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(Opposing Views)   Gallup poll is stunned that 70 percent of Americans do not like their jobs, even though millions of workers are underpaid, overworked, don't have paid sick leave or health insurance   (opposingviews.com) divider line 327
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2013-06-18 02:49:41 PM
I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.
 
2013-06-18 02:52:42 PM
I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.
 
2013-06-18 03:23:01 PM
And if you double their pay and half their work they will still believe that they are over worked and underpaid.

Then they would bitach about their co-pay for insurance.

People are always going to bitach about something
 
2013-06-18 03:49:41 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Please tell me where these "cheap" guns and ammo are.
 
2013-06-18 03:50:01 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something


Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?
 
2013-06-18 03:51:14 PM

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.

Especially when that attitude carries with it that the people who have it worse are the ones f*cking you and don't deserve what little they have.


A lot of people lack perspective.
 
2013-06-18 03:51:19 PM

PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?


Those are two different things?
 
2013-06-18 03:53:34 PM

DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?


I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?
 
2013-06-18 03:54:09 PM

Do the needful: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

Please tell me where these "cheap" guns and ammo are.


(In best Scruffy voice) SECOND
 
2013-06-18 03:54:56 PM
Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.
 
2013-06-18 03:55:24 PM
Where do I get my free Obamaphone at  ??

I'm po
 
2013-06-18 03:55:39 PM
I am well paid (although my net pay has dropped the last 3 years) and I have great benefits, but I'm still not terribly thrilled about my job.
 
2013-06-18 03:55:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DubtodaIll: Those are two different things?

I'm guessing he is talking about non-profits?


Oh man, non-profits, best pseudonymous business model evar!
 
2013-06-18 03:55:51 PM
Sounds like 70% of Americans need to buy a pair of these and start pullin'.

www.lemen.com
 
2013-06-18 03:55:51 PM
Years ago I had a boss that efter chewing the crew out for something one of his hires did told us that we were lucky to work for him. And if he wanted he would have a line around the building with 30 people to replace each one of us that would be happy to work for him. He was a delusional ahole that got fired for sexual harassment. He is a pastor now from what I hear.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:06 PM
That sounds high
 
2013-06-18 03:56:17 PM

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?


It's possible to have a completely toxic workplace that kills moral and still bring in most of the money you would have made if it wasn't so toxic.  It's a short term strategy, but that's all anyone does anymore.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:48 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


We're not preventing them from feeding their families: we're preventing them from ever accumulating wealth.  There IS a difference.  If you have nothing, it's easy to fight.  If you have just enough to scrape by, you don't want to lose that.
 
2013-06-18 03:56:52 PM
If I'm not mistaken, this is pretty much the attitude that brought unions into existence.  That being, the companies were taking advantage of the employees for no other reason than that they could (well, that and to maximize profits).  Considering what this economy is like today, it doesn't surprise me that companies are not exactly thrilled about making things better for people.  They would pretty much say, "You don't like it?  I'll have someone else in your desk by tomorrow morning."

And they wouldn't be making an empty threat.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:05 PM
Or have to pay more for health insurance because of government interference.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:20 PM

DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?


Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!
 
2013-06-18 03:57:48 PM
Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:55 PM
Money was invented to convince people who do boring or dangerous things to attempt them or coerce them into doing it for the rest of their lives. Without any incentives no one would get anything done (me first).
 
2013-06-18 03:58:07 PM
When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:11 PM
If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?
 
2013-06-18 03:58:23 PM
not to mention, every time I have to take a day off, I am reminded by at least 3 people to tell someone else I'll be leaving, and how I'm inconveniencing the company, since I'm the only person who does my job.  Also, I occasionally get texted on my days off and even on sick days to ask about job related crap.  Why should I give a shiat if I'm not there.  It's not like I don't care about my job, but I only care about it when I'm there.  It's my farking life, I just work for you.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:38 PM

lewismarktwo: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

It's possible to have a completely toxic workplace that kills moral and still bring in most of the money you would have made if it wasn't so toxic.  It's a short term strategy, but that's all anyone does anymore.


I've never worked in a place where the boss was an asshole because I've never accepted a job offer from an asshole.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:41 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


One doesn't have anything to do with the other as the gov't doesn't subsidize either for people. Except of course those who use their EBT cards as ATM cards and buy both for cash. But i get the feeling that you weren't talking about those people.

Though i don't know why anyone would be complaining what with the economy (stock market) doing so well (propped up on cheap money).
 
2013-06-18 03:58:59 PM
frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


robot6.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-06-18 03:59:13 PM
The truth is, most jobs - at best - kinda suck. Many of them really, really suck. But somebody's got to do them.

Because there just aren't that many ice cream taster or Victoria's Secret photographer or international man of mystery jobs to go around.

If you don't hate going to work every day, you're actually somewhat ahead of the game.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:22 PM
The US has the worst vacation policy of any industrial country.  In fact the United States is the only developed country that doesn't guarantee its workers either paid vacation or holidays.

It comes from the protestant backbone in this country and clearly a lot of people don't agree with that mentality.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:38 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:55 PM

johnny_vegas: frigging loafers.....40 percent of all sick days taken are on Monday or Friday,  "coincidentally" creating a 3 day weekend for the "workers".


[robot6.comicbookresources.com image 240x240]


Good quote. Let's see if it gets any bites.
 
2013-06-18 04:00:38 PM
We're just ungrateful little farkers, aren't we?  No love for the job creators, even though we'd be out on the street without them.

No wonder they hate us and want to take away our rights.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:12 PM
If people would just stop asking us for stuff, we'd all be fine.  Just kidding, we'd still hate our jobs due to boredom.  No one likes to spend 40+ hours per week doing anything.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:12 PM

MilesTeg: If you "liked" your job it would not be called work and you would do it for free.

If you like to eat, have shelter, cell phones, HD TV, broadband,  AC....

wait a minute...why am I working again?


I am lucky.  I have a second job that I would and have done for free.  Still have a pretty great time doing it.

Don't mean to smarm, but this thread is getting to be a bit of a downer.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:17 PM
This is why I never really get worked up over unemployment numbers while people acted like it was such a crime against humanity that people were dropping out of the work force and retiring.    Many people just decided that it wasn't worth it to go back into the workplace at the going market rate for their job skills.  Good.     The goal in life shouldn't necessarily be to work until the day you drop dead.    Many people feel like they have to keep working because they refuse to cut back on their consumption/spending to more sustainable and realistic levels.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:20 PM
Lowball your employees and you'll receive muted enthusiasm and underwhelming returns. Quid pro quo.

/You get what you pay for
 
2013-06-18 04:01:23 PM
also, the last time I was actually sick I had to take a couple days off because my voice was gone and I talk on the phone for a living.  I hadn't taken a sick day in almost 2 years prior to that, but when I came back I got treated like some kind of goldbrick because I happened to get sick Memorial Day weekend, so I got an "extra day off".  Sitting in the shower with what used to be food coming out of both ends wasn't exactly my idea of "time off"
 
2013-06-18 04:01:29 PM

bbfreak: Not to mention you either are discouraged from taking vacation time, or don't have vacation time at all. I've been working for the company I've been working for for a year and a half now. How much vacation time do I have? One day and a half. Nice. Oh, also no healthcare through my job or sick days. Why yes, I am quitting ASAP.


I get two week a year at my firm, which we have to accrue. So, it takes until the end of the year to actually have two weeks.

I put down for vacation at the end of july into first week of august, but i'm already getting grumblings that I may have to change it.
 
2013-06-18 04:01:49 PM

PizzaJedi81: DubtodaIll: PizzaJedi81: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People are always going to bitach about something

Can I biatch about owners who don't actually care about their business, only the money brought in?

Those are two different things?

Business in this case meaning the physical building, as well as those who work there, and, in some cases, the customers.

All they care about is squeezing every last dollar out of the customers, not necessarily bringing them back. They don't put any money BACK into the store, unless it gets to be a very very bad situation wherein they can't serve the customers, which would mean no money. Our computer system is about 8 years old and comes close to crashing about 3 times a year. Our fryers are broken to the point of needing to be replaced...but they still, technically, work. Our bun warmer hasn't been operational in....almost a year, maybe. Let's see...oh! The back door lock, which is supposed to have an alarm go off, barely locks and doesn't have an alarm!


So why aren't you fixing all these problems? If the boss sucks, and you believe you're competent enough to take his job, go to his boss, lay out all the problems, and explain how you would go about fixing them.  Do your research, show your boss' boss how your efforts would help the business and convince him/her that you're the person to do it.  Be prepared to fail, but being that you're prepared to fail you're more prepared than your boss who is already failing, so therefore, you should win.
Of course all this takes a lot of non-compensated effort and work on your part which is a hard sell to yourself.
 
2013-06-18 04:02:04 PM
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2013-06-18 04:02:33 PM

illannoyin: When you're unemployed the weekend is meaningless.


Funny thing about weekends when you're unemployed.  They don't mean quite so much.  Except you get to hang out with your working friends.
-Les Claypool
 
2013-06-18 04:03:18 PM

Aarontology: I'm really f*cking sick of this attitude that because some have it worse, you need to accept complacency. It's goddamned toxic to a society.


You need to get over yourself.  You live in a country where employeers are not even allowed to own workers anymore!  And you complain?  Disgusting.  At the ends of some weeks, most of my workers owe me money.
 
2013-06-18 04:03:49 PM
I think it's something long overlooked in the Obamacare/Universal Health Care/single payer system debates.  How many workers would, if they no longer had to worry about obtaining medical insurance, jump at the opportunity to start their own business?  What would the impact of such a boom in small businesses have on the US economy?  On available jobs?  On manufacturing?  Yes, 95% of them would fail in the first 5 years, which economically just means that all of their start-up funds were injected into the economy, rather then creating a self-sustaining cash engine.  The potential for investment and purchasing businesses would shake some of that money loose from existing businesses who have been sitting on larger and larger piles of cash reserves.
 
2013-06-18 04:03:55 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.

It'd be more effective to replicate the effects of the Black Plague and remove the majority of the workforce, giving them a bargining chip.

At least until we perfect robots for manual labor.


A super-flu would do the trick - it'd wipe out the very young & very old, which would A: redistribute wealth & provide estate taxes to the government, B: massively lessen the health insurance load, C: make jobs available for the currently unemployable young, and D: sure, babies would die, but there'd be a boom of immigration & babies from the suddenly richer younger people with new job prospects celebrating!
 
2013-06-18 04:05:13 PM
Sounds like a pollster hates their job.

/Case of the Mondays?
 
2013-06-18 04:05:28 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


I hope it starts in your neighborhood, and you get yours first.  Hey, you're right. Problem solved.
 
2013-06-18 04:06:58 PM
as capitalism and greed go skipping into the sunset hand and hand singing happy days are here again.
 
2013-06-18 04:07:27 PM

Weaver95: I think we should continue our policy of making guns and ammo as cheap and plentiful as possible while disenfranchising the electorate, making them poor and preventing them from feeding/housing themselves and their families. Thats a problem that eventually solves itself.


Sounds like someone watched "The Purge".
 
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