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(Real Clear World)   Characters from The Game Of Thrones....labelled for today's political scientist. Yes, Daenerys is a NeoCon. A sexy, sexy NeoCon   (realclearworld.com) divider line 41
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2013-06-18 12:10:57 PM  
7 votes:
She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.
2013-06-18 12:25:05 PM  
6 votes:
Obligatory:

lipstickandpolitics.com
2013-06-18 12:20:11 PM  
6 votes:

The Downfall: So I'm guessing the whole thing is just going to be derpy derp derp in the rest of the "article."


Yeah, someone is jumping through hoops to make the "good" characters line up with their own politics.

Besides, Obama is more like the Starks - he trusts clearly awful people to make trustworthy deals with him and then asks surprised when they confirm their awfulness.
2013-06-18 12:11:40 PM  
5 votes:
"Real Clear" anything is farking garbage.
2013-06-18 12:30:53 PM  
3 votes:

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


She's a benovelent dictator.

While she cares about the welling being of the common man, at the end of the day still believes that it's her divine right to be the ruler of Westeros, and she relies on military force to legitimize her rule.
2013-06-18 12:29:49 PM  
3 votes:

Drubell: So who's the real llfe equivalent of Joffrey?


img.timeinc.net
2013-06-18 12:21:57 PM  
3 votes:
Real Clear

You know nothing of my works.

Sincerely
G.R.R. Martin
2013-06-18 12:19:47 PM  
3 votes:
Gist of article
"We hate Obama, and if you like Game of Thrones, you should too."
2013-06-18 12:45:00 PM  
2 votes:

suburbanguy: "Sexy, sexy neocon"? No, that does not exist.


Well, this is a fantasy series.
2013-06-18 12:16:49 PM  
2 votes:
Because the premise in TFA is complete bollocks, I propose we turn this into a Daenarys thread.

www.locomag.com


pic is borrowed
2013-06-18 12:14:42 PM  
2 votes:
Well I stopped reading after this:  However, Obama is often a bad realist, more Joffrey than Tywin. On the margins, the U.S. gained nothing by irritating Israel and cozying up to Russia, which had supported three UN sanctions resolutions under President Bush. It got less from Assad. The mullahs, now democracy-free, continue to enrich uranium. And it is the rare president who can have worse relations with India, Pakistan and Afghanistan simultaneously than his predecessor. Unfortunately for the U.S., Cersei, not Tywin, is at the helm.

So I'm guessing the whole thing is just going to be derpy derp derp in the rest of the "article."
2013-06-18 12:12:57 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah, the factions in Game of Thrones don't map well to the modern political spectrum.
2013-06-18 12:12:46 PM  
2 votes:

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


Her answer to every problem is "fark you, I got dragons"

Sounds like Neocons to me
2013-06-18 12:12:23 PM  
2 votes:
Stop. Game of Thrones is not a master's course on political warfare. It's a Politics 202 course's three day lecture on power systems.
2013-06-18 05:29:53 PM  
1 votes:
OMG warn me the next time the link is just a slideshow of some idiot jerking off!
2013-06-18 03:09:47 PM  
1 votes:

badhatharry: Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian


Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.
2013-06-18 02:14:03 PM  
1 votes:
GAH... Read the Joffrey=Obama part and felt the urge to kill rising, then read Tyrion=Boehner and started laughing. If we're going to play this game Boehner=Sansa you know because of the crying all the time.
2013-06-18 02:00:54 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: Klivian: Her answer to every problem is "fark you, I got dragons"

Sounds like Neocons to me

Except those really are WMDs.


I guess the ancient Athenians were neo-cons too.

Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: Obligatory:

[lipstickandpolitics.com image 850x572]

Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.

With the inclusion of Santorum and Gingrich, you can tell it was made at a certain point in the 2012 Republican Primary season.

What stood out to me the most was their association of Obama with Rob Stark.

If it came out now in the middle of the NSA controversy, maybe they'd equate him with Varys.


Nah, he's Jon Arryn. Boring, ultimately ineffectual because the people he's meant to counterbalance are obstinate morons who won't stop spending.
2013-06-18 01:58:38 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.


Or you could open a book, you pompous ass.
2013-06-18 01:25:52 PM  
1 votes:
Your blog sucks.
2013-06-18 01:24:00 PM  
1 votes:
Huh? It's like the author was trying to be funny but kept forgetting to tell a joke.

Real Clear ....

Ah... Conservative humor.
2013-06-18 12:46:57 PM  
1 votes:

dragonchild: There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.


WTF Indeed: No there aren't. There are lots of a Middle Ages royalty references and graphic nudity.


They're undertones, not effin' research footnotes.  You're still way too sober to be having this conversation.

that bosnian sniper: The Prince was Machiavelli's attempt to kiss the de'Medici's asses after having been imprisoned and tortured for supporting the Florentine Republic.


That contradicts my point how?  Calm down and have another beer.

The reason I'm having fun with this is because I'm not taking this anywhere nearly as seriously as you guys are.
2013-06-18 12:43:41 PM  
1 votes:

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


this.  We all want her, don't try to pretend she's a neocon just because you want her to yourself, subby (or tfa writer).
2013-06-18 12:39:31 PM  
1 votes:

dragonchild: There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.


Oh please don't drag Machiavelli into this crap. Machiavelli was a classical Republican --  The Prince was Machiavelli's attempt to kiss the de'Medici's asses after having been imprisoned and tortured for supporting the Florentine Republic.
2013-06-18 12:34:49 PM  
1 votes:
This is precisely the sort of rigorous, objective, intellectual application of knowledge that we've all come to expect from politicians, hacks and their supporters.

Keep farking that chicken, guys.

/ the characters I like are all *just like* the real people I like
// the characters I do not like are all *just like* the real people I do not like
/// funny how it just worked out that way, when selectively reported data was fudged through a flimsy subjective interpretation of the self-contradictory world view I cheer on full time.
2013-06-18 12:33:09 PM  
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Game of Thrones is not a master's course on political warfare.


It would make for a helluva fun conversation though, especially with some beer & weed.  There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.

The Downfall: Well I stopped reading after this: However, Obama is often a bad realist, more Joffrey than Tywin. On the margins, the U.S. gained nothing by irritating Israel and cozying up to Russia, which had supported three UN sanctions resolutions under President Bush. It got less from Assad. The mullahs, now democracy-free, continue to enrich uranium.


Like I said. . . this is not a conversation to undertake while sober.
2013-06-18 12:29:58 PM  
1 votes:

Skyrmion: Obligatory:

[lipstickandpolitics.com image 850x572]


Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.
2013-06-18 12:27:46 PM  
1 votes:
International Relations Theory in Game of Thrones

by: Hodor
2013-06-18 12:27:24 PM  
1 votes:

what_now: It's a fantasy series involving dragons and magic. Stop trying to make it relevant to politics and enjoy it.


I dunno, sounds pretty relevant to southern evangelicals.
2013-06-18 12:27:21 PM  
1 votes:
I think it would have been a better list if the writer just said every politician is Littlefinger
2013-06-18 12:25:12 PM  
1 votes:
John Boehner and Tyrion Lannister?

Yeah... No. Maybe the drinking, but that's it.
2013-06-18 12:24:30 PM  
1 votes:
Joe Biden is Hodor.
2013-06-18 12:22:56 PM  
1 votes:
I agree with the article that Hodor is analogous to Dubya.
2013-06-18 12:22:55 PM  
1 votes:
It's a fantasy series involving dragons and magic. Stop trying to make it relevant to politics and enjoy it.
2013-06-18 12:18:51 PM  
1 votes:
Dany = Rubio
Joffrey/Cersei = Obama
Robb Stark = Rand Paul
Tyrion = Boehner
Stannis = Hillary
Greyjoys = Iran
Jamie = McCain

WTF??
2013-06-18 12:17:39 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.


Or a library card.
2013-06-18 12:16:24 PM  
1 votes:
Leave it to Real Clear Politics World to make Game Of Thrones boring.
2013-06-18 12:14:49 PM  
1 votes:
Someone has too much time on their hands. This is about as sensical and trying to map Equestria's political landscape onto the real world.
2013-06-18 12:14:08 PM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Yeah, the factions in Game of Thrones don't map well to the modern political spectrum.


What do you mean? They all seem pro-rape to me, therefore their all Republicans.
2013-06-18 12:11:59 PM  
1 votes:
The Lannister section immediately turned into "Fartbama Foreign Policy failure WAHRARWETGHAREGRKEJWE"
2013-06-18 12:10:46 PM  
1 votes:
I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.
 
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