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(Opposing Views)   Gallup poll is stunned that 70 percent of Americans do not like their jobs, even though millions of workers are underpaid, overworked, don't have paid sick leave or health insurance   (opposingviews.com) divider line 327
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2013-06-18 02:49:41 PM  
I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.
 
2013-06-18 02:52:42 PM  
I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.
 
2013-06-18 03:23:01 PM  
And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.

Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.

People are always going to bitach about something
 
2013-06-18 03:49:41 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Please tell me where these "cheap" guns and ammo are.
 
2013-06-18 03:50:01 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something


Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?
 
2013-06-18 03:51:14 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


A lot of people lack perspective.
 
2013-06-18 03:51:19 PM  

PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?


Those are two different things?
 
2013-06-18 03:53:34 PM  

DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?


I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?
 
2013-06-18 03:54:09 PM  

Do the needful: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

Please tell me where these "cheap" guns and ammo are.


(In best Scruffy voice) SECOND
 
2013-06-18 03:54:56 PM  
Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.
 
2013-06-18 03:55:24 PM  
Where do I get my free Obamaphone at  ??

I'm po
 
2013-06-18 03:55:39 PM  
I am well paid (although my net pay has dropped the last 3 years) and I have great benefits, but I'm still not terribly thrilled about my job.
 
2013-06-18 03:55:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?


Oh man, non-profits, best pseudonymous business model evar!
 
2013-06-18 03:55:51 PM  
Sounds like 70% of Americans need to buy a pair of these and start pullin'.

www.lemen.com
 
2013-06-18 03:55:51 PM  
Years ago I had a boss that efter chewing the crew out for something one of his hires did told us that we were lucky to work for him. And if he wanted he would have a line around the building with 30 people to replace each one of us that would be happy to work for him. He was a delusional ahole that got fired for sexual harassment. He is a pastor now from what I hear.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:06 PM  
That sounds high
 
2013-06-18 03:56:17 PM  

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?


It's possible to have a completely toxic workplace that kills moral and still bring in most of the money you would have made if it wasn't so toxic.  It's a short term strategy, but that's all anyone does anymore.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:48 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:52 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.  That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits).  Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people.  They would pretty much say, "You don't like it?  I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning."

And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:05 PM  
Or have to pay more for health insurance because of government interference.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:20 PM  

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?


Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!
 
2013-06-18 03:57:48 PM  
Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:55 PM  
Money was invented to convince people who do boring or dangerous things to attempt them or coerce them into doing it for the rest of their lives. Without any incentives no one would get anything done (me first).
 
2013-06-18 03:58:07 PM  
When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:11 PM  
If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?
 
2013-06-18 03:58:23 PM  
not to mention, every time I have to take a day off, I am reminded by at least 3 people to tell someone else I'll be leaving, and how I'm inconveniencing the company, since I'm the only person who does my job.  Also, I occasionally get texted on my days off and even on sick days to ask about job related crap.  Why should I give a shiat if I'm not there.  It's not like I don't care about my job, but I only care about it when I'm there.  It's my farking life, I just work for you.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:38 PM  

lewismarktwo: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

It's possible to have a completely toxic workplace that kills moral and still bring in most of the money you would have made if it wasn't so toxic.  It's a short term strategy, but that's all anyone does anymore.


I've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:41 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


One doesn't have anything to do with the other as the gov't doesn't subsidize either for people. Except of course those who use their EBT cards as ATM cards and buy both for cash. But i get the feeling that you weren't talking about those people.

Though i don't know why anyone would be complaining what with the economy (stock market) doing so well (propped up on cheap money).
 
2013-06-18 03:58:59 PM  
frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


robot6.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-06-18 03:59:13 PM  
The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.

Because there just aren't that many ice cream taster or Victoria's Secret photographer or international man of mystery jobs to go around.

If you don't hate going to work every day, you're actually somewhat ahead of the game.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:22 PM  
The US has the worst vacation policy of any industrial country.  In fact the United States is the only developed country that doesn't guarantee its workers either paid vacation or holidays.

It comes from the protestant backbone in this country and clearly a lot of people don't agree with that mentality.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:38 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:55 PM  

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


[robot6.comicbookresources.com image 240x240]


Good quote. Let's see if it gets any bites.
 
2013-06-18 04:00:38 PM  
We're just ungrateful little farkers, aren't we?  No love for the job creators, even though we'd be out on the street without them.

No wonder they hate us and want to take away our rights.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:12 PM  
If people would just stop asking us for stuff, we'd all be fine.  Just kidding, we'd still hate our jobs due to boredom.  No one likes to spend 40+ hours per week doing anything.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:12 PM  

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


I am lucky.  I have a second job that I would and have done for free.  Still have a pretty great time doing it.

Don't mean to smarm, but this thread is getting to be a bit of a downer.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:17 PM  
This is why I never really get worked up over unemployment numbers while people acted like it was such a crime against humanity that people were dropping out of the work force and retiring.    Many people just decided that it wasn't worth it to go back into the workplace at the going market rate for their job skills.  Good.     The goal in life shouldn't necessarily be to work until the day you drop dead.    Many people feel like they have to keep working because they refuse to cut back on their consumption/spending to more sustainable and realistic levels.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:20 PM  
Lowball your employees and you'll receive muted enthusiasm and underwhelming returns. Quid pro quo.

/You get what you pay for
 
2013-06-18 04:01:23 PM  
also, the last time I was actually sick I had to take a couple days off because my voice was gone and I talk on the phone for a living.  I hadn't taken a sick day in almost 2 years prior to that, but when I came back I got treated like some kind of goldbrick because I happened to get sick Memorial Day weekend, so I got an "extra day off".  Sitting in the shower with what used to be food coming out of both ends wasn't exactly my idea of "time off"
 
2013-06-18 04:01:29 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:49 PM  

PizzaJedi81: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!


So why aren't you fixing all these problems? If the boss sucks, and you believe you're competent enough to take his job, go to his boss, lay out all the problems, and explain how you would go about fixing them.  Do your research, show your boss' boss how your efforts would help the business and convince him/her that you're the person to do it.  Be prepared to fail, but being that you're prepared to fail you're more prepared than your boss who is already failing, so therefore, you should win.
Of course all this takes a lot of non-compensated effort and work on your part which is a hard sell to yourself.
 
2013-06-18 04:02:04 PM  
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2013-06-18 04:02:33 PM  

illannoyin: When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.


Funny thing about weekends when you're unemployed.  They don't mean quite so much.  Except you get to hang out with your working friends.
-Les Claypool
 
2013-06-18 04:03:18 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.


You need to get over yourself.  You live in a country where employeers are not even allowed to own workers anymore!  And you complain?  Disgusting.  At the ends of some weeks, most of my workers owe me money.
 
2013-06-18 04:03:49 PM  
I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.
 
2013-06-18 04:03:55 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.


A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!
 
2013-06-18 04:05:13 PM  
Sounds like a pollster hates their job.

/Case of the Mondays?
 
2013-06-18 04:05:28 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


I hope it starts in your neighborhood, and you get yours first.  Hey, you're right. Problem solved.
 
2013-06-18 04:06:58 PM  
as capitalism and greed go skipping into the sunset hand and hand singing happy days are here again.
 
2013-06-18 04:07:27 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Sounds like someone watched "The Purge".
 
2013-06-18 04:08:24 PM  
I'm actually very happy with the company I work for.  They gave me a great package from the start, and I ain't complaining.  And this is the thing...   I worked as a contractor for WAY too many years.  And for that, the pay was good, but there were zero perks.  No vactation, sick time, or medical benefits.

This is the first time I've had a full time gig in a long time.  On top of that, I'm doing a different kind of work.  I used to just be doing web development.  I really got up to my eyeballs with the annoyance of that.  Mostly because technology keeps changing, and employers don't really know what they want.  I'd get hired to do PHP development, and find out what they really meant was .NET with an MVC framework, and tons of JQuerry...  Pfft....

So lump me in with the 30% that is actually happy and grateful.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 04:08:41 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?


That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.
 
2013-06-18 04:09:22 PM  

Iblis824: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.


How dare you use your full allotted vacation time you socialist swine!
 
2013-06-18 04:09:30 PM  
Fair pay?   Reasonable hours and health care?

Communiss, soshliss obamuniss heathen Marxism!!11!!1!

Now yew get back to work and you worry and you fear for your livelihood and you work 10 hours a day and you take work home and you make me MONEY!  Lots of money, and I'll rub it on my whore and and on little boys' bottoms and roll in it and f*ck it and stuff it in my bottom and pee in it and oh, oh.. ohhhh money!   MOAR MONEY!  Oh, ohhhh, monnnneeeyyyyyyyyy.

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2013-06-18 04:10:46 PM  

abrannan: How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?


exactly.  i'd be gone in a heartbeat.  and, an unemployed ct/mri tech would take my job.

i don't need the income from my job anymore...i could easily get  by with a lot less.  but i cannot get by without healthcare.
 
2013-06-18 04:10:55 PM  
I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013
 
2013-06-18 04:11:05 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


coachotis.files.wordpress.com

And they say people don't pay attention.
 
2013-06-18 04:11:35 PM  

Lexx: Capo Del Bandito: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.

A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


Well....I do hate old people and kids. The gov't wouldn't need that extra money as the folks that use it the most would likely die off, plus they don't know how to spend it appropriately anyway.  I'm OK with the rest.
 
2013-06-18 04:11:54 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


That's an excellent question and deserves due attention by policymakers and potential entrepenuers alike, and therefore has no place in a fark thread.

/I kid
//damn good question though
 
2013-06-18 04:12:06 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


I would be interested in some examples on that one.
 
2013-06-18 04:13:06 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


Don't worry. One day the US may catch up with the vacation time of worker's paradise like China and Bangladesh. Oh who am I kidding?
 
2013-06-18 04:13:20 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


also very correct.
 
2013-06-18 04:13:55 PM  

Feltonl: Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.


There's farkin' room to move as a fry cook. I could be manager in two years. King. God.
 
2013-06-18 04:14:18 PM  

Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.


Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.
 
2013-06-18 04:14:20 PM  
Let's face it, y'all.  This is the logical apex of the present criteria for being a "success" in America, anymore.

www.duneinfo.com
 
2013-06-18 04:14:25 PM  

Lexx: A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


It's logical emotionaless thinking like that which would help make the word a better place.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?


I was unaware such a thing existed.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:58 PM  

Lexx: A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!


Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.

//but I'll give you that's definitely the "glass half full" approach to lethal epidemics..
 
2013-06-18 04:16:12 PM  
FTHL :  poll is stunned that 70 percent of Americans do not like their jobs, even though millions of workers are underpaid, overworked, don't have paid sick leave or health insurance


Last time I worked for someone, the wages, schedule, paid time off and insurance package were the only things I liked about my job.

Of course, this was way back in 1997 (a million FARK years ago)
 
2013-06-18 04:16:16 PM  
Oh, and uh, as a matter of forestalling a lot  false equivalencies and dichotomies, F*CK SOMALIA.
 
2013-06-18 04:16:46 PM  
Not sure about others, but working for a major university has taught me that 99% of the useless redundant paperwork that we produce and no one reads is generated only to stave off the possibility of lawsuits.  I swear that a HUGE amount of what a lot of people do is driven by either political bullshiat or lawyer bullshiat.  And of course we have the shiattiest computer systems on the planet because everything is given to the lowest bidder.  We also have older people who never want to change and thus in 2013 some of our forms are still CARBON COPY forms!  15 years ago I recreated every single form into an excel document and they still won't agree to use them!  So am I an unhappy worker, you better believe it.  I can't walk away because I have rent to pay and family to support.  Am i happy to have a job with benefits, yes I am.  Am I stressed out at work every day, hell yeah.  Do we ever have enough people to do our jobs properly, hell no.  Are we constantly threatened that our jobs could disappear overnight.  Yes.  I have stresses that my parents never had.  Back in their day if you did a good job, it was yours for life.  Now I see people right and left who have worked for years doing a good job kicked to the curb because of "downsizing" or a conglomerate taking over the business and kicking everyone out.  There is no such thing as job security.  Gas/water/electricity/rent/groceries go up all the time and my pay almost never goes up.  Before you tell me that I have so much more than my parents had, I do not have cable/internet access at home/vacation home etc.
 
2013-06-18 04:17:21 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.


About that...

Most jobs in our country are completely unnecessary. With our current technology we can produce enough food, clothing, housing, and materials to stock our shelves with a small amount of the total workforce employed. The average person should only work about 20hrs a week and retire at 50. But hey, having a pharmacy on every corner, fast food open 24/7, and legions of miserable people pushing paper work around to make money for the sake of making money is totally worth it.

The problem is that we are slaves to our capitalism; it's a beast that requires exponential growth from companies or they are considered a failure. As a result employees will always be paid far less than what they are worth to a company, and they will always be pushed harder no matter what level of efficiency is achieved.
 
2013-06-18 04:19:04 PM  

Somaticasual: Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.


They'll get over it.
 
2013-06-18 04:19:56 PM  
i.imgur.com


It gets better.
 
2013-06-18 04:20:28 PM  

durbnpoisn: They gave me a great package from the start, and I ain't complaining. And this is the thing... I worked as a contractor for WAY too many years


Claims to not be complaining.... complains in the very next sentence.
 
2013-06-18 04:21:13 PM  

museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.


Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.
 
2013-06-18 04:21:33 PM  

Lexx: johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


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Good quote. Let's see if it gets any bites.


well i made it too obvious with the picture so I probably dropped the ball there
 
2013-06-18 04:21:50 PM  
The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.

In the 80's my dad was laid off from the Big Yellow Kitty and worked for a local hardware store. The owner talked everyone into taking straight time for over time instead of 1.5 x hourly wages and also only gave out a yearly raise of $0.05/hour. The man is a multimillionaire and would talk about how bad things were. The owner now has cancer and I am OK with that.
 
2013-06-18 04:23:27 PM  

meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013


Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.
 
2013-06-18 04:23:59 PM  
In the field I'm in (and I'm still in school for a higher degree)...no one is hiring full time because they don't want to give benefits. So I have 3 jobs, none of which offer any vacation, paid sick days, health insurance...nothing. I would to get health insurance, but with my student loans, I would be down to ~$150 or the month left over.

I'm just biatching because I need a vacation. I'll see myself out, thanks.
 
2013-06-18 04:24:34 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:01 PM  
*would love to get health insurance
 
2013-06-18 04:25:05 PM  

Lexx: museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.

Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.


That's true, but the rich would rather the poor starve than sell something for less than they believe it is worth. As is evidenced everyday by the amount of perfectly good food that is thrown out.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:14 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Economics 101 is propaganda and none of it is actually true.  It only works in an non-complicated macro sense with an ethically populated economy.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:16 PM  

ronaprhys: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.


70% of America would KILL to have your job.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:27 PM  
Wait, is Gallup the poll company I'm supposed to hate? They didn't seem surprised at all in the article.
 
2013-06-18 04:25:44 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


You don't understand, Mike.  That's not how it works for businesses.  They're supposed to control how much they pay for services and goods; the free market isn't supposed to apply to their costs, only their profits.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:07 PM  

DVDave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?

I was unaware such a thing existed.


This.

The last non-profit I worked for had literally billions in the bank.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:36 PM  

bbfreak: Iblis824: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.

How dare you use your full allotted vacation time you socialist swine!



I know right? I am a terrible person.  We have a string of audits that keep getting delayed, and delayed.  But, my niece is being born in July, so I've had vacation time planned to go out there. Plane tickets and everything.  The hell i'm rescheduling.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:37 PM  

megarian: *would love to get health insurance


Wait another 6 months.
 
2013-06-18 04:26:41 PM  

MayoSlather: Lexx: museamused: Lexx: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.

Until they start going hungry.  Parents with hungry children have a lot of fight in 'em.

Won't happen, North America's agricultural base is ginormous.

That's true, but the rich would rather the poor starve than sell something for less than they believe it is worth. As is evidenced everyday by the amount of perfectly good food that is thrown out.


You forget food stamps, which are basically agricultural welfare.  Sure, the rich would rather people starve than eat food they haven't paid their wealthy masters for.  With food stamps, it's the government paying the wealthy masters for the food they would have otherwise thrown out.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:09 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Somaticasual: Call me old fashioned, but I'm not sure most people want their newfound healthcare to come at the cost of a mass burial of folks that used to be their neighbors.

They'll get over it.


That got a cynical hearty laugh..well played.

//"or trip over it trying"
 
2013-06-18 04:27:32 PM  
I like what I do, and I like who I work for, which is a huge improvement as my last job was absolutely awful from the management perspective.  I took a paycut to come here and I don't give a shiat about taking a little less money from people who treat me with respect and let me take my vacation time without a memo war.  The only downside is I'm in an industry that's becoming Walmartified, so organizations that treat employees and customers well rather than cutting prices to the bone by reducing quality of service aren't doing so well.  I'll ride this horse until it drops dead, though.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:45 PM  
70% of all Americans, or 70% of people asked in a particular area of America.
 
2013-06-18 04:27:47 PM  

mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.


Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.
 
2013-06-18 04:28:11 PM  
Work - the curse of the drinking class.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:02 PM  
My job is the means to do the things I enjoy.

I don't hate my job, but I don't feel obligated to like it.  I do it well, I know what I am doing and I produce a good product, but I do it so I can do what I want when I am not there.

DubtodaIll: i've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.

I don't work for an asshole, but I have in the past.  Usually bosses don't let you know they are assholes who are going to treat you like shiat and be mentally abusive until after you've been hired.

/Why yes, his business did ultimately fail after he ran off all of the smart producers. But I was long gone by then.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:48 PM  

Demonrats: The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.


Trust me, public-sector employees aren't particularly happier, even in states where salaries are in a public database and the first thing you do upon meeting a colleague in a different department is compare salaries.
 
2013-06-18 04:30:39 PM  
Meantime in Canada:

I am currently on a 4-month sick leave after gaining 5 new screws in my right foot (triple arthrodesis surgery). My daily concerns are getting around on crutches without damaging myself or the furniture and making sure I don't put any weight on my cast. I am also concerned with keeping my mind busy while my body heals. What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds, and salary (the latter is thanks to private insurance, but the former is thanks to public healthcare).  Not only that, but when I return to work at the end of the summer, I still have a few weeks paid vacation to take.

The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.
 
2013-06-18 04:30:54 PM  
70% don't even like to flush a convenience store toilet.
 
2013-06-18 04:31:25 PM  

DubtodaIll: I've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.


I guess you have never been anywhere long enough to have a new boss then. Time for a cool story younguns. Gather round. I was at a job one time and this contractor came in. It was horrible. This guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Wasn't long before he was sent packing. Fast forward about a month. Come in to work and we were all shuffled into a conference room. We were told our old boss was let go this morning and introduced to the new boss. Take a guess. Yup, the contractor. Turns out he was a friend of the owners son. I made a few phone calls at lunch and had another job by about 1PM. Told the owner I needed to have a chat with him that afternoon and in the meeting gave my resignation on the spot. Told him I would never under any circumstances work for that guy and why. That was a Thursday. Took Friday off and started the new job on Monday. Now you all get back to work or playing video games, whatever it is you were doing.
 
2013-06-18 04:33:26 PM  
I dunno, I love my job.  Good pay, great benefits, and I get to make video games.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:17 PM  

Somaticasual: That got a cynical hearty laugh..well played.

//"or trip over it trying"


I prefer to think of myself as realistic rather than cynnical.

People want something, it comes at a cost.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:38 PM  

MayoSlather: Smelly Pirate Hooker: The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.

About that...

Most jobs in our country are completely unnecessary. With our current technology we can produce enough food, clothing, housing, and materials to stock our shelves with a small amount of the total workforce employed. The average person should only work about 20hrs a week and retire at 50. But hey, having a pharmacy on every corner, fast food open 24/7, and legions of miserable people pushing paper work around to make money for the sake of making money is totally worth it.

The problem is that we are slaves to our capitalism; it's a beast that requires exponential growth from companies or they are considered a failure. As a result employees will always be paid far less than what they are worth to a company, and they will always be pushed harder no matter what level of efficiency is achieved.


Agreed.  The other part is we construct our own hamster wheel.  The "busy" existence we create for ourselves is almost entirely self imposed.

My parents are retirement age, and I keep imploring them to retire because they both seem stressed out/miserable.  They claim they can't afford to retire, because the cost of living is so much more today than what they originally planned for.    When I was growing up we only had free broadcast TV in the house with 3 channels, and now they have a $185/month DirectTV satellite bill.   They both have an iPhone 5, complete with expensive unlimited data and calling plans, but they get gouged on home internet access (sadly they're just tech savy enough to consume premium products, not tech savy enough to know how to cut corners).    We used to just check out books at the public library for information and entertainment.   On and on and on.    The truth is they've just grown accustomed to a certain level of consumption that they can't sustain unless they keep working to feed the beast.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:51 PM  
So, if you take the capitalist component, a robust and regulated engine for producing actual wealth through capital investment, add the socialist component, distribution of necessary goods and services to the populace through central fiscal management, and add a dollop of communism (but not too much, cause it's a pretty sketchy idea) and utilize people according to their abilities and reward them according to their needs, on paper, nobody gets f*cked.  I mean, surely the 1% would roll tanks in the street at the thought of not being The F*cking Elite Who have Authority® anymore, but, hey.  So?  They're not ideals, folks.  They're neither one size fits all methods of socioeconomic management nor patriotic statements.  They're components.  And up to their collective unimpeachableness is user errors.
 
2013-06-18 04:36:06 PM  

Two16: Sounds like 70% of Americans need to buy a pair of these and start pullin'.

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So I have a good job, not great but good, and I don't see any raises. I work more OT to supplement the rising cost of goods and I work hard, which mean less sleep, more hours away from my family and more taxes taken out of my check. How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:11 PM  

Demonrats: The only thing that will make employees happy is if everyone's tax returns were made public. When my company is having a "down time" and I'm as busy as ever I would like to see what my boss is actually making when I am still as busy as ever.

In the 80's my dad was laid off from the Big Yellow Kitty and worked for a local hardware store. The owner talked everyone into taking straight time for over time instead of 1.5 x hourly wages and also only gave out a yearly raise of $0.05/hour. The man is a multimillionaire and would talk about how bad things were. The owner now has cancer and I am OK with that.


I wonder if I could make money by having people send me the names of their old bosses ,or whomever made their lives hell, that now have terminal diseases and pay me to mock them as they die?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:16 PM  

capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.
 
2013-06-18 04:36:37 PM  

Do the needful: Told the owner I needed to have a chat with him that afternoon and in the meeting gave my resignation on the spot. Told him I would never under any circumstances work for that guy and why. That was a Thursday. Took Friday off and started the new job on Monday.


Typical socialist... didn't even give two weeks notice!

/ they want two weeks notice when you quit
// but when they fire you.... it's all "at will"
 
2013-06-18 04:37:57 PM  

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!

So why aren't you fixing all these problems? If the boss sucks, and you believe you're competent enough to take his job, go to his boss, lay out all the problems, and explain how you would go about fixing them.  Do your research, show your boss' boss how your efforts would help the business and convince him/her that you're the person to do it.  Be prepared to fail, but being that you're prepared to fail you're more prepared than your boss who is already failing, so therefore, you should win.
Of course all this takes a lot of non-compensated effort and work on your part which is a hard sell to yourself.


That's a nice sentiment, but it doesn't work when your boss is close friends with your boss' boss.  It also doesn't work when most of the incompetent people at your work still have jobs because they all go to the same church as your boss' boss' boss.  Old boy's network wins the day.

Think that this kind of business model will fail? Sure, I think so, too.  But the question isn't, "Will it fail." The question is, "How long will it take to fail."  If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?
 
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2013-06-18 04:39:41 PM  

DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.


Huh?  So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Well.. I am glad life is better on your planet then.
 
2013-06-18 04:39:58 PM  

Supercampion: How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?


Sounds like you're just tugging on the bootstraps; are you "hustlin' and grindin' 24/7"?
 
2013-06-18 04:40:40 PM  

mgshamster: If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?


"America!  You can still slide into the winner's circle before the sh*t starts filling up your shoes!™"  Act now!
 
2013-06-18 04:41:10 PM  
Graffiti - Monday doesn't suck, Mondays are great, it's your job that sucks.
 
2013-06-18 04:42:18 PM  

Lexx: ronaprhys: bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.

Really.  That's odd as I've got something like 7 weeks of vacation (it's a combo of sick leave and vacation), am not discouraged from taking it in the slightest, have benefits (65% paid by the company), and while I do work diligently, I can't say that it's incredibly hard.   Do I like it?  No.  Does it pay well?  It does.  Is my boss just about as useless as tits on a boarhog?  Definitely.

70% of America would KILL to have your job.


but only 3% is smart enough to actually complete the required job functions...
 
2013-06-18 04:42:39 PM  

bunner: mgshamster: If the time frame is longer than your lifetime, then it doesn't really matter, does it?

"America!  You can still slide into the winner's circle before the sh*t starts filling up your shoes!™"  Act now!


I lol'd
 
2013-06-18 04:43:11 PM  
Keep voting conservative Republican, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly be among the robber barons of the Second Gilded Age.
 
2013-06-18 04:44:07 PM  

capt.hollister: Meantime in Canada:

I am currently on a 4-month sick leave after gaining 5 new screws in my right foot (triple arthrodesis surgery). My daily concerns are getting around on crutches without damaging myself or the furniture and making sure I don't put any weight on my cast. I am also concerned with keeping my mind busy while my body heals. What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds, and salary (the latter is thanks to private insurance, but the former is thanks to public healthcare).  Not only that, but when I return to work at the end of the summer, I still have a few weeks paid vacation to take.

The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


Our mindset is that if you're poor you deserve to be poor and God hates you and you're a lazy moocher driving a Cadillac.
 
2013-06-18 04:45:09 PM  
I'm curious as to how many of those 70% are frontline salaried managers. You know, the ones that work 60-80 hours a week only to see their incentive programs lessened each year or barriers put up that make it near impossible to justify the work to earn the incentive. But they will be the first to get the threatening phone call if everything isn't 100% perfect.
 
2013-06-18 04:45:48 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Keep voting conservative Republican, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly be among the robber barons of the Second Gilded Age.


And hey, even if they really don't save you a seat in the getaway car, you can always say "See that filthy rich guy?  I used to kiss his ass like the pope's  ring finger."
 
2013-06-18 04:47:21 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Our mindset is that if you're poor you deserve to be poor and God hates you and you're a lazy moocher driving a Cadillac.


Your hyperbole would've been perfect if you had included something about welfare and/or foodstamps.
 
2013-06-18 04:51:47 PM  
Filthy rich people keep getting filthy richer because they ill use us for money.

Money is, essentially, uncollectable IOUs for actual wealth that all the filthy rich people have handily purchased and scraped the paint off of.

The people who ill use us for money make sure that this worthless scrip is the ONLY access to EVERYTHING and, bonus, their friends print it.

Every four years, we gather ourselves up, put on our fancy go to meetin' clothes and vote to keep things just the way they are.  Ha ha.
 
2013-06-18 04:53:00 PM  

bunner: So, if you take the capitalist component, a robust and regulated engine for producing actual wealth through capital investment, add the socialist component, distribution of necessary goods and services to the populace through central fiscal management, and add a dollop of communism (but not too much, cause it's a pretty sketchy idea) and utilize people according to their abilities and reward them according to their needs, on paper, nobody gets f*cked.  I mean, surely the 1% would roll tanks in the street at the thought of not being The F*cking Elite Who have Authority® anymore, but, hey.  So?  They're not ideals, folks.  They're neither one size fits all methods of socioeconomic management nor patriotic statements.  They're components.  And up to their collective unimpeachableness is user errors.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 04:53:18 PM  

capt.hollister: . What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds... thanks to public healthcare).


I'm not concerned with those either, as I have private health insurance.

I actually shopped it out and purchased it myself.

It's not so terrible, but it would be even less terrible if the premium deductions were 100% tax deductible right off the top (not this 7.5% of AGI including incurred expenses over the year B.S.).
 
2013-06-18 04:53:48 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Supercampion: How is working harder and pulling myself up by my bootstraps helping me out?

Sounds like you're just tugging on the bootstraps; are you "hustlin' and grindin' 24/7"?


I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.
 
2013-06-18 04:54:14 PM  
I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.
 
2013-06-18 04:55:36 PM  
Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?
 
2013-06-18 04:56:58 PM  

Supercampion: I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.


What you need, young man, is DEBT!  A huge wad of clumsy, ever increasing debt that we can use to leverage what little wealth you may have away from you when you are aged and of hoary head!  I mean, what does it matter?  Debt can get you what you need NOW and hey, when you get that old, you ain't gonna really NEED much, are you?
 
2013-06-18 04:57:16 PM  

bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.


as do I
 
2013-06-18 04:58:40 PM  

Supercampion: Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?


Whenever people are too fed up with bigger problems to give a fark about the latest Sony vs. Microsoft video game console or whether the latest crappy Hollywood comic book movie properly addressed the original cannon.

Judging by Fark threads, not any time soon.
 
2013-06-18 04:58:53 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Try telling that to management.

//For the record and the IT monitors, I am happy with my salary.
 
2013-06-18 04:59:06 PM  

johnny_vegas: bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.

as do I


But was there some sort of message there?  Some snark I overlooked?  A semiotic message to the overworked?  I gotta sleep tonight, man.  :  )
 
2013-06-18 04:59:25 PM  

bunner: Supercampion: I do, it just seems the hard I work for my family the further back I'm falling.

What you need, young man, is DEBT!  A huge wad of clumsy, ever increasing debt that we can use to leverage what little wealth you may have away from you when you are aged and of hoary head!  I mean, what does it matter?  Debt can get you what you need NOW and hey, when you get that old, you ain't gonna really NEED much, are you?


Just clawed my way out not to long ago...DEBT is the worst.
 
2013-06-18 04:59:42 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.


To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.
 
2013-06-18 05:00:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.

Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.

People are always going to bitach about something


Case in point: YOU.
 
2013-06-18 05:01:03 PM  
13 years in same job. 4 weeks Vaca and 4 weeks sick built up. Looking for new work and to move. Sometimes you just need a change. And if your skills are marketable, why feel guilty
 
2013-06-18 05:02:39 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.


Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.

The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.
 
2013-06-18 05:02:39 PM  

Supercampion: Just clawed my way out not to long ago...DEBT is the worst.


Sort of my point.  Yay for the no debt thing.
 
2013-06-18 05:03:28 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Case in point: YOU.


Hush.  You sound like the guy who farts at parties and then laughs.
 
2013-06-18 05:03:57 PM  
"We like to think of ourselves as a family here at OmniGlobal Megacorp."

(A family where working harder benefits deadbeat daddy way more than the rest of the family, and you can be kicked out if they find a cheaper son/daughter to raise)
 
2013-06-18 05:04:05 PM  

capt.hollister: Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.

To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.


As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.
 
2013-06-18 05:05:21 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Yeah, history shows that it's called "revolution".

Say what you will about that, but it's there.
 
2013-06-18 05:05:41 PM  

TomD9938: capt.hollister: . What I am not concerned with is medical bills, cost of meds... thanks to public healthcare).

I'm not concerned with those either, as I have private health insurance.

I actually shopped it out and purchased it myself.

It's not so terrible, but it would be even less terrible if the premium deductions were 100% tax deductible right off the top (not this 7.5% of AGI including incurred expenses over the year B.S.).


I know that many of you (perhaps most) have private health insurance. But what happens if you are unemployed ? What happens if you or a member of your family requires major surgery ? will you still be insurable ? and if yes, will you still be able to afford the premiums ?
 
2013-06-18 05:05:56 PM  

capt.hollister: To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.


You sound like you believe in fair play, equality for all, all that nice stuff.

I'm a bit more realistic, and if people can't get it, it's sucks, and it's bad, but that's life. I believe people should help one another and if they can't, having the government impose it's will 'for the good of the people' is utter bullshiat.

But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.

Been starving and jobless before. Builds character.
 
2013-06-18 05:08:54 PM  
I liked my job but more importantly I genuinely liked the people I worked for and with at this job. Then we were purchased by a publicly traded company, their IT department took over mine and I realized very quickly that I was being directed to stop giving the kind of support (transparent, honest, cost saving and beneficial) that my sites had grown accustomed. I quit at the end of Feb and have taken a much needed vacation.
Unfortunately, the vacation has taken longer than it should have and I'm back to living off of my credit card while looking for a new gig.
There's my CSB. Guess it's time to learn *nix.
 
2013-06-18 05:11:55 PM  
70% still wouldn't give a crap about their work if their pay was trebled, they had free health care, and got a month's paid vacation per year.  Those things have nothing to do with the fact that it's impossible to match everyone up with work that interests them.
 
2013-06-18 05:12:59 PM  

bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.


It's not easy being green?
 
2013-06-18 05:13:20 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Yeah but why put the going rate UP when I can phone Whirpol?

It's a good theory now the guy had better get back to work or they'll outsource his interchangeable ass.

/Doesn't want to hear your whining.
//Saved money.
///That's all that matters.   Really it is.
 
2013-06-18 05:13:37 PM  

bunner: johnny_vegas: bunner: I'm not sure what the Muppets are for, but I like the Muppets.  So, uh, neat-o.

as do I

But was there some sort of message there?  Some snark I overlooked?  A semiotic message to the overworked?  I gotta sleep tonight, man.  :  )


i attempted to be as obtuse as possible...plus fozzie is a marxist

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-18 05:15:33 PM  

johnny_vegas: i attempted to be as obtuse as possible...plus fozzie is a marxist


So was Marx.
 
2013-06-18 05:15:50 PM  
durbnpoisn * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-18 03:56:52 PM If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence. That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits). Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people. They would pretty much say, "You don't like it? I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning." And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.
=====================================================

If companies really were in the shiatter, I could understand.

They're NOT. They're making record profits. They're scumbags, pure and simple.
 
2013-06-18 05:18:53 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


===============

Congratulations, I was in my 30s before I figured that out.

/Quit the NRA after 20 years
/Slow learner
 
2013-06-18 05:21:32 PM  
durbnpoisn:They would pretty much say, "You don't like it? I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning." And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.2.bp.blogspot.com
Hey baby, when I found you, you was nothin'.  Look at this fine crib.  You eat McDonald's twice a DAY, you ungrateful ho!  You KNOW I can trick out some biatch just as pretty as you lust like THAT, don'tcha?  You know I can.  Now go get me a coat hanger to beat you with and then get yo ass out there and make me some money, gurrrl.
 
2013-06-18 05:23:00 PM  

mike_d85: It's not easy being green?


I have a theory about that.  I think it's piss simple.  Now, being a talking frog is gonna start some sh*t.
 
2013-06-18 05:23:13 PM  

Supercampion: capt.hollister: Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.

To be honest, I still don't understand the ideology. People can and should disagree on many things, but who in their right mind would argue that it is acceptable for a family to bankrupt itself or for a breadwinner to lose his job because a member of the family needs major surgery and they or their employer can't afford the insurance ? Besides my current personal circumstance, I also have a nephew who has been battling leukaemia for the past several years, under our system his treatments and medications are all covered by society at large in the form of the taxes we all pay, under the US system his family would likely be in debt for the rest of their lives... I have no problem determining which is the better system.

Seems to me that making sure that every last member of society is provided with proper health care is exactly the sort of thing that a government should concern itself with.

As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


Absolutely. Our system can stand some improvements, the main problem being access to specialists, a situation not helped by many of them going into private clinics. I could, for example, describe the frustrating search for an orthopaedic surgeon..,  however in my personal experience, if you need urgent care, you will receive it quickly and efficiently (barring human error in recognizing your need, as the occasional news story seems to suggest).  I have occasional bouts of atrial fibrillation. It happens every few years or so. When it does, we drive to the ER in the morning, explain the situation and within a few hours I've been cardioversed and back home, usually in time for dinner. I might add that the only cost to me is for the hospital parking lot...
 
2013-06-18 05:23:30 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.


Are you against the last clause of the 6th amendment?
 
2013-06-18 05:24:42 PM  

capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.


43% favor Obamacare.
35% oppose it.
16% don't think it goes far *enough*.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/05/28/healthcarepoll.pdf

People actually lean towards having a health care safety net of some sort.
 
2013-06-18 05:26:33 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: But then I believe nobody should get anything just because they can't provide for themselves.


So I can count on you for a quick fiddy for my "kill the cripples" campaign?

Capo Del Bandito: Been starving and jobless before. Builds character.


Yeah, me too.  And you know what? Horsesh*t.  It just sucks and makes you sad and miserable until it stops sucking.
 
2013-06-18 05:26:58 PM  

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


[robot6.comicbookresources.com image 240x240]


It can also mean you worked yourself too much during the week and got sick from stress as a result.
 
2013-06-18 05:34:28 PM  

Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.
 
2013-06-18 05:37:28 PM  

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


The funny sad thing is that there is no way to opt out - there is no public land to camp on, and cities have laws disenfranchising the homeless from what little they have (a piece of sidewalk, even).

So there really is no concept of "you can't work" and that's what the business interests have lobbied to create, lyin', cheatin', and stealin' all the way.
 
2013-06-18 05:44:47 PM  

SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.


I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.
 
2013-06-18 05:45:21 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Keep voting progressive Democrats, middle-class whites.  You'll certainly enjoy the peso style devaluation of your dollars the way we keep printing them.

 
2013-06-18 05:45:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.
Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.
People are always going to bitach about something



Basically yes.  Here is a map of the Human Development Index by nation, compiled by the U.N. (2013 data shown)  It is a   "comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. " In their words.   The darker green the better people's lives in general.

You see that deep rich dark green area?  Yes, we that live there do like to spend a lot of time and energy complaining about how horrible our lives are.  How terrible we have it.  How our game console is one generation old, our plasma screen is only 52" instead of 72", and golly you mean I have to work in order to get stuff?  wtf is up with that?  I don't like work!  I should just receive stuff because I feel entitled to it.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 05:46:26 PM  

shortymac: It can also mean you worked yourself too much during the week and got sick from stress as a result.


Um... the original joke was how the Pointy Haired Boss in the comic strip was bad at math. Assuming random distribution, 40% of all sick days would be expected to be on Friday or Monday.
 
2013-06-18 05:51:01 PM  
I'm in the minority. I love my job. I like my boss. I have competent co-workers. My health insurance is paid-for by my employer. Hell, they even pay for a Disability policy for us. I get 4 weeks of paid vacation per year, as well as a week of paid PTO (Personal Time Off). I have my own office (with a door and everything), and I can come-and-go as I please. I make decent money...I don't think I'm under-paid, but I'm certainly not over-paid, either.
 
2013-06-18 05:52:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Human Development Index


=============

You can't deny that the bottom half of Americans are now losing ground.  Yes, still better off than the average Mexican, but for how much longer?
 
2013-06-18 05:59:35 PM  
Umm, if I were to "actively engage" at work the way my employer would prefer me to do, I would be helping them to get kickbacks from generic companies for actively forcing patients to use their drugs through surreptitious communications with doctors.

I would also be helping my company gather even more personal information about patients and ask them to sign electronically stating my company may use their private health info. What for exactly? Damned if I know! I know it's illegal for my company to use the info without a signature, and they won't tell me what they're using it for, so that's enough to think its probably shady at best.

I'm also supposed to direct patients to use our store brand products, which I do fairly often, but products I've used and found to be inferior? Hell no, I won't tell people who trust me for their health to use them.

In short, I am engaged in a profession which demands a higher standard of honesty and integrity than my company exhibits. I suspect many more people are similarly "disengaged", and I applaud them for it.
 
2013-06-18 06:00:17 PM  

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.


Union Thugs?  zOMG SOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-06-18 06:02:59 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.
Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.
People are always going to bitach about something


Basically yes.  Here is a map of the Human Development Index by nation, compiled by the U.N. (2013 data shown)  It is a   "comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living, and quality of life for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. " In their words.   The darker green the better people's lives in general.

You see that deep rich dark green area?  Yes, we that live there do like to spend a lot of time and energy complaining about how horrible our lives are.  How terrible we have it.  How our game console is one generation old, our plasma screen is only 52" instead of 72", and golly you mean I have to work in order to get stuff?  wtf is up with that?  I don't like work!  I should just receive stuff because I feel entitled to it.


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Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.

/Unless, of course, you're not using "entitled" in the proper usage and instead you're trying to use it like it is some sort of dirty word.
//In which case, you should have written, "...because I want it."
 
2013-06-18 06:03:12 PM  
flipter_test_2.s3.amazonaws.com

"Neau, neau, neau, dear me, boy.  You see, endless growth is the key and if we can use this.. money thing, to leverage all the actual wealth, some new thing will come along and the poors will want one.  then we'll make it in China and sell it to poors with less and less money to pay for it, and then we'll use those profits to ruin other economic sectors and the poors can replace wealth we've stolen with the money they'll have after they're done buying whatever thing it is we make in China.  Seau simple, you see.  Now fetch me a toddy and some 6 year old Costa Rican boys, like a good chap."
 
2013-06-18 06:03:28 PM  
capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

What happens if you or a member of your family requires major surgery?

Dont let your plan lapse.

will you still be insurable?

Dont let your plan lapse.

if yes, will you still be able to afford the premiums?

I dont draw any special demarcation between health, life, or automotive insurance.  It's all insurance to me.

Basic needs like food, lights, insurance, etc. during any period of unemployment should be met by a reserve fund until things normalize.

Worst case though, absolutely, the state should step up to help the destitute.  That doesnt have to mean universal coverage for all though.

Many on the right dont believe the pursuit of government health care in the U.S. is just some giant magnanimous gesture by the Democrats.  They believe it's instead meant to be an electoral tool, designed to help Democrats and Democrats only, until the end of time.

Control the body and you control the mind.
 
2013-06-18 06:04:30 PM  
sobriquet by any other name:
So there really is no concept of "you can't work"


Which is clearly something we need to reevaluate as a society. Technology is only going to make the need to work more and more irrelevant as time goes on. For example I can in-vision a maintenance crew being replaced by robots completely, with maybe one person in charge of maintaining the robots/etc. Fortunately/unfortunately we aren't quite there yet, but blue collar jobs will become more and more irrelevant as time goes on. So what as a society are we going to do about it?

Education is at the heart of it, so it would be nice of we had an education system that wasn't broken. That still doesn't address the main issue though, and its an issue we're facing today. There are only so many jobs, especially well paying jobs. Its not likely to improve over time either, and with robots/technology eventually replacing our low wage workers what do we do then? Not everyone is college material, what then?

Well if you're America, you don't believe in handouts. So tough luck, I guess become homeless maybe? After all, you work or you're useless right?
 
2013-06-18 06:06:13 PM  

Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.


I can certainly understand that the family and the dad would be terrified at the prospect of having to wait, but did any oncologist actually tell them that he would be dead before the 8 months wait ? I'm not sure how it is in your province, but here in Québec, if that were indeed the case and there was no way for the provincial healthcare system to intervene in a timely fashion, the provincial healthcare system would actually pay for him to be transferred to and cared for in a US hospital.
 
2013-06-18 06:06:29 PM  

groppet: Years ago I had a boss that efter chewing the crew out for something one of his hires did told us that we were lucky to work for him. And if he wanted he would have a line around the building with 30 people to replace each one of us that would be happy to work for him. He was a delusional ahole that got fired for sexual harassment. He is a pastor now from what I hear.


Why am I not surprised..?
 
2013-06-18 06:07:28 PM  

TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.


When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?
 
2013-06-18 06:08:28 PM  
You mean the tenant farmers of the corporate neo-feudalistic age are unhappy that the nobility are receiving a 90% profit on their work? well, that's just crazy talk. I'm sure those stupid poors will learn to respect and serve their FSM-ordained betters and grow complacent with their lot in life. These situations always end up well for the wealthy.
 
2013-06-18 06:09:02 PM  

bbfreak: There are only so many jobs, especially well paying jobs. Its not likely to improve over time either, and with robots/technology eventually replacing our low wage workers what do we do then? Not everyone is college material, what then?


I'm pretty sure all the pretendy jobs will disappear when the pretendy IOU money in our pretendy economy gets called in by the actual bookie joint jerkoffs running said pretendy economy, only they want actual wealth for it.
 
2013-06-18 06:12:02 PM  

mgshamster: When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


But.. it's THERE for you, man!  It's a chance!  It's hope!  It's a f*cking window shopping trip to a Rolls Royce dealership with a dime and some pocket lint.
 
2013-06-18 06:12:36 PM  

Bender The Offender: You mean the tenant farmers of the corporate neo-feudalistic age are unhappy that the nobility are receiving a 90% profit on their work? well, that's just crazy talk. I'm sure those stupid poors will learn to respect and serve their FSM-ordained betters and grow complacent with their lot in life. These situations always end up well for the wealthy.


...and you should be thankful that they have deigned to give you this wonderful gift of a job out of the bottom of their hearts.  Why aren't you grateful to them?
 
2013-06-18 06:14:02 PM  

mgshamster: TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


Hike the deductible, try to trim the benefits within the plan, use the reserve I spoke of, get back to work ASAP.

All else fails, shop out a catastrophic plan for a fraction of $1500.

Or become a ward of the state.  I'm not against that.  It just shouldnt be the first action at the first bump in the road.
 
2013-06-18 06:15:20 PM  

mgshamster: Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.


Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it".  What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:04 PM  

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.  That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits).  Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people.  They would pretty much say, "You don't like it?  I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning."

And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.


That's the main thing I harp on about companies. They don't have time to train people or teach them something new. They treat people like paper clips and just have high turnover. Guess it's okay to have high turnover, but when I read about turnover online about a company, you know damn well I'm not applying to that company.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:13 PM  
You know all those infomercials about the big money secret that brokers, real estate mooks and high roller mickey ficks know that you don't?  I'm gonna save you a fat CC bill.  Here's the "big secret".  It's all debt and it doesn't matter how much you run up if somebody else will buy it from you.
 
2013-06-18 06:18:26 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Capo Del Bandito: At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.

Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.

The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.


Skynet... no one name your kid Skynet, Skyler is bad enough.
 
2013-06-18 06:28:44 PM  
I think people are going to have to get have to change their mindset on technology as a tool to cut costs of living rather than increasing it through the consumption of high priced iterative versioned gadgets.  Use technology to provide cheap/free entertainment, easily access cheap mass transit, live a more cost efficient and frugal life.   Use apps that help you find recipes that make nutritious and delicious meals for pennies per serving, not aps that help you find the local hotspots and the trendy restaurant du jours or ways to get restaurants to deliver to your house.

No doubt "Da Man" is a heartless cawksucker, all the more reason why you have to scrounge and save every penny and buffer yourself from dependence on him.    Worrying about keeping up with the Jones-es is a fool's errand, as this shows that 70% of the Jones-es are just as miserable as you are (if not more).    You can't play that rigged game.
 
2013-06-18 06:29:46 PM  

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible ...


LOL.

And as for 70%: As many have no doubt said before me, I'm surprised it's only 70%.  Seems low.
 
2013-06-18 06:31:18 PM  

capt.hollister: Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.

I can certainly understand that the family and the dad would be terrified at the prospect of having to wait, but did any oncologist actually tell them that he would be dead before the 8 months wait ? I'm not sure how it is in your province, but here in Québec, if that were indeed the case and there was no way for the provincial healthcare system to intervene in a timely fashion, the provincial healthcare system would actually pay for him to be transferred to and cared for in a US hospital.


Maybe that's what happened, IDK, B.C.
 
2013-06-18 06:34:40 PM  
I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.
 
2013-06-18 06:35:29 PM  
You're not supposed to like it!  Where do people get the idea that work is supposed to be fun?  You have to get up early and spend all day doing what other people tell you to do.  That's why they pay you!  Now quit whining and get back to work.

faithwriters.com
 
2013-06-18 06:38:23 PM  

mike_the_engineer: You're not supposed to like it!


This and other propaganda available at a grade school, local saloon or church near you.
 
2013-06-18 06:40:51 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, for 30K a year so they bring in singh ghandi abdul ect which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013 and drive prices down

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.

 
2013-06-18 06:40:52 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013

Then your company isn't offering enough money. When supply is low, prices are supposed to increase. That encourages others to enter the market and supply increases which causes price to drop.


Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.  Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.  $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.
 
2013-06-18 06:51:10 PM  
Get rid of all exemptions to overtime. All of them. Then institute some minimum level of paid sick leave and vacation time.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 06:52:02 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Once upon a time, Capital needed Labor.
With robots and AI, this is no longer the case.


It's not only that... they needed labor IN THIS COUNTRY because getting stuff from other countries didn't make sense... and there was no Internet.

People still have idea that somehow giving money to coporations (usually through abatements) means jobs.  It just doesn't.  Those days are gone.  They have enough capitol and tech that they can put plants in a 3rd world shiatpile and manage them from here.  Giving money to them doesn't do shiat.  I wish the throngs of cretins her in the U.S. could understand that.
 
2013-06-18 06:52:39 PM  
Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.


So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

img.fark.net
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 06:54:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it". What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.


You might not be wrong, but applying that excuse to people that actually work hard and don't get a living wage for it is kind of sickening.
 
2013-06-18 06:56:08 PM  

limeyfellow: One day the US may catch up with the vacation time of worker's paradise like China


Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.
 
2013-06-18 06:57:37 PM  

Feltonl: Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.


Maybe you can go back with them to Zamunda. Working conditions seem to be better there.
/except for the attendants who wash the royal penis
//but if you're into that sort of thing
 
2013-06-18 06:57:47 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.


Cause communism!1!!!!  *sigh*
 
2013-06-18 06:58:54 PM  
I was in and out of unemployment for three years and while I'm content to be gainfully employed now, I learned you can't just jump at the first offer you get.
 
2013-06-18 07:00:08 PM  

mgshamster: TomD9938: capt.hollister:

what happens if you are unemployed ?

Cobra helps there.

When my best friend was laid off, he went to Cobra to get insurance for himself and his daughter.  The monthly cost for these two healthy individuals was nearly $1500.  How would you pay that when you just lost your job?


With all the money you saved while working , of course.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:00:12 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: The endgame of technological capitalism has only one job. It is the person who repairs the robots that repair the other robots that repair the other robots that actually make and do everything.


Wrong.  The engame is one manager at the top getting 20 bazillion dollars a year and everything else is automated (including the repairs).  Look at what happens with corporate pay... it's obvious that in corporate america the belief is the ONLY people deserving pay are executives.  They're the only people not allowed to get a pay cut because the corporation "needs the best and the brightest."
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:00:55 PM  

Slartibartfaster: Im an employer in China, my workers get STACKS of public holidays, and health insurance, far in excess of my US employees.


Everyone in the US is an employer in China.  Especially Wal-Mart customers.
 
2013-06-18 07:02:48 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: capt.hollister: The most astonishing thing when observing our US friends is how the GOP has managed to convince so many of the people who would most benefit from it that president Obama's plan to provide health insurance to everyone is bad for them.

It's not necessarily a matter of 'bad for them' so much as an ideological thing.

I'm against healthcare provided by the government for anyone because of my 'the government shouldn't be providing for people in that manner'.

I'm sure the neo-cons have some religious minded thing behind it. But it's not that it's 'bad' but a difference of how the world should work.


So tell me why your healthcare being held hostage by the employer is better?

How are people supposed to pay for cancer treatment?
 
2013-06-18 07:03:37 PM  

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


False. Some us like our jobs, but we still need to eat. The best jobs are where you get paid to do something you like, and everything you like you would not do for free.
Think of the rabid college football fan and english major who lands their dream job as a sportswriter. This is what I mean.
 
2013-06-18 07:06:03 PM  
Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?
 
2013-06-18 07:07:53 PM  
I used to be part of that 70% until I started "borrowing" tools and helping clients on my own time for cash under the table. I'm much happier in my work now.

/boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:09:10 PM  

bunner: Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?


Capitalism and Corporatism isn't the same thing.  They'd like you to think that, but it's not.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:10:33 PM  

JesusJuice: /boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.


www.cswap.com

These guys?
 
2013-06-18 07:11:19 PM  

d23: Capitalism and Corporatism isn't the same thing.  They'd like you to think that, but it's not.


I've been sort of gleaning that lately, from the size of the double donger fist of fury so uncomfortably lodged in my country's ass.
 
2013-06-18 07:16:54 PM  

SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.


Ha ha, no. Here's my favorite anecdote on the subject: once while running through an airport I smacked my hand into a sign and jammed a finger. A couple of weeks later the finger was a bit sore. Nothing major but I'm not as young as I once way and I spend my entire day on the keyboard so I went to a local hand specialist. He suggested an MRI. I felt a bit guilty about wasting that much health insurance but I agreed and called the MRI place on my cell phone from his office. They had multiple openings that very afternoon. I drove straight over and was in the MRI machine less than an hour later.

If you have good health insurance, US healthcare is freaking insane. If you do not have good health insurance, well... pray you stay healthy.

For the record I am Canadian and I plan to retire in Canada. I also underwent emergency surgery when I was in my 20s which saved my life, in a Canadian hospital. I have no beefs with socialized medicine. It is absolutely the right thing for any first world nation to do. It's not easy to do well but looking at the America, you really can't do much worse.
 
2013-06-18 07:19:25 PM  

Jument: If you have good health insurance, US healthcare is freaking insane. If you do not have good health insurance, well... pray you stay healthy.


So, ergo, the point of US health care isn't health care, the point is moving hippo sh*t stupid amounts of money around because, sick people.
 
2013-06-18 07:21:22 PM  
Supercampion:So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

[img.fark.net image 533x594]


The job was better.  The pay was worse, but the job was better.

Or to put it another way, the magical money train (signing bonus) at the high-pay job (and it sounded like they were basically doubling everyone's salary with year-end stock bonuses on top of the defined salary) lasted for 4 years and 70% of their workforce left inside of 3.  Imagine how bad your workplace would have to be for you to be making $150-$200K a year and just leave.  I dealt with that level of corporate bureaucracy before, and never ever want to deal with it again.

So instead I became person Number 6 at my startup.

/And the best part is that either the company goes big, and I make hundreds of thousands off stock options in the exit, or the company explodes and I make thousands in the acqui-hire.  I can't lose (barring earthquakes or 2nd dot-com bubbles, and even then, losing is still fairly nice).
 
2013-06-18 07:22:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: 70% still wouldn't give a crap about their work if their pay was trebled, they had free health care, and got a month's paid vacation per year.  Those things have nothing to do with the fact that it's impossible to match everyone up with work that interests them.


If I could actually get PTO with this job, I'd be thrilled. Getting time off is like pulling teeth.
 
2013-06-18 07:22:51 PM  

bunner: Has anybody noticed that the preponderance of American corporations and their lobbyist shills harrumphing about "Capitalism!  It's the AMERICAN way!" are getting their pussy in a communist country and their gravy in the land of the free - where anybody who's stupid enough to feel entitled to health care, a living wage and is less than enthusiastic about getting f*cked out of their pensions - is summarily kicked to the curb as some sort of Bolshevik?


When there is no more blood to be squeezed, they will leave while we kill each other over scraps.
 
2013-06-18 07:23:55 PM  

pxlboy: When there is no more blood to be squeezed, they will leave while we kill each other over scraps.


Not if we can beat them to the airport.
 
2013-06-18 07:26:13 PM  
Agrees
s18.postimg.org
 
2013-06-18 07:26:53 PM  
And I hate to break it to you, but that IS going to be the 2nd American revolution, because we're too doppish and delusional to think we'll need one before they flush the whole thing and bail.  Seriously.  That's our last hope.  Beating the cocksuckers to the Gulstream boarding stair once we realize that the con not only worked, but we helped them scrape the paint off the wall.
 
2013-06-18 07:31:47 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.
 
2013-06-18 07:32:54 PM  

Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.


===============

Yup.  With enough money I could find something to do all day, and not just "me" stuff.  I'd like to volunteer at the local hospital, but I can't because I have no time left after working and keeping the house and car from falling apart.

Unfortunately, a lot of rich people don't think like that.  Case in point: My elderly neighbor.  Dead wife, no kids or grand kids.  No debts, several million invested in mutual funds.  He does nothing with it.  No travel, no hobbies, not a foodie, never volunteered for anything, does nothing really except sit around watching Fox and listening to talk radio.  He continues to clip coupons, always asks for the senior discount because he's "on a fixed income".  To see him go about his daily business, you'd think he was poor.   He's done nothing all his life except pound money up his ass, and continues to do so in old age.

His will leaves everything to nieces and nephews, who never call, or come to visit him.  When he's dead, it will be party time for these people, you can believe it.   It's both disgusting and sad,

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:25 PM  
Well, yeah.  With all due deference to Barry at least *trying*, see, this whole Obamacare this *is* pretty much dogs*it because it didn't tackle the actual problem.  That problem is that health care is about making people who provide it and insurance companies pig in sh*t rich.  So instead of doing something about regulating it, or even, OH NOES, making it something your taxes pay for, he just decided that it's time to bring back some old time religion and have the boss pick up the tab.  In an economy that has it's ass hanging out so far that the boss can't afford it any more than you.  He poked the wrong dog.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:43 PM  

d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.


That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-06-18 07:39:06 PM  
Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  until demand picks up because the only reason any business will hire more people is because of increase in demand for that business's goods/services. Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.

================

FIFY
 
2013-06-18 07:39:33 PM  

sickb0y: also, the last time I was actually sick I had to take a couple days off because my voice was gone and I talk on the phone for a living.  I hadn't taken a sick day in almost 2 years prior to that, but when I came back I got treated like some kind of goldbrick because I happened to get sick Memorial Day weekend, so I got an "extra day off".  Sitting in the shower with what used to be food coming out of both ends wasn't exactly my idea of "time off"


If you can, get a new job.

 That is crap. Those people never change and it's going downhill anyway.
 
2013-06-18 07:40:43 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


So, the idea that the people in the cool tree house would pull the rope up is just ludicrous? I'd ease up on the "U R teh stupid" if I were youse.
 
2013-06-18 07:42:07 PM  

d23: JesusJuice: /boss says I have a great attitude and is talking about promoting me to management. Stupid asshole.



These guys?


The one in the middle actually looks just like my boss.
 
2013-06-18 07:42:36 PM  

illannoyin: When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.


Everyday is saturday night.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.


I've had that conversation with my conservative friends. Each and every one of them has grown up believing that unions are fundamentally evil and exist for no other purpose than to line the pockets of the union coffers.  Again and again, I've tried to point out to them that unions came into existence for a reason and that whether or not you believe that unions are the correct solution to those problems, the problems legitimately exist and the free market does not do a good job of correcting them because all the incentives point in the other direction (i.e., towards worker exploitation).
 
2013-06-18 07:43:44 PM  
As long as they keep pretending to pay us, we'll keep pretending we're working!
 
2013-06-18 07:48:30 PM  

Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm enthusiastic and committed, for the most part and I really could not ask for a better professional situation.

That said, I would quit in a heartbeat if I had the financial means to retire. Going into work every day is not my idea of a perfect life. The world is too big, life is too short. I work because I want to eat and keep my house. If I could travel and do yoga and train for triathlon and whatever else instead of spending 1/4+ of my life working, I would.

===============

Yup.  With enough money I could find something to do all day, and not just "me" stuff.  I'd like to volunteer at the local hospital, but I can't because I have no time left after working and keeping the house and car from falling apart.

Unfortunately, a lot of rich people don't think like that.  Case in point: My elderly neighbor.  Dead wife, no kids or grand kids.  No debts, several million invested in mutual funds.  He does nothing with it.  No travel, no hobbies, not a foodie, never volunteered for anything, does nothing really except sit around watching Fox and listening to talk radio.  He continues to clip coupons, always asks for the senior discount because he's "on a fixed

 /Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.


That money belongs to that old man and he should be able to leave it to whomever he damn well pleases and not have to worry about the gov ripping them off.
Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their inherited investments.  I don't care if it's taxed at over a million or three or five. Inheritance tax is double dipping on the governments part - and that's disgusting and sad.
 
2013-06-18 07:48:39 PM  

d23: DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.

So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth


Yeah.  Lots of them.  They usually describe such efforts as "paying your fair share" or "consumer protection."

or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Which you probably support 90% of the time.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 07:50:17 PM  

Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.


It's nice you live in a dreamworld where the rich guy wants you to make it and isn't doing things like encouraging the dumbing down of education so others can't make it, but I don't want to live there with you.

plonk
 
2013-06-18 07:53:45 PM  

KrustyKitten: Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their


FYI, cost basis gets reset to current market price when you die, so there is a pretty big tax dodge as far as that is concerned.

At least that's what I remember from helping my mom deal with stuff when my grandma died a few years ago.
 
2013-06-18 07:57:26 PM  

bunner: Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

...

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.

So, the idea that the people in the cool tree house would pull the rope up is just ludicrous? I'd ease up on the "U R teh stupid" if I were youse.


My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.


The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.


And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.


Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.


And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.
 
2013-06-18 08:01:39 PM  

Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm

...

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.


That makes small businesses and family farms effectively illegal.  Are you sure that's going to level society?

It would have the exact opposite effect.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate.  It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.  Obama sucks kawk on Wall Street, but he'd like to see Joe The Plumber hanged.
 
2013-06-18 08:05:06 PM  

Full Metal Retard: My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.


And that's great, but he said 1%%.

The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.

Conspiracy?  No, it's a business plan.  And it's necessary to keep money valuable.  Because it has none.

And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.

And being out of beer money is a great reason to pimp your mother, on paper, but it's a sh*tty thing to do.

Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.

How many multi-billionaires do you know?

And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.

I'm sorry to hear that, but eventually, either health care is going to have to cut the "everything costs 10,000.00" bullsh*t, be wholly socialized, or we're gonna have to start herding the ill into lime pits.  Cause so far, valuaing bad IOUs over human life got us here.
 
2013-06-18 08:05:09 PM  

BMFPitt: KrustyKitten: Those nieces and nephews still have to pay capital gains when they cash out their

FYI, cost basis gets reset to current market price when you die, so there is a pretty big tax dodge as far as that is concerned.

At least that's what I remember from helping my mom deal with stuff when my grandma died a few years ago.


============

Yup.  They'll pay little or no tax.

BTW, the geezer is a WWII vet.....technically a WWII vet.....he got inducted a few weeks before Little Boy shut down the Empire of The Rising Sun.  As a result, he qualified for the GI Bill and used the benefits to go to college,  He probably would never have gone on to college otherwise because his parents were poor.  Spent his entire career working in the defense industry.  Despite this he hates government like poison.  He hates immigrants -- his grandparents were immigrants.  Doesn't believe he should be forced to pay for the local school levy because he never had kids.   He hates the black "socialist" in the White house trying to take his money.   Unions are evil, etc.  In other words, he's 100% Tea-Tard.

/ I got mine.
 
2013-06-18 08:06:31 PM  

meat0918: I'm in the 30%, but I am overworked.

Can't find qualified programmers, which doesn't surprise me, as the unemployment rate for people with a Bachelor's or higher is at a seasonally adjusted  3.8% for May 2013


Well here's what your company should do:
A. Pay the people they want to hire more money
B: Train the people they have so that they can become "qualified"
C: Hire people from outside who know most of what the company needs and train them to do the rest
D: Any combination of A, B and C

Choose wisely.
 
2013-06-18 08:08:53 PM  

Full Metal Retard: Fissile: Jument: I like my job. I hesitate to say love, see next paragraph. I get paid a comfortable wage to do a rewarding job that's not terribly taxing on me most of the time. I have great benefits, etc. I'm

...

/Inheritance over a million should be taxed at 90%.

That makes small businesses and family farms effectively illegal.  Are you sure that's going to level society?

It would have the exact opposite effect.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate.  It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.  Obama sucks kawk on Wall Street, but he'd like to see Joe The Plumber hanged.


Agreed.

Not to mention that most of the times people who make money off of inheritance and haven't been wealthy their whole life blow through it pretty quick. That money's moving back in the economy (probably housing) pretty quick. We should be so lucky.

Now long-term wealth sitting with a few families in New York, that's a larger societal problem.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:09 PM  

bunner: Full Metal Retard: My family owns 4 small businesses. A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day, and architectural ceramics business, a specialty bakery and a little software development for android devices. I have a patent for encryption on android devices and I'm working to exploit it.


The 2 businesses that are mine were begun with direct help from successful men. Guys who already had theirs; so they had no qualms about a budding competitor. Not relatives, just capable people who wanted others to be successful too. Both very Christian, very generous of heart.  And I saved up the money to get into my own thing by working as a W2 and a contractor.

And that's great, but he said 1%%.

The idea that there is a grand conspiracy to stop people from making money is ridiculous. It's the kind of twaddle that losers recite as an excuse for their lack of initiative.

Conspiracy?  No, it's a business plan.  And it's necessary to keep money valuable.  Because it has none.

And the only big cloud on the horizon is ObamaCare. It holds everything in check, waiting to see what the farking thing will cost. What is semi-skilled or unskilled labor going to cost next year? Not a single person in America can answer that question. It's a great reason to hire illegals or offshore the work.

And being out of beer money is a great reason to pimp your mother, on paper, but it's a sh*tty thing to do.

Government farking up the economy? I've seen loads of that.  Evil 1% types working to keep people down? I've only seen the exact opposite of that.

How many multi-billionaires do you know?

And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.

I'm sorry to hear that, but eventually, either health care is going to have to cut the "everything costs 10,000.00" bullsh*t, be wholly socialized, or we're gonna have to start herding the ill into lime pits.   ...


============

And despite all this, you have enough spare time to shill for supply side economics on pathetic little chat forums, such as this.  You truly are a free market superman.
 
2013-06-18 08:12:23 PM  
Joe the plumber is a cartoon character, propaganda is propaganda, bootstraps are bullshiat and your munneh is IOUs.  Bad IOUs.  I'm over it.  Nobody who can't step back far enough from the machine they think they are a "successful" cog in has an economics opinion  worth snot, frankly, because they are quite certain that somebody wins and that's them.
 
2013-06-18 08:20:38 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: mgshamster: Damn right you should.  Do you even know what "entitled" means? It means that you have a right to it by law.  Damn right we should be giving people what is legally theirs.

Yes, if you read extra carefully, the operative word was "feel entitled to it".  What some Americans feel like they are entitled to, and what they legally (or morally) are seems to get out of sync.


Humans beings are morally entitled to shelter, food and healthcare. They SHOULD feel and know that. It sounds like you love and worship money. You should be loving your fellow human beings. Even the Constitution says the government allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare of the people. Living or dieing would fall under general welfare.  Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of public aid. In most developed countries, welfare is largely provided by the government
Most countries are civilized enough to provide some form of universal healthcare. In the U.S. we spend more on healthcare than any other country yet only a portion of citizens have coverage. The others die or become bankrupt. I use to work in healthcare and saw it every day. You are just making excuses because you are a horrible, evil person. Stop arguing and just admit that because no rational, decent human being would agree with you. You have no basis to preach about morals. You don't have any.
 
2013-06-18 08:21:51 PM  
Work sucks. That's why we get paid. Deal with it, you farking whiners.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 08:25:20 PM  

Lunchlady: It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.


I must not be a "leftie" then, because this the exact person that I think is getting screwed.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:54 PM  
I have two months of vacation and health insurance, and I hate my farking job.

FWIW.
 
2013-06-18 08:27:32 PM  

Full Metal Retard: A small chain of day care centers that cares for about 3200 kids every day,


Full Metal Retard: we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people


So, assuming you have no admin, support, blah blah, you have your employees watching over 18 children each, every day?  Wow, you're awesome. Can I get a job with you?
 
2013-06-18 08:30:24 PM  

d23: Lunchlady: It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.

I must not be a "leftie" then, because this the exact person that I think is getting screwed.


I probably should have left that last part out of my quoted bit.

I agree that inheritance taxes disproportionately affect small business owners.

I don't agree at all that somehow liberal boogiemen hate small business owners. That's a horseshiat strawman. I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:16 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 08:32:57 PM  

Lunchlady: I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.


With respect, how?  The corporations aren't going to provide employment to the unwashed masses anymore.  Not in this country, anyway.  We still dump billions of dollars on corporations every year with that basic belief in mind.
 
2013-06-18 08:33:46 PM  

Mija: In the U.S. we spend more on healthcare than any other country yet only a portion of citizens have coverage. The others die or become bankrupt.


I know a number of poor people who have had very expensive procedures over the years.

They are all very much alive and the money that was spent on them is gone forever.

NTTAWWT
 
2013-06-18 08:34:23 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have two months of vacation and health insurance, and I hate my farking job.

FWIW.


You sound teach-y.

/Id probably hate that job too.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 08:34:57 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.


No it's not.  It's time to put reforms back in so "one man one vote" means something.  I couldn't care less if people are billionares.  What I really care about is that billionare's word to his senator means a million more than mine does.
 
2013-06-18 08:35:18 PM  
You get what you pay for.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:46 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


It is the plutocracy owned corporate media that is forwarding that agenda.  If the masses werent so successfully entertained and distracted we might actually do something about it.

/gotta go prime time line up is starting
//actually I wouldnt have as much a problem with accepting our kibbles and bits if we could get along with each other better
 
2013-06-18 08:39:22 PM  

Mija: You are just making excuses because you are a horrible, evil person. Stop arguing and just admit that because no rational, decent human being would agree with you. You have no basis to preach about morals. You don't have any.


lolwut?   What post are you responding to?   I said nothing about people not deserving basic food and shelter. That was a very bizarre rant you just put yourself through.  Relax, take a breath.  Or take your meds, or something.  ;)
 
2013-06-18 08:40:59 PM  

d23: Debeo Summa Credo: No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in. I tell ya, it's high time for pitchforks and torches.

No it's not.  It's time to put reforms back in so "one man one vote" means something.  I couldn't care less if people are billionares.  What I really care about is that billionare's word to his senator means a million more than mine .


You ain't seen the new ballot?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 08:42:39 PM  

d23: Lunchlady: I do believe that in their rush to curb the influence of humungous corporations that left-leaning policies can have an unintended consequence of hurting those they are meant to protect.

With respect, how?  The corporations aren't going to provide employment to the unwashed masses anymore.  Not in this country, anyway.  We still dump billions of dollars on corporations every year with that basic belief in mind.


Oh I'd can corporate tax breaks in a second. We pay farms to plow over crops, we pay them to burn their corn for fuel, we pay oil companies for the privilege of seeing the oil sold overseas, we pay Boeing to outsource their parts manufacturing, we trip over ourselves for tax breaks to companies that will leave the moment they expire, it's a joke.

What I had in mind is picking an arbitrary number to institute a humongous estate tax and what happens is it punishes people who leave a mid-sized plumbing company to their kids. It's surprising to most people how many small businesses are worth over $1 million when you start adding in things like vehicles, buildings, liquid assets, combined with savings and funds left to children. That doesn't do anything to a company like Exxon but for some small companies it means they would have to liquidate when the original owner died.

A better solution would be to have a huge campaign to target people who hide their money in offshore accounts instead of pay the taxes they owe.
 
2013-06-18 08:45:57 PM  

Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.


your name is appropriate.  Businesses are hiring more people at less hours in order to creep under the 25 hour limit put up by obamacare.  In my old store(retail hell) we had 12 people, all of whom knew their job and kicked butt when we needed to, saving the company time and money from training new employees, while also having relatively decent healthcare.  Fast forward to now: different store, same size, 3 times as many employees due to the limit on hours, which means they can deny any form of healthcare.  We go through new hires on a weekly basis.  The skills we need are in demand, but the lack of job-ownership is creating a void in the industry when it comes to employees who give a damn.  At any point in my day I can look around and see 2/3 of the workforce screwing around on their phones, ignoring customers and killing business.  I've taken pictures with my phone of managers, head down, looking at their phones and customers walking by, un-helped.  If the managers who have the responsibility of leading by example are screwing around because they don't have the desire to lead, what does that say about the direction the company is taking.  I keep my phone on me because I need the calculator function to help with quotes for customers on the more cumbersome orders(never being able to find a calculator when I need one), but that's it.  I recently had a day where a prospective new employer called me 3 times for an interview.  I called at the end of my extended 9-hour shift which had a total of zero breaks because 3 of my coworkers decided they didn't want to work that day to find the position had been filled.  I find it rather ironic that if I had been like most of my coworkers and ignored the company policy about cell phone usage, I'd be at a better, higher-paying job right now.

/in school for engineering, so I don't have to put up with this much longer
 
2013-06-18 08:48:25 PM  

Full Metal Retard: And, BTW, if Ocare comes in at over $3500/ employee, we are closing the daycare centers and laying off about 175 people. The US is going to be seeing a lot of that.


You're doing a wonderful job of demonstrating you are part of the problem. Instead of doing something useful, like getting together with other small business owners to see if perhaps you could pool your resources or otherwise address the situation, you're whining that you'll have to provide for your employees.

It's not the 1% the Lefties hate. It's the guy next door who works hard and gets ahead.

And you're not very smart either, though your whining about having to take care of your employees speaks to that in spades.
 
2013-06-18 08:53:38 PM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


Wow, really? You don't think big corporations make it very difficult for folks to start up new businesses? Besides, you're missing the main thesis of his post: How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say, hundreds of thousands of not millions of Americans would start their own businesses if they didn't have to worry about obtaining their own health insurance, or obtaining health insurance for potential employees. Small business owners like you should absolutely support socialized medicine (or at least single payer/socialized insurance) because it's in your own best interest.
 
2013-06-18 08:57:34 PM  
When you live in a country that constantly pumps the idea that the reason you don't have a pot to piss in is the fault of the other, poor, dumb sonofab*tch up the road who hasn't got a pot to piss in either AND, if you DO have a pot to piss in, you better grab on tight and lord it over people and tell everybody who doesn't that they're whiners - you can't really expect people to pay attention to the guy in the nice suit with the crowbar dismantling the ladder you think you're climbing.  He's Santa Claus he's a WINNER!  And YOU can be TOO!  Put the kool aid down before pontificating about economics, folks cause you're missing the whole con.
 
2013-06-18 08:57:50 PM  

Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.


30 years of wage stagnation...that can't possibly be hurting people's ability to get ahead.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:52 PM  

Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.


So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious? Also, one needs to consider the dilemma that those who don't have insurance or a job face here in this country... you can have your surgery in three weeks (Canadia), or you can have it never (US).

I'll take the three weeks , thank you very much.

You seem to be still hanging on to the mindset which insists that everything happen right now, instead of in relation to the seriousness of the disease or injury.

Heart attack = now. Broken leg = wait a few hours. Simple.
 
2013-06-18 09:01:22 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Full Metal Retard: That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK. You have no idea what you're talking about.

30 years of wage stagnation...that can't possibly be hurting people's ability to get ahead.


P.J. O'Rourke, in his book "Eat The Rich", stated that the economy isn't like a pizza and somebody eats the whole thing, then your family gets the pizza box for sinner.  Peej is very good writer.  Peej drinks a lot.  And he was was flat out wrong about that one.
 
2013-06-18 09:04:05 PM  

rewind2846: So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious?


Also in Canada things vary quite a lot from province to province in part because each provinces handles health care within its borders. So the experiences of someone in Toronto and Vancouver could be very different simply because they're in different provinces.
 
2013-06-18 09:12:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: rewind2846: So what's wrong with waiting if the surgery you need is not serious?

Also in Canada things vary quite a lot from province to province in part because each provinces handles health care within its borders. So the experiences of someone in Toronto and Vancouver could be very different simply because they're in different provinces.


Kind of like contraceptive availability, same sex marriage, cost of living, elc.  It all depends on where you live?
 
2013-06-18 09:21:41 PM  

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


[robot6.comicbookresources.com image 240x240]


My boss just made that point about my folks teleworking. She seems to forget that she schedules all the mandatory meetings Tuesday-Thursday.
 
2013-06-18 09:21:41 PM  

Supercampion: SMB2811: Supercampion: As an American living in Canada with his family at the moment, the Canadian health care system is pretty good for something and not so good for others. Its cheap, for a family of 4 its like 100 bucks a month and that pays pretty much for everything including surgery, chemo, etc... HOWEVER, you have to wait weeks and sometimes months to go in for surgery.

Only if your issue is not life threatening. Which, btw, is the same in the US. You are going to wait to schedule lab/surgery.

I talked to a family not too long ago, the dad had colon cancer or some form of cancer and they were travelling to a clinc in the USA for surgery because where they were at it was like 8+ months to even get in for surgery. They said they didnt want to wait that long (obviously) or he'd be dead. That's how it is sometimes here, sure if you need IMMEDIATE surgery you get in but chemo that could be put off for a while or going under the knife? GET IN LINE.


People just don't get the reality of socialized care.  I tried to explain this exact thing to my hyperliberal BIL, but he refuses to listen.

/Also an American living in Canada
 
2013-06-18 09:23:36 PM  

RockofAges: megarian: mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.

Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.

You know, up here, the health care is paid for and the green is way better.

/Sold!


You and you're logic...

And Canada is far. It's like, 30 minutes away.
 
2013-06-18 09:24:30 PM  
Gallup is a right-wing organization.  Its polls are routinely skewed to the right.  It's not surprising that they're pushing a "happy campers you are, and happy campers you shall remain" view.
 
2013-06-18 09:25:12 PM  
Why Socialized Health Care Is Bad.

a one act play buy bunner


"So why wouldn't tax funded social medicine work?"

"It wouldn't limit my potential to make as much money as possible."

"I dunno, there's guys in Sweden and England delivering the goods to the ill poors and rich alike and they got serious homes and cars and pretty wives and sh*t."

'Ah, but how much CAPITAL do they have?  What their opportunities to rise into the elite multi-millionaire class?"

"So, the point of practicing medicine is to have more expensive sh* t you don't need than the other guy practicing medicine?"

"Do you even live in this country?"

"Have you ever actually laid hand on a patient?"

"Sorry, I have to take this call.  It's my broker."

"I'd be shocked to hear it was anybody else."

I am carted away my DHS agents as a subversive

THE END
 
2013-06-18 09:32:53 PM  
Also, *your.
 
2013-06-18 09:34:38 PM  
My state is currently trying to pass a bill to remove health insurance from anyone working "part-time" for the state....except the legislature of course.

It's frustrating because while most of us would kill to get full time work, part time is all that's offered. The benefits aren't that amazing either. I got better at Petsmart when I was out of college in 2005. Now, you have to be making over 30hrs a week to even think of something besides Group Health HMO. Nobody under 17hr gets benefits and everyone in between just kind muddles through as best they can depending on their situation.

 Gotta be honest, if they do, I'll probably have to find a new job.

 And that sucks because I like my current job.
 
2013-06-18 09:36:19 PM  

RockofAges: megarian: RockofAges: megarian: mgshamster: megarian: *would love to get health insurance

Wait another 6 months.

Or I could get knocked up. Immediate insurance! Yay!

No thanks.

You know, up here, the health care is paid for and the green is way better.

/Sold!

You and you're logic...

And Canada is far. It's like, 30 minutes away.

Just head straight east. When people start acting more and more drunk, you know you've hit NS or NL.


That's actually much easier than what Mapquest said. Thanks.
 
2013-06-18 09:42:55 PM  

RockofAges: Just head straight east. When people start acting more and more drunk, you know you've hit NS or NL.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-18 10:25:43 PM  

abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.


Because single payer systems magically pay for themselves from money delivered by fairies.
 
2013-06-18 10:37:57 PM  
Everyone thinks they are underpaid...
 
2013-06-18 10:40:30 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


I work in a verzion call center..day one I started with 5 weeks vacation and 42k a year...copays are low too...find. Better company
 
2013-06-18 10:42:55 PM  

tbhouston: Everyone thinks they are underpaid...


And a lot of them are on the fu*king bullseye.
 
2013-06-18 10:52:30 PM  

Supercampion: Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.

So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

[img.fark.net image 533x594]




San Francisco is very gay friendly.
 
2013-06-18 10:53:34 PM  
Im making like half the money with none of the vacation or benefits I had pre 2008.
 
2013-06-18 10:57:03 PM  

Oldiron_79: Im making like half the money with none of the vacation or benefits I had pre 2008.


Move.
 
2013-06-18 11:02:09 PM  

bunner: tbhouston: Everyone thinks they are underpaid...

And a lot of them are on the fu*king bullseye.


Sadly the most productive working classes will be underpaid because the least productive working classes receive a minimum wage.

Min wage is not a living wage for a reason. When you establish a minimum wage you elevate base prices to the level where minimum wage buys what it always does.....but more importantly, the wages above minimum tend not to rise along with the minimum, so the middle class can buy less with its money because we are forcing higher wages for the unskilled.

But this is lost on you because you really just want to be paid to sleep.
 
2013-06-18 11:05:03 PM  

mcreadyblue: Supercampion: Programmers are weird.   At a certain point, the money doesn't matter.  My best 2 offers leaving college were for $72K in SF Bay area, and $112K ($90K salary + $90K bonuses over 4 years + actual benefits like 401K matching, which is another $5K right there) in Seattle with lower COL and no income tax.   Took the Bay Area because the Bay Area job was just more fun with better hours, more responsibility, and less processy bullshiat.  If they'd like to pay me more, that's awesome.  But it's not necessary because I'm enjoying life and paying off my debts with a little bit left over each month.

We're trying to hire now, and we really can't.  There's just not enough people in the Bay Area who are free and qualified for what we want to do at any price.  It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of finding anyone anywhere who is qualified AND wants to put up with your shiat.

/Heck, look up the term acqui-hire.
//Also, everyone needs to take a deep breath and say "Cost of Living" over and over.   $72K in SF Bay area gets you a roommate.  $200K in Bay Area gets you a nice apartment that probably does not have asbestos in the ceiling.

So let me get this straight, you took less money in a city with a higher cost of living and in a state in which you have to pay tax.

[img.fark.net image 533x594]

San Francisco is very gay friendly.


Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.
 
2013-06-18 11:08:20 PM  
I hated my job. But it had health insurance and I could pretty much come and go as necessary to deal with "life" issues. The pay sucked, the environment sucked, the management sucked. They had a tagline that the CEO used to use at the borrrring company events "XXX is a family company." Those of us doing the actual work knew that yes, it was a family company, just not OUR families. So check this out. What I did was search and search until I found a better job. Then I took it! One of the happiest moments of my life was when I went into that guy's office and told him "Two weeks." This was about a week after I had hit him up for a raise, laying out exactly what I did, where I saved money and how much, and how I was an integral part of the team and got a flat "NO. No raise for you." It was awesome I tell you. According to former coworkers, he's STILL scratching his head about why I would leave.
The only bad part? My commute doubled. It went from 2 miles to 4 miles.

\It's out there. Be patient, adapt/ increase your skills.
\\Search. Find
\\\Former 70%er
 
2013-06-18 11:08:59 PM  

archichris: But this is lost on you because you really just want to be paid to sleep.


You're not very good at this, are yas? Here's a notion, oh great troller of High Economics®.  A job is worth paying for to be done well or it isn't, and if it isn't, the person who hired you to do it is a moron.  Please elucidate further with your unimpeachable posture of caustic, assumptive arrogance lighting the path of enlightenment.  *snort*
 
2013-06-18 11:10:42 PM  

Full Metal Retard: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.

You're an idiot.

I'm a small business man, and the last thing I want is more mandates from lazy idiots in Washington.

Every business in America is putting off hiring and expanding until they can figure out what this thing is going to cost.  Whole segments of the economy will no longer be viable with dramatically more expensive labor.  It's a disaster.  It has prevented a normal economic recovery from the 2008 crash.



You know, your reading comprehension is shaky at best, unsurprising considering your chosen moniker.  Especially if you think that Obamacare = Single Payer System = Universal Health Care.  It isn't.  What if you didn't have to worry about negotiating health care coverage for any of your employees, just as you don't worry about military/police protection for your businesses, or obtaining a individual company to deliver your mail to you? What if health care was just something that existed independent of your operations?  Hell, at a bare minimum it'd free up about 50% of your HR staff's time, I'd wager.  Instead, we got some twisted abomination of a half-assed measure that does bugger-all for actually providing health care or reducing costs (Obamacare) all in the name of "it'll cost the government too much"

What I said, and what you seem to have completely missed in your apoplexy over seeing the word Obamacare, is that what was missing from the entire health care debate was consideration for how much we could grow the economy, basically overnight, by removing the specter of health care costs, and free up individuals to start and grow their own businesses.  An effect that could pay for universal health care itself with increased revenues while holding taxation rates steady.

So, this encryption patent, which category does it fall under?  An implementation of a well-known and well-vetted encryption algorithm, which shouldn't be patentable?  Or a new encryption algorithm, which is doomed to failure once the crypto-geeks tear it apart?


 
2013-06-18 11:17:48 PM  

randomjsa: Because single payer systems magically pay for themselves from money delivered by fairies.


Which country spends the most per capita on health care?  Hint:  it does *not* have a single payer system.
 
2013-06-18 11:19:32 PM  
If you get sick, move to the UK, Canada or Sweden.  They're all just suburbs of the one true nation, anyhoo.  Try and fake an accent.
 
2013-06-18 11:45:34 PM  

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.



I am sure Wendy's will change their corporate policy because of you.
 
2013-06-18 11:53:57 PM  

great_tigers: I am sure Wendy's will change their corporate policy because of you.


I just put you on ignore because you come here to be a c*nt from behind your mother's skirt.   :  ) Get old, doesn't it?
 
2013-06-19 12:12:59 AM  
I love my job in customer service. Some guy named Lewy says he has a problem with a guy I take care of that guy and then more problem.....yous gota problem wit tat
 
2013-06-19 12:42:11 AM  
I wouldn't mind going to Canada, I understand there's honest to gods jade/nephrite up there if one is willing to search carefully for it.

'course I could go to Monterey here in Cali and pick it on the beaches too...
 
2013-06-19 12:43:13 AM  

BMFPitt: I am well paid (although my net pay has dropped the last 3 years) and I have great benefits, but I'm still not terribly thrilled about my job.


Realistically speaking, very few people LIKE the idea of working, if they could be independently wealthy and sit on a beach in Bali and be serviced by beautiful cabana workers (your choice of gender). Most people, even those who enjoy their jobs, don't leap from bed in the morning with a song on their lips and scream "GODDAMN, AM I LUCKY I GET TO WORK TODAY!!!!"
 
2013-06-19 01:42:18 AM  
Remember: people who are "loyal" to companies are like battered spouses: their abuser sees them as nearly worthless.
img.fark.net
Don't spend it all in one place.

Every day a work is another day I evaluate the company/my boss. When they rack up enough violations on their permanent record, they will be "rightsized" and I will work for someone else.

// So far, they've got a pretty big black mark for screwing
// up my paperwork then refusing to pay me for the
// first two weeks I was there "because the paperwork wasn't complete"
// Incompetence, pure and simple, and when I'm done using them to
// pay off my debt and get a few years experience in the field,
// they're going to be let go. Haven't decided if it'll be an immediate termination
// or if I'll give them two weeks of coasting.
 
2013-06-19 01:55:02 AM  

safetycap: Remember: people who are "loyal" to companies are like battered spouses: their abuser sees them as nearly worthless.
[img.fark.net image 180x180]
Don't spend it all in one place.

Every day a work is another day I evaluate the company/my boss. When they rack up enough violations on their permanent record, they will be "rightsized" and I will work for someone else.

// So far, they've got a pretty big black mark for screwing
// up my paperwork then refusing to pay me for the
// first two weeks I was there "because the paperwork wasn't complete"
// Incompetence, pure and simple, and when I'm done using them to
// pay off my debt and get a few years experience in the field,
// they're going to be let go. Haven't decided if it'll be an immediate termination
// or if I'll give them two weeks of coasting.


That is a most mutual attitude.  Totally fair IMO.
 
2013-06-19 01:58:02 AM  
archichris:
Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.

Then they will  run into an even larger problem... no one wants to live in Mooseballs, Wyoming.
Flyover country is called that for good reason.
/your cunning plan, you did not think it through
 
2013-06-19 02:42:18 AM  
Warning: My workplace uses this "engagement survey" in place of the old "staff satisfaction survey".  Their line is that an engaged staff member must be a satisfied staff member.

It asks you things like has someone spoken to you about your performance in the last six months, do you know what your job is, do you have the tools to do your job, do you think the company's leaders have a vision for the future..

It's pure bullshiat.  My office's results are always "highly engaged" because the management make sure they do the right things so can tick the right boxes, but we are miserable. as. all. fark. because they actually treat the staff like crap.
 
2013-06-19 02:50:22 AM  
I worked many jobs in my time and only in one was I happy enough to speculate that if I could move into the place, I would.

I gave 110% and more. I absorbed information like a sponge, far faster and better than I had done in school.

Then, the administration changed, employees were fired and none replaced so we had to absorb their work loads without even a small pay raise. New managers seemed to find a lot to gripe about. Making overtime seemed nearly impossible as they implemented a new way to figure it that I never did grasp the concept. Then, they started segregating the professionals from the non-professionals, not wanting them to be friends, to eat together or even take breaks together.

Some employees were ordered to spy on others, or loose their jobs.

That was at a hospital. I was an Orderly, who had taken some nursing courses and did the work of a Medical Tech but was never given the rank nor pay applicable to my skills. Yet I was called more than other orderlies to handle complex situations and usually given the position of roving orderly, meaning I covered the entire hospital and not just one floor. Plus I trained new Orderlies.

After I left there I had a series of jobs where they seemed cool when I started but turned to shiat over time, especially when the economy dipped.

In one job I was required not only to treat my patients, but to defend them and staff as necessary. I got smacked in the head with a pool cue by a disruptive patient, slapped by another, wound up wresting with a couple more, got blindsided and punched in the face by one which fractured my nose, nearly got stabbed with the jagged end of a broken wooden coat hanger, had to jump in to keep another employee from beating the krap out of a patient and chased more than one patient out of the clinic and through the high crime minority section the place was in, where the locals promptly hid such patients because their skin was black and mine was white.

I saved a patient's life and was nearly fired for it. I watched other employees abuse and steal from patients and my complaints went ignored. I got to experience reverse discrimination since most of the inpatient staff was black. One staff member carried a straight razor in his pocket -- which wasn't allowed but was ignored for him. Another staff member got his arse shot up in a dispute with a bartender where he tried to shoot him first -- and was rehired after getting out of the hospital.

I soon hated that job, which was in the Mental Health Field, right about the time the government was closing the big state institutions and dumping patients on the streets. I watched therapists leave because they couldn't take the bullshiat and, eventually, I left.

Other jobs I gave 110% and found that wasn't good enough as businesses instituted the 39 hour work week, slashed benefits, started pushing employees to do more and more for less and pointing out that they had a pile of applicants for their jobs.

In one job I worked a 12 and 13 hour day, plus was on call all of the time since I was manager, but got paid for 8. I didn't make more than $10.85 an hour and soon discovered that it was damned if you did and damned if you didn't.

Often I worked two jobs, like delivering papers at night or doing private health care for people in their homes.

I got fired from one job and the boss fought my unemployment, lying his arse off. I won the case anyhow and he had to pay 50% of my unemployment for almost two years. Previously, he had bragged to all of his employees about how he NEVER paid unemployment.

In one job I hauled tons of freight from tractor trailers in heat inside the trailer that usually approached 125 degrees. Then I had to put it all away in the stock room. I was a stock room manager and discovered that my pay had a maximum range -- UNDER $10 an hour. Plus I was expected to work over but not on the clock.

In one job, I saved a life. In another, I worked to prove that my boss did not deserve to be fined several hundred dollars for freight that was shipped to a wrong area and spent hours salvaging things like fluorescent lights from abandoned buildings because the company didn't like paying for new ones. In one job I chased a thief off the loading dock with a 2x4, later caught an employee stealing and had my crew lower me down into a manhole on a chain to clear a sump pump. In one I fronted the money to pay for needed equipment. In another I saved the boss money by buying repair parts for the company trucks and installing them myself. (He reimbursed me for the parts. He never paid me anything for the extra time it took to install the stuff.)

When I left that job, he owed me about $100 for things I had purchased for the company and had promised to pay me. He never did.

No, I didn't like the majority of my jobs after a bit. I also discovered that the bosses didn't like to hand out compliments. However, they certainly could find things to biatch about.

Yeah, I can fully understand why so many people do not like their jobs. Loyalty is a thing of the past. Rewarding a low level employee is also no longer done.

I would dearly LOVE to find a job that I could really like, work my ass of at, make some good pay, get good benefits and actually have the boss compliment little old me or at least appreciate any efforts I made to save the company money. It'd be nice to get more than a $0.25 raise or a $100 bonus.

I don't mind working over 80 hours, so long as I'm treated well.

Businesses these days don't do that anymore -- and as a result, they loose millions in productivity. It's been proven time and time again that happy workers produce more, with less errors and work to support the company. Then the company makes bigger profits.
 
2013-06-19 02:58:51 AM  

Rik01: I worked many jobs in my time and only in one was I happy enough to speculate that if I could move into the place, I would.

I gave 110% and more. #####



If you're ever in CLE, you got a free beer coming.  Maybe two.  I got a soft spot for the ill used.
 
2013-06-19 03:01:04 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Warning: My workplace uses this "engagement survey" in place of the old "staff satisfaction survey".  Their line is that an engaged staff member must be a satisfied staff member.

It asks you things like has someone spoken to you about your performance in the last six months, do you know what your job is, do you have the tools to do your job, do you think the company's leaders have a vision for the future..

It's pure bullshiat.  My office's results are always "highly engaged" because the management make sure they do the right things so can tick the right boxes, but we are miserable. as. all. fark. because they actually treat the staff like crap.


My employer obligates us to take a similar survey (perhaps even the same employer).  The funny thing for me is, my coworkers think its an anonymous survey for some reason.  Even though we use an employer provided number to register.
 
2013-06-19 03:07:48 AM  
Corporate culture is all top heavy sh*t designed to keep middle management meatballs in pretendy ass jobs by telling them they can run a company with a whip, thinly disguised threats and Woolworths, 6 for a nickel psych evals and spreadsheets.  Otherwise, they have to work.  It's an ant farm run from a penthouse by people who can't actually do anything.
 
2013-06-19 03:09:29 AM  
sn82:
That's the main thing I harp on about companies. They don't have time to train people or teach them something new. They treat people like paper clips and just have high turnover. Guess it's okay to have high turnover, but when I read about turnover online about a company, you know damn well I'm not applying to that company.

Damn straight.  Been there.  Been in the revolving chair, met the guy that was there before me and the guy who came after...

/your shop has a problem with high turnovers?  Stop making marijuana empanadas, then, because everything else indicates a failure of management
 
2013-06-19 03:15:07 AM  
safetycap:
// So far, they've got a pretty big black mark for screwing

I think you need someone to teach you how to use the slashies AND how to use line breaks.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:02 AM  
Owners - "I don't give a f*ck what you do just put more money in my pocket every year or f*ck you."

Upper mgmt. - "Harrumph!"

Middle Mgmt. - "You better be scared sh*tless and afrid of not doing everything I say or I'll get somebody stupid enough to live for the idea that I need my pretendy assed job."

Workers - "F*ck, I don't know.  It's a jerk farm.  They used to have people who knew what they were doing but they fired them all and ahma bout to race them to the door myself."

So.

Productivity is only accomplished by arrogance, ineptitude and slavery?

Anybody know what century this is?

Cause I think I saw old Bob Cratchit wending his way towards Camden town with 14 shillings in his ragged coat.
 
2013-06-19 03:26:35 AM  
Once upon a time, corporations wanted you to like them and not hate  their guts for selling you the cheapest shiat possible for the highest price while being rung up by a person who hates their job and you.  How do you f*ck that up?  By assuming every jerkoff with a corner office needs a 170,000.00 car.  Pump your own gas, pick up your own sh*t, wrap your own gifts, buy whatever we can get for a handful of rice from a city whose name you can't pronounce and be grateful when it's on sale.  Now call up CircuitousTech and get one of those things that keep us from having to answer our phones.
 
2013-06-19 04:23:33 AM  

InmanRoshi: Supercampion: Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?

Whenever people are too fed up with bigger problems to give a fark about the latest Sony vs. Microsoft video game console or whether the latest crappy Hollywood comic book movie properly addressed the original cannon.

Judging by Fark threads, not any time soon.


It's their escape.

 When they no longer have an escape... when there is nothing left to lose... then there will be revolution.

 And it will be ugly.

/would be nice if things got patched up before it came to that, but humanity has a tendency to not do that.
 
2013-06-19 04:30:25 AM  

cuzsis: InmanRoshi: Supercampion: Does anyone have any idea when the revolution is coming?

Whenever people are too fed up with bigger problems to give a fark about the latest Sony vs. Microsoft video game console or whether the latest crappy Hollywood comic book movie properly addressed the original cannon.

Judging by Fark threads, not any time soon.

It's their escape.

 When they no longer have an escape... when there is nothing left to lose... then there will be revolution.

 And it will be ugly.

/would be nice if things got patched up before it came to that, but humanity has a tendency to not do that.


assets.nydailynews.com
You best start believing in history, laddie.  You're in it.
 
2013-06-19 07:38:27 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: No, he's right. I happen to be privy to knowledge that certain groups in the US believe it is appropriate that the number of people in the 1% be limited to a small subset of the population. You didn't hear it from me, but apparently they have it in their diabolical minds that no more than one in a hundred people get in.


Certain groups? Mathematicians?
 
2013-06-19 08:03:46 AM  

illannoyin: When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 08:22:27 AM  

Full Metal Retard: d23: abrannan: I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?

That might be one of the unspoken reasons that a person (when they're actually reasoning and not just listening an parroting) would oppose it.  The top 1% aren't not only busy being bootstrappy, they are actively working at putting barriers up to prevent others from getting to that 1% threshold.  They won't admit that, of course...

The fact is that some companies have run the numbers and found that a single payer system would HELP them, but that is never admitted because their ideology doesn't allow them to talk about it.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read on FARK.  You have no idea what you're talking about.


I seem to recall the founder of Home Depot in an interview saying that with today's regulations, which he and other industry leaders helped to craft in order to stifle rivals, it would be impossible to create such a company. He sounded rather sorry about having been party to it.
 
2013-06-19 09:00:25 AM  

crzybtch: Not sure about others, but working for a major university has taught me that 99% of the useless redundant paperwork that we produce and no one reads is generated only to stave off the possibility of lawsuits.  I swear that a HUGE amount of what a lot of people do is driven by either political bullshiat or lawyer bullshiat.  And of course we have the shiattiest computer systems on the planet because everything is given to the lowest bidder.  We also have older people who never want to change and thus in 2013 some of our forms are still CARBON COPY forms!  15 years ago I recreated every single form into an excel document and they still won't agree to use them!  So am I an unhappy worker, you better believe it.  I can't walk away because I have rent to pay and family to support.  Am i happy to have a job with benefits, yes I am.  Am I stressed out at work every day, hell yeah.  Do we ever have enough people to do our jobs properly, hell no.  Are we constantly threatened that our jobs could disappear overnight.  Yes.  I have stresses that my parents never had.  Back in their day if you did a good job, it was yours for life.  Now I see people right and left who have worked for years doing a good job kicked to the curb because of "downsizing" or a conglomerate taking over the business and kicking everyone out.  There is no such thing as job security.  Gas/water/electricity/rent/groceries go up all the time and my pay almost never goes up.  Before you tell me that I have so much more than my parents had, I do not have cable/internet access at home/vacation home etc.

 
2013-06-19 09:04:35 AM  

d23: DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.

Huh?  So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Well.. I am glad life is better on your planet then.


So what you're saying is that you cannot cite specific efforts?  Why is it that whenever I make republican statements I have to codify everything and provide a full etymology of every word I use but the other side of the aisle is allowed to say whatever and not have to prove it?
 
2013-06-19 09:23:51 AM  

DubtodaIll: d23: DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.

Huh?  So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Well.. I am glad life is better on your planet then.

So what you're saying is that you cannot cite specific efforts?  Why is it that whenever I make republican statements I have to codify everything and provide a full etymology of every word I use but the other side of the aisle is allowed to say whatever and not have to prove it?


Protip: There's no sides except us and them.  You're not them.
 
2013-06-19 09:38:52 AM  

lewismarktwo: DubtodaIll: d23: DubtodaIll: I would be interested in some examples on that one.

Huh?  So you're not aware of any rich folks that have lobbied for laws that make it harder to amass wealth or make it harder for competitors to start businesses?

Well.. I am glad life is better on your planet then.

So what you're saying is that you cannot cite specific efforts?  Why is it that whenever I make republican statements I have to codify everything and provide a full etymology of every word I use but the other side of the aisle is allowed to say whatever and not have to prove it?

Protip: There's no sides except us and them.  You're not them.


Establishing contention as the foundation of your beliefs is only going to lead to conflict.  I don't believe there is anyone out there who is personally trying to stop me from being successful.  In my experience, my failures have been my fault, and so have my successes.
 
2013-06-19 11:12:34 AM  
I worked my ass off for a promotion. My boss said to my face that I deserved the promotion and that I'd get it once she talked to HR. One week went by, no word. Two weeks, still nothing. After a month of waiting, I checked out. I started applying for dream jobs while on the job. Eventually, they canned me. I am now on funemployment and finally have the time I need to start up my own business. Bonus: I get to spend more time with my son.

Anyway, would anyone like to try my new, homemade sushi mail service? We'll have it to your door within two weeks, or your money back!
 
2013-06-19 11:26:48 AM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I worked my ass off for a promotion. My boss said to my face that I deserved the promotion and that I'd get it once she talked to HR. One week went by, no word. Two weeks, still nothing. After a month of waiting, I checked out. I started applying for dream jobs while on the job. Eventually, they canned me. I am now on funemployment and finally have the time I need to start up my own business. Bonus: I get to spend more time with my son.

Anyway, would anyone like to try my new, homemade sushi mail service? We'll have it to your door within two weeks, or your money back!


www.lolbrary.com
 
2013-06-19 12:30:22 PM  
I have this odd notion that until corporate America just sits down and says, "look, we've been screwing the pooch so long, even we don't know what for.  The only way to sort this crap out is, we all take a 50 G salary for this year.  All of us.  We won't go hungry, we won't  lose our homes, just 50 G each and then we use the rest to mop up all our messes, find out what the hell it is we're doing and do it better."  It's time to back drag the playing filed until it's level or there wont be any more game.

Until then it's just a chess match between the mooks in suits and the people who are keeping them rich.  And so far, that has done very little in the long term for anybody.  It really is game over for the idea all the money can just move in one direction forever.  I mean even if a million dirt poor people start protesting for higher corporate profits, the jig is up, the etch a sketch has no more silver on the screen and physics have overtaken economics.  It's like when criminals create a ghetto by chasing all of the above ground economy money out of the hood.  Eventually, there is no more money and there's nothing left to steal or hornswoggle  people out of and nobody left to con.

The very existence of most leviathan companies hinges on them cutting the crap, pissing on Reagan's grave and actually doing what they say they do and for less money until they can honestly make more money.  And by make, I don't mean call the fed and tell them to pump another stack of debt into the supply.  I truly believe that unless we return to ethics, en masse, that the jig is up.

All these stories are symptomatic of the fact that, oddly, it took us 35 years to realize that greed isn't good, it doesn't create  anything worth a damn and it's dragging the entire economy into  swamp.  It took that long.  Now it's fix it of f*ck it time.
 
2013-06-19 12:44:13 PM  

bunner: I have this odd notion that until corporate America just sits down and says, "look, we've been screwing the pooch so long, even we don't know what for.  The only way to sort this crap out is, we all take a 50 G salary for this year.  All of us.  We won't go hungry, we won't  lose our homes, just 50 G each and then we use the rest to mop up all our messes, find out what the hell it is we're doing and do it better."  It's time to back drag the playing filed until it's level or there wont be any more game.

Until then it's just a chess match between the mooks in suits and the people who are keeping them rich.  And so far, that has done very little in the long term for anybody.  It really is game over for the idea all the money can just move in one direction forever.  I mean even if a million dirt poor people start protesting for higher corporate profits, the jig is up, the etch a sketch has no more silver on the screen and physics have overtaken economics.  It's like when criminals create a ghetto by chasing all of the above ground economy money out of the hood.  Eventually, there is no more money and there's nothing left to steal or hornswoggle  people out of and nobody left to con.

The very existence of most leviathan companies hinges on them cutting the crap, pissing on Reagan's grave and actually doing what they say they do and for less money until they can honestly make more money.  And by make, I don't mean call the fed and tell them to pump another stack of debt into the supply.  I truly believe that unless we return to ethics, en masse, that the jig is up.

All these stories are symptomatic of the fact that, oddly, it took us 35 years to realize that greed isn't good, it doesn't create  anything worth a damn and it's dragging the entire economy into  swamp.  It took that long.  Now it's fix it of f*ck it time.


Now at "cyan 1".
 
2013-06-19 12:54:33 PM  

Two16: Now at "cyan 1".


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2013-06-19 01:06:55 PM  
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2013-06-19 01:20:38 PM  

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2013-06-19 01:29:29 PM  

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.



Some people do have it worse, but then again, some people have it better. To be precise, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,really, really, really, really, really (...) better, and will do everything in their power to keep themselves for losing a single "really," because losing so much as one means they have it worse than they did before, and that... well that is simply unacceptable, and anyone advocating re-appropriating a "really" to someone without as many is a danger and a threat to freedom.

/ya rly.
//tea partiers actually believe this.
 
2013-06-19 03:19:53 PM  

archichris: Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.



That's completely ignorant. I love living in Durham, NC. I would not move to North Dakota to do what I do at twice the money.
 
2013-06-19 04:46:07 PM  

rewind2846: archichris:
Businesses that choose more expensive places to locate for culture reasons go out of business. Software companies should all be located in the cheapest operating cost markets in America. You can bet that the Indian software companies of the next decade will be paying a lot less in operating costs.

Then they will  run into an even larger problem... no one wants to live in Mooseballs, Wyoming.
Flyover country is called that for good reason.
/your cunning plan, you did not think it through


I believe Mooseballs is actually in Alberta, Canada. I work with developers in India very regularly. It's usually an unpleasant experience. Cultural differences make people approach problems with different attitudes, often incompatible, and the time difference makes everyone grumpy. Not to mention that the smallest interpersonal issue tends to explode when you never meet face-to-face.

I swear to Vishnu if I have to sit through another conference call where some guy in India who doesn't even need to be on the call has his phone unmuted while his children shriek in the background, I will kill myself.
 
2013-06-19 05:27:56 PM  
"I am most assuredly, sir, of a great necessity to receive the working information of this call while keeping my family blessing very happy!" - "Keith" from Hyderabad
 
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