Corvus: washington-babylon: Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? If you are so sure of your statement that Snowden specifically said he didn't need a warrant to listen to a call, then perhaps you can provide the requisite citation? All Snowden has done is provide further information about the process, which he didn't go into explicit detail on initially. Are you going to claim he lied because he didn't specifically outline everything, thereby creating a "Lie of omission" which is only a pseudo-lie if it is not clarified in more detail later?I linked above to what he said. Yes he said it in a way that was obviously misleading. Why do you think all the new reports (which I linked to above) say that he said it they could listen in without a warrant? They even asked him that point blank where he once again was misleading. He could of said "no" but he didn't.If they need warrants (and according to you, he was not trying to imply they didn't) then what is the actual "whistle blowing" here?How is he a "whistle blower" if his allegations are something that the government has already said they were doing?
Corvus: Instead he lied
Corvus: What he originally said was a lie.
Corvus: He originally lied
Corvus: he was lying
Corvus: turned out to be lie
Corvus: That was lie. He lied. he lied he lied.
Corvus: So which truth should I believe
Corvus: Which still means he was lying. He lied.
Corvus: that was a lie
Corvus: He lied.
Corvus: He still lied
Corvus: still lying. He lied.
evilbryan: The NSA misinformation team is hard at work I see. Good to see them fighting for freedomtm by attacking the truth.
neversubmit: responsible members of the press in America."
redmid17: TFA: ""The U.S. Government, just as they did with other whistle-blowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home, openly declaring me guilty of treason and that the disclosure of secret, criminal and even unconstitutional acts is an unforgivable crime. That's not justice, and it would be foolish to volunteer yourself to it if you can do more good outside of prison than in it," he said during the chat. " Sounds about right.
Corvus: I keep saying it. His original allegation that government officials can just call up and listen to any conversation of a US citizen without a warrant turned out to be lie.
neversubmit: "Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein ... the better off we all are," Snowden said.He added that "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it."In one of his final replies, Snowden attacked the "mainstream media" for its coverage, saying it "now seems far more interested in what I said when I was 17 or what my girlfriend looks like rather than, say, the largest program of suspicion-less surveillance in human history."
Corvus: IdBeCrazyIf: Corvus: I already said. His originally story was government people could listen into any conversation of any citizen without a warrant at anytime. That was not true.And now his story is well they are just recording it for if they get a warrant. That's a huge difference. He originally lied and now that he is being caught in his lie he is changing his story.NO, he said that with a word he could look into any conversation of any citizen which was corroborated with documentation. Now yes, that word may still require a warrant, but to your average layman contractor it may appear as if those requests just come willy nilly.And keep in mind, the press still has documents yet to be releasedRight so "Needing a court ordered warrant" was just a small detail he left out on accident?That's bullshiat. He left that out on purpose to give the impression to people that they didn't need a warrant, and that's what everyone believed (and many still think that is true because the press isn't clarifying the story) before people was pointing out he was lying and he walked his story back.
neversubmit: If the government has the power to record our conversations we should, as a society, be able to review all senate and congressional conversations via phone, email, and chat to monitor for criminal activity and back room deals. Our elected officials are working for us, therefore we should have complete insight into what they are doing behind closed doors. This holds true for any corporation, why not the US government.
Corvus: No there is a system to be a whistle blower without leaking secret information. He did not want to do that. Instead he lied and went to the news with those lies. First he said every had access to any conversation of a US citzen without a warrant, which now we know was a lie.
GameSprocket: He needs to wait for a case to get to the Supreme Court challenging the constitutionality of the program. If the program is declared illegal, and he only ever released information to expose that program, then he should fall well within "wistleblower" protections.
Oldiron_79: redmid17: TFA: ""The U.S. Government, just as they did with other whistle-blowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home, openly declaring me guilty of treason and that the disclosure of secret, criminal and even unconstitutional acts is an unforgivable crime. That's not justice, and it would be foolish to volunteer yourself to it if you can do more good outside of prison than in it," he said during the chat. " Sounds about right.Yeah If I pissed in the NSAs cheereos Id seek asylum in a country that hates the US. Russia or China beats the hell out of a fingernail factory™
Freakin Rican: how many leaked NSA greenlights can we have today?
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