Englebert Slaptyback: Because the premise in TFA is complete bollocks, I propose we turn this into a Daenarys thread.[www.locomag.com image 850x474]pic is borrowed
Truther: Shows your limited understanding.Neocons aren't the evil boogeymen you've been taught to believe they are.They aren't necessarily angels in shining Armor either, but Liberalism isn't all wholesome and sweetness either.But go ahead and follow the crowd. Seems a neutral opinion based on facts became passe a looong time ago...
litmusdragon: AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.[i42.tinypic.com image 715x713]
cardex: I think that hodar is more the neocon he only says one thing it's never related to what's going on and has an iq equal to most gold fish
Skyrmion: Obligatory:[lipstickandpolitics.com image 850x572]
Skyrmion: badhatharry: reillan: badhatharry: Starks=ConservativeLannisters=LiberalWildlings=LibertarianStarks and wildlings, yes. Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else. The only liberals are the Tyrells.Yeah right, liberals are not rich capitalist overlords.The good capitalists in the series are the Braavosi bankers and maybe Petyr Baelish. The Lannisters are just aristocrats who happen to own land with tons of mineral wealth.
blatz514: Englebert Slaptyback: Because the premise in TFA is complete bollocks, I propose we turn this into a Daenarys thread.[www.locomag.com image 850x474]pic is borrowedAgreed!Except mine is NSFW
illannoyin: Englebert Slaptyback: Because the premise in TFA is complete bollocks, I propose we turn this into a Daenarys thread.[www.locomag.com image 850x474]pic is borrowedNSFW LinkThose of you making GOT political should be cockpunched. Politics has ruined everything else leave GOT alone.
Millennium: What is the game of thrones, if not politics?
PillsHere: Articles like TFA really illustrate how different liberal and conservative world views are. It's actually downright frightening to me how vastly different conservative and progressive perceptions are, but it makes sense in regards to how difficult it is to get through to each other. From a liberal point of view it is always comical to see that the conservatives see themselves as righteous and honorable when their actions seem to consistently conflict with this idea. That isn't to imply that all liberal/progressive politicians are righteous and honorable either, but they are a lot closer in most their actions than current conservative politicians.This was cute though. I say that in the most patronizing way possible because it was so far removed from reality that it's hard to even take remotely seriously.
badhatharry: We think we know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Then we learn that things aren't that simple.
dragonchild: badhatharry: We think we know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Then we learn that things aren't that simple.That people still find this some sort of mind-blowing revelation. . . sigh. Right, so what exactly about Joffrey makes him a complex character with a rich diversity of shades-of-gray morality? Or Ramsay? I really don't see much nuance at all here. Maybe those are unfair examples, though I would like the concession that GRRM sometimes makes unquestionably one-dimensional characters.I suppose we're really talking about characters like Melisandre, whose "evil" gets reinvented later as ruthless pragmatism. Or maybe even Tywin, who's given a backstory to explain why he's such an asshole -- that's a pretty common trick, actually. Here's where I have a different complaint: Stop confusing character re-invention with depth. I saw the same shiat with Evangelion and it wasn't character depth then, either. Characters don't become "deep" just because they're deconstructed or reinvented. Frankly, it's entirely too easy to get away with that when moral relativism is all the rage these days.That's not to say GRRM's characters lack depth in general, but many of his characters aren't complex so much as inconsistent or sold dishonestly. The former is a cheap way to add faux complexity; the latter can work as a plot device from time to time but deconstruction and reinvention aren't depth. Now, I'm sure people are going to interpret this as some sort of blanket accusation that GRRM's characters are all cardboard cutouts, but I'm not saying depth isn't there. It is in some cases, but the disappointing aspect of that is that GRRM's clearly capable of much better because in many cases he does much better. But the depth he adds is NOT in the whole "gray morality" schlock that today's pop culture can't stop slobbering over like a two-buck hooker on a city councilman's pecker. There are good people and bad people in real life, and it's adding genuine ...
badhatharry: I don't think they have been reinvented. We have just learned about who they really are.
Klivian: theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.Her answer to every problem is "fark you, I got dragons"Sounds like Neocons to me
theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.
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