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(CBS Philadelphia)   Does your computer turn itself on and go online while you're asleep at night, then turn itself back off before you get up in the morning? Sharyl Attkisson's has   (philadelphia.cbslocal.com) divider line 102
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2013-06-18 02:55:19 PM  

Do the needful: Can't wake my computer up at night without my knowledge because I leave my laptop and pc on 24x7. That being said, if I was a reporter working on reporter shiat I wouldn't be saving my precious work to a non encrypted drive for hackers to snoop out in plain text. In fact maybe she should think about going back to pen and paper for some of her more important work. I agree with most here, the level of naiveté people have about basic computer security is astounding at times.


Judging by the article, she wasn't working on anything secret on her computer.  Also, she's a reporter that was working on a story that gets..you know...read.  By people. So at best the "hacker" would have just gotten to read her outline and an early draft of her story.  So the only 'harm' done was the breaking and entering of her computer.
 
2013-06-18 02:56:36 PM  
If she doesn't like it, she should go live in a country where they have no press freedom. Like IRAN!!!
 
2013-06-18 03:00:18 PM  

Somaticasual: With a helpful pic of what netstat might look like..

//gotta get a laugh from that alone...


I don't see netstat, I see dir, ipconfig, and regedit......
 
2013-06-18 03:10:17 PM  
Old Ben Ghazi... that's a name he's not heard in a long time.  A long time.  He hasn't gone by the name of Old Ben Ghazi since oh, before you were born.
 
2013-06-18 03:12:28 PM  

China White Tea: It turns itself  on, or it  wakes up?

Because those are two really different things.


As Douglas Adams pointed out in one of his books, the concept of 'off' is outdated. Almost everything these days is in some level of standby state and it's common for real-time clock chips to also have a programmable wake-up alarm. If you're worried about it, pull the battery or physically disconnect the incoming AC power.
 
2013-06-18 03:16:47 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: I fell asleep the other night watching futurama episodes on the laptop next to me in bed while I laid on my side. Woke up several hours late with the dog whining wanting his spot to sleep... the laptop was open but turned off and when I powered it back up the dimness had been turned all the way down. I don't know if I did that or the dog did,,,


I couldn't figure out why my wireless adapter quit working on a nee laptop until my cat ran across the keyboard and stepped on the wifi button I didn't know existed.

So my cat both "broke" and "fixed" the problem.

/embarrassing
 
2013-06-18 03:22:44 PM  
YES. It does - It's called System Update where a computer downloads Windows updates, installs, then reboots during the early morning or whenever you have it scheduled.
 
2013-06-18 03:24:07 PM  
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2013-06-18 03:26:52 PM  

Kimpak: Judging by the article, she wasn't working on anything secret on her computer.  Also, she's a reporter that was working on a story that gets..you know...read.  By people. So at best the "hacker" would have just gotten to read her outline and an early draft of her story.  So the only 'harm' done was the breaking and entering of her computer.


So you only really need to be secure when you are working on secret stuff? Do you only use a password when you think someone might be trying to hack in? According to her "The intruders did have access to personal information including passwords to my financial accounts and so on, but didn't tamper with those, so they weren't interested in stealing my identity or doing things to my finances." I guess you are right. These are fine upstanding hackers. No need to worry about things like security. It just takes up time and is complicated.

Also FTA: "Whoever was in my work computer, the only thing I was working on were work-related things with CBS were big stories I guess during the time period in questions were I guess Benghazi and 'Fast and Furious.'" They must have stolen her punctuation.
 
2013-06-18 03:27:07 PM  

Gonz: teknophile4385: Article is heavily implying that it must be the NSA...

The article's heavily implying that Sharyl Attkinson doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to computers.

Here's rule #1: I don't care how good the hacker is, if there's no power to the computer, they're not getting any of your data.


Unless they are...a psychic hacker. Or a wizard. Or a ghost.
 
2013-06-18 03:38:23 PM  
I think we all know that no hacking took place, and this woman is just computer illiterate.
 
2013-06-18 03:41:46 PM  

FunkOut: Gonz: teknophile4385: Article is heavily implying that it must be the NSA...

The article's heavily implying that Sharyl Attkinson doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to computers.

Here's rule #1: I don't care how good the hacker is, if there's no power to the computer, they're not getting any of your data.

Unless they are...a psychic hacker. Or a wizard. Or a ghost.

Agrees:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

/Hot like a brewery fire
 
2013-06-18 03:50:49 PM  
Yeah, windows media center for stupid shiat like downloading the week's programming guide. But I nipped that in the bud right quick.
 
2013-06-18 03:59:29 PM  
Really? Someone is looking at what she was looking at?
Someone violated her privacy?
Wow.
Perhaps she could contact a responsible journalist or some kind of a reporter and raise concern over privacy intrusions when using the internet. This sort of thing should be brought to the attention of the proper law enforcement authorities. Perhaps, even the NSA. They surely could put a stop to this.Are they not there to protect our american way? If her civil rights were violated, nay, her constitutional rights, wouldn't it be up to just such an organization to put a stop to it?
isn't that what we pay them for?
 
2013-06-18 04:07:22 PM  
"Computers do things even when you're not on them. More at 11."
i.i.com.com
(FEMALE RIC ROMERO)
 
2013-06-18 04:11:56 PM  

GT_Frog: YES. It does - It's called System Update where a computer downloads Windows updates, installs, then reboots during the early morning or whenever you have it scheduled.


Hey, look, it's Sharyl! Welcome to fark, dumbass.
 
2013-06-18 05:15:55 PM  
I'm pretty sure my toothbrush is stalking me, but that's probably not Obama's fault.
 
2013-06-18 05:26:13 PM  
This headline reads like another Xbox one hate thread
 
2013-06-18 05:30:09 PM  

SDRR: There were just signs of unusual happenings for many months, odd behavior like the computers just turning themselves on at night and then turning themselves back off again...

stopped reading right there.

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My desktop was doing that. Well, turning on and off randomly at all hours of the day or night. I was told its likely a bad power switch or capacitor.
 
2013-06-18 05:43:28 PM  
What is this "off" you speak of?

When I leave my computer, it's left on torrenting.
 
2013-06-18 05:51:40 PM  

wraithmare: //Air gap's the only way to be sure!  And not useful.


Nottany more old timer.  The PC has WiFi.
 
2013-06-18 05:53:10 PM  

Supercampion: "Computers do things even when you're not on them. More at 11."


There was a message on the screen:  "Wear the pink undies again."
 
2013-06-18 06:14:33 PM  

wxboy: My laptop did this when it had Windows Vista on it.  It turned out that there was an auto-update scheduled for at least once a week (or day, I don't remember exactly) at 3:00 AM.  I solved that by popping the battery out when I wasn't using it.


Was Vista that shiatty about retaining Windows Update settings or are we learning about  wxboy's level of Windows administration here?
/skipped over Vista from XP right into 7
 
2013-06-18 06:23:59 PM  
The obvious problem is that they built her home over a graveyard and THEY DIDN'T MOVE THE BODIES!!!!!  Ahhhhh! Ahhhhh!  Ahhhhhh!

/why I'm probably not employed in IT
 
2013-06-18 06:27:38 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: wxboy: My laptop did this when it had Windows Vista on it.  It turned out that there was an auto-update scheduled for at least once a week (or day, I don't remember exactly) at 3:00 AM.  I solved that by popping the battery out when I wasn't using it.

Was Vista that shiatty about retaining Windows Update settings or are we learning about  wxboy's level of Windows administration here?
/skipped over Vista from XP right into 7


I'd say it's the latter.  Although when I upgraded to Windows 7 it stopped happening.
 
2013-06-18 06:51:14 PM  
What I don't get is people who turn their computer off all the time. If she means it wakes from sleep, I get that. It happens. Some updates apply during that time if you tell them to (or don't tell them not to). But if she actually turns it all the way off every day? How weird... That's like shutting off the water under the sink every night, or disconnecting your car battery after every trip. Modern computers are made to operate at low power or standby 24 hours a day.

I shut down my desktop once every few days, but that's just because it has a louder fan than most laptops or tablets and I like the quiet every once in a while. If it were silent, I wouldn't shut it down at all.
 
2013-06-18 06:56:00 PM  
I shut my computer off whenever I'm away from it like going out or to work, etc... of course I don't have an issue starting my computer up every time since it only takes 30 secs to boot up.
My wife however only shuts the lid to her laptop (hibernate essentially) since hers takes a while to boot up.
 
2013-06-18 06:56:51 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: wxboy: My laptop did this when it had Windows Vista on it.  It turned out that there was an auto-update scheduled for at least once a week (or day, I don't remember exactly) at 3:00 AM.  I solved that by popping the battery out when I wasn't using it.

Was Vista that shiatty about retaining Windows Update settings or are we learning about  wxboy's level of Windows administration here?
/skipped over Vista from XP right into 7


Vista is fine... I'm still running it on my machine that I'm typing this on... you just need to set the backups and updates properly.

The only time it reboots by itself is for major updates, but the same happens in the XP and Win7 machines.
 
2013-06-18 06:59:38 PM  

ZeroCorpse: What I don't get is people who turn their computer off all the time. If she means it wakes from sleep, I get that. It happens. Some updates apply during that time if you tell them to (or don't tell them not to). But if she actually turns it all the way off every day? How weird... That's like shutting off the water under the sink every night, or disconnecting your car battery after every trip. Modern computers are made to operate at low power or standby 24 hours a day.

I shut down my desktop once every few days, but that's just because it has a louder fan than most laptops or tablets and I like the quiet every once in a while. If it were silent, I wouldn't shut it down at all.


I never turn any of my machines off, the only reboots are updates and the once in a blue moon crash.. (I think it's either my video card or SSD that's being stupid at times)...

And if you turn your machine truly off, it's off, and will not magically turn on.  So either she's got it in stand-by, sleep or hibernation mode.
 
2013-06-18 07:00:02 PM  
I had this happen at my house. i came home and there were dozens of Safari and Firefox windows open to my (unlogged into) financial sites, the local paper... basically every single bookmark I had. I closed about 50 windows and the very bottom one was a running slideshow of pictures of my cats. After I stopped hyperventilating, I realized that the lappy was covered in cat hair and little paw prints. It dawned on my that the chilly day, combined with the warmth of a MacBook was too enticing to my cat. He must have spent the day alternately walking on it and sleeping on it. It was very odd that he somehow managed to fire up a slideshow of photos of him and the other pets in the house. (An infiinite number of monkeys may type up Shakespeare, but nothing matches the ego of a ginger cat.)

I now leave the lappy closed when I leave the house.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:34 PM  

SDRR: There were just signs of unusual happenings for many months, odd behavior like the computers just turning themselves on at night and then turning themselves back off again...

stopped reading right there.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 292x172]


I agree. This sounds like a bunch of crap. just like the audio bit I heard on npr's talk of the nation yesterday about nefarious NSA agents stealing journalist's phones, laptops and what all. (that was according to a reporter who alleged she was herself a victim and who claimed to take meticulous notes of every offense, but couldn't remember whether harassment on one occasion lasted 4, 5 days or a week or more. oh, yea, detailed and irrefutable proof our government is interfering with liberal journalists....)

I see where this is going. Now we have the government hacking into CBS journalists' laptops and leaving behind highly detectable malware to datamine? The same people who were behind stuxnet? These people could fool Iran et al but couldn't creep past a meek reporter working for CBS?
 
2013-06-18 08:34:57 PM  

SDRR: There were just signs of unusual happenings for many months, odd behavior like the computers just turning themselves on at night and then turning themselves back off again...

stopped reading right there.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 292x172]


Yeah... She's saying it's because she still has "questions" about "how Benghazi was handled" and her investigation in to the Fast and the Furious. And she also dropped this little gem: "CBS then hired its own independent cyber security firm, which has been conducting a thorough forensic exam ... they were able to rule out malware, phishing programs, that sort of thing."

So yeah, my BS detector is screaming here.
 
2013-06-18 09:03:24 PM  
windows update maybe? automatic updates restart your system when you're asleep.  I think default is like 3am or so.

but no must be NSA

/it could be NSA
//like 25% chance of NSA or some other third party.
 
2013-06-18 09:15:09 PM  

mongbiohazard: So yeah, my BS detector is screaming here.


*shrug* A PC I had a few years ago had wake-on-network set on by default. It basically did what she says hers is doing. Until I toggled the setting. Then it stopped.

/ Modern motherboards don't shut off entirely unless you perform a hard shutdown (holding the case switch down four seconds or so), and will fire up given any signal to which it's set to respond.
 
2013-06-18 10:05:54 PM  
My computer sometimes turns itself on late at night and downloads porn. It also drinks my vodka and hides my eye glasses.
 
2013-06-18 10:11:06 PM  
Does your computer turn itself on and go online while you're asleep at night, then turn itself back off before you get up in the morning?
No, and I suspect it never will in my lifetime.
 
2013-06-18 11:30:14 PM  
Could also be the laptop coming back on from standby to drop down into hibernate.
 
2013-06-18 11:37:41 PM  

Do the needful: Can't wake my computer up at night without my knowledge because I leave my laptop and pc on 24x7. That being said, if I was a reporter working on reporter shiat I wouldn't be saving my precious work to a non encrypted drive for hackers to snoop out in plain text. In fact maybe she should think about going back to pen and paper for some of her more important work. I agree with most here, the level of naiveté people have about basic computer security is astounding at times.


To be fair, I know computer nerds who have a laughably bad grasp if how their car operates. Newsflash: one man's hobby is another's commodity.
 
2013-06-19 02:18:01 AM  
When Sharyl Attkisson drives by a field...

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2013-06-19 02:53:29 AM  
My PS3 also turns itself on at night, does some shiat and turns itself off again

/I'm so very scared
 
2013-06-19 03:45:59 AM  

Strik3r: A couple of suggestions:

1. Create  NON-Admin account for Daily use
2. Use a password
3. Leave a password protected Admin account that you don't use (except in emergencies)
4. power- OFF the machine at night

You only really need to do step 4. Steps 1 - 3 are just a good idea - They preserve an "clean" Admin account which is essential to resolving any issue.


Yeah, this will protect you from the NSA... no, wait, it will protect you from people installing updates without your permission.  I got confused for a second.

(powering off the machine wont keep someone from powering it on.)
 
2013-06-19 03:58:35 AM  
Dear Sharyl Attkisson,

When the NSA hacks your computer, they won't do anything as conspicuous as turning it on when it's off. They will know what hours you use it, and hack it while you're using it.

signed, how I would do it, and the NSA is smarter than I am...
 
2013-06-19 05:58:14 AM  
I unplug my cables when I turn my shiat off for bed and I'm not even that paranoid. Just an old Captain Planet trick about saving power. I did have an old Magnavox TV that would turn on in the middle of the night even with the cord unplugged. It wouldn't have a show on, just the "hum" that accompanies a TV being on and a slight glow from the screen ( and it would make the click sound before it was "on" ). Before I got it the fark out of my house, I rationalized that it was because I kept my alarm clock which was somehow magnetized on top of it for so long. The top of the picture was greenish before the strangeness occurred....
 
2013-06-19 06:25:49 AM  
Her husband probably watches porn at night.
 
2013-06-19 07:26:02 AM  
$5 says it's some obsessed network admin at CBS that's stalking her.
 
2013-06-19 09:05:51 AM  
All the high tech farkers here with simpleton reasons for her dilemma apparently DNRTFA.
CBS hired their own forensics team to look at it, and they ruled out the obvious like power settings, virus and malware.
 
2013-06-19 09:53:59 AM  
Lots of stupid people in this thread making the assumption that both the reporter and the security firm she hired are even dumber than they are.
 
2013-06-19 10:46:53 AM  

Green Scorpio: All the high tech farkers here with simpleton reasons for her dilemma apparently DNRTFA.
CBS hired their own forensics team to look at it, and they ruled out the obvious like power settings, virus and malware.


I expect that they called Geek Squad or something.
 
2013-06-19 11:19:18 AM  

wxboy: Green Scorpio: All the high tech farkers here with simpleton reasons for her dilemma apparently DNRTFA.
CBS hired their own forensics team to look at it, and they ruled out the obvious like power settings, virus and malware.

I expect that they called Geek Squad or something.


Even if that was true, do you think those things are too complex for Geek Squad to rule out?
 
2013-06-19 01:29:16 PM  
I would take this story more seriously if it was on a website that doesn't auto-open an ad-spam window in your browser when you view it.
 
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