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(Real Clear World)   Characters from The Game Of Thrones....labelled for today's political scientist. Yes, Daenerys is a NeoCon. A sexy, sexy NeoCon   (realclearworld.com ) divider line
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2013-06-18 12:35:06 PM  

DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: Obligatory:

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Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.


With the inclusion of Santorum and Gingrich, you can tell it was made at a certain point in the 2012 Republican Primary season.
 
2013-06-18 12:36:13 PM  

Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: Obligatory:

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Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.

With the inclusion of Santorum and Gingrich, you can tell it was made at a certain point in the 2012 Republican Primary season.


What stood out to me the most was their association of Obama with Rob Stark.
 
2013-06-18 12:37:35 PM  

dragonchild: There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones


No there aren't. There are lots of a Middle Ages royalty references and graphic nudity. Thinking Game of Thrones is a study in Ayn Rand is the same as thinking "The Dark Knight" was a study into the human psyche.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:05 PM  

tblax: The Downfall: Well I stopped reading after this:  However, Obama is often a bad realist, more Joffrey than Tywin. On the margins, the U.S. gained nothing by irritating Israel and cozying up to Russia, which had supported three UN sanctions resolutions under President Bush. It got less from Assad. The mullahs, now democracy-free, continue to enrich uranium. And it is the rare president who can have worse relations with India, Pakistan and Afghanistan simultaneously than his predecessor. Unfortunately for the U.S., Cersei, not Tywin, is at the helm.

So I'm guessing the whole thing is just going to be derpy derp derp in the rest of the "article."

The writer later goes on to compare Stannis to Hill-dog and Jaime to McCain



And his reasoning?  Stannis uses a religion he doesn't believe in.  Wow, way to call all Dems atheists.  What an ass.
 
2013-06-18 12:38:08 PM  

suburbanguy: "Sexy, sexy neocon"? No, that does not exist.


www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com

Hey ladies, who wants a mustache ride?
 
2013-06-18 12:39:16 PM  
So all a neocon has to do in order to gain an army is show up?  I swear, every time blondie sits still for 45 min SOMEONE signs up with her.
 
2013-06-18 12:39:31 PM  

dragonchild: There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.


Oh please don't drag Machiavelli into this crap. Machiavelli was a classical Republican --  The Prince was Machiavelli's attempt to kiss the de'Medici's asses after having been imprisoned and tortured for supporting the Florentine Republic.
 
2013-06-18 12:40:37 PM  

DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: Obligatory:

[lipstickandpolitics.com image 850x572]

Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.

With the inclusion of Santorum and Gingrich, you can tell it was made at a certain point in the 2012 Republican Primary season.

What stood out to me the most was their association of Obama with Rob Stark.


If it came out now in the middle of the NSA controversy, maybe they'd equate him with Varys.
 
2013-06-18 12:40:54 PM  
Usually, these lists just attempt to draw feeble parallels between the sports team that the author favors and one of the sympathetic houses, while painting divisional rivals as the Freys, Greyjoys and Lannisters of the world.  I guess that I shouldn't be surprised to see A Song of Ice and Fire's popularity enlisted in service of right wing derp, though.  What I want to know is whether there is actually an editor out there who, when pitched a Game of Thrones parallels article by one of her writers, is all like "Gee, that's an exciting and original idea."  Or do the editors just cynically keep approving them, knowing that we'll keep clicking (even if we know in advance that it's crap) because we're such sick, content-starved freaks?
 
2013-06-18 12:43:17 PM  

DarnoKonrad: "Real Clear" anything is farking garbage.


Yeah - for those who don't do slides, here's the tl;dr: Republicans GOOD.  Democrats BAD.  Republicans are only out for justice.  Democrats are wolves in sheep's clothing.  RAND PAUL
 
2013-06-18 12:43:41 PM  

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


this.  We all want her, don't try to pretend she's a neocon just because you want her to yourself, subby (or tfa writer).
 
2013-06-18 12:45:00 PM  

suburbanguy: "Sexy, sexy neocon"? No, that does not exist.


Well, this is a fantasy series.
 
2013-06-18 12:46:57 PM  

dragonchild: There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.


WTF Indeed: No there aren't. There are lots of a Middle Ages royalty references and graphic nudity.


They're undertones, not effin' research footnotes.  You're still way too sober to be having this conversation.

that bosnian sniper: The Prince was Machiavelli's attempt to kiss the de'Medici's asses after having been imprisoned and tortured for supporting the Florentine Republic.


That contradicts my point how?  Calm down and have another beer.

The reason I'm having fun with this is because I'm not taking this anywhere nearly as seriously as you guys are.
 
2013-06-18 12:49:00 PM  

dragonchild: WTF Indeed: Game of Thrones is not a master's course on political warfare.

It would make for a helluva fun conversation though, especially with some beer & weed.  There are a lot of Ayn Rand and Niccolo Machiavelli undertones.

The Downfall: Well I stopped reading after this: However, Obama is often a bad realist, more Joffrey than Tywin. On the margins, the U.S. gained nothing by irritating Israel and cozying up to Russia, which had supported three UN sanctions resolutions under President Bush. It got less from Assad. The mullahs, now democracy-free, continue to enrich uranium.

Like I said. . . this is not a conversation to undertake while sober.


Tywin Shrugged
 
2013-06-18 12:51:27 PM  

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


She takes a culture filled with deep seated tribal and socioreligious divides by force leading to an extensive quagmire, forces her elite forces into an unwinnable battle against insurgents who have no compunctions against killing innocents to make a point.  She falls for a charismatic leader of a group of mercenaries who fights the regime, but ultimately helps to place those same mercenaries into a position of power over the downtrodden, while making excuses for continuing a years long stalemate.

Daenerys starts as Lincoln, then goes full Bush dynasty in Meereen.
 
2013-06-18 12:53:41 PM  

DubtodaIll: What stood out to me the most was their association of Obama with Rob Stark.


A charismatic leader rose to power and lost bannermen because of lack of experience. That's the comparison. Not that he was murdered at a feast, would be apt for Bush though. 

mike_d85: That can be arranged.
 
2013-06-18 12:54:27 PM  
Yet another chapter of "Totalitarian Conservatism". I wish GRRM pumped out ASOIAF chapters as fast.
 
2013-06-18 12:55:36 PM  
Damn it. Too large.
 
2013-06-18 01:05:13 PM  

Directorscut: Drubell: So who's the real llfe equivalent of Joffrey?

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Niiiiiice.
 
2013-06-18 01:06:57 PM  

InitialCommentGuy: Daenerys starts as Lincoln, then goes full Bush dynasty in Meereen.


Duuuuuude. I think you're right. Pass the Funyons.
 
2013-06-18 01:08:30 PM  
I don't like it overused but this is the "Mr. Madison..." speech is perfect.
 
2013-06-18 01:09:43 PM  

Skyrmion: Obligatory:

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heh heh heh, the climate change one made lol
 
2013-06-18 01:24:00 PM  
Huh? It's like the author was trying to be funny but kept forgetting to tell a joke.

Real Clear ....

Ah... Conservative humor.
 
2013-06-18 01:25:52 PM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-06-18 01:27:54 PM  
I usually stick to comparing fictional characters to friends of mine, but even that is a huge waste of time and fully of folly.
 
2013-06-18 01:34:14 PM  
One day I'll get around to watching that show.
 
2013-06-18 01:36:00 PM  

that bosnian sniper: what_now: It's a fantasy series involving dragons and magic. Stop trying to make it relevant to politics and enjoy it.

Hey, the creationist museum has an exhibit on dragons now, it's fair game.

Also, it may be derp, but it's unintentionally hilarious derp.


I saw that on a billboard.  I almost drove off the road.
 
2013-06-18 01:45:37 PM  

Evil Mackerel: One day I'll get around to watching that show.


It's pretty good. also: lots of tits and violence.
 
2013-06-18 01:58:38 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.


Or you could open a book, you pompous ass.
 
2013-06-18 02:00:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: One day I'll get around to watching that show.

It's pretty good. also: lots of tits and violence.


Unfortunately, because of all the hype it will never live up to your expectations and you will be filled with 'meh' waiting for it to change your life.
 
2013-06-18 02:00:54 PM  

theorellior: Klivian: Her answer to every problem is "fark you, I got dragons"

Sounds like Neocons to me

Except those really are WMDs.


I guess the ancient Athenians were neo-cons too.

Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: DubtodaIll: Skyrmion: Obligatory:

[lipstickandpolitics.com image 850x572]

Clearly this was made before the end of Season 3 and/or never read the books.

With the inclusion of Santorum and Gingrich, you can tell it was made at a certain point in the 2012 Republican Primary season.

What stood out to me the most was their association of Obama with Rob Stark.

If it came out now in the middle of the NSA controversy, maybe they'd equate him with Varys.


Nah, he's Jon Arryn. Boring, ultimately ineffectual because the people he's meant to counterbalance are obstinate morons who won't stop spending.
 
2013-06-18 02:09:18 PM  

ROBB STARK

 
2013-06-18 02:14:03 PM  
GAH... Read the Joffrey=Obama part and felt the urge to kill rising, then read Tyrion=Boehner and started laughing. If we're going to play this game Boehner=Sansa you know because of the crying all the time.
 
2013-06-18 02:27:39 PM  

Molotovcat: GAH... Read the Joffrey=Obama part and felt the urge to kill rising, then read Tyrion=Boehner and started laughing. If we're going to play this game Boehner=Sansa you know because of the crying all the time.


Yeah - for those who don't do slides, here's the tl;dr: Republicans GOOD.  Democrats BAD.  Republicans are only out for justice.  Democrats are wolves in sheep's clothing.  RAND PAUL
 
2013-06-18 02:46:04 PM  
I came in here specifically for the poutrage over the Obama comparisons.

/was not disappointed
//you guys are precious
 
2013-06-18 02:48:06 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.


i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-18 03:03:38 PM  
Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian
 
2013-06-18 03:09:47 PM  

badhatharry: Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian


Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.
 
2013-06-18 03:12:33 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.


Or you could read the books.

I have a TV, but I don't have HBO.  So I'm mostly clues just the same.
I've only read the 1st in the series.  It was truly awesome, if not one of the most chaotic, violent, stories I've ever read.

And this comes from a huge fan of Stephen King.

Of all the characters, I like Tyrion best.  He's quite the badass for a little fella.
 
2013-06-18 03:27:53 PM  

durbnpoisn: AverageAmericanGuy: I suppose this is something I would have to own a television to understand.

Or you could read the books.

I have a TV, but I don't have HBO.  So I'm mostly clues just the same.
I've only read the 1st in the series.  It was truly awesome, if not one of the most chaotic, violent, stories I've ever read.

And this comes from a huge fan of Stephen King.

Of all the characters, I like Tyrion best.  He's quite the badass for a little fella.


You haven't seen anything yet.
 
2013-06-18 03:32:45 PM  

reillan: Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.


Hey now, Jaime and Cersei support gay marriage, therefore they're all libs.
 
2013-06-18 03:38:48 PM  

theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.


Shows your limited understanding.

Neocons aren't the evil boogeymen you've been taught to believe they are.

They aren't necessarily angels in shining Armor either, but Liberalism isn't all wholesome and sweetness either.

But go ahead and follow the crowd. Seems a neutral opinion based on facts became passe a looong time ago...
 
2013-06-18 03:39:57 PM  

reillan: badhatharry: Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian

Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.


Yeah right, liberals are not rich capitalist overlords.
 
2013-06-18 03:40:33 PM  

The Downfall: Dany = Rubio
Joffrey/Cersei = Obama
Robb Stark = Rand Paul
Tyrion = Boehner
Stannis = Hillary
Greyjoys = Iran
Jamie = McCain

WTF??


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2013-06-18 03:43:48 PM  

Drubell: So who's the real llfe equivalent of Joffrey?


All the Fark liberals.

Whiny bastards who think they're ways right?

/I'm just kidding, lighten up
 
2013-06-18 03:44:07 PM  

that bosnian sniper: reillan: Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.

Hey now, Jaime and Cersei support gay marriage, therefore they're all libs.


I realize the show hasn't gotten to the Martells but wouldn't they be the liberals?
 
2013-06-18 03:44:46 PM  

badhatharry: reillan: badhatharry: Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian

Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.

Yeah right, liberals are not rich capitalist overlords.


The good capitalists in the series are the Braavosi bankers and maybe Petyr Baelish. The Lannisters are just aristocrats who happen to own land with tons of mineral wealth.
 
2013-06-18 03:46:11 PM  
I see summer camp has gotten out for the day.
 
2013-06-18 03:46:30 PM  

Truther: theorellior: She is? She tries to protect the Meereen from the landed powerbase, and is always looking out for the downtrodden. "Neocon" is not something I'd remotely associate with Daenerys Targareyn.

Shows your limited understanding.

Neocons aren't the evil boogeymen you've been taught to believe they are.

They aren't necessarily angels in shining Armor either, but Liberalism isn't all wholesome and sweetness either.

But go ahead and follow the crowd. Seems a neutral opinion based on facts became passe a looong time ago...


She's about to be spreading freedom whether you want it or not!
 
2013-06-18 03:51:00 PM  

Skyrmion: badhatharry: reillan: badhatharry: Starks=Conservative
Lannisters=Liberal
Wildlings=Libertarian

Starks and wildlings, yes.  Lannisters are not liberal - they are the capitalist overlords of everyone else.  The only liberals are the Tyrells.

Yeah right, liberals are not rich capitalist overlords.

The good capitalists in the series are the Braavosi bankers and maybe Petyr Baelish. The Lannisters are just aristocrats who happen to own land with tons of mineral wealth.


I was thinking the Iron Bank has some solid practices for those who don't honor their debts.
 
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