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(Washington Post)   Noted political strategist, presidential historian, and criminologist Donte' Stallworth weighs in on Dick Cheney's legacy, White House politics, and addresses Chicago's gang violence problem   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
    More: Hero, Dick Cheney, Chicago, White House, Mike Shanahan, Jenna Bush  
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2013-06-18 03:28:29 PM  
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2013-06-18 03:35:36 PM  
The important question Donte is not answering...

There is a man trying to walk across the street early in the morning...You flash your lights so he knows you are there...Do you then...C) Run the mutha over...

Oh wait, he already answered that one.
 
2013-06-18 03:38:34 PM  

srhp29: The important question Donte is not answering...

There is a man trying to walk across the street early in the morning...You flash your lights so he knows you are there...Do you then...C) Run the mutha over...

Oh wait, he already answered that one.


Street or highway?
 
2013-06-18 03:39:08 PM  

srhp29: The important question Donte is not answering...

There is a man trying to walk across the street early in the morning...You flash your lights so he knows you are there...Do you then...C) Run the mutha over...

Oh wait, he already answered that one.


Given his past history his tweets were...surprisingly coherent and show some modicum of careful thought. You could knock me down with a feather at this point.
 
2013-06-18 03:40:58 PM  
Twitter: The place for true political discourse.

/no
 
2013-06-18 03:56:50 PM  
So the gang problem in Chicago ISN'T a result of generations of kids growing up with no education or family structure? good to know.
 
2013-06-18 03:58:55 PM  
Judging from the number of retweets and favorites all of his tweets are getting, it looks like a lot of people care.
 
2013-06-18 04:02:58 PM  

Crewmannumber6: So the gang problem in Chicago ISN'T a result of generations of kids growing up with no education or family structure? good to know.


Oh, Donte's got you there, my friend.  He specifically says correlation, not cause.  There could be something about the style in which the US was governed that caused an increase in violence in Chicago AND the Iraq war without one event necessarily causing the other.
 
2013-06-18 04:16:29 PM  
This is America, not the UK or Saudi Arabia or wherever else there's kings and queens that run things. It would be a TRUE democracy.

What century is Stallworth living in?
 
2013-06-18 04:18:00 PM  
This reminds me of the other great political minds who take photos flexing in US flag shorts.

Did the Romans have to listen to the Gladiators' ideas about stuff and things too?
 
2013-06-18 04:22:58 PM  

bopis: This reminds me of the other great political minds who take photos flexing in US flag shorts.

Did the Romans have to listen to the Gladiators' ideas about stuff and things too?


I'm weighing whether or not I should make the obvious point that gladiators were slaves.  Property of rich citizens, and not thought of as human beings... serving only to entertain the masses in their grandiose sporting events...

:D
 
2013-06-18 04:23:21 PM  
Mercutio74: There could be something about the style in which the US was governed that caused an increase in violence in Chicago AND the Iraq war without one event necessarily causing the other.

So "poor governing" is the current cause du jour for Chicago gang violence?  I guess we can just fix how the Chicago inner cities are 'governed" and all should be fine.  Ill bet a new mayor is a good start. Who is the mayor of Chicago these days anyway?
 
2013-06-18 04:23:44 PM  

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2013-06-18 04:28:20 PM  

torr5962: So "poor governing" is the current cause du jour for Chicago gang violence? I guess we can just fix how the Chicago inner cities are 'governed" and all should be fine. Ill bet a new mayor is a good start. Who is the mayor of Chicago these days anyway?


I'm not saying that at all.  I'm sure there's more than one variable that has caused an upswing in violence.  Certainly municipal government has a hand it in, but probably also state and federal.  More likely than not, the fact that the US is still just recovering from a massive recession is a likely contributor.  Hard economic times tend to bring an increase to crime in general.

If I were to point out to you that a conservative style of government, federally, brought the US to both financial crisis and to an unneeded war in Iraq...  it would be one explanation for such a correlation.
 
2013-06-18 04:35:41 PM  

Mercutio74: Crewmannumber6: So the gang problem in Chicago ISN'T a result of generations of kids growing up with no education or family structure? good to know.

Oh, Donte's got you there, my friend.  He specifically says correlation, not cause.  There could be something about the style in which the US was governed that caused an increase in violence in Chicago AND the Iraq war without one event necessarily causing the other.


I'm not even sure how one would show a weak correlation other than straight total.

Iraq:

i.imgur.com

Chicago:

news.medill.northwestern.edu
 
2013-06-18 04:38:14 PM  

Mercutio74: bopis: This reminds me of the other great political minds who take photos flexing in US flag shorts.

Did the Romans have to listen to the Gladiators' ideas about stuff and things too?

I'm weighing whether or not I should make the obvious point that gladiators were slaves.  Property of rich citizens, and not thought of as human beings... serving only to entertain the masses in their grandiose sporting events...

:D


I guess if you wanted to infer I was racist you could make that point but it would be idiotic as Stallworth could probably buy and sell me six thousand times over. I'm looking at him solely as an entertainer, not as a potential slave.
 
2013-06-18 04:42:41 PM  

Mercutio74: torr5962: So "poor governing" is the current cause du jour for Chicago gang violence? I guess we can just fix how the Chicago inner cities are 'governed" and all should be fine. Ill bet a new mayor is a good start. Who is the mayor of Chicago these days anyway?

I'm not saying that at all.  I'm sure there's more than one variable that has caused an upswing in violence.  Certainly municipal government has a hand it in, but probably also state and federal.  More likely than not, the fact that the US is still just recovering from a massive recession is a likely contributor.  Hard economic times tend to bring an increase to crime in general.

If I were to point out to you that a conservative style of government, federally, brought the US to both financial crisis and to an unneeded war in Iraq...  it would be one explanation for such a correlation.


Biggest reason for the uptick in violence was CPD and the Feds (?) essentially breaking up the small pool of large gangs into many smaller ones by "cutting off the head." Now there are more turf wars, retaliations, et al.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/a-soaring-homicide-rate-a-divide - in-chicago.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/0 3/us/a-soaring-homicide-rate-a-divide- in-chicago.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
2013-06-18 04:46:25 PM  

redmid17: Mercutio74: torr5962: So "poor governing" is the current cause du jour for Chicago gang violence? I guess we can just fix how the Chicago inner cities are 'governed" and all should be fine. Ill bet a new mayor is a good start. Who is the mayor of Chicago these days anyway?

I'm not saying that at all.  I'm sure there's more than one variable that has caused an upswing in violence.  Certainly municipal government has a hand it in, but probably also state and federal.  More likely than not, the fact that the US is still just recovering from a massive recession is a likely contributor.  Hard economic times tend to bring an increase to crime in general.

If I were to point out to you that a conservative style of government, federally, brought the US to both financial crisis and to an unneeded war in Iraq...  it would be one explanation for such a correlation.

Biggest reason for the uptick in violence was CPD and the Feds (?) essentially breaking up the small pool of large gangs into many smaller ones by "cutting off the head." Now there are more turf wars, retaliations, et al.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/a-soaring-homicide-rate-a-divide - in-chicago.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/0 3/us/a-soaring-homicide-rate-a-divide- in-chicago.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


So that means his comparison of Chicago to Iraq, which appeared a tad bit absurd to me on the face of it, was actually quite cogent? Hussein:Iraq::Large gang leaders:Chicago?
 
2013-06-18 04:47:05 PM  

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2013-06-18 04:48:34 PM  

MmmCrime: srhp29: The important question Donte is not answering...

There is a man trying to walk across the street early in the morning...You flash your lights so he knows you are there...Do you then...C) Run the mutha over...

Oh wait, he already answered that one.

Street or highway?


From what I recall, it was on a causeway that doesn't allow for pedestrian traffic.

That's just what I have heard.

/haven't been to Miami in over a decade
//been to lazy to renew my passport
 
2013-06-18 04:56:25 PM  

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2013-06-18 05:26:14 PM  
 If hard economic times were a prevalent reason for murder rates, I would expect to see an upswing in murders and general violent crime throughout the cities that were hardest hit with high unemployment, etc. But it seems Chicago has seen a fall in murders since an early 90's peak, with a 30 year low in 2004. The Chicago black murder rate has remained constant throughout the last decade, encompassing between 70%-76% of all murders (and 70-77% of all murder victims).

So I doubt there is any common-sense correlation between a recession and violent crime as far as Chicago is concerned. Its not that Donte Stallworth is dumb, its that he's indoctrinated to ignore obvious truths about inner city violence.
 
2013-06-18 05:36:33 PM  
Vice magazine did an interesting story on violence in Chicago a few weeks back for their HBO show.

Link
 
2013-06-18 05:41:26 PM  
Woohoo, he's not a Republican.  He's still a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 05:54:23 PM  

PluckYew: Vice magazine did an interesting story on violence in Chicago a few weeks back for their HBO show.

Link


yup, the gangs each controlled their own project building. the city tore down the projects and split all the gang members across a wider range. now where there used to be a fairly top down, controlled, "everyone knew their place" situation has gone completely sideways. until the gangs find a new equlibirium, this is probably going to keep happening.
 
2013-06-18 06:04:52 PM  
Imagine no wide receivers.  It's easy if you try.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:00 PM  
Don't forget 28 days in jail for drunk driving murderer.
 
2013-06-18 09:07:53 PM  

tlchwi02: PluckYew: Vice magazine did an interesting story on violence in Chicago a few weeks back for their HBO show.

Link

yup, the gangs each controlled their own project building. the city tore down the projects and split all the gang members across a wider range. now where there used to be a fairly top down, controlled, "everyone knew their place" situation has gone completely sideways. until the gangs find a new equlibirium, this is probably going to keep happening.


How many of the shooters are returned vets who are now armed, trained, and totally farked in the head?  I know the strain on the troops has led to a nasty upswing in suicides and domestic violence, and it might also spill over into general mayhem and murder....
 
2013-06-18 09:13:15 PM  

Bonzo_1116: tlchwi02: PluckYew: Vice magazine did an interesting story on violence in Chicago a few weeks back for their HBO show.

Link

yup, the gangs each controlled their own project building. the city tore down the projects and split all the gang members across a wider range. now where there used to be a fairly top down, controlled, "everyone knew their place" situation has gone completely sideways. until the gangs find a new equlibirium, this is probably going to keep happening.

How many of the shooters are returned vets who are now armed, trained, and totally farked in the head?  I know the strain on the troops has led to a nasty upswing in suicides and domestic violence, and it might also spill over into general mayhem and murder....


Few if any if I had to guess, but I don't think I've seen any hard data. I know the armed forces have apparently been more lax in recruiting, but  77% of victims had a prior arrest history and 87% of the offenders had one as well. Those numbers are for 2011 but they've been pretty consistent for the time period in question.
 
2013-06-18 09:14:30 PM  
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2013-06-18 09:41:41 PM  
I was a bit surprised the first time I saw George Bush and Mike Shanahan in one place at the same time.
 
2013-06-19 01:47:03 AM  
Shouldn't this kind of mental retardation be on the Politics tab?
 
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