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(National Journal)   Federal Employee found to be drawing THREE separate publicly-funded pensions, in addition to his six-figure federal salary- for which he works only 4 days a week for 9 months a year. You should be ashamed of yourself, uh.."Senator John Cornyn"   (nationaljournal.com ) divider line
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2013-06-19 12:24:27 AM  

Smackledorfer: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I don't think they are poor, and frankly I don't see any bellyaching that doesn't begin with 'look at them overpaid teechers'.  But your argument is ridiculous.

Nobody should ever be paid well to do a job, because anyone hiring them, ever, should only want people who WANT to do the job.  I think my bank ceo should be a guy who loves numbers, not a guy who takes the job for the money. I think the only lawyers should be those dedicated to justice, not to the money.  I think business executives of some type should be in it for the love.

Janitors should just be hired from a pool of neat freaks.


Who pays the teacher?

Who pays the CEO?

See the difference?

You are stating that the working public should have to well pay (over compensate) public employees. I disagree with that faulty logic.
 
2013-06-19 12:38:05 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.


Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and here in New Jersey, our teachers are paid from the local property tax base. The average property tax bill in New Jersey is about $8,000 a year. In my opinion, they have a great compensation and a excellent pension/benefit plan.
 
2013-06-19 10:13:35 AM  

dantheman195: Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.

Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and here in New Jersey, our teachers are paid from the local property tax base. The average property tax bill in New Jersey is about $8,000 a year. In my opinion, they have a great compensation and a excellent pension/benefit plan.


If you are going to argue that public sector employees are all overpaid, please provide a list of what you think they should be paid so we can laugh our asses off.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:57 AM  

dantheman195: Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.

Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and her ...


So it has nothing to do with their passion for the job, you think they should make less because you are too damn cheap to want to pay for it.
 
2013-06-19 08:01:50 PM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


Teaching is more valuable to society than investment bankers or business executives are.  As I've pointed out, public school teachers in Germany can make more than lawyers there. Infinite money? No, but surely more than people who make useless things like microtrading algorithms.
 
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