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(National Journal)   Federal Employee found to be drawing THREE separate publicly-funded pensions, in addition to his six-figure federal salary- for which he works only 4 days a week for 9 months a year. You should be ashamed of yourself, uh.."Senator John Cornyn"   (nationaljournal.com ) divider line 105
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2013-06-18 12:31:05 PM  
Are they somehow complete pensions?  I mean, partial pensions are a thing that are given to people who don't work 40 years at the same job.  And they're usually available after 65, even if you keep working.

Is this wrongdoing or republican style narrative-making?

//Not that you need a pension when you're on a senator's salary.
 
2013-06-18 12:32:21 PM  
See? This is what this poor, brave American has been reduced to in Obama's socialist dystopia!
 
2013-06-18 12:32:36 PM  
Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-06-18 12:32:48 PM  

ikanreed: Are they somehow complete pensions?  I mean, partial pensions are a thing that are given to people who don't work 40 years at the same job.  And they're usually available after 65, even if you keep working.

Is this wrongdoing or republican style narrative-making?

//Not that you need a pension when you're on a senator's salary.


It's probably not wrongdoing at all. It doesn't change the fact, however, that John Cornyn is an idiot and an asshole.
 
2013-06-18 12:34:45 PM  

tnpir: ikanreed: Are they somehow complete pensions?  I mean, partial pensions are a thing that are given to people who don't work 40 years at the same job.  And they're usually available after 65, even if you keep working.

Is this wrongdoing or republican style narrative-making?

//Not that you need a pension when you're on a senator's salary.

It's probably not wrongdoing at all. It doesn't change the fact, however, that John Cornyn is an idiot and an asshole.


And one of the leading floggers of the "overpaid, lazy, Federal employee" narrative
 
2013-06-18 12:36:16 PM  
Like Newt, he does it because he loves this country so much.

//Newt just decided to f*ck a bunch of women instead of taxpayers
 
2013-06-18 12:36:27 PM  

ikanreed: Are they somehow complete pensions?  I mean, partial pensions are a thing that are given to people who don't work 40 years at the same job.  And they're usually available after 65, even if you keep working.

Is this wrongdoing or republican style narrative-making?

//Not that you need a pension when you're on a senator's salary.


Some, like the one Gov Perry gets, credits time served in National Guard*.That is why Perry gets so much money.

*partly to make up for Texas State Congressmen only working 90 days every 2 years.
 
2013-06-18 12:36:46 PM  
Hey look, another "Small government" conservative who spent his entire working life in the public sector!
 
2013-06-18 12:38:17 PM  
He sounds boot-strappy.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:42 PM  
He should be fighting against that waste as a fiscal conservative
 
2013-06-18 12:40:04 PM  
Phht, that's like 60% of Federal Workers collecting a federal pension whilst working for the Fed. Military retirees get preference for most government schedule positions to boot.
 
2013-06-18 12:40:25 PM  
Drain on the public coffers: public employees who provide vital services.
American patriots: rich white men using public funds to further enrich themselves.

We have some twisted values in this country.
 
2013-06-18 12:41:59 PM  
The biggest of Cornyn's pensions-$48,807- is from the Judicial Retirement System of Texas. He served on the state Supreme Court from 1991 to 1997.

7 years warrants a nearly 50k pension for the rest of your life?  WTF??!?!?
 
2013-06-18 12:42:50 PM  
I find it hard to believe that Senators work even that much.
 
2013-06-18 12:43:15 PM  
How is it legal to receive a government pension when still working for government?  Shouldn't that shiat have to wait until he is retired?

Of course, I am actually more surprised the motherfarker actually reported the income.
 
2013-06-18 12:45:10 PM  

trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.


Indeed. I'm okay with a pension for a job you've done. That was part of the agreement to work. But 50k a year for how long - until death? - for 6 years as a state supreme court justice? 10k for 3 years as state attorney general? Unless those jobs were nuclear physicist or elementary school teacher, I'm gonna think it's some kind of scam.
 
2013-06-18 12:45:32 PM  
And not required to show up or actually do anything if he does.

What, no farm subsidies?
 
2013-06-18 12:45:34 PM  

theknuckler_33: 7 years warrants a nearly 50k pension for the rest of your life? WTF??!?!?


Good lawyers make a lot of money. It's not an unreasonable compensation for a state supreme court justice compared to what their colleagues in private law firms make.
 
2013-06-18 12:46:37 PM  
I am not going to rip him if he is legitimately drawing these pensions.

I am going to rip the system that allows him to draw on these pensions while still working.

//is 90% of his pension going towards stopping abortions being done by Planned Parenthood?
 
2013-06-18 12:47:53 PM  

coeyagi: I am not going to rip him if he is legitimately drawing these pensions.

I am going to rip the system that allows him to draw on these pensions while still working.

//is 90% of his pension going towards stopping abortions being done by Planned Parenthood?


My bad, that was Jon Kyl, not Cornyn.  Anyway, they're all a(R-seholes).
 
2013-06-18 12:48:30 PM  
 
2013-06-18 12:48:31 PM  
Fortunately Texas has the exact senatorial representation that it wants and deserves. Cruz and Cornyn, a thumbnail sketch of the majority of the state.
 
2013-06-18 12:52:05 PM  

trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.


Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job
 
2013-06-18 12:54:13 PM  
Cornyn, who is the minority whip and the No. 2 ranking Republican in the Senate,

I don't know.  I think they're all pretty rank number 2s.
 
2013-06-18 12:54:47 PM  
Down at the bottom of the article there's this clarification:

Cornyn, unlike Perry, is drawing his pensions and salary from different levels of government. His salary is supported by the federal government, while his pensions come from state and local government.

I don't know if that makes any different that it's state and local and NOT Federal, but I thought it interesting.  He's still a bit slimy to me, but it's not out of my tax dollars.
 
2013-06-18 12:57:26 PM  

ikanreed: Are they somehow complete pensions?  I mean, partial pensions are a thing that are given to people who don't work 40 years at the same job.  And they're usually available after 65, even if you keep working.

Is this wrongdoing or republican style narrative-making?

//Not that you need a pension when you're on a senator's salary.


40 years? Try 20 or so. There used to be an old trick that was very common. Serve 20 years in the armed forces, retire on half pay at 38. Join the local PD, work 20 years, retire with even more money at 58. Get government consulting/contracting job. Rake in money
 
2013-06-18 12:58:01 PM  

dantheman195: Not bad for a part-time job


www.godlikeproductions.com

Seriously,as jealous as you are, go become a teacher and show us how awesome it is, you cretin.
 
2013-06-18 12:59:16 PM  
Another Republican suckling on the government teat.
 
2013-06-18 01:01:56 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 01:02:53 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


You sound jealous. Couldn't cut it in a job that provided decent benefits?
 
2013-06-18 01:06:31 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


God, I love how ignorant the teacher bashers are.  Thanks for making me chuckle.  "Part-time" job indeed.
 
2013-06-18 01:08:15 PM  

theorellior: dantheman195: Not bad for a part-time job

[www.godlikeproductions.com image 300x391]

Seriously,as jealous as you are, go become a teacher and show us how awesome it is, you cretin.


I believe the average public school teacher last something like five years.  Hard farking work dealing all day with a bunch of uncivilized people (i.e., kids), having administrators do all they can to undermine your ability to teach, dealing with parents that do the same, having to do a ton of paperwork because no one trusts you actually to do your job, and being shiat on by folks like dantheman.

/oh and -- if you are in math or science -- getting paid far less than any public sector job
//and there's also summer school, but I guess no one actually teaches those classes
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-06-18 01:10:01 PM  

theorellior: dantheman195: Not bad for a part-time job

[www.godlikeproductions.com image 300x391]

Seriously,as jealous as you are, go become a teacher and show us how awesome it is, you cretin.


For the crap teachers have to go through while they're doing their job: the low pay, the high level of education required, the kids (Oh God, the kids!), the sometimes awful classrooms and school buildings they have to work in, the out-dated text books and lack of new technology, and the sometimes pants-on-head retarded bureaucracy, the  LEAST we can do is give them a good pension once they retire.
 
2013-06-18 01:12:30 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


I am not a stalwart teacher defender (though I used to be one), but your ignorance is pure, unfiltered, untampered retardation.
 
2013-06-18 01:13:00 PM  

trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.


On what planet do teachers only get $700/month pensions?

teachers at my kids' district get 75% of their best year (typically in the $70k range) for life after 30 years +full bennies.
Don't get me wrong, I think teachers earn every penny but to state they get a pension as piddly as you claim is beyond tarded
 
2013-06-18 01:14:30 PM  
$48,000 annual pension for a job he held for 6 years - state Supreme Court from 1991 to 1997
$10,000 annual pension for a job he held for 3 years - Texas attorney general from 1999 to 2002
$ 6,450 annual pension for a job he held for 4 years - state district judge from 1985 to 1989


So, for 13 years on the government tit, he gets to suck that tit to the tune of $64k per year.
WELFARE REFORM NOW!
 
2013-06-18 01:15:16 PM  

Canata: Military retirees get preference for most government schedule positions to boot.


www.duffelblog.com

"It's always an honor to meet veterans of our armed forces. They're the finest men and women on God's green Earth. So what have you been up to since you left the service?"

"Well, I've been working for the US Department of Transportation for the last 20 years."

"You're a leech. A filthy, do-nothing parasite. Kill yourself and quit being a burden on the job creators."

 
2013-06-18 01:18:46 PM  

FloydA: Cornyn, who is the minority whip and the No. 2 ranking Republican in the Senate,

I don't know.  I think they're all pretty rank number 2s.


Niiiiiice.
 
2013-06-18 01:22:26 PM  
you see, but it's the poors that are ruining this country.
 
2013-06-18 01:23:09 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


1. Excellent troll
2. Mindless parrot of another person's thoughts
3. Complete idiot

You are some combination of these three things.
 
2013-06-18 01:25:39 PM  

coeyagi: I am not going to rip him if he is legitimately drawing these pensions.

I am going to rip the system that allows him to draw on these pensions while still working.

//is 90% of his pension going towards stopping abortions being done by Planned Parenthood?


And he's in a position to do Propose something about it but he'd probably vote against it
 
2013-06-18 01:29:05 PM  

Aarontology: I find it hard to believe that Senators work even that much.


Hey, attending campaign fundraisers is hard work!
 
2013-06-18 01:34:40 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


Now that's how you troll.
 
2013-06-18 01:35:58 PM  
Reading the article, I can't get all that upset. He has certainly put in his time at various high level positions. Senators make a good salary? I'm shocked.  Retiring from state supreme court justice offers a pension that helps keep one above bribery (in theory anyways)? Horrific. 10k for 3 years as texas attorney general seems high, but I doubt it is based solely on the years in that position, but rather that that was the point at which he finished working as an attorney for texas. The last is 6k for a judgeship.  

Do we want to not pay our judges well?

None of this means he isn't an asshole or whatever else people who know more about the guy feel like calling him, but a 65k pension after a lifetime of legal work isn't really all that impressive.

 

Wendy's Chili: Canata: Military retirees get preference for most government schedule positions to boot.

[www.duffelblog.com image 650x455]

"It's always an honor to meet veterans of our armed forces. They're the finest men and women on God's green Earth. So what have you been up to since you left the service?"

"Well, I've been working for the US Department of Transportation for the last 20 years."

"You're a leech. A filthy, do-nothing parasite. Kill yourself and quit being a burden on the job creators."


And a big dose of this.
 
2013-06-18 01:50:05 PM  

dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job


Wow, someone did bad in school and blames the teachers.

Guess what? The job of a teacher is a hell of a lot more important than your job.

One of the things I loved about Germany : a teacher can get paid more than the average lawyer there. It's considered a damn important job and helps give Germany an economic edge.
 
2013-06-18 01:52:34 PM  
12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.
 
2013-06-18 01:55:01 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.


FTFY.
 
2013-06-18 02:07:41 PM  

Smackledorfer: Reading the article, I can't get all that upset. He has certainly put in his time at various high level positions. Senators make a good salary? I'm shocked.  Retiring from state supreme court justice offers a pension that helps keep one above bribery (in theory anyways)? Horrific. 10k for 3 years as texas attorney general seems high, but I doubt it is based solely on the years in that position, but rather that that was the point at which he finished working as an attorney for texas. The last is 6k for a judgeship.  

Do we want to not pay our judges well?

None of this means he isn't an asshole or whatever else people who know more about the guy feel like calling him, but a 65k pension after a lifetime of legal work isn't really all that impressive.

 Wendy's Chili: Canata: Military retirees get preference for most government schedule positions to boot.

[www.duffelblog.com image 650x455]

"It's always an honor to meet veterans of our armed forces. They're the finest men and women on God's green Earth. So what have you been up to since you left the service?"

"Well, I've been working for the US Department of Transportation for the last 20 years."

"You're a leech. A filthy, do-nothing parasite. Kill yourself and quit being a burden on the job creators."

And a big dose of this.


I think part of it is he's collecting all these pensions while he's still working.  We had problems in Arkansas with people working a few years, "retiring", starting a pension for life, taking another job, "retiring", adding another pension for life, etc.  We finally had to make a rule that you couldn't start collecting retirement until you actually retired.
 
2013-06-18 02:08:29 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


I'd love to hear you expand on such an important and meaningful comment.  But then if you actually engaged in discussion instead of silly one-liners presented as deep thoughts, you wouldn't be DIA, would you?
 
2013-06-18 02:17:03 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


Twelve more threadshiats and then you're canceling your Fark account? Awesome.
 
2013-06-18 02:26:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


You made it through 12th grade and quit school?
 
2013-06-18 02:27:07 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.

You made it through 12th grade and quit school?


Doubtful.
 
2013-06-18 02:34:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


Really? I think 39-11-Buttonhook-Right or a Nickel Blitz up the inside would work better.
 
2013-06-18 02:35:15 PM  
DIA: 12 and out, Farkers.... 12 and out.

You had to take your mom out for a date 12 times before she would give you a blow job?
 
2013-06-18 02:41:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Do we want to not pay our judges well?


Fair enough. But then John Cornyn shouldn't then turn around and begrudge proper compensation for public employees who don't happen to be John Cornyn.
 
2013-06-18 02:46:42 PM  
Republicans are hypocritical shiat-stains. Duh.
 
2013-06-18 02:47:03 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.


I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-06-18 02:51:13 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Smackledorfer: Do we want to not pay our judges well?

Fair enough. But then John Cornyn shouldn't then turn around and begrudge proper compensation for public employees who don't happen to be John Cornyn.


Yea, I offer no defense of stupidity.
 
2013-06-18 02:54:56 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: 12 and out, Farkers...12 and out.


The dildo goes in you 12 inches and THEN it gets to come out?
 
2013-06-18 02:56:11 PM  

dantheman195: AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.

I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.


Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?
 
2013-06-18 03:01:34 PM  

coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?


Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.
 
2013-06-18 03:17:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.


Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.
 
2013-06-18 03:20:58 PM  

Smackledorfer: I'd love to hear you expand on such an important and meaningful comment. But then if you actually engaged in discussion instead of silly one-liners presented as deep thoughts, you wouldn't be DIA, would you?


Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.
 
2013-06-18 03:25:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Smackledorfer: I'd love to hear you expand on such an important and meaningful comment. But then if you actually engaged in discussion instead of silly one-liners presented as deep thoughts, you wouldn't be DIA, would you?

Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.


What does this do for us then, exactly? I mean I assume you have a reason besides hurr hurr farkheads, but I wouldn't want to list the various silly reasons I've seen people support term limits in the past and then argue against them, only for you to say you have some other reason and get mad at me for making an assumption.

What does it have to do with senators who have pensions from prior work?
 
2013-06-18 03:38:18 PM  
Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?
 
2013-06-18 03:38:57 PM  

verbaltoxin: Hey look, another "Small government" conservative who spent his entire working life in the public sector!



Sigh. My dad would constantly rail against the gubmit. Thing is, during an extremely cushy career in the Air Force, they paid for his schooling, which he then used to land a high-paying GS gig. The man had the federal government to thank for everything.

I'm not saying the man didn't work hard. I'm saying that without the fed he probably didn't a chance (grew up poor). Yet all he did was b*tch about lazy fed employees.

"But dad, aren't you a federal employee who works at a desk?"

"It's the DoD. That's different."

"How?"

"It just is, son."

/remember folks - the military, even in domestic, non-combat desk gigs, is not a federal job
 
2013-06-18 03:49:56 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?


What private business or businesses could you work 13 years for and 'retire' with an annual pension of $65k? Bootstrap business, or do you have to be a political cartel to qualify?

The only place(s) I know you can get away with that is civil service and the military.

once again, can we get some WELFARE REFORM NOW?
 
2013-06-18 03:50:17 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".


Why are you limiting the will of voters to vote for whom they like?
 
2013-06-18 03:54:11 PM  

theorellior: Why are you limiting the will of voters to vote for whom they like?


If it's good enough for the Executive, it's good enough for the Legislative.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:19 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If it's good enough for the Executive, it's good enough for the Legislative.


And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years.
 
2013-06-18 04:04:53 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years


Imagine what they'll be like in another 30 years.
 
2013-06-18 04:15:04 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Imagine what they'll be like in another 30 years.


And the younger folks will be worse too because they'll know they only have 12 years to suck at the teat. So again, how exactly will your plan be an improvement?
 
2013-06-18 04:26:49 PM  

The Why Not Guy: And the younger folks will be worse too because they'll know they only have 12 years to suck at the teat. So again, how exactly will your plan be an improvement?


Maybe they won't take the job to "suck at the teat" as you suggest they are doing now.
 
2013-06-18 04:28:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Term limits. 6 terms for the house and 2 for the Senate then those farkheads can go home and go back to work...as anything other than "public servants".

12 and out.


That would be 24 and out.

Unless you mean for a 12-year total cap, whether it's House, Senate, or combined terms of offices. But that would require you to completely articulate an idea, which once again, you failed to do.

The Why Not Guy: And how would this be an improvement, exactly? There's plenty of nonsense coming from people who have served far less than your 12 years.


Not defending DIA, but term limits would help a little bit. The cushy "senior leaders," especially in the House, would have to live up to their campaign promises or risk facing an opponent in the primaries. We'd lose a few good members in both houses... and a lot of bad ones.

And right now some of early-career ultraderp is because these newbies are trying to stir the pot against all the greybeards. If there are no greybeards, the crackpots will simply look like crackpots.
 
2013-06-18 04:29:07 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Maybe they won't take the job to "suck at the teat" as you suggest they are doing now.


LOL are you serious? Just admit you have nothing and let's move on.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:01 PM  

clkeagle: The cushy "senior leaders," especially in the House, would have to live up to their campaign promises or risk facing an opponent in the primaries


What?? How would that be any more likely under term limits than it is now?
 
2013-06-18 04:36:12 PM  

The Why Not Guy: LOL are you serious? Just admit you have nothing and let's move on.


Quite.

Do you REALLY think that the likes of John Dingle has a single farking clue what life is like outside the beltway? Do you REALLY think that he is capable of crafting legislation that does little more than satisfy his lobby?

REALLY?

If you do, you're a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 04:40:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Do you REALLY think that the likes of John Dingle has a single farking clue what life is like outside the beltway? Do you REALLY think that he is capable of crafting legislation that does little more than satisfy his lobby?

REALLY?

If you do, you're a farking idiot.


Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that with term limits, people who run for office won't have any desire to line their pockets. You not only moved the goalposts, you moved us to a different stadium and changed sports.
 
2013-06-18 04:46:50 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your claim that with term limits, people who run for office won't have any desire to line their pockets. You not only moved the goalposts, you moved us to a different stadium and changed sports.


Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-18 04:53:07 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.


I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.
 
2013-06-18 04:55:00 PM  
P.S. I'm looking for specifics. You can say "candidates will be more honest under term limits" and that sure sounds good, doesn't it? I mean, who doesn't want honest candidates? Except that there's no reason to believe it will actually be true.
 
2013-06-18 05:12:17 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.

I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.


When you are talking to DIA, you are talking to a thing that is designed to never answer or acknowledge questions. It's a character, though, not a bot, and it's played by a real person who likely does not share its views.
 
2013-06-18 05:21:15 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Am I supposed to be outraged when government is run like a business?

What private business or businesses could you work 13 years for and 'retire' with an annual pension of $65k? Bootstrap business, or do you have to be a political cartel to qualify?

The only place(s) I know you can get away with that is civil service and the military.

once again, can we get some WELFARE REFORM NOW?


The types of people who can get appointed as state supremem court justices would have no problems finding a similar package for working at a law firm for 13 years.
 
2013-06-18 05:29:15 PM  

Virulency: He should be fighting against that waste as a fiscal conservative


No, you see this is research. They is how they know that the system is filled with welfare queens and pensioner leeches.
 
2013-06-18 05:44:55 PM  

theknuckler_33: The biggest of Cornyn's pensions-$48,807- is from the Judicial Retirement System of Texas. He served on the state Supreme Court from 1991 to 1997.

7 years warrants a nearly 50k pension for the rest of your life?  WTF??!?!?


Hey, it's entirely legal. Stupid, unethical, and immoral -- but legal.
 
2013-06-18 07:06:35 PM  
ArkAngel: 40 years? Try 20 or so. There used to be an old trick that was very common. Serve 20 years in the armed forces, retire on half pay at 38. Join the local PD, work 20 years, retire with even more money at 58. Get government consulting/contracting job. Rake in money

"was" very common?  It still is.  Of course, after 20 years in the military you're often too broken physically to do that job.  Still, consider the schmuck above:  A desk job that's normally non-hazardous, you always have the option to quit.

20 years in military, enlisted:  Estimated retirement pay:  50% of base pay or ~$2k/month, $24k/year.  Roughly speaking, you shouldn't have to be homeless with this.  Keep in mind that that military people might be doubling their pay with non-base income.  Allowances for food & housing, for example.  So that retirement plan isn't 50% of their actual income, more like 1/3rd of it.
Double that for being a cop:  $48k.  You're probably really broken at this point, but healthcare is taken care of, and you shouldn't starve on that as long as you're not living in an expensive area.
'Cushy' contractor/civilian employee:  Pocket money, paying back the kid's college loans, etc...
 
2013-06-18 07:08:42 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Dancin_In_Anson: Jesus farking God. You are a farking idiot.

I think I have a Midol in my purse if you need one, honey.

But if you have a change of heart and decide to answer my question about how exactly term limits will change the system for the better, I'm listening.


Man, even from him with his horrible track record, this is some major cowardice.
 
2013-06-18 07:08:57 PM  
They did away with our pension at work and froze it after I was in it for 5 years.  I would have gotten about 2k a month when I retire if I had put in 30 years, the way it stands now, I MIGHT get 200 bucks a month.  Do as we say, not as we do.  Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-06-18 07:13:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.


Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.
 
2013-06-18 07:39:02 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.


If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.
 
2013-06-18 07:52:01 PM  

clkeagle: But that would require you to completely articulate an idea, which once again, you failed to do.


Yup. Explaining himself is something he has pretty much never been able to do.  Although his thread-shiatting has been down a bit as of late. I was worried karma caught up and died in a fire.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:24 PM  

Smackledorfer: Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.

If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.


If I could collect 50k at retirement with everything paid off, then yeah, that wouldn't be "bad" but the fact is, it is not going to happen.  It won't happen for 90% of the people here.  Our companies have left us high and dry and I think that's just sad and unconscionable.  More people are like my mom who gets 600 ss a month and has to make a house payment out of that.  If these people were true "public servants" they wouldn't get these large pensions while collecting 150k plus a year salary as well as other investment income and then scream our teacher are getting paid too much.  I chose my road in life, so I'm not complaining about it, but so many promises were made and broken and our politicians seem to be like, "Meh, I got mine" on both sides of the political aisle.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:37 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Smackledorfer: Bigdogdaddy: Yeah, in the perfect world.  However, if one of you have health problems and cannot earn an income, didn't get enough credits to collect social security, one makes enough that the other cannot get SSI, then you're hosed.  I would imagine there are a lot of them.

If life isn't fair and things are risky enough to complain for a couple earning 50k, then life isn't fair for 70% or so of the U.S. population, and probably 90% of the population of the world. Now maybe you agree with that statement, but maybe you don't.  I'd just like to see consistency.  Because if people don't think 50k can get 2 people by in their retirement, than everybody's farked and we should roasting marshmallows on a fire of the corpses of the rich and their yachts.  

I don't think it's that bad, but then I'm not making the claims that people here are.

If I could collect 50k at retirement with everything paid off, then yeah, that wouldn't be "bad" but the fact is, it is not going to happen.  It won't happen for 90% of the people here.  Our companies have left us high and dry and I think that's just sad and unconscionable.  More people are like my mom who gets 600 ss a month and has to make a house payment out of that.  If these people were true "public servants" they wouldn't get these large pensions while collecting 150k plus a year salary as well as other investment income and then scream our teacher are getting paid too much.  I chose my road in life, so I'm not complaining about it, but so many promises were made and broken and our politicians seem to be like, "Meh, I got mine" on both sides of the political aisle.


But it absolutely can happen for the people in question, who are receiving, as per the parameters of the discussion: 50k pre-tax pension at the end of a career.

Teachers aren't overpaid imo, and could probably be paid more, but I still don't see why you can't retire with the house paid off as one.

Perhaps our disconnect is that you haven't read the portion of the thread leading up to my comment that you replied to?
 
2013-06-18 08:44:38 PM  
Smackledorfer:

But it absolutely can happen for the people in question, who are receiving, as per the parameters of the discussion: 50k pre-tax pension at the end of a career.

Teachers aren't overpaid imo, and could probably be paid more, but I still don't see why you can't retire with the house paid off as one.

Perhaps our disconnect is that you haven ...


Possibly.  If that's the case, you have my apology.  Don't really have the time to read it right now.  Was just stating my opinion on people like the ones that the article was referring to.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.  There's a guy in the shop who is retired military and draws a pension (not sure how much) and he is entitled to it.  His wife also is a nurse and makes a great wage (and she also deserves it).  So, basically 3 incomes.  We are on partial work days and we get 62 bucks a day for being off.  He was biatching about only getting 17 a day because of his pension.  He's totally 100% anti-Obama, pro teabagger, sends stupid fw,fw,fw,fw about how the welfare system is killing us and how the poor people and blacks especially are ruining white America.  I get a little irritated and it spills over a bit I guess.  No hard feelings intended.
 
2013-06-18 09:00:54 PM  

Yellow Beard: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

On what planet do teachers only get $700/month pensions?

teachers at my kids' district get 75% of their best year (typically in the $70k range) for life after 30 years +full bennies.
Don't get me wrong, I think teachers earn every penny but to state they get a pension as piddly as you claim is beyond tarded


It varies from state to state.  My wife's plan (before she left teaching) was the average of your five highest years multiplied by years of service multiplied by .0175.  So a teacher with a PhD and 30 years of service (with at least five years at max salary) would get $60,000*30*.0175 = 31,500 annually.  Not bad, but certainly not amazing.
 
2013-06-18 11:41:46 PM  

coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.


Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!
 
2013-06-18 11:45:51 PM  

rugman11: Yellow Beard: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

On what planet do teachers only get $700/month pensions?

teachers at my kids' district get 75% of their best year (typically in the $70k range) for life after 30 years +full bennies.
Don't get me wrong, I think teachers earn every penny but to state they get a pension as piddly as you claim is beyond tarded

It varies from state to state.  My wife's plan (before she left teaching) was the average of your five highest years multiplied by years of service multiplied by .0175.  So a teacher with a PhD and 30 years of service (with at least five years at max salary) would get $60,000*30*.0175 = 31,500 annually.  Not bad, but certainly not amazing.


$31,500 a year is a lot of money in certain parts of this country, sure it would suck in Manhattan or San Francisco, but no one is required to retire to those places. You have to remember, this is retirement, by that age you should own a major asset, like your home free and clear, kids should be or done with college and independent. Your debt should be zero. So $31,500 a year for "doing nothing" would be a great income in many parts of this country. Want extra? Get a part time job to supplement that.
 
2013-06-18 11:46:47 PM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


I don't think they are poor, and frankly I don't see any bellyaching that doesn't begin with 'look at them overpaid teechers'.  But your argument is ridiculous.

Nobody should ever be paid well to do a job, because anyone hiring them, ever, should only want people who WANT to do the job.  I think my bank ceo should be a guy who loves numbers, not a guy who takes the job for the money. I think the only lawyers should be those dedicated to justice, not to the money.  I think business executives of some type should be in it for the love.

Janitors should just be hired from a pool of neat freaks.
 
2013-06-19 12:13:35 AM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.
 
2013-06-19 12:15:39 AM  

coyo: dantheman195: AdolfOliverPanties: dantheman195: trotsky: Yet they give Teachers shiat for $700/month pensions. Christ, what an asshole.

Umm not in New Jersey, the average NJEA Socialist Scum make 50K a year plus full medical benefits for life, pension wise.

Yet they still complain how "underpaid" they are

Not bad for a part-time job

God damn that is stupid.  Take that massive 50K and divide the so-called part-timeyness of it over twelve months.  Yeah, they don't work for two months, but they don't draw pay during those months unless they elect to have their pay distributed that way.

If you think less than $4200 a month BEFORE taxes is great pay, you're easily impressed and a farking idiot.

I would consider a 50K a year pension a pretty darn good gig

To have a 50K a year pension you just need the salary for the last two years of service to be around 100K a year

That is not hard to accomplish in New Jersey, just coach track and do remedial reading or some dumb crap they pay you extra money for

If you can't retire on 50K a year with lifetime medical/dental/prescriptions, you're doing it wrong.

Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?


I have never said teaching is unimportant, I am just stating that it should be fairly compensated. For example, a starting teaching in New Jersey makes about 50K a year, not too bad for job just starting out with, most college grads in other fields make a little less some a little more. So to me, that seems average and more than fair. Stick around 10-15 years, get a masters degree and you would be in around 80K or so, depending on the district. stick around another 5 to 10 years and you could top off at 90K, depending on the district, some even more, 100K is not unheard off.

The janitor in the school is also very important, they make around 40K a year (depending on the district), they are responsible for removing trash, keeping the hallways clear/clean, bathrooms clean/supplied, and so forth.

The school principal makes about 175K a year, a administrative position, mostly in charge of "paper work" aka "busy work" so to speak

If the janitor does not show up and is not replaced with substitute for that day, trash piles up and smells, bathrooms get dirty, halls are a mess, everyone would notice, students, teachers and staff would notice. The school principal, no one would notice.
 
2013-06-19 12:24:27 AM  

Smackledorfer: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I don't think they are poor, and frankly I don't see any bellyaching that doesn't begin with 'look at them overpaid teechers'.  But your argument is ridiculous.

Nobody should ever be paid well to do a job, because anyone hiring them, ever, should only want people who WANT to do the job.  I think my bank ceo should be a guy who loves numbers, not a guy who takes the job for the money. I think the only lawyers should be those dedicated to justice, not to the money.  I think business executives of some type should be in it for the love.

Janitors should just be hired from a pool of neat freaks.


Who pays the teacher?

Who pays the CEO?

See the difference?

You are stating that the working public should have to well pay (over compensate) public employees. I disagree with that faulty logic.
 
2013-06-19 12:38:05 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.


Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and here in New Jersey, our teachers are paid from the local property tax base. The average property tax bill in New Jersey is about $8,000 a year. In my opinion, they have a great compensation and a excellent pension/benefit plan.
 
2013-06-19 10:13:35 AM  

dantheman195: Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.

Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and here in New Jersey, our teachers are paid from the local property tax base. The average property tax bill in New Jersey is about $8,000 a year. In my opinion, they have a great compensation and a excellent pension/benefit plan.


If you are going to argue that public sector employees are all overpaid, please provide a list of what you think they should be paid so we can laugh our asses off.
 
2013-06-19 10:23:57 AM  

dantheman195: Philip Francis Queeg: dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!

I'm sure you want doctors who have a passion for medicine and who aren't in it for the money too, right? How about Lawyers? They should be in it because of their deep passion for justice , not for the money, right?

How about you? You don't expect to be paid well, do you? No, I bet the passion you have for your job is enough to satisfy all your needs. I bet you are so damn passionate for what you do, that you should be making even less than the teachers.

Doctors, lawyers, CEOs are generally paid for through the private sector and can be compensated fairly, unfairly, over compensated or whatever. However teachers are compensated by the tax payers. The tax payer can only afford so much and her ...


So it has nothing to do with their passion for the job, you think they should make less because you are too damn cheap to want to pay for it.
 
2013-06-19 08:01:50 PM  

dantheman195: coyo: Smackledorfer: coyo: Are you trying to say that teaching is an unimportant job that should not be well compensated?

Well, he right.  50k in today's dollars should be enough for any couple to retire on, and once kids are out of the house there is no reason both spouses shouldn't be employed, a house should be paid off, and there should be some non-pension funds available to draw on as well.  So I would agree on his statement that if you can't retire on 50k a year with lifetime insurance coverage, you are doing it wrong.

Teaching is a very important job, should be well compensated, and usually is compensated at least decently.

Teachers are surely worth at least that amount.

Why?

They are public servants, they should be compensated fairly, not well. I want to attract people who want to teach, have passion for the profession, not people who do it for the money. You want to make a boat load of money, be a investment banker, lawyer or business executive of some type. Please don't become a teacher.

I am sick and tired of teacher belly aching. Yes you are necessary, yes you do a great public service, but please, stop complaining about your compensation. You knew what the salary would be before you took your first GenEd course in college!


Teaching is more valuable to society than investment bankers or business executives are.  As I've pointed out, public school teachers in Germany can make more than lawyers there. Infinite money? No, but surely more than people who make useless things like microtrading algorithms.
 
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