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2013-06-18 09:24:22 AM
Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.
 
2013-06-18 09:26:32 AM
You know who else brought a gun to a superhero movie?
 
2013-06-18 09:38:02 AM

Aarontology: You know who else brought a gun to a superhero movie?


Too soon.
 
2013-06-18 09:38:43 AM
You get a glock,  you get a glock, everybody gets a glock!
 
2013-06-18 09:45:11 AM
No HERO tag for the father, right Smits?
 
2013-06-18 09:46:51 AM
Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.
 
2013-06-18 09:47:29 AM
If I was a betting man, I'd put money on it turning out to be a police officer's weapon.

/and if that turns out to be the case, I'd wager we'll never hear about this incident again.
 
2013-06-18 09:50:03 AM
Anyone have a link to another site?  Tampabay.com has been blacklisted by the net nannies.
 
2013-06-18 09:50:42 AM
Man, I never find the good stuff. I'll I ever find in bathrooms are used condoms and no toilet paper.
 
2013-06-18 09:51:27 AM

James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.


Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?

What kind of unorganized, impulsive cretin can't even control his bowels long enough to sit through a movie?

Seriously man!
 
2013-06-18 09:53:21 AM
There will be no follow up to the story because the gun was owned by some off-duty cop.
 
2013-06-18 09:54:47 AM

James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.


I wouldn't worry about it, the NSA will be listening to figure out who it belongs to.
 
2013-06-18 09:55:31 AM

Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?


Remember the Colorado theater shooting? If everyone in that theater had been armed they could have, calmly and without error, picked off the shooter from 15 different angles and not even had to pause the movie.
 
2013-06-18 09:55:47 AM

dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.


Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!
 
2013-06-18 09:56:51 AM

BunkoSquad: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?

Remember the Colorado theater shooting? If everyone in that theater had been armed they could have, calmly and without error, picked off the shooter from 15 different angles and not even had to pause the movie.


I'd rather be a real man and rush the shooter to protect my loved ones.
 
2013-06-18 09:57:57 AM

RoxtarRyan: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I wouldn't worry about it, the NSA will be listening to figure out who it belongs to.


Are you from Department of Non Sequitur?
 
2013-06-18 09:58:48 AM
I shouldn't judge though, I left my broadsword in a Denny's booth once.
 
2013-06-18 10:01:05 AM

James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.


Probably didn't flush, either.
 
2013-06-18 10:01:06 AM

Walker: Aarontology: You know who else brought a gun to a superhero movie?

Too soon.


Hasn't it already been more than a year?
 
2013-06-18 10:02:38 AM
Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.
 
2013-06-18 10:03:17 AM

Tom_Slick: There will be no follow up to the story because the gun was owned by some off-duty cop.


Police Official: "We are trying to determine the identity of the owner and whether the weapon was ever used in a crime."
Spunky Journalist: "This is the same model weapon carried by your undercover officers, is it possible this weapon is owned by a police officer?"
Police Official: "Is it possible you can go fark yourself?"
 
2013-06-18 10:04:49 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.


Out of plastic no less.
 
2013-06-18 10:05:03 AM

GanjSmokr: If I was a betting man, I'd put money on it turning out to be a police officer's weapon.

/and if that turns out to be the case, I'd wager we'll never hear about this incident again.


^   As soon as the article said "the gun is being processed by the police agency and by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to try to determine its owner and to see whether it has ever been used in a crime. " That's what I thought.  It's quite likely that the gun owner was immediately identified through the serial number and they're just saying this to avoid any questions about who the owner is.  It's also interesting that they don't mention the model, because Glocks are the most popular choice for law enforcement, and certain models are almost never carried by regular citizens, and almost always carried by police.
 
2013-06-18 10:05:04 AM
Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-06-18 10:05:28 AM
The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is a good kid with a gun.
 
2013-06-18 10:07:35 AM
Republican Jesus approves
 
2013-06-18 10:07:55 AM

monoski: The only way to stop a bad kid toilet with a gun is a good kid toilet with a gun.

 
2013-06-18 10:08:54 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Republican Jesus approves


Even if the owner is Mexican?
 
2013-06-18 10:09:28 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.


Great, you've come to entertain us with your complete lack of firearms knowledge again!  It's perfectly to carry a Glock with a round chambered if you use a proper holster.  The only people who ever shoot themselves in the way you're thinking, do so with their gun tucked into their waistband, or a pocket.
 
2013-06-18 10:11:38 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's perfectly to carry a Glock with a round chambered if you use a proper holster.


Cromulent?
 
2013-06-18 10:12:24 AM
So it wasn't actually loaded? Doesn't really matter though of course. If it isn't a cops gun that dude needs to get his carry permit revoked. Irresponsible dumbass
 
2013-06-18 10:13:23 AM

Tom_Slick: There will be no follow up to the story because the gun was owned by some off-duty cop.


+1

/with the price of 9mm, its a paper weight anyways
//not really
 
2013-06-18 10:13:41 AM
Who amongst us hasn't been interrupted in the middle of a rousing game of "shoot the turd" and left the gun behind?  Besides, it's Floriduh where the official state motto has changed to "STAND AND DEFEND, MOTHERFARKER!!!"
 
2013-06-18 10:14:59 AM

James!: BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's perfectly to carry a Glock with a round chambered if you use a proper holster.

Cromulent?


I accidentally my post.

"perfectly safe".
 
2013-06-18 10:15:00 AM
Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.
"This isn't like forgetting your keys or cellphone," he said Monday. "This is a loaded firearm."



Hmm then it really isn't a loaded firearm. Sounds like someone needs to go back and learn some basics.
 
2013-06-18 10:16:37 AM
Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.

He also went on to add "They could even pull the trigger a second time to fire an additional shot. If they really wanted to, they could do this 8 more times. What makes this really bad, is that after that, they could drive to Walmart, purchase more ammo, press the magazine release to free the magazine from the weapon, load more bullets into the magazine using a down-and-foward motion, insert the magazine into the magazine well, rack the slide to chamber another round, and pull the trigger again to fire another round as many as 10 more times. In fact, this cycle could be repeated MANY times to fire many more bullets"

Thank you Marine Captian Obvious for that indepth lesson on how guns work. Glad to see those many years of gun experience coming in handy.
 
2013-06-18 10:16:38 AM
I read this far "Zane Noland opened a bathroom stall door [...]" and rolled my eyes.  Sheesh!  People don't seem to have thought out their concealed carry plans.  "Oh.  How am I going to do this?  I'll just adjust...no, it'll hit the floor with my pants.  Maybe if I...no, I don't want someone to pass by the stall and see me holding my piece while on the pot.  Um.  I'll just put it on top of the TP for now.  I'll surely remember on my way out!"  :D
 
2013-06-18 10:16:47 AM

Turbo Cojones: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?

d


Oh, I dunno.

Maybe some NFL "star" who thinks it would be cool to "carry" a gun in his sweatpants pocket to look "cool."

Maybe some drug dealer...

Maybe some gang banger who was taking his girl to the movies...

/but I'll put money money on someone from law enforcement.
 
2013-06-18 10:17:16 AM

benzene: So it wasn't actually loaded? Doesn't really matter though of course. If it isn't a cops gun that dude needs to get his carry permit revoked. Irresponsible dumbass


So, if it was a cop that was the irresponsible dumbass, that is OK right?

/It was Glock, I'd wager 10-1 that it was an off duty cops weapon.
 
2013-06-18 10:17:19 AM

James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.


I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.
 
2013-06-18 10:22:55 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.
"This isn't like forgetting your keys or cellphone," he said Monday. "This is a loaded firearm."


Hmm then it really isn't a loaded firearm. Sounds like someone needs to go back and learn some basics.


Ya. No.
If there's ammo in it, it is loaded.
 
2013-06-18 10:23:16 AM

R.A.Danny: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.


"All one had to do was open the phone and review the search history to find a plethora of clown pornography."
 
2013-06-18 10:23:31 AM

redmid17: dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.

Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!


No they don't.  I make substantially more than $500 a month.
 
2013-06-18 10:25:07 AM

Latinwolf: Walker: Aarontology: You know who else brought a gun to a superhero movie?

Too soon.

Hasn't it already been more than a year?


No.
 
2013-06-18 10:25:27 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.


Those of us who have learned to keep the booger hook off the bang switch don't need safeties. In fact, only an idiot would rely on a manual safety to work. Treat every gun as if though it is loaded, and is not safetied, and you should be ok.

I carried a Glock 19 for many years. Never had a single mishap despite a lack of a 'safety'. 2000 rounds through it, and never a single FTF. Recently I switched to a Steyr M9. (More comfortable, like the sights better) which also has no safety. When I want to carry a smaller weapon, I carry a Sig P232, which has (guess what) no safety. The only time I could see a safety being useful is if you are carrying a SA only weapon like a 1911 which a round chambered and the hammer locked back.

Or loaded hunting rifles. I have a 1917 Enfield that has something like a 1/2 lb trigger pull. But I assume for the purposes of the above conversation we were only talking about handguns.
 
2013-06-18 10:28:00 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Ya. No.
If there's ammo in it, it is loaded.


Not really. You could pull that trigger all day long and nothing would happen.
 
2013-06-18 10:28:20 AM

James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.

"All one had to do was open the phone and review the search history to find a plethora of clown pornography."


Dude, coffee everywhere.
 
2013-06-18 10:28:29 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Tat'dGreaser: Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.
"This isn't like forgetting your keys or cellphone," he said Monday. "This is a loaded firearm."


Hmm then it really isn't a loaded firearm. Sounds like someone needs to go back and learn some basics.

Ya. No.
If there's ammo in it, it is loaded.


Yep, though whether a child of 9 has the strength to rack the slide in order to actually chamber a round is debatable.

On a related note:  Who the fark carries in Condition 3?  That's asking for trouble:  When you need to shoot, often it's a split second thing, and racking the slide takes time if you don't practice it as part of your draw, which I'm sure most people don't.  The Glock is specifically designed to be carried with a round in the chamber.
 
2013-06-18 10:31:25 AM
the Chinese military showing close order drill with glocks.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-18 10:35:35 AM

MythDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.

Those of us who have learned to keep the booger hook off the bang switch don't need safeties. In fact, only an idiot would rely on a manual safety to work. Treat every gun as if though it is loaded, and is not safetied, and you should be ok.

I carried a Glock 19 for many years. Never had a single mishap despite a lack of a 'safety'. 2000 rounds through it, and never a single FTF. Recently I switched to a Steyr M9. (More comfortable, like the sights better) which also has no safety. When I want to carry a smaller weapon, I carry a Sig P232, which has (guess what) no safety. The only time I could see a safety being useful is if you are carrying a SA only weapon like a 1911 which a round chambered and the hammer locked back.

Or loaded hunting rifles. I have a 1917 Enfield that has something like a 1/2 lb trigger pull. But I assume for the purposes of the above conversation we were only talking about handguns.


Ya. About that.
Enfield has a manual safety.

/Guess what an M-16, M-1911, M-92, M1 Garand, M-14, M-1 Carbine, etc., etc., have in common.
 
2013-06-18 10:36:36 AM
"Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it. "

Well, duh.  It does not take being a member of the Marine Core with years of gun experience and a concealed carry permit to know this.  This Pistol Firing 101.  That is like saying, "Oh my god!  The kid was in the front driver's seat of the car.  All the car needed was the key turned and put in drive.  Then the gas pedal could be depressed to drive it."  Way to be overly dramatic and make it sound like the situation was somehow more dangerous than it was.  Yeah, whoever owns that gun is a dumbass for leaving his gun behind, but at least he was not walking around with a round chambered.
 
2013-06-18 10:37:48 AM

James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.

"All one had to do was open the phone and review the search history to find a plethora of clown pornography."


Don't judge me!
 
2013-06-18 10:39:35 AM

BunkoSquad: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?

Remember the Colorado theater shooting? If everyone in that theater had been armed they could have, calmly and without error, picked off the shooter from 15 different angles and not even had to pause the movie.


Yeah!  Because no person with a gun has every used it for defensive purposes without hitting any innocent bystanders.  Not only that, but they should have gun lockers at all the theaters because there is absolutely no need to carry a gun for self defense when outside of the theater.
 
2013-06-18 10:40:10 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: MythDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.

Those of us who have learned to keep the booger hook off the bang switch don't need safeties. In fact, only an idiot would rely on a manual safety to work. Treat every gun as if though it is loaded, and is not safetied, and you should be ok.

I carried a Glock 19 for many years. Never had a single mishap despite a lack of a 'safety'. 2000 rounds through it, and never a single FTF. Recently I switched to a Steyr M9. (More comfortable, like the sights better) which also has no safety. When I want to carry a smaller weapon, I carry a Sig P232, which has (guess what) no safety. The only time I could see a safety being useful is if you are carrying a SA only weapon like a 1911 which a round chambered and the hammer locked back.

Or loaded hunting rifles. I have a 1917 Enfield that has something like a 1/2 lb trigger pull. But I assume for the purposes of the above conversation we were only talking about handguns.

Ya. About that.
Enfield has a manual safety.

/Guess what an M-16, M-1911, M-92, M1 Garand, M-14, M-1 Carbine, etc., etc., have in common.


M's?
 
2013-06-18 10:41:05 AM
 
2013-06-18 10:43:56 AM

R.A.Danny: James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.

"All one had to do was open the phone and review the search history to find a plethora of clown pornography."

Don't judge me!


I support your right to view clown erections.
 
2013-06-18 10:44:30 AM

MythDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.

Those of us who have learned to keep the booger hook off the bang switch don't need safeties. In fact, only an idiot would rely on a manual safety to work. Treat every gun as if though it is loaded, and is not safetied, and you should be ok.

I carried a Glock 19 for many years. Never had a single mishap despite a lack of a 'safety'. 2000 rounds through it, and never a single FTF. Recently I switched to a Steyr M9. (More comfortable, like the sights better) which also has no safety. When I want to carry a smaller weapon, I carry a Sig P232, which has (guess what) no safety. The only time I could see a safety being useful is if you are carrying a SA only weapon like a 1911 which a round chambered and the hammer locked back.

Or loaded hunting rifles. I have a 1917 Enfield that has something like a 1/2 lb trigger pull. But I assume for the purposes of the above conversation we were only talking about handguns.


Yeah, because it is absolutely 100% impossible for a trigger to ever be depressed accidentally by something other than a person's finger.  It is really cool that triggers have been designed to only respond to pressure from a human finger.
 
2013-06-18 10:45:54 AM
Don't federal agents do this about three or four times a year in airports?
 
2013-06-18 10:47:49 AM

justanotherfarkinfarker: Don't federal agents do this about three or four times a year in airports?


That we hear about.
 
2013-06-18 10:48:13 AM
I've carried the Glock 26 for 10+ years with no issues, and I always laugh when misinformed people comment on a "lack of safety". It has 3 safeties, more than most (almost all) guns, just not the button /lever safety you're thinking of. Many other handguns don't have safeties also.

/have no kids
// never carried to a theater, mall, ect or any other place that has kids or alcohol
 
2013-06-18 10:52:50 AM

James!: R.A.Danny: James!: R.A.Danny: James!: Take your gun off to poop and leave it in the stall.  Responsible gun ownership.

I did that with my phone once. It didn't go off.

"All one had to do was open the phone and review the search history to find a plethora of clown pornography."

Don't judge me!

I support your right to view clown erections.


Boner the clown?
 
2013-06-18 10:57:41 AM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Tat'dGreaser: Noland, 48, a Marine veteran with years of gun experience and a concealed weapons permit, said the weapon just needed the slide pulled back to chamber a round. Then the trigger could be pulled to shoot it.
"This isn't like forgetting your keys or cellphone," he said Monday. "This is a loaded firearm."


Hmm then it really isn't a loaded firearm. Sounds like someone needs to go back and learn some basics.

Ya. No.
If there's ammo in it, it is loaded.

Yep, though whether a child of 9 has the strength to rack the slide in order to actually chamber a round is debatable.

On a related note:  Who the fark carries in Condition 3?  That's asking for trouble:  When you need to shoot, often it's a split second thing, and racking the slide takes time if you don't practice it as part of your draw, which I'm sure most people don't.  The Glock is specifically designed to be carried with a round in the chamber.


Chamber a round in a Glock 26? Pretty sure most five-year-olds could.

Hypothetically speaking, of course, if I were to carry, it would be in Condition 3. That's the way I was taught to do it - draw and chamber (M1911, by the way). That's also how the most of the world does it - and for the very good reason 'dGreaser pointed out above (although his "definition" of loaded will land him in state prison in most jurisdictions).
 
2013-06-18 10:59:41 AM
The only way to stop a bad bathroom stall with a Glock is a good bathroom stall with a Glock.
 
2013-06-18 11:06:03 AM

Tom_Slick: benzene: So it wasn't actually loaded? Doesn't really matter though of course. If it isn't a cops gun that dude needs to get his carry permit revoked. Irresponsible dumbass

So, if it was a cop that was the irresponsible dumbass, that is OK right?

/It was Glock, I'd wager 10-1 that it was an off duty cops weapon.


Uhh, cops don't have carry permits to revoke. They're special and have much better rights than you or I. Specifically, once they find that this was a cop gun, they can magically make this story go away.
 
2013-06-18 11:07:07 AM
i1231.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-18 11:08:16 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hypothetically speaking, of course, if I were to carry, it would be in Condition 3. That's the way I was taught to do it - draw and chamber (M1911, by the way). That's also how the most of the world does it - and for the very good reason 'dGreaser pointed out above (although his "definition" of loaded will land him in state prison in most jurisdictions).


Oh come on, what crazy person taught you that? No one does that. If you're carrying, you have a round chambered that's just common sense.
 
2013-06-18 11:08:19 AM
And a cap for every ass!
 
2013-06-18 11:19:26 AM

Mock26: Yeah, because it is absolutely 100% impossible for a trigger to ever be depressed accidentally by something other than a person's finger.  It is really cool that triggers have been designed to only respond to pressure from a human finger.


This is why I will not use a trigger lock.

I may use a cable lock through the action, or some other method like an actual safe, but I refuse to use a trigger lock.  The very idea itself is inherently unsafe.
 
2013-06-18 11:25:14 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: MythDragon: demaL-demaL-yeH: Glock 26?

That's unlicensed illegal toxic waste disposal.

/Only farking numbnuts build - and only no-nuts carry - a weapon without a safety.

Those of us who have learned to keep the booger hook off the bang switch don't need safeties. In fact, only an idiot would rely on a manual safety to work. Treat every gun as if though it is loaded, and is not safetied, and you should be ok.

I carried a Glock 19 for many years. Never had a single mishap despite a lack of a 'safety'. 2000 rounds through it, and never a single FTF. Recently I switched to a Steyr M9. (More comfortable, like the sights better) which also has no safety. When I want to carry a smaller weapon, I carry a Sig P232, which has (guess what) no safety. The only time I could see a safety being useful is if you are carrying a SA only weapon like a 1911 which a round chambered and the hammer locked back.

Or loaded hunting rifles. I have a 1917 Enfield that has something like a 1/2 lb trigger pull. But I assume for the purposes of the above conversation we were only talking about handguns.

Ya. About that.
Enfield has a manual safety.

/Guess what an M-16, M-1911, M-92, M1 Garand, M-14, M-1 Carbine, etc., etc., have in common.


Glock leg is cause by idiots having their fingers in the trigger well when reholstering. There is no magic phenomenon that cause only Glock to discharge at will. Having ANYTHING stuck in the trigger well as you reholster (finger, holster strap, etc) can cause ANY firearm to discharge.

And in your rush to prove me wrong about the manual safety on the Enfield, you might have missed where I said I could see a use for safeties on rifles. I didn't say it didn't have one, I said in that application, it's usefull. About 15 years ago, I learned just how usefull the safety on a rifle is. On a field exercise (using blanks) and we had to evacuate a (mock) casualty. I slung his M-16 over my shoulder onto mine, and the brass deflector of my rifle just so happened to land in the trigger well of his, causing a discharge. It was a very informative and enlightning learning experience.

But since people carry sidearms in a holster and not flopping about on their backs, I see no need for a manual safety on a DA handgun. SA or SA/DA guns are an exception to this.
 
2013-06-18 11:25:51 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Chamber a round in a Glock 26? Pretty sure most five-year-olds could.


Been a while since I've fired a Glock (going on 2 decades now), but I would doubt that any kid 5 years old would have the strength to do that with most handguns.  It's not just raw arm power, you also have to have grip strength in the hand, unless you have the presence of mind to shove the slide back using an immovable object.
 
2013-06-18 11:26:35 AM
I'm holding out for the AK-47 promotion.
 
2013-06-18 11:28:55 AM

dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.

Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!

No they don't.  I make substantially more than $500 a month.



Ahem. Ditty, I am disappointed in you. All that time in SIGINT and you never intercepted this?
 
2013-06-18 11:30:01 AM

Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: Hypothetically speaking, of course, if I were to carry, it would be in Condition 3. That's the way I was taught to do it - draw and chamber (M1911, by the way). That's also how the most of the world does it - and for the very good reason 'dGreaser pointed out above (although his "definition" of loaded will land him in state prison in most jurisdictions).

Oh come on, what crazy person taught you that? No one does that. If you're carrying, you have a round chambered that's just common sense.


Who taught me that?
My father, who carried that 1911 through WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
During WWII, he was in a joint command and they used the British method of carry - chamber when you draw.

/Cooper was just another Marine recruit at the time.
 
2013-06-18 11:31:41 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Who taught me that?
My father, who carried that 1911 through WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
During WWII, he was in a joint command and they used the British method of carry - chamber when you draw.

/Cooper was just another Marine recruit at the time.


Sorry that makes zero sense. I've been in the Army since I was 18 and have been around guns since I was 5 and I have never ever heard anyone in my entire life suggest carrying a pistol without it being chambered. It makes no sense, if you do that then just leave it at home.
 
2013-06-18 11:40:18 AM

MythDragon: Glock leg is cause by idiots having their fingers in the trigger well when reholstering. There is no magic phenomenon that cause only Glock to discharge at will. Having ANYTHING stuck in the trigger well as you reholster (finger, holster strap, etc) can cause ANY firearm to discharge.

And in your rush to prove me wrong about the manual safety on the Enfield, you might have missed where I said I could see a use for safeties on rifles. I didn't say it didn't have one, I said in that application, it's usefull. About 15 years ago, I learned just how usefull the safety on a rifle is. On a field exercise (using blanks) and we had to evacuate a (mock) casualty. I slung his M-16 over my shoulder onto mine, and the brass deflector of my rifle just so happened to land in the trigger well of his, causing a discharge. It was a very informative and enlightning learning experience.

But since people carry sidearms in a holster and not flopping about on their backs, I see no need for a manual safety on a DA handgun. SA or SA/DA guns are an exception to this.


How many hits on Glock leg? There are already too many armed idiots walking around - like that cop in Georgia who "inspected" an AK without clearing it first, tossed it into the back seat of a car and *BANG*.

And you just admitted that, even with your extensive experience in Condition 1 carry, you negligently discharged an M-16. If it weren't loaded with blanks, who would have caught that bullet?

Bottom line: Cooper carry inevitably results in people with unintentional bullet holes. Condition 3 does not.
 
2013-06-18 11:47:58 AM

Molavian: BunkoSquad: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?

Remember the Colorado theater shooting? If everyone in that theater had been armed they could have, calmly and without error, picked off the shooter from 15 different angles and not even had to pause the movie.

I'd rather be a real man and rush the shooter to protect my loved ones.


If you're that stupid then I'm sure your family would appreciate your an heroism.
 
2013-06-18 11:58:33 AM

MythDragon: dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.

Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!

No they don't.  I make substantially more than $500 a month.


Ahem. Ditty, I am disappointed in you. All that time in SIGINT and you never intercepted this?


Last time I checked, those are United States Persons.  When I was in, it was very bad ju-ju to intercept USPs.  I have heard rumors that has changed, however.
 
2013-06-18 11:58:56 AM

Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: Who taught me that?
My father, who carried that 1911 through WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
During WWII, he was in a joint command and they used the British method of carry - chamber when you draw.

/Cooper was just another Marine recruit at the time.

Sorry that makes zero sense. I've been in the Army since I was 18 and have been around guns since I was 5 and I have never ever heard anyone in my entire life suggest carrying a pistol without it being chambered. It makes no sense, if you do that then just leave it at home.


You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.
 
2013-06-18 12:01:55 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.


I mean this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it at any point in history. That's what confuses me.

Well wait, I agree but to a point. What if you get jumped? I mean you don't always have the advantage of seeing past a certain distance around you at all times.
 
2013-06-18 12:05:32 PM
If no one claims it after 90 days does the kid get to keep it?
 
2013-06-18 12:09:58 PM
Shortly after it started, about 3 p.m., Zane said he needed to go to the bathroom.

This is why you don't bring kids to the movies.
 
2013-06-18 12:12:34 PM

Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.

I mean this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it at any point in history. That's what confuses me.

Well wait, I agree but to a point. What if you get jumped? I mean you don't always have the advantage of seeing past a certain distance around you at all times.


Here's some history for you. (And yes, that Fairbairn and Sykes.)
 
2013-06-18 12:18:06 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Here's some history for you. (And yes, that Fairbairn and Sykes.)


Well I'll be a monkey's uncle
 
2013-06-18 12:21:17 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.

I mean this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it at any point in history. That's what confuses me.

Well wait, I agree but to a point. What if you get jumped? I mean you don't always have the advantage of seeing past a certain distance around you at all times.

Here's some history for you. (And yes, that Fairbairn and Sykes.)


This is why you should carry a revolver instead of a pistol for personal protection.  Pulling the hammer back is quicker and easier than having to pull the slide back.
 
2013-06-18 12:33:57 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: And you just admitted that, even with your extensive experience in Condition 1 carry, you negligently discharged an M-16. If it weren't loaded with blanks, who would have caught that bullet?


There was no extensive experience at that time. I didn't own a firearm at that point, I had never really used one before the military and the safety training we had gotten was 'Don't do Goddamn thing to that rifle until we tell you". That is part of where my extensive experience comes from. As they say in most things dealing with dangerous items (Chemisty, aircraft, electrical work) "You have two bags. A full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. You goal is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck empties" I've learned much since then. Thankfully, the hard lessons have come from other people whose luck bags ran out.

As for 'who would have caught that bullet" it would have been the dirt as both rifles got slung barrel down (and slightly to the right, nice and clear of my feet due to the way the sling was attached). That's not an excuse, that's just for your own info.
 
2013-06-18 12:37:28 PM

Mock26: demaL-demaL-yeH: Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.

I mean this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it at any point in history. That's what confuses me.

Well wait, I agree but to a point. What if you get jumped? I mean you don't always have the advantage of seeing past a certain distance around you at all times.

Here's some history for you. (And yes, that Fairbairn and Sykes.)

This is why you should carry a revolver instead of a pistol for personal protection.  Pulling the hammer back is quicker and easier than having to pull the slide back.


Or a modern double-action with a transfer bar safety, like the Ruger LCR or Smith&Wesson J-frame.
 
2013-06-18 12:44:10 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mock26: demaL-demaL-yeH: Tat'dGreaser: demaL-demaL-yeH: You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
However, comma, Condition 3 carry was standard for a very long time. That standard may have changed.
Some thoughts for your consideration:
If you've let the bad guy get close enough that you can't chamber a round either your situational awareness sucks or you've brought a gun to a knife- or fist-fight.
Most people who carry firearms are farking idiots.

I mean this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it at any point in history. That's what confuses me.

Well wait, I agree but to a point. What if you get jumped? I mean you don't always have the advantage of seeing past a certain distance around you at all times.

Here's some history for you. (And yes, that Fairbairn and Sykes.)

This is why you should carry a revolver instead of a pistol for personal protection.  Pulling the hammer back is quicker and easier than having to pull the slide back.

Or a modern double-action with a transfer bar safety, like the Ruger LCR or Smith&Wesson J-frame.


But it is so cool to stand there, pointing your revolver at someone and when they hesitate you cock the hammer.  Not only is it cool, but it scares the criminal.  Well, at least it does in the movies.  :-D
 
2013-06-18 12:56:46 PM

Mock26: But it is so cool to stand there, pointing your revolver at someone and when they hesitate you cock the hammer.  Not only is it cool, but it scares the criminal.  Well, at least it does in the movies.  :-D


Never, ever, draw a firearm unless you are going to fire it.
Never aim it at anything you do not need to destroy right now.

/See hat I mean, 'dGreaser, MythDragon, Hawg, fullyautomatic?
 
2013-06-18 01:04:22 PM

Mock26: But it is so cool to stand there, pointing your revolver at someone and when they hesitate you cock the hammer. Not only is it cool, but it scares the criminal. Well, at least it does in the movies. :-D


I vaguely remember some movie in which a guy, getting ready to go into a situation, rack the slide of his gun. They get the guy they are looking for, he points the gun at the bad guy and questions him. The bad guy doesn't answer so he racks the slide again. Still no answer so then he cocks the hammer back.

There was no shooting at this point, so why is he decocking the gun? Is it just so he could pull the hammer back?

I wish the next time someone did this, he would get called on it.

Agent Bob: You will tell me what you know, or so help me... *click*
Agent Frank: Hey, uh, Bob. Didn't you just fire that that thing like 20 seconds ago?
Agent Bob: I did.
Agent Frank: So...wouldn't your hammer already be back?
Agent Bob: Uh...
Agent Frank: Did you actualy de-cock your weapon just so you could make it click by pulling the hammer back?
Agent Bob: Look, do you want answers or not?

Alternatively:
Bad Guy: I'm not telling you a damn thing!
Agent Bob: You may have noticed I'm using a Springfield XD, which has no hammer. Since this is the point where I would normaly cock it to make a scary noise, I'll just have to say it. Click.
Bad Guy: Look, you are obviously unhinged. I'll tell you what ever you want if you stop looking at me with crazy eyes.
 
2013-06-18 01:10:57 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mock26: But it is so cool to stand there, pointing your revolver at someone and when they hesitate you cock the hammer.  Not only is it cool, but it scares the criminal.  Well, at least it does in the movies.  :-D

Never, ever, draw a firearm unless you are going to fire it.
Never aim it at anything you do not need to destroy right now.

/See hat I mean, 'dGreaser, MythDragon, Hawg, fullyautomatic?


Sigh.  It was a joke.  If the "it works in the movies" comment was not a big enough clue then surely the big grin smiley emoticon at the end should have been a dead giveaway.
 
2013-06-18 01:16:00 PM
Responsible gun owner.  The dad, not the person who left it.
 
2013-06-18 01:49:42 PM
Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater?
What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.
 
2013-06-18 02:00:29 PM

OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.


Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.
 
2013-06-18 02:49:51 PM

GanjSmokr: OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.

Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.


Not much chance of car insurance, seat belts or fire extinguishers killing the child who finds them.

/keep up the good work
 
2013-06-18 02:55:42 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GanjSmokr: OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.

Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.

Not much chance of car insurance, seat belts or fire extinguishers killing the child who finds them.

/keep up the good work


Did you not understand the point?  Your comment has literally nothing to do with it.
 
2013-06-18 02:58:28 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GanjSmokr: OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.

Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.

Not much chance of car insurance, seat belts or fire extinguishers killing the child who finds them.

/keep up the good work


A child could easily strangle themselves on a seat belt.  If they find a fire extinguisher hanging on a wall, they could be injured (possibly fatally) if it were to fall on them.  Car insurance paperwork has edges.  If they found that, they could get a nasty paper cut and possibly bleed out.

You obviously don't think about the children.  Why do you hate children so much?
 
2013-06-18 02:59:16 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GanjSmokr: OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.

Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.

Not much chance of car insurance, seat belts or fire extinguishers killing the child who finds them.

/keep up the good work

Did you not understand the point?  Your comment has literally nothing to do with it.


Most comments from that person have literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
2013-06-18 03:34:50 PM

GanjSmokr: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: GanjSmokr: OnlyM3: Turbo Cojones: Came here to say this...What kind of simpering pussy feels the need to carry a gun in a theater? What kind of simpering pussy feels the need for car insurance and seat-belts just driving around town?

Obviously anyone who uses either is DUI or planning on running down school children.

Don't forget fire extinguishers in the home - what kind of pussy feels the need for those?  Isn't the local fire department good enough for you?

Anyone with their own fire extinguishers in their home is probably a pyromaniac.

Not much chance of car insurance, seat belts or fire extinguishers killing the child who finds them.

/keep up the good work

Did you not understand the point?  Your comment has literally nothing to do with it.

Most comments from that person have literally nothing to do with the topic at hand.


Thought you were comparing a gun in a theater to other things that might be considered reasonable precautions instead of just farting out, "GUN GOOD!" again. My bad.

/keep up the good work
 
2013-06-18 03:36:09 PM

dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.

Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!

No they don't.  I make substantially more than $500 a month.


Come on Ditty. These are porcelain and come from Germany!

/I know you've seen Die Hard.
 
2013-06-18 03:57:04 PM

mike_d85: cop


Yup.
 
2013-06-18 04:40:25 PM

dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.


Your 1911 gets 8 round, I get 14 with my G23.
I'll take more rounds over less any day. :p

I don't think I could have given up a free Glock to the police, though honestly my hands are to large for the subcompacts.
 
2013-06-18 05:29:50 PM

dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: Meh.  Call me when they offer a real gun, like a 1911.

Come on man. It's costs more than you make in a month!

No they don't.  I make substantially more than $500 a month.


I paid $450 for my Auto-Ordnance 1911 about 5 years ago, and have no plans to get rid of it. I can regularly punch a 2-3 inch group at 30 yards with it, shooting offhand with a weaver hold.
And yes, it is one of the earlier ones made before the modern crappy production run that gave Auto-ordnance a bad name. I won't say I never miss... But it is rare.
 
2013-06-19 06:27:29 AM
 
2013-06-19 09:33:04 AM

SDRR: The gun belonged to a cop. Go figure. I wonder if his name was Barney?


FTA: "He was downright shocked to find out Tuesday that the person who left it there was a Hillsborough County sheriff's detective."

I'd be appalled but not shocked.
 
2013-06-19 10:47:22 AM

SDRR: The gun belonged to a cop. Go figure. I wonder if his name was Barney?


But.. but.. I've been assured by many anti-gun farkers that police can be trusted to handle firearms responsibly because of their super elite training.
 
2013-06-19 12:40:07 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: SDRR: The gun belonged to a cop. Go figure. I wonder if his name was Barney?

But.. but.. I've been assured by many anti-gun farkers that police can be trusted to handle firearms responsibly because of their inability to get anything better than Cs in high school


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