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(National Journal)   Federal Employee found to be drawing THREE separate publicly-funded pensions, in addition to his six-figure federal salary- for which he works only 4 days a week for 9 months a year. You should be ashamed of yourself, uh.."Senator John Cornyn"   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 105
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2013-06-18 02:26:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


You made it through 12th grade and quit school?
 
2013-06-18 02:27:07 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.

You made it through 12th grade and quit school?


Doubtful.
 
2013-06-18 02:34:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


Really? I think 39-11-Buttonhook-Right or a Nickel Blitz up the inside would work better.
 
2013-06-18 02:35:15 PM  
DIA: 12 and out, Farkers.... 12 and out.

You had to take your mom out for a date 12 times before she would give you a blow job?
 
2013-06-18 02:41:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Do we want to not pay our judges well?


Fair enough. But then John Cornyn shouldn't then turn around and begrudge proper compensation for public employees who don't happen to be John Cornyn.
 
2013-06-18 02:46:42 PM  
Republicans are hypocritical shiat-stains. Duh.
 
2013-06-18 02:47:03 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.


I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-06-18 02:51:13 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Smackledorfer: Do we want to not pay our judges well?

Fair enough. But then John Cornyn shouldn't then turn around and begrudge proper compensation for public employees who don't happen to be John Cornyn.


Yea, I offer no defense of stupidity.
 
2013-06-18 02:54:56 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


The dildo goes in you 12 inches and THEN it gets to come out?
 
2013-06-18 02:56:11 PM  

dantheman195: AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.

I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.


Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?
 
2013-06-18 03:01:34 PM  

coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?


Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.
 
2013-06-18 03:17:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.


Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.
 
2013-06-18 03:20:58 PM  

Smackledorfer: I'd love to hear you expand on such an important and meaningful comment. But then if you actually engaged in discussion instead of silly one-liners presented as deep thoughts, you wouldn't be DIA, would you?


Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.
 
2013-06-18 03:25:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Smackledorfer: I'd love to hear you expand on such an important and meaningful comment. But then if you actually engaged in discussion instead of silly one-liners presented as deep thoughts, you wouldn't be DIA, would you?

Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.


What does this do for us then, exactly? I mean I assume you have a reason besides hurr hurr farkheads, but I wouldn't want to list the various silly reasons I've seen people support term limits in the past and then argue against them, only for you to say you have some other reason and get mad at me for making an assumption.

What does it have to do with senators who have pensions from prior work?
 
2013-06-18 03:38:18 PM  
Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?
 
2013-06-18 03:38:57 PM  

verbaltoxin: Hey look, another "Small government" conservative who spent his entire working life in the public sector!



Sigh. My dad would constantly rail against the gubmit. Thing is, during an extremely cushy career in the Air Force, they paid for his schooling, which he then used to land a high-paying GS gig. The man had the federal government to thank for everything.

I'm not saying the man didn't work hard. I'm saying that without the fed he probably didn't a chance (grew up poor). Yet all he did was b*tch about lazy fed employees.

"But dad, aren't you a federal employee who works at a desk?"

"It's the DoD. That's different."

"How?"

"It just is, son."

/remember folks - the military, even in domestic, non-combat desk gigs, is not a federal job
 
2013-06-18 03:49:56 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?


What private business or businesses could you work 13 years for and 'retire' with an annual pension of $65k? Bootstrap business, or do you have to be a political cartel to qualify?

The only place(s) I know you can get away with that is civil service and the military.

once again, can we get some WELFARE REFORM NOW?
 
2013-06-18 03:50:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".


Why are you limiting the will of voters to vote for whom they like?
 
2013-06-18 03:54:11 PM  

theorellior: Why are you limiting the will of voters to vote for whom they like?


If it's good enough for the Executive, it's good enough for the Legislative.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:19 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If it's good enough for the Executive, it's good enough for the Legislative.


And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years.
 
2013-06-18 04:04:53 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years


Imagine what they'll be like in another 30 years.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:04 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Imagine what they'll be like in another 30 years.


And the younger folks will be worse too because they'll know they only have 12 years to suck at the teat. So again, how exactly will your plan be an improvement?
 
2013-06-18 04:26:49 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And the younger folks will be worse too because they'll know they only have 12 years to suck at the teat. So again, how exactly will your plan be an improvement?


Maybe they won't take the job to "suck at the teat" as you suggest they are doing now.
 
2013-06-18 04:28:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.


That would be 24 and out.

Unless you mean for a 12-year total cap, whether it's House, Senate, or combined terms of offices. But that would require you to completely articulate an idea, which once again, you failed to do.

The Why Not Guy: And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years.


Not defending DIA, but term limits would help a little bit. The cushy "senior leaders," especially in the House, would have to live up to their campaign promises or risk facing an opponent in the primaries. We'd lose a few good members in both houses... and a lot of bad ones.

And right now some of early-career ultraderp is because these newbies are trying to stir the pot against all the greybeards. If there are no greybeards, the crackpots will simply look like crackpots.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:07 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Maybe they won't take the job to "suck at the teat" as you suggest they are doing now.


LOL are you serious? Just admit you have nothing and let's move on.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:01 PM  

clkeagle: The cushy "senior leaders," especially in the House, would have to live up to their campaign promises or risk facing an opponent in the primaries


What?? How would that be any more likely under term limits than it is now?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:12 PM  

The Why Not Guy: LOL are you serious? Just admit you have nothing and let's move on.


Quite.

Do you REALLY think that the likes of John Dingle has a single farking clue what life is like outside the beltway? Do you REALLY think that he is capable of crafting legislation that does little more than satisfy his lobby?

REALLY?

If you do, you're a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 04:40:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Do you REALLY think that the likes of John Dingle has a single farking clue what life is like outside the beltway? Do you REALLY think that he is capable of crafting legislation that does little more than satisfy his lobby?

REALLY?

If you do, you're a farking idiot.


Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that with term limits, people who run for office won't have any desire to line their pockets. You not only moved the goalposts, you moved us to a different stadium and changed sports.
 
2013-06-18 04:46:50 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that with term limits, people who run for office won't have any desire to line their pockets. You not only moved the goalposts, you moved us to a different stadium and changed sports.


Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 04:53:07 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.


I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.
 
2013-06-18 04:55:00 PM  
P.S. I'm looking for specifics. You can say "candidates will be more honest under term limits" and that sure sounds good, doesn't it? I mean, who doesn't want honest candidates? Except that there's no reason to believe it will actually be true.
 
2013-06-18 05:12:17 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.

I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.


When you are talking to DIA, you are talking to a thing that is designed to never answer or acknowledge questions. It's a character, though, not a bot, and it's played by a real person who likely does not share its views.
 
2013-06-18 05:21:15 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?

What private business or businesses could you work 13 years for and 'retire' with an annual pension of $65k? Bootstrap business, or do you have to be a political cartel to qualify?

The only place(s) I know you can get away with that is civil service and the military.

once again, can we get some WELFARE REFORM NOW?


The types of people who can get appointed as state supremem court justices would have no problems finding a similar package for working at a law firm for 13 years.
 
2013-06-18 05:29:15 PM  

Virulency: He should be fighting against that waste as a fiscal conservative


No, you see this is research. They is how they know that the system is filled with welfare queens and pensioner leeches.
 
2013-06-18 05:44:55 PM  

theknuckler_33: The biggest of Cornyn's pensions-$48,807- is from the Judicial Retirement System of Texas. He served on the state Supreme Court from 1991 to 1997.

7 years warrants a nearly 50k pension for the rest of your life?  WTF??!?!?


Hey, it's entirely legal. Stupid, unethical, and immoral -- but legal.
 
2013-06-18 07:06:35 PM  
ArkAngel: 40 years? Try 20 or so. There used to be an old trick that was very common. Serve 20 years in the armed forces, retire on half pay at 38. Join the local PD, work 20 years, retire with even more money at 58. Get government consulting/contracting job. Rake in money

"was" very common?  It still is.  Of course, after 20 years in the military you're often too broken physically to do that job.  Still, consider the schmuck above:  A desk job that's normally non-hazardous, you always have the option to quit.

20 years in military, enlisted:  Estimated retirement pay:  50% of base pay or ~$2k/month, $24k/year.  Roughly speaking, you shouldn't have to be homeless with this.  Keep in mind that that military people might be doubling their pay with non-base income.  Allowances for food & housing, for example.  So that retirement plan isn't 50% of their actual income, more like 1/3rd of it.
Double that for being a cop:  $48k.  You're probably really broken at this point, but healthcare is taken care of, and you shouldn't starve on that as long as you're not living in an expensive area.
'Cushy' contractor/civilian employee:  Pocket money, paying back the kid's college loans, etc...
 
2013-06-18 07:08:42 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.

I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.


Man, even from him with his horrible track record, this is some major cowardice.
 
2013-06-18 07:08:57 PM  
They did away with our pension at work and froze it after I was in it for 5 years.  I would have gotten about 2k a month when I retire if I had put in 30 years, the way it stands now, I MIGHT get 200 bucks a month.  Do as we say, not as we do.  Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-06-18 07:13:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.


Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.
 
2013-06-18 07:39:02 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.


If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.
 
2013-06-18 07:52:01 PM  

clkeagle: But that would require you to completely articulate an idea, which once again, you failed to do.


Yup. Explaining himself is something he has pretty much never been able to do.  Although his thread-shiatting has been down a bit as of late. I was worried karma caught up and died in a fire.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:24 PM  

Smackledorfer: Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.

If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.


If I could collect 50k at retirement with everything paid off, then yeah, that wouldn't be "bad" but the fact is, it is not going to happen.  It won't happen for 90% of the people here.  Our companies have left us high and dry and I think that's just sad and unconscionable.  More people are like my mom who gets 600 ss a month and has to make a house payment out of that.  If these people were true "public servants" they wouldn't get these large pensions while collecting 150k plus a year salary as well as other investment income and then scream our teacher are getting paid too much.  I chose my road in life, so I'm not complaining about it, but so many promises were made and broken and our politicians seem to be like, "Meh, I got mine" on both sides of the political aisle.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:37 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Smackledorfer: Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.

If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.

If I could collect 50k at retirement with everything paid off, then yeah, that wouldn't be "bad" but the fact is, it is not going to happen.  It won't happen for 90% of the people here.  Our companies have left us high and dry and I think that's just sad and unconscionable.  More people are like my mom who gets 600 ss a month and has to make a house payment out of that.  If these people were true "public servants" they wouldn't get these large pensions while collecting 150k plus a year salary as well as other investment income and then scream our teacher are getting paid too much.  I chose my road in life, so I'm not complaining about it, but so many promises were made and broken and our politicians seem to be like, "Meh, I got mine" on both sides of the political aisle.


But it absolutely can happen for the people in question, who are receiving, as per the parameters of the discussion: 50k pre-tax pension at the end of a career.

Teachers aren't overpaid imo, and could probably be paid more, but I still don't see why you can't retire with the house paid off as one.

Perhaps our disconnect is that you haven't read the portion of the thread leading up to my comment that you replied to?
 
2013-06-18 08:44:38 PM  
Smackledorfer:

But it absolutely can happen for the people in question, who are receiving, as per the parameters of the discussion: 50k pre-tax pension at the end of a career.

Teachers aren't overpaid imo, and could probably be paid more, but I still don't see why you can't retire with the house paid off as one.

Perhaps our disconnect is that you haven ...


Possibly.  If that's the case, you have my apology.  Don't really have the time to read it right now.  Was just stating my opinion on people like the ones that the article was referring to.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.  There's a guy in the shop who is retired military and draws a pension (not sure how much) and he is entitled to it.  His wife also is a nurse and makes a great wage (and she also deserves it).  So, basically 3 incomes.  We are on partial work days and we get 62 bucks a day for being off.  He was biatching about only getting 17 a day because of his pension.  He's totally 100% anti-Obama, pro teabagger, sends stupid fw,fw,fw,fw about how the welfare system is killing us and how the poor people and blacks especially are ruining white America.  I get a little irritated and it spills over a bit I guess.  No hard feelings intended.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:54 PM  

Yellow Beard: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

On what planet do teachers only get $700/month pensions?

teachers at my kids' district get 75% of their best year (typically in the $70k range) for life after 30 years +full bennies.
Don't get me wrong, I think teachers earn every penny but to state they get a pension as piddly as you claim is beyond tarded


It varies from state to state.  My wife's plan (before she left teaching) was the average of your five highest years multiplied by years of service multiplied by .0175.  So a teacher with a PhD and 30 years of service (with at least five years at max salary) would get $60,000*30*.0175 = 31,500 annually.  Not bad, but certainly not amazing.
 
2013-06-18 11:41:46 PM  

coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.


Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!
 
2013-06-18 11:45:51 PM  

rugman11: Yellow Beard: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

On what planet do teachers only get $700/month pensions?

teachers at my kids' district get 75% of their best year (typically in the $70k range) for life after 30 years +full bennies.
Don't get me wrong, I think teachers earn every penny but to state they get a pension as piddly as you claim is beyond tarded

It varies from state to state.  My wife's plan (before she left teaching) was the average of your five highest years multiplied by years of service multiplied by .0175.  So a teacher with a PhD and 30 years of service (with at least five years at max salary) would get $60,000*30*.0175 = 31,500 annually.  Not bad, but certainly not amazing.


$31,500 a year is a lot of money in certain parts of this country, sure it would suck in Manhattan or San Francisco, but no one is required to retire to those places. You have to remember, this is retirement, by that age you should own a major asset, like your home free and clear, kids should be or done with college and independent. Your debt should be zero. So $31,500 a year for "doing nothing" would be a great income in many parts of this country. Want extra? Get a part time job to supplement that.
 
2013-06-18 11:46:47 PM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


I don't think they are poor, and frankly I don't see any bellyaching that doesn't begin with 'look at them overpaid teechers'.  But your argument is ridiculous.

Nobody should ever be paid well to do a job, because anyone hiring them, ever, should only want people who WANT to do the job.  I think my bank ceo should be a guy who loves numbers, not a guy who takes the job for the money. I think the only lawyers should be those dedicated to justice, not to the money.  I think business executives of some type should be in it for the love.

Janitors should just be hired from a pool of neat freaks.
 
2013-06-19 12:13:35 AM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.
 
2013-06-19 12:15:39 AM  

coyo: dantheman195: AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.

I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.

Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?


I have never said teaching is unimportant, I am just stating that it should be fairly compensated. For example, a starting teaching in New Jersey makes about 50K a year, not too bad for job just starting out with, most college grads in other fields make a little less some a little more. So to me, that seems average and more than fair. Stick around 10-15 years, get a masters degree and you would be in around 80K or so, depending on the district. stick around another 5 to 10 years and you could top off at 90K, depending on the district, some even more, 100K is not unheard off.

The janitor in the school is also very important, they make around 40K a year (depending on the district), they are responsible for removing trash, keeping the hallways clear/clean, bathrooms clean/supplied, and so forth.

The school principal makes about 175K a year, a administrative position, mostly in charge of "paper work" aka "busy work" so to speak

If the janitor does not show up and is not replaced with substitute for that day, trash piles up and smells, bathrooms get dirty, halls are a mess, everyone would notice, students, teachers and staff would notice. The school principal, no one would notice.
 
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