for WAY too many years


Claims to not be complaining.... complains in the very next sentence.
 
2013-06-18 04:21:13 PM  

museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.


Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.
 
2013-06-18 04:21:33 PM  

Lexx: johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


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Good quote. Let's see if it gets any bites.


well i made it too obvious with the picture so I probably dropped the ball there
 
2013-06-18 04:21:50 PM  
The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.

In the 80's my dad was laid off from the Big Yellow Kitty and worked for a local hardware store. The owner talked everyone into taking straight time for over time instead of 1.5 x hourly wages and also only gave out a yearly raise of $0.05/hour. The man is a multimillionaire and would talk about how bad things were. The owner now has cancer and I am OK with that.
 
2013-06-18 04:23:27 PM  

meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013


Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.
 
2013-06-18 04:23:59 PM  
In the field I'm in (and I'm still in school for a higher degree)...no one is hiring full time because they don't want to give benefits. So I have 3 jobs, none of which offer any vacation, paid sick days, health insurance...nothing. I would to get health insurance, but with my student loans, I would be down to ~$150 or the month left over.

I'm just biatching because I need a vacation. I'll see myself out, thanks.
 
2013-06-18 04:24:34 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:01 PM  
*would love to get health insurance
 
2013-06-18 04:25:05 PM  

Lexx: museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.

Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.


That's true, but the rich would rather the poor starve than sell something for less than they believe it is worth. As is evidenced everyday by the amount of perfectly good food that is thrown out.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:14 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Economics 101 is propaganda and none of it is actually true.  It only works in an non-complicated macro sense with an ethically populated economy.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:16 PM  

ronaprhys: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.


70% of America would KILL to have your job.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:27 PM  
Wait, is Gallup the poll company I'm supposed to hate? They didn't seem surprised at all in the article.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:44 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


You don't understand, Mike.  That's not how it works for businesses.  They're supposed to control how much they pay for services and goods; the free market isn't supposed to apply to their costs, only their profits.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:07 PM  

DVDave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?

I was unaware such a thing existed.


This.

The last non-profit I worked for had literally billions in the bank.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:36 PM  

bbfreak: Iblis824: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.

How dare you use your full allotted vacation time you socialist swine!



I know right? I am a terrible person.  We have a string of audits that keep getting delayed, and delayed.  But, my niece is being born in July, so I've had vacation time planned to go out there. Plane tickets and everything.  The hell i'm rescheduling.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:37 PM  

megarian: *would love to get health insurance


Wait another 6 months.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:41 PM  

MayoSlather: Lexx: museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.

Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.

That's true, but the rich would rather the poor starve than sell something for less than they believe it is worth. As is evidenced everyday by the amount of perfectly good food that is thrown out.


You forget food stamps, which are basically agricultural welfare.  Sure, the rich would rather people starve than eat food they haven't paid their wealthy masters for.  With food stamps, it's the government paying the wealthy masters for the food they would have otherwise thrown out.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:09 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Somaticasual: Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.

They'll get over it.


That got a cynical hearty laugh..well played.

//"or trip over it trying"
 
2013-06-18 04:27:32 PM  
I like what I do, and I like who I work for, which is a huge improvement as my last job was absolutely awful from the management perspective.  I took a paycut to come here and I don't give a shiat about taking a little less money from people who treat me with respect and let me take my vacation time without a memo war.  The only downside is I'm in an industry that's becoming Walmartified, so organizations that treat employees and customers well rather than cutting prices to the bone by reducing quality of service aren't doing so well.  I'll ride this horse until it drops dead, though.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:45 PM  
70% of all Americans, or 70% of people asked in a particular area of America.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:47 PM  

mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.


Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.
 
2013-06-18 04:28:11 PM  
Work - the curse of the drinking class.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:02 PM  
My job is the means to do the things I enjoy.

I don't hate my job, but I don't feel obligated to like it.  I do it well, I know what I am doing and I produce a good product, but I do it so I can do what I want when I am not there.

DubtodaIll: i've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.

I don't work for an asshole, but I have in the past.  Usually bosses don't let you know they are assholes who are going to treat you like shiat and be mentally abusive until after you've been hired.

/Why yes, his business did ultimately fail after he ran off all of the smart producers. But I was long gone by then.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:48 PM  

Demonrats: The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.


Trust me, public-sector employees aren't particularly happier, even in states where salaries are in a public database and the first thing you do upon meeting a colleague in a different department is compare salaries.
 
2013-06-18 04:30:39 PM  
Meantime in Canada:

I am currently on a 4-month sick leave after gaining 5 new screws in my right foot (triple arthrodesis surgery). My daily concerns are getting around on crutches without damaging myself or the furniture and making sure I don't put any weight on my cast. I am also concerned with keeping my mind busy while my body heals. What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds, and salary (the latter is thanks to private insurance, but the former is thanks to public healthcare).  Not only that, but when I return to work at the end of the summer, I still have a few weeks paid vacation to take.

The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.
 
2013-06-18 04:30:54 PM  
70% don't even like to flush a convenience store toilet.
 
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