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2013-06-18 03:48:01 PM

quizzical: Quantum Apostrophe:

Our sun is going to die someday.  If humanity wants to continue beyond that point, we had best figure out how to be somewhere else by then.


On that time scale, evolution is a much bigger issue. We may have crossed our selves with water bears by then.
 
2013-06-18 03:53:19 PM
And here he seemed so civil in the thread the other day.

/well, about as civil as this prick gets
 
2013-06-18 04:22:23 PM

quizzical: Quantum Apostrophe:

Our sun is going to die someday.  If humanity wants to continue beyond that point, we had best figure out how to be somewhere else by then.


Evolution is still happening. There won't be a human race far before that anyways. Unless you want to figure out how DNA works and make sure to keep it static?

Mentalpatient87: And here he seemed so civil in the thread the other day.

/well, about as civil as this prick gets


Not my fault your skin thickness is measured in quarks. If you had the conviction of your faith, a gadfly like me shouldn't bother you, eh?

rustypouch: Oerath: Quantum Apostrophe: You and KellyX just better put away the crap you were fed as a kid and grow up.

Wow. What dreams of yours were smashed by the difficulties of reality? Just because shiat is hard doesn't mean you should just give up on it. Are you always this much of a colossal dick? Or did you just decide to take a break from the Politics tab to swing by and yell at people who disagree with you about space travel?

I have QA farkied as 'anti tech troll.'

Threads like this show I was correct in my judgement.


Except that I am working on increasing the speed of a DDR3 bus and I am sitting between two high performance oscilloscopes. You?

And your other error is thinking that repeating the same old parlor trick is somehow "tech" after you've done it for nearly half a century.

But hey, let's keep pretending space isn't empty.

WippitGuud: Quantum Apostrophe: bbfreak: OnlyM3: Brilliant .. hire a PC bunch with zero plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere.

Yes, if only there was a shuttle successor in the works. Oh wait.

CGI != reality.

Last time I checked, one of those is not CGI

[i.space.com image 575x431]


And that just leaves all my other points. What the hell is that ridiculous thing anyways? The unmanned freeze-dried oatmeal delivery van?

SewerSquirrels: Maybe if we go to Mars, it's because we want to.


Who is "we"? A bunch of delusional nerds? Who is this glorious "we" you keep referring to?

SewerSquirrels: Maybe, in another couple thousand years, if we leave the Solar system, it's because we want to.


I think the Solar System will still be the same size by then, ie, quite large and empty. And what do you care about what happens when you're dead? This is all starting to get religious again.

SewerSquirrels: Or maybe we should just stop dreaming and climb back into the trees because dreaming is for schmucks and space nutters, right QA?


Yes, these are the only options. Your simple-minded view of things is quite telling.

By your logic, any dream is valid and feasible, right? Or only yours is valid because it represents such emotional symbolism??
 
2013-06-18 04:26:50 PM

SewerSquirrels: If we put people on Mars, perhaps the point isn't what we might find there or even the spin off technology that are derived. Maybe the point is that "we" are there.


My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth.  They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.
By going to mountains, and even going to the moon, we forestall the effects of social decay.  We tease ourselves with the possibilities and give future generations something to work for.   We believe in the future because (by way of these missions) we experience our nations expansion.

The problem now is that the 60's moon promise is proving to be an empty one.
Missions based on theory have to become factual events, and those events have to lead to expansion.
People want to sample the frontier for themselves.
 
2013-06-18 04:33:21 PM

stevetherobot: What about the men being sent to Uranus?


I do need assistance eradicating some Klingons.
 
2013-06-18 04:34:09 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: [i.space.com image 575x431]

And that just leaves all my other points. What the hell is that ridiculous thing anyways? The unmanned freeze-dried oatmeal delivery van?


Yes. The unmanned freeze dried delivery van.

Your homework for tonight: compare how much cargo DragonX can carry compared to how much Soyuz can carry.

For extra credit, compare the cost-per-seat of Soyuz to the cost-per-seat when the DragonRider variant of DragonX is operational.
 
2013-06-18 04:49:44 PM

way south: My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth. They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.


Here's the problem: we're not going anywhere for the next hundred years, if ever.  We as humans need to learn to deal with this reality -- failure to adapt will break us.
 
2013-06-18 05:05:54 PM
TIL: SpaceX is planning to send one-way cargo modules to Mars starting in 2016, in preparation for human colonists.
 
2013-06-18 05:08:37 PM

WippitGuud: For extra credit, compare the cost-per-seat of Soyuz to the cost-per-seat when the DragonRider variant of DragonX is operational.


OK, as soon as you tell me why we need this. Without resorting to circular reasoning, and maybe answering these simple questions:

img.fark.net
How does going to point A help anything at all?

Assume Dragon X is free. Now what?

PS: "d" is the Moon. Let that sink in for a while.

way south: People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth.


That has only been the social model for a few centuries. It will change. It will have to. We can live perfectly happy lives without the constant goading of cancerous growth for growth's sake. Children eventually stop growing. So will we. Children also eventually die. So will the human race.

Unless you want to learn how matter becomes life and how to monkey with that? Hm?

Nations that don't explore are doomed.

That makes no sense whatsoever, but the usual doom and gloom and darkly gothic romantic end-of-the-world angst is noted.

Myria: way south: My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth. They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.

Here's the problem: we're not going anywhere for the next hundred years, if ever.  We as humans need to learn to deal with this reality -- failure to adapt will break us.


No one wants to confront that reality. This space nonsense is the last gasp of our current social paradigm. Like the Pyramids, this will stand as a monument to ego.

It will also be completely ignored by future generations, or at best just be part of the background while the human race makes new arrangements right here.

No one is going anywhere. It's over. Finished. The limits of materials and energy sources make it so. No amount of hand-waving and desperate appeals to emotions will change that.

We have everything and everyone we need right here.
 
2013-06-18 05:16:40 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: And how is space being explored by going up 0.1 Earth radii?


Going further is exploring, as in physically exploring. I don't think you will find anyone who really supports manned space programs who thinks we should be stuck dickering around in LEO, quite the opposite in fact. But there continues to be valuable research done at the ISS.

Quantum Apostrophe: Evolution is still happening. There won't be a human race far before that anyways. Unless you want to figure out how DNA works and make sure to keep it static?


While we will continue to evolve, if we maintain as a stable population with lots of gene flow (which while we have multiple distinct populations now they have always had enough gene flow to keep us as a single species, and the amount of gene flow is greater now than ever) we will continue to be a single species.

Now if something happens that populations of people start going their different ways with enough separation to speciate...

Either way the definition of a "species" and whether our descendants, although genetically different from us would be a different species or not is more of a philosophical distinction based on our love of categorization than anything.

In other words, it is an irrelevant distinction in this case.
 
2013-06-18 05:18:35 PM

Myria: way south: My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth. They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.

Here's the problem: we're not going anywhere for the next hundred years, if ever.  We as humans need to learn to deal with this reality -- failure to adapt will break us.


Here's a thought, not everyone who thinks manned space exploration is worthwhile as a scientific endeavour thinks we will be living on the moon or mars anytime soon.
 
2013-06-18 05:27:01 PM

Myria: way south: My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth. They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.

Here's the problem: we're not going anywhere for the next hundred years, if ever.  We as humans need to learn to deal with this reality -- failure to adapt will break us.




On that I'm not so certain.
Humans will go places because its in our nature. The technology for space has proliferated and its become more affordable. The desire is there and we have more than a few good business, social, and political reasons to go. Someone is going to push the button and I don't think it will be very long from now before we're founding actual space colonies or long duration missions.

I'm not so sure that America will take part in this, because we're overdue for a collapse. We've got a failure of leadership and a crumbling society held in place by the house of cards that is wall street. NASA may never send another man into space on an American rocket.

...But that won't end space travel any more than the fall of Germany or the British empire ended mans desire to explore.
If you've got a nation hungry for expansion then its not like you've got anywhere else to go (that won't involve shooting people first).
 
2013-06-18 05:34:24 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: WippitGuud: For extra credit, compare the cost-per-seat of Soyuz to the cost-per-seat when the DragonRider variant of DragonX is operational.

OK, as soon as you tell me why we need this. Without resorting to circular reasoning, and maybe answering these simple questions:

[img.fark.net image 850x89]
How does going to point A help anything at all?


If you're going to try to get people out away from earth, you're going to need larger vehicles to do it. It is a lot easier to build the vehicle in LEO than to try to launch something capable of a 2 year flight from the ground. Building them in orbit also means they don't have to be build to actually survive the launch... the ISS certainly could not have

Assume Dragon X is free. Now what?

Now it becomes a lot easier to build those ships, ans it's free to get the materials in space. It's also means it's easier for the Red Dragon and Mars One Dragon capsules to start to be used.
 
2013-06-18 05:35:33 PM

entropic_existence: Here's a thought, not everyone who thinks manned space exploration is worthwhile as a scientific endeavour thinks we will be living on the moon or mars anytime soon.


That may be true, but "way south" was talking about how a lack of expansion is problematic.  Pure exploration isn't expansion.

Exploration needs to be considered--and budgeted--as a purely scientific and technological endeavor.
 
2013-06-18 06:28:54 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: WippitGuud: For extra credit, compare the cost-per-seat of Soyuz to the cost-per-seat when the DragonRider variant of DragonX is operational.

OK, as soon as you tell me why we need this. Without resorting to circular reasoning, and maybe answering these simple questions:

[img.fark.net image 850x89]
How does going to point A help anything at all?

Assume Dragon X is free. Now what?

PS: "d" is the Moon. Let that sink in for a while.

way south: People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth.

That has only been the social model for a few centuries. It will change. It will have to. We can live perfectly happy lives without the constant goading of cancerous growth for growth's sake. Children eventually stop growing. So will we. Children also eventually die. So will the human race.

Unless you want to learn how matter becomes life and how to monkey with that? Hm?

Nations that don't explore are doomed.

That makes no sense whatsoever, but the usual doom and gloom and darkly gothic romantic end-of-the-world angst is noted.

Myria: way south: My belief is that it serves our social need to explore.
Nations that don't explore are doomed. People quickly realize that the lack of expansion means the loss of opportunity and growth. They stop investing and creating, preparing for the inevitable collapse or moving to greener pastures.

Here's the problem: we're not going anywhere for the next hundred years, if ever.  We as humans need to learn to deal with this reality -- failure to adapt will break us.

No one wants to confront that reality. This space nonsense is the last gasp of our current social paradigm. Like the Pyramids, this will stand as a monument to ego.

It will also be completely ignored by future generations, or at best just be part of the background while the human race makes new arrangements right here.

No one is going anywhere. It's over. Finished. The limits of materials and energy sources make it so. No amount of ...


Man, you are fixated. I do somewhat agree with you that manned space ATM won't give us much better chances to survive on other planets (although the spin-off products are beneficial), and that it is foolish of us to try to plan out a trip to other star systems right now, your overreaching, absolute, finalistic views are more ridiculous than those you perceive 'space nutters'. Who knows what kind of technology we will develop, even only in the next millennium? Scientists are already exploring the fringes of possibility of teleportation, and, as I'm sure you know, advances in life-extension/preservation are going on right now. Some day, almost certainly, we will be able to at least set up some sort of base or colony outside of Earth, and to assume otherwise is short-sighted.

In regards to your points about human kind not existing billions of years in the future, so what? Technically the human race won't likely exist, but some evolution of us, or maybe other terrestrial intelligent life will probably be present, so that point is essentially invalid.

And, what exactly, are the limits of energy and materials that will prevent our extraterrestrial expansion? Look at how far we have come only in the last century in these regards. More supermaterials are being developed, and fusion is a potentially a new source that will probably be used by the end of the century, at the most.
 
2013-06-18 06:36:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Not my fault your skin thickness


My skin thickness, right. That's rich. I'm clearly the easily offended one here.
 
2013-06-18 06:57:21 PM
Damn, all the good jokes are gone.  Back in the day, trolling meant something.
 
2013-06-18 07:03:14 PM
Quantum Apostrophe:

Tell it to the universe that has given us limited materials and energy sources. No one's going anywhere. And it's not my fault.

But hey, let's keep pretending space isn't empty.


"It has been suggested that platinum, cobalt and other valuable elements from asteroids may be mined and sent to Earth for profit, used to build solar-power satellites and space habitats and water processed from ice to refuel orbiting propellant depots.

In fact, all the gold, cobalt, iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium, ruthenium, and tungsten mined from Earth's crust, and that are essential for economic and technological progress, came originally from the rain of asteroids that hit Earth after the crust cooled."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining

So, no, space isn't empty.  And no, we don't have as limited supply as you suggest.  And, yes, we will be using your tax dollars to mine the asteroids.

/deal with it, lol
 
2013-06-18 07:04:55 PM

Myria: entropic_existence: Here's a thought, not everyone who thinks manned space exploration is worthwhile as a scientific endeavour thinks we will be living on the moon or mars anytime soon.

That may be true, but "way south" was talking about how a lack of expansion is problematic.  Pure exploration isn't expansion.

Exploration needs to be considered--and budgeted--as a purely scientific and technological endeavor.


I think ultimately, if we want to get in to extremely long-term planning (on the order of centuries or longer) expansion of some sort is a feasible and realistic goal. But we are talking very long-term planning, which unfortunately most people are really, really bad at. Especially politicians who think in terms of 4-year election cycles.

NASA is currently budgeted from a purely scientific and exploratory perspective. Well, actually it also gets some military consideration as well, which is is the largest science oriented budget item or department.  To put budget its in perspective, NASA currently receives0.48% of the federal budget. At the height of the space race, in 1966, it was4.41%.
 
2013-06-18 07:05:05 PM
We won't be able to get to another "class M" planet, and we won't colonize another planet, and we won't find people we can bone..er...talk to in space. But having a space program is awesome because so much useful science has come out of it. I'm all for useful science. NASA seems to be the only way we really can get useful science going without regard for the almighty dollar.

And to those of you on the snark train about how the women look, check in with us after you've gotten a PhD and gotten into the space program.
 
2013-06-18 07:15:13 PM

Myria: entropic_existence: Here's a thought, not everyone who thinks manned space exploration is worthwhile as a scientific endeavour thinks we will be living on the moon or mars anytime soon.

That may be true, but "way south" was talking about how a lack of expansion is problematic.  Pure exploration isn't expansion.

Exploration needs to be considered--and budgeted--as a purely scientific and technological endeavor.




If you want a bigger budget for science then you have to relate how that science relates to the lives of common folks. We understand exploration in the sense of "someday we'll go there". We understand science in the sense of "someday, this will make my life better".

Treated as purely scientific endeavor, something like Apollo becomes a monument instead of a mile mark. Its got to be brought home to the public so new horizons can be set.
 
2013-06-18 07:32:17 PM
It's amazing how much ignoring one user and posts that mention them clean up this thread.
 
2013-06-18 07:40:43 PM

way south: If you want a bigger budget for science then you have to relate how that science relates to the lives of common folks.


Not so much science per se, but the development needed to do the missions... and yes, "spin-off" arguments are complicated by the fact that most of these technologies would've been developed to commercial feasibility (and some aren't quite there yet) anyhow. But I don't think one can argue that their development wasn't greatly accelerated by their application to spaceflight, both manned and unmanned.

Fuel Cells
Compact Electronics
Aerogels
Large scale Friction Stir Welding
Failure Analysis techniques
Closed-System Recycling
Genderless Docking Fixtures
...
 
2013-06-18 07:41:03 PM

AndreMA: It's amazing how much ignoring one user and posts that mention them clean up this thread.


Yup. Also, Fark would be a better place if everyone ignored QA instead of fighting with him senselessly.
 
2013-06-18 07:53:56 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: WippitGuud: For extra credit, compare the cost-per-seat of Soyuz to the cost-per-seat when the DragonRider variant of DragonX is operational.

PS: "d" is the Moon. Let that sink in for a while.


Wow! That sure is a long way. You'd think it would take a lot more than 3 days to get there. But nope. Granted, Mars will be longer, but nothing ventured nothing gained. As long as there is a higher mountain, somebody is eventually going to climb it. (That, by the way, was metaphor.)

Why don't you run along and pick out some nice ocean front property on Pangaea just in case you figure out how to be immortal. Might I recommend not spending so much time pissing people off as a first step toward immortality.
 
2013-06-18 09:24:12 PM

bbfreak: AndreMA: It's amazing how much ignoring one user and posts that mention them clean up this thread.

Yup. Also, Fark would be a better place if everyone ignored QA instead of fighting with him senselessly.


QA is what makes Fark interesting, people trying to be part of a group, not so much.

/no offense
 
2013-06-18 10:15:11 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: QA is what makes Fark interesting, people trying to be part of a group, not so much.


Funny, I have that same reaction to UltraFark
 
2013-06-18 11:23:17 PM

AndreMA: AlwaysRightBoy: QA is what makes Fark interesting, people trying to be part of a group, not so much.

Funny, I have that same reaction meh


I know, no one here...


/actually, I'm just here for therapy
 
2013-06-19 07:03:37 AM

MayoBoy: stevetherobot: What about the men being sent to Uranus?

They look FABULOUS!!!!


joke never gets old.
 
2013-06-19 07:10:23 AM
I used to get angry at Quantum Apostrophe too.  These days though, I just pity him.  To be able to devote so much time to being an angry cynic is just incredibly sad.  Think about how shiatty the world appears to him.  These outbursts for attention and confrontation are probably the only thing that keeps him from slitting his wrists.
 
2013-06-19 10:01:50 AM
I don't get why QA keeps coming to these threads, honestly. Don't you have something better to do than have the same argument on the internet day in & day out?? No one is going to change their mind here.
 
2013-06-19 10:44:56 AM

Boudyro: I guess we live in the reality where Carter gets to be an astronaut.

Bright side no snakes in our brains.


I'm happy I wasn't the first one to think that when I saw the bottom right.

/Good thing she isn't being discriminated against because her reproductive organs are on the inside and not the outside.
 
2013-06-19 11:18:24 AM

the_colors: I don't get why QA keeps coming to these threads, honestly. Don't you have something better to do than have the same argument on the internet day in & day out?? No one is going to change their mind here.


I kind of understand.  I can bash Jay Cutler 3 times a day and enjoy it every time if there are that many threads.

Is it just me, or does Christina Hammock look like Weird Al?
 
2013-06-19 11:21:02 AM
Haha WOW Quantum Apostrophe hates space. Like, space raped his uncle hate. Is he this much of a tool at other times, or does his space racism bring it out of an otherwise innocuous dweeb, hm?
 
2013-06-19 03:05:16 PM
bbfreak

>>> OnlyM3: Brilliant .. hire a PC bunch with zero plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere.

Yes, if only there was a shuttle successor in the works. Oh wait.

From your own farking link

"five of the possible successors"

Lets look at your list
CST-100 - A capsule. That's akin to buying a car-seat and w/o owning a car.

Dragon - Role: Placing humans and cargo into Low Earth orbit (Protip. Mars is not in LEO)

Dream Chaser - Role: Part of NASA's Commercial Crew Program to supply crew and cargo to the International Space Station (Again, only .5 AU short of the goal)

MPCV - A capsule. Another car-seat with no car.

Space vehicle Blue Origin - Again, you're not out of LEO yet.

Got another list you can impress us with?

Finally your straw man about a shuttle replacement is a lie from the get go as I didn't call for such a critter. LEO isn't anywhere near Mars ... in case you missed that.
 
2013-06-19 03:10:19 PM
WippitGuud

>>> CGI != reality.

Last time I checked, one of those is not CGI

True. That isn't CGI. It's a very small pick-up truck.

Now two quick questions for you.
1) How many astronauts is that carrying? (Hint: Less than 1)

2) In regards to the quote in the article from NASA Administrator Charles Bolden "... these new candidates will help lead the first human mission to an asteroid"

Please provide the heavy lifter program that will put them there. Your friends have tried, but so far failed to provide anything substantial.
 
2013-06-19 03:22:32 PM

OnlyM3: bbfreak

>>> OnlyM3: Brilliant .. hire a PC bunch with zero plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere.

Yes, if only there was a shuttle successor in the works. Oh wait.
From your own farking link

"five of the possible successors"

Lets look at your list
CST-100 - A capsule. That's akin to buying a car-seat and w/o owning a car.

Dragon - Role: Placing humans and cargo into Low Earth orbit (Protip. Mars is not in LEO)

Dream Chaser - Role: Part of NASA's Commercial Crew Program to supply crew and cargo to the International Space Station (Again, only .5 AU short of the goal)

MPCV - A capsule. Another car-seat with no car.

Space vehicle Blue Origin - Again, you're not out of LEO yet.

Got another list you can impress us with?

Finally your straw man about a shuttle replacement is a lie from the get go as I didn't call for such a critter. LEO isn't anywhere near Mars ... in case you missed that.

OnlyM3: Brilliant .. hire a PC bunch with zero plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere.


You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.
 
2013-06-19 03:31:11 PM
bbfreak:
You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.

There are less difficult ways to commit suicide than from exposure to cosmic radiation on a trip to Mars.
 
2013-06-19 03:38:22 PM

simplicimus: bbfreak:
You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.

There are less difficult ways to commit suicide than from exposure to cosmic radiation on a trip to Mars.


Eh. At one time crossing the oceans was a suicide trip, but we found a way to do so anyway. Same with flying, going to the moon, etc.
 
2013-06-19 03:51:58 PM

bbfreak: simplicimus: bbfreak:
You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.

There are less difficult ways to commit suicide than from exposure to cosmic radiation on a trip to Mars.

Eh. At one time crossing the oceans was a suicide trip, but we found a way to do so anyway. Same with flying, going to the moon, etc.


No doubt, but there's a lot of tech we'll need that doesn't exist yet, and probably won't exist for a long time.
 
2013-06-19 04:02:51 PM

simplicimus: bbfreak: simplicimus: bbfreak:
You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.

There are less difficult ways to commit suicide than from exposure to cosmic radiation on a trip to Mars.

Eh. At one time crossing the oceans was a suicide trip, but we found a way to do so anyway. Same with flying, going to the moon, etc.

No doubt, but there's a lot of tech we'll need that doesn't exist yet, and probably won't exist for a long time.


Well we haven't really tried yet, but in my opinion we humans are at our best when we push the limits of what is possible.
 
2013-06-19 10:25:24 PM

bbfreak: simplicimus: bbfreak:
You didn't mention anything about Mars, you specifically said that we don't have any plans of building a vehicle to put them anywhere. ISS/Low earth orbit is somewhere even if you disagree. Also, not sure what kind of spacecraft you're expecting. Both Orion & Dragon could send humans to Mars, just a matter of the will to do so. Indeed, Elon Musk has plans to do so with or without NASA. Whether he gets that far we'll see, but the idea that we're doing nothing is just silly.

There are less difficult ways to commit suicide than from exposure to cosmic radiation on a trip to Mars.

Eh. At one time crossing the oceans was a suicide trip, but we found a way to do so anyway. Same with flying, going to the moon, etc.


People need to stop trotting out this line. The current estimates are that you would get a lot more radiation exposure than what NASA's operating guidelines are, but barring certain events, like a solar eruption, that would put out massive amounts of cosmic radiation (which was a potential problem for the moon too), the astronauts wouldn't die or get radiation poisoning. They would have an elevated (but not super high) risk of various cancers, and you probably wouldn't want to have kids after the trip. But it isn't a suicide by radiation event.
 
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