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(CBS Philadelphia)   Does your computer turn itself on and go online while you're asleep at night, then turn itself back off before you get up in the morning? Sharyl Attkisson's has   (philadelphia.cbslocal.com) divider line 102
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2013-06-18 09:53:06 AM  
No mine doesn't. The power is killed to mine each night
 
2013-06-18 10:00:50 AM  
My laptop did this when it had Windows Vista on it.  It turned out that there was an auto-update scheduled for at least once a week (or day, I don't remember exactly) at 3:00 AM.  I solved that by popping the battery out when I wasn't using it.
 
2013-06-18 10:13:21 AM  
She can disconnect wake-on-LAN, disable network adapters, unplug (if it's a desktop)/remove the battery (laptop), put it in a copper-lined box, get a better firewall...

Reporters often seem surprised that computer security is a thing, even for personal computers (or perhaps especially so) - and the fact that the DoJ just crawled up AP's pooper and the NSA is watching your metadata should make reporters that much more sensitive.

// I bet her home network is WEP
 
2013-06-18 10:24:29 AM  
I fell asleep the other night watching futurama episodes on the laptop next to me in bed while I laid on my side. Woke up several hours late with the dog whining wanting his spot to sleep... the laptop was open but turned off and when I powered it back up the dimness had been turned all the way down. I don't know if I did that or the dog did,,,
 
2013-06-18 10:34:12 AM  
Well, lots of computers at my client sites do this because of automated updates, WSUS, or automated asset management probing.  She should probably have a conversation with her IT guys first.
 
2013-06-18 10:39:07 AM  
I see she's been asking questions about Benghazi.
 
2013-06-18 10:44:03 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: I fell asleep the other night watching futurama episodes on the laptop next to me in bed while I laid on my side. Woke up several hours late with the dog whining wanting his spot to sleep... the laptop was open but turned off and when I powered it back up the dimness had been turned all the way down. I don't know if I did that or the dog did,,,


Does your laptop have an ambient light sensor? Mine does, and it sometimes flakes out and cranks the brightness all the way up or down.
 
2013-06-18 10:44:49 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // I bet her home network is WEP


I doubt it's even that.
 
2013-06-18 10:45:37 AM  

xenophon10k: CapeFearCadaver: I fell asleep the other night watching futurama episodes on the laptop next to me in bed while I laid on my side. Woke up several hours late with the dog whining wanting his spot to sleep... the laptop was open but turned off and when I powered it back up the dimness had been turned all the way down. I don't know if I did that or the dog did,,,

Does your laptop have an ambient light sensor? Mine does, and it sometimes flakes out and cranks the brightness all the way up or down.


No earthly idea. I know I can adjust the brightness with a tab button, but that's it.
 
2013-06-18 11:26:16 AM  
I love their image of "hacking."

cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com

They've done an ipconfig and a dir search for mfc42ui.dll on a German machine, and then launched the registry editor from a command line. Hacking!
 
2013-06-18 11:42:33 AM  
FTFA:"So people can decide on their own what they might have been trying to do in there."


Thanks!  I have decided that the ghost of Murrow was checking to see if you had stopped being a hack reporter yet.  Fox News is going to drag your ass into court if you keep infringing on their "We imply, you fill in the blanks" schtick.
 
2013-06-18 11:59:56 AM  
My laptop randomly turns on and off at times. Not sure what it's doing. I notice because I have it hooked up to my TV and every time it turns on I get the prompt to switch the input over to that HDMI port.
 
2013-06-18 12:21:43 PM  
NSA.

Vigilant even as you sleep.
 
2013-06-18 12:21:51 PM  
Sometimes my wireless keyboard will wake my laptop.

Hacking.
 
2013-06-18 12:27:03 PM  

TwistedIvory: I love their image of "hacking."

[cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com image 300x209]

They've done an ipconfig and a dir search for mfc42ui.dll on a German machine, and then launched the registry editor from a command line. Hacking!


Obligatory
 
2013-06-18 12:28:38 PM  
Thanks Obama!

/Gonna turn off the power bar from now on.
 
2013-06-18 12:31:25 PM  

TwistedIvory: I love their image of "hacking."



They've done an ipconfig and a dir search for mfc42ui.dll on a German machine, and then launched the registry editor from a command line. Hacking!


A command line means you're a hacker
 
2013-06-18 12:32:57 PM  
Article is heavily implying that it must be the NSA...
 
2013-06-18 12:33:06 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-18 12:33:59 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: xenophon10k: CapeFearCadaver: I fell asleep the other night watching futurama episodes on the laptop next to me in bed while I laid on my side. Woke up several hours late with the dog whining wanting his spot to sleep... the laptop was open but turned off and when I powered it back up the dimness had been turned all the way down. I don't know if I did that or the dog did,,,

Does your laptop have an ambient light sensor? Mine does, and it sometimes flakes out and cranks the brightness all the way up or down.

No earthly idea. I know I can adjust the brightness with a tab button, but that's it.


Was it plugged in on or battery.  A power saving option is to dim the display.
 
2013-06-18 12:34:15 PM  
My wife once found a Cd with some  porn on it.


/Fookin Hackers!!!!
 
2013-06-18 12:35:15 PM  
It turns itself  on, or it  wakes up?

Because those are two really different things.
 
2013-06-18 12:51:33 PM  
There were just signs of unusual happenings for many months, odd behavior like the computers just turning themselves on at night and then turning themselves back off again...

stopped reading right there.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-18 12:54:16 PM  

naughtyrev: I see she's been asking questions about Benghazi.


and Fast and Furious.
 
2013-06-18 01:06:22 PM  

wxboy: My laptop did this when it had Windows Vista on it.  It turned out that there was an auto-update scheduled for at least once a week (or day, I don't remember exactly) at 3:00 AM.  I solved that by popping the battery out when I wasn't using it.


or, you know, could have changed the settings...
 
2013-06-18 01:06:56 PM  
this was happening to a neighbor's desktop. she lives alone and is not much of a housekeeper. while looking things over i noticed some mouse shaite on the floor and since she eats and drinks in front of the puter and i told her it was probably a mouse getting at the crumbs around the keyboard and mouse. i turned off sleep mode and she is happy now. the house is probably still filthy since she gave a pained look when i suggested cleaning up was maybe the best thing to do.
 
2013-06-18 01:08:37 PM  
Does your computer turn itself on and go online while you're asleep at night

No, but my chewing gum does lose its flavor on the bedpost.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:21 PM  
Does the computer have a built in webcam and does she personally know an IT professional?
 
2013-06-18 01:17:19 PM  

teknophile4385: Article is heavily implying that it must be the NSA...


The article's heavily implying that Sharyl Attkinson doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to computers.

Here's rule #1: I don't care how good the hacker is, if there's no power to the computer, they're not getting any of your data.
 
2013-06-18 01:20:44 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]


Way too subtle!
 
2013-06-18 01:29:43 PM  
"Whoever was in my work computer, the only thing I was working on were work-related things with CBS were big stories I guess during the time period in questions were I guess Benghazi and 'Fast and Furious.' "

Miss Utah?
 
2013-06-18 01:38:21 PM  
BENGHAZI!!!!!!
 
2013-06-18 01:42:55 PM  

StopLurkListen: BENGHAZI!!!!!!


Yes.

Ben Ghazi. He's a hell of nice guy. Lives down the block, works at Honda. What's it to you Mr. Nosey?

-- He likes to be called Benny by his friends.
 
2013-06-18 01:44:43 PM  
Might be fun to put the box on an old hub along with a second machine and wireshark.
 
2013-06-18 01:50:43 PM  
DNRTFA

"I swear honey! it wasn't me! the computer turns itself on, downloads porn, leaves the lotion cap off and steals beer from the fridge, then turns itself off."
 
2013-06-18 01:50:47 PM  

China White Tea: It turns itself  on, or it  wakes up?

Because those are two really different things.


Exactly.  I've never had a machine power itself on after shutdown, no matter what schedulers or automated task I had running.  I have had numerous machines come out of sleep/hibernation to perform automated tasks in the middle of the night, then go back to sleep.
 
2013-06-18 01:53:41 PM  
So there's a lot of people that aren't aware that you can log in remotely to someone's laptop if you can get access to it over the internet, or if it's on a WiFi network and not secure enough.  There's also network interfaces on some systems with Boot ROMs that will power up the system remotely.  Then there's just the mundane scheduled tasks that might turn your system on or wake it up.  Christ, my PS3 turns on to auto-patch and auto-backup every night at 2am.  This is not new technology.
 
2013-06-18 01:55:13 PM  
Even if that's true and not something mundane like a scheduled software update running,the only way it's still an issue is if you don't require a password on resume or your password is compromised.

And if your password is compromised, especially if your account has rights to admin shares on the box, they don't need to be as obvious as WOL'ing your machine if all they want to see is your files.

Journalists and users act like this sort of thing is some mystifying and arcane hacker shiat, but it sounds to me like somebody, at some point, gained physical access to the machine and set the WOL option in the BIOS. A pretty basic and legitimate feature. I'd bet good money that at some point in the last few months she came back to her machine and found that it was off or restarted and she could just swear she had only locked it when she got up. Either that or she has no user account with a password or doesn't bother locking her machine when she walks away from it like so many other people.

Oh well. The continued refusal of users to learn even the most elementary features of their devices keeps me employed in a fairly easy job with good pay, I guess.
 
2013-06-18 01:58:31 PM  
Yeah... Let's program a virus that conspicuously turns on the computer in the middle of the night. That won't raise any eyebrows.
 
2013-06-18 02:06:10 PM  

AngryDragon: NSA.

Vigilant even as you sleep.


This would fit in well with the NSA hacking of seemingly irrelevant (from a national security standpoint) in China. I speculate that they're using those machines to hack into machines in the US and make it appear that the big, bad Commies are responsible.
 
2013-06-18 02:06:45 PM  
*seemingly irrelevant systems.

I previewed, too...
 
2013-06-18 02:10:19 PM  
If only the NSA would hack my computer like this, I'd find the malware, reverse engineer it, and post how it worked all over the Internet.  This happened with Stuxnet, which is probably from U.S. and/or Israeli spy agencies.
 
2013-06-18 02:19:29 PM  
A couple of suggestions:

1. Create  NON-Admin account for Daily use
2. Use a password
3. Leave a password protected Admin account that you don't use (except in emergencies)
4. power- OFF the machine at night

You only really need to do step 4. Steps 1 - 3 are just a good idea - They preserve an "clean" Admin account which is essential to resolving any issue.
 
2013-06-18 02:23:44 PM  
Thank FSM that bush is out and the party of hope-y_change-y has stopped the government from attacking people they disagree with.

// sorry ... it's only wrong when a republican does it.
 
2013-06-18 02:36:20 PM  
My PS3 does this. NSA must be after my trophies.
 
2013-06-18 02:36:25 PM  
With a helpful pic of what netstat might look like..

//gotta get a laugh from that alone...
 
2013-06-18 02:37:18 PM  
Attkisson could not speak about whether the hacking was related to her questions about Benghazi because of "legal counsel," but she did say her work at that time was primarily on the occurrence.

I'm guessing it had more to do with you wanting to find out what friends had recently viewed your Facebook profile, or perhaps trying to win a free iPad.
 
2013-06-18 02:38:57 PM  

Myria: If only the NSA would hack my computer like this, I'd find the malware, reverse engineer it, and post how it worked all over the Internet.  This happened with Stuxnet, which is probably from U.S. and/or Israeli spy agencies.


It was both agencies and thanks to the Israelis botching the code, we know about it. It was never supposed to leave the Iranian network at the plant, but to keep the Israelis from bombing the place we let them work on the code. They screwed up the protection to let it off the network, and boom went the dynamite.

/That's what I read.
//Air gap's the only way to be sure!  And not useful.
 
2013-06-18 02:40:25 PM  
Can't wake my computer up at night without my knowledge because I leave my laptop and pc on 24x7. That being said, if I was a reporter working on reporter shiat I wouldn't be saving my precious work to a non encrypted drive for hackers to snoop out in plain text. In fact maybe she should think about going back to pen and paper for some of her more important work. I agree with most here, the level of naiveté people have about basic computer security is astounding at times.
 
2013-06-18 02:50:24 PM  

wraithmare: Air gap's the only way to be sure


Like most information security measures, it only attenuates the bandwidth and/or increases latency.
 
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