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(The New York Times)   Bill Nye, the "please stop being science denying idiot" guy   (nytimes.com) divider line 494
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2013-06-18 07:35:16 AM  
Nice to see Phil quoted in the article.
 
2013-06-18 08:16:53 AM  
The planet needs another ten thousand Bill Nyes. Maybe more.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-18 08:17:16 AM  
Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.
 
2013-06-18 08:19:41 AM  
I wonder what would happen if Bill turned out to be this reality's incarnation of the Doctor...

*ponder!*
 
2013-06-18 08:22:22 AM  
BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL! ...

(Somebody had to...)
 
2013-06-18 08:23:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-18 08:23:29 AM  

vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.


I appreciate the effort, as hopeless as the cause is.
 
2013-06-18 08:26:32 AM  

vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.



It's really about the viewers and listeners. You can make a lot of people believe just about anything if it's repeated loudly and frequently enough with no voice to gainsay it. His fight isn't aimed at the hardcore fundamentalists who take the bible literally and use it to armor themselves against any evidence or at the the distressingly small percentage of Americans who are highly scientifically literate. He's aiming for that big, mushy bit in the middle where a calm voice with facts behind it can actually make a difference.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:00 AM  
Because facts are immutable, and tbh Bill, Neil and even Phil (SPONSER ME YOU BAD ASTRONOMER!) are my new favoirte brain-team.

Stupidity and Ignorance should be challenged often, and challenged in the same unrelenting manner as one would fight an enemy. For they are our great enemy, the enemy of humanity.

/where would we be if we didn't have the Dark Ages?
//cue familyguy.jpg
 
2013-06-18 08:29:05 AM  
Sure, but he's obviously no John Stamos.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:26 AM  
Bill, stop wearing the bow-tie guy.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:35 AM  
Sounds like this guy is up to his neck in college-age 'tang. . . .
 
2013-06-18 08:29:41 AM  

Sybarite: vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.


It's really about the viewers and listeners. You can make a lot of people believe just about anything if it's repeated loudly and frequently enough with no voice to gainsay it. His fight isn't aimed at the hardcore fundamentalists who take the bible literally and use it to armor themselves against any evidence or at the the distressingly small percentage of Americans who are highly scientifically literate. He's aiming for that big, mushy bit in the middle where a calm voice with facts behind it can actually make a difference.



The mushy bit in the middle is increasingly sceptical about AGW. Rightly so, since it is utter nonsense.
 
2013-06-18 08:29:45 AM  

vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.


Well, it works better for him than most people.  Imagine if Snookie was involved in a science debate and called somebody an idiot.  Nobody would care or give it much weight.  But when Bill Nye the guy who personally taught me science as a child guy says somebody doesnt know what they're talking about... you're going to stop and listen to what he has to say.  Especially if he's in a white lab coat.
 
2013-06-18 08:30:53 AM  

Wise_Guy: [i.imgur.com image 480x640]


Meh.  Science never answers why... only how.
 
2013-06-18 08:31:13 AM  
It's an important part of the scientific process that newly established conclusions must no longer be treated with skepticism once they are published.
 
2013-06-18 08:31:25 AM  

oryx: Bill, stop wearing the bow-tie guy.


Bowties are cool.

The Doctor deems it so, it must be true.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:06 AM  

Infobahn: vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.

I appreciate the effort, as hopeless as the cause is.


there will come a point when it is just ridiculous to try and dispute the science because most everyone agrees that the science is correct.  we are not there yet, we are still at the point where idiot people are trying to make schools teach fantasy (intelligent design) but we will get there.

/here comes the science.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:38 AM  
I imagine a few hours later he's at a frat house living a Girls Gone Wild episode on his face.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:54 AM  
So let's see if I get this right:  Bill Nye, the science denying guy, accuses those who not deny science of being science deniers?

He makes about as much sense as the Hapgood Theory of Pole Shift.
 
2013-06-18 08:34:29 AM  
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2013-06-18 08:34:50 AM  
I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?
 
2013-06-18 08:35:21 AM  
PAT CASHMAN RULES
 
2013-06-18 08:35:48 AM  

dv-ous: BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL! ...

(Somebody had to...)


media.newschoolers.com
 
2013-06-18 08:36:18 AM  
science is just another religion.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:45 AM  

Alonjar: Wise_Guy: [i.imgur.com image 480x640]

Meh.  Science never answers why... only how.


Does there really need to be a why? Our little monkey brains can't seem to forget the ego and throw aside a meaning to things that really do not need to have a meaning. Maybe life just exists for no reason other than the fact that it got lucky - both figuratively and literally.
 
2013-06-18 08:37:03 AM  

Goodluckfox: I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?


Aerospace engineer, actually.
 
2013-06-18 08:37:38 AM  

markfara: Sounds like this guy is up to his neck in college-age 'tang. . . .


I've been on Fark for many years and this is the comment that made me almost choke on my coffee.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:24 AM  

Goodluckfox: I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?


How many PhD's are actually educators? Most are researchers dragged reluctantly into the classroom, where they suck. Teachers don't have to have advanced degrees to teach, especially when they're teaching secondary-school-level science the way he is.

He's a "science guy," not a scientist.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:48 AM  

frepnog: Infobahn: vpb: Yes, telling idiots to stop being idiots will totally work.

I appreciate the effort, as hopeless as the cause is.

there will come a point when it is just ridiculous to try and dispute the science because most everyone agrees that the science is correct.  we are not there yet, we are still at the point where idiot people are trying to make schools teach fantasy (intelligent design) but we will get there.

/here comes the science.


This is generally not how science works.  Unless your name is Lysenko.

In science, it's generally considered a good thing to continually come up with ways one might disprove a theory, until one can no longer come up with a way to disprove (falsify) a theory or model.  In which case, it might be somewhat possible to accept a theory or model as an adequate description of how a process works.
 
2013-06-18 08:38:54 AM  
Its 2013 and we still have leaders in states like Ga. getting together to pray for rain during droughts. Do they really believe or are they just out of options?
 
2013-06-18 08:39:08 AM  

utah dude: science is just another religion.


0/10
 
2013-06-18 08:39:34 AM  

Goodluckfox: I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?


He has a Bachelor's in Mechanical Engineering from Cornell and worked for Boeing as an engineer so I think we can safely say he knows more about science than the vast majority of Americans.
 
2013-06-18 08:39:37 AM  

Copper Spork: It's an important part of the scientific process that newly established conclusions must no longer be treated with skepticism once they are published.


Nice point, like the fact man is most likely not the sole cause for warming and its arrogant to think a flea speck on this planet is causing all of it. Especially when other earth core samples show higher prolonged co2 levels millions of years ago.
 
2013-06-18 08:39:40 AM  

olddinosaur: So let's see if I get this right:  Bill Nye, the science denying guy, accuses those who not deny science of being science deniers?
He makes about as much sense as the Hapgood Theory of Pole Shift.


A perfect example of how really smart people will look like idiots to an idiot.
 
2013-06-18 08:40:24 AM  
I have a secret nerd crush on Bill Nye.
 
2013-06-18 08:40:57 AM  

Mad Scientist: Goodluckfox: I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?

Aerospace engineer, actually.


Yes, so he's not a doctor.......this guy is a big phoney!!!!
 
2013-06-18 08:41:11 AM  
*plugs nose* SCIENCE RULES!
 
2013-06-18 08:41:40 AM  
Anyone know of a modern equivalent to his old show?
 
2013-06-18 08:42:08 AM  

steamingpile: Nice point, like the fact man is most likely not the sole cause for warming and its arrogant to think a flea speck on this planet is causing all of it. Especially when other earth core samples show higher prolonged co2 levels millions of years ago.


Yes because not causing all of it is obviously reason to deny all evidence that some contribution from green house gases due to industrialization are having a marked and measurable effect.
 
2013-06-18 08:42:53 AM  

Goodluckfox: I would like to point out that Bill Nye is not a Phd. Just sayin'. I like him as much as anybody for what he does... but isn't he an edutainer, in the same way that Fox News (or really all modern television "journalists" are infotainers?


24.media.tumblr.com
Who the fark cares?
 
2013-06-18 08:43:30 AM  

utah dude: science is just another religion.


"Well, science is not religion and it doesn't just come down to faith. Although it has many of religion's virtues, it has none of its vices. Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops. Why else would Christians wax critical of doubting Thomas? The other apostles are held up to us as exemplars of virtue because faith was enough for them. Doubting Thomas, on the other hand, required evidence. Perhaps he should be the patron saint of scientists."
 
2013-06-18 08:44:17 AM  

steamingpile: Especially when other earth core samples show higher prolonged co2 levels millions of years ago.


Because as we all know, if something can happen naturally, it is impossible for man to make it happen. Even  when six thousand million of them are working together.
 
2013-06-18 08:44:42 AM  
I like Bill Nye, but he's no Beakman.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-18 08:46:07 AM  
Bill Nye taught me science for 3 years in middle school.  I have nothing bad to say about him, and he's pretty much dead on right in this case.
 
2013-06-18 08:47:38 AM  

Alonjar: Meh. Science never answers why... only how.


If science answers "how?" questions, then by definition, that includes "how come?" questions. Which is the same as "why?". Therefor science does indeed answer why. :p
 
2013-06-18 08:47:53 AM  

Copper Spork: It's an important part of the scientific process that newly established conclusions must no longer be treated with skepticism once they are published.


In the scientific process, plugging your ears and shouting "LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" doesn't actually qualify as skepticism.  Just FYI.
 
2013-06-18 08:48:16 AM  

What_do_you_want_now: Because facts are immutable


Actually, they aren't immutable.  Our understanding of everything evolves and gets refined as we learn more.  Something that was considered a 'fact' 100 years ago may not be considered one today, or there may be some caveats, or it may be so at the macro level but not at smaller scales or vice-versa.

As an example, 100 years ago, it was considered as a scientific fact that radio waves with wavelengths shorter than 200 meters weren't useful for long-distance communication.  This was before the effects of the ionosphere in bending radio waves was known.  Today, I regularly contact people hundreds and thousands of miles away on frequencies that were once considered only capable of supporting communications of a few miles to a few tens of miles at best.
 
2013-06-18 08:49:14 AM  

dittybopper: As an example, 100 years ago, it was considered as a scientific fact that radio waves with wavelengths shorter than 200 meters weren't useful for long-distance communication. This was before the effects of the ionosphere in bending radio waves was known. Today, I regularly contact people hundreds and thousands of miles away on frequencies that were once considered only capable of supporting communications of a few miles to a few tens of miles at best.


That's an engineering problem, not a scientific fact.
 
2013-06-18 08:49:17 AM  
I would love to spend an hour listening to he and Neil Tyson just...chatting. I wouldn't keep up with even half of it, but their enthusiasm would keep me entertained.
 
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