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(Daily Mail)   Abducted underage girl testifies that she insisted her teacher run away with her or she'd kill herself. He responded "this isn't going to end well"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 158
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2013-06-18 06:37:40 AM
So. Subby saying this girl was abducted. There I was thinking that was a decision only the jury could make. Oh well, libel is such fun
 
2013-06-18 06:38:27 AM
Well, he was definitely right on that count
 
2013-06-18 07:10:28 AM
"abducted underage girl"

Is there an age at which girls can be legally abducted?
 
2013-06-18 07:34:18 AM
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?
 
2013-06-18 07:36:35 AM
Eight times a night? Dayum!
 
2013-06-18 07:37:38 AM
8 times a night at age 30? That's pretty impressive.
 
2013-06-18 07:37:57 AM
Damn 8 times a night. He knew he was going away for awhile so he got his milage out of it.
 
2013-06-18 07:38:35 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Well, he was definitely right on that count


Well, I mean, it's the Mail.  We can't know for sure if he was arrested or if any affair actually took place until we hear it from a more reliable news source like Alex Jones or the weekly World News.

I mean, it's hard to tell how big a deal this kind of thing is until Bigfoot and the Bat-Boy have weighed in, you know?
 
2013-06-18 07:39:08 AM

serial_crusher: "abducted underage girl"

Is there an age at which girls can be legally abducted?


There is an age at which when a teenager says "No, I was not abducted, I consensually agreed to run away with X" that that statement is legally significant.

At 15, presumably this girl's statement was meaningless, she could not legally consent, and the guy, at age 30, had no Romeo or Juliet law that would in any manner say he was not responsible.

Hopefully he will fry, but I won't say PMITA, because rape jokes are never funny, but death penalty jokes are still worth a snickers.
 
2013-06-18 07:40:37 AM
"Before they absconded the maths master seduced the 15-year-old in his car while she was wearing her school uniform,"

He seduced her? Sounds to me like she was a sex starved little fireball who seduced her a man toy and she wasn't going to let him stop.
 
2013-06-18 07:42:05 AM
Any time you see a Lolita situation, you see two factors:

First is a conniving little slut who has figured out: if I let him be in control 30 minutes a day, I can be in control the other 23.5 hours of the day.

Second is an adult on the sidelines, who is either quietly pushing it along, or sitting idle and letting it spin out of control.

The man is no problem, because a proven fact is, a man will let his balls to a job his brain ought to do.  Not always but often enough.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:00 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: 8 times a night at age 30? That's pretty impressive.


That's nothing, older Farkers reassure me that in their 40s it's even more than that.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:15 AM
So the girl learns an important lesson.  She can get what she wants, and someone else will end up paying for it.  Good reinforcement there society.
 
2013-06-18 07:43:35 AM

RoyBatty: serial_crusher: "abducted underage girl"

Is there an age at which girls can be legally abducted?

There is an age at which when a teenager says "No, I was not abducted, I consensually agreed to run away with X" that that statement is legally significant.

At 15, presumably this girl's statement was meaningless, she could not legally consent, and the guy, at age 30, had no Romeo or Juliet law that would in any manner say he was not responsible.

Hopefully he will fry, but I won't say PMITA, because rape jokes are never funny, but death penalty jokes are still worth a snickers.


You are probably right in the state where this happened, but there are several states where the age of consent is 15 and in Hawaii it is 14. This is one of the few areas where I think the Federal Government needs to step in and establish an AOC, rather that a 16 year old being a felony in one state and perfectly legal in another. It's not like the teens are more mature across the border.
 
2013-06-18 07:44:03 AM
TFA writer seems awfully focused on what she was wearing.
 
2013-06-18 07:46:14 AM
Jim_Callahan:
Well, I mean, it's the Mail.  We can't know for sure if he was arrested or if any affair actually took place until we hear it from a more reliable news source like Alex Jones or the weekly World News.

I mean, it's hard to tell how big a deal this kind of thing is until Bigfoot and the Bat-Boy have weighed in, you know?


For once the Mail is right. I'm sure they won't let it go to their heads tho'.
 
2013-06-18 07:47:13 AM

olddinosaur: Any time you see a Lolita situation, you see two factors:

First is a conniving little slut who has figured out: if I let him be in control 30 minutes a day, I can be in control the other 23.5 hours of the day.

Second is an adult on the sidelines, who is either quietly pushing it along, or sitting idle and letting it spin out of control.

The man is no problem, because a proven fact is, a man will let his balls to a job his brain ought to do.  Not always but often enough.


This factor is not exclusive to a Lolita situation.
 
2013-06-18 07:48:39 AM
Sounds like he was in a fragile state trying to balance his actions to do the right thing...while chugging Viagra and eating oysters.
 
2013-06-18 07:49:31 AM

serial_crusher: "abducted underage girl"

Is there an age at which girls can be legally abducted?


But enough about your dating life, let's talk about TFA.
 
2013-06-18 07:49:36 AM
Is that a cop bringing the guy in? Or has he already been paired up and  and  permanently handcuffed to a dude with shiatty looking prison tats?
 
2013-06-18 07:52:35 AM

Terrydatroll: This is one of the few areas where I think the Federal Government needs to step in and establish an AOC, rather that a 16 year old being a felony in one state and perfectly legal in another. It's not like the teens are more mature across the border.


The feds have already stepped in.  Federal AoC is 18.  Federal standards come into play when the activity involves crossing a state line.

So if you cross a state line to have sex with a 17-year-old then you're guilty of a crime, even though in 90% of the US the 17-year-old is legal in both states.  If you didn't arrange anything in advance and meet that 17-year-old there while you're there for some other purpose, and end up sleeping with 'em, it's generally legal, but almost any prior contact makes it not anymore.

//The More You Know(TM)
 
2013-06-18 07:54:20 AM
RoyBatty:

At 15, presumably this girl's statement was meaningless, she could not legally consent, and the guy, at age 30, had no Romeo or Juliet law that would in any manner say he was not responsible.

Hopefully he will fry, but I won't say PMITA, because rape jokes are never funny, but death penalty jokes are still worth a snickers.


It is in England, where 16 is the legal age of full consent. For simply having sex with a 15 year old it would usually result in a relatively short prison sentence or even a non-prison sentence if there were no additional offences. However in this case he is a teacher AND absconded to another country with her so can likely expect a longer sentence. I would be highly surprised if it exceeded 5-7 years though.
 
2013-06-18 07:56:43 AM
If the teacher was a hot woman, the student a boy, the charges would have already been dropped. Oh, and high 5's would have been given to the student. Case closed.
 
2013-06-18 07:57:14 AM
At 15, presumably this girl's statement was meaningless, she could not legally consent, and the guy, at age 30, had no Romeo or Juliet law that would in any manner say he was not responsible.


Someone has not the slightest idea about European age of conset laws, or wat gaspode just said.
 
2013-06-18 07:58:46 AM
If he hadn't been bangin' her, he might have a chance with the "teenage girls are crazy" defense. But he's out of luck as it is.
 
2013-06-18 07:59:28 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Well, he was definitely right on that count

coont

Well, he had to be to get in all those giggitys.

/8 times? I'd be sore...
 
2013-06-18 08:00:23 AM
"Everything ends badly, otherwise it wouldn't end."
 
2013-06-18 08:02:34 AM
The case doesn't creep me out nearly as much as TFA.  Yeah I know it's the Daily Fail, but it's as if the "reporter" typed that thing one-handed.
 
2013-06-18 08:03:55 AM

dragonchild: The case doesn't creep me out nearly as much as TFA.  Yeah I know it's the Daily Fail, but it's as if the "reporter" typed that thing one-handed.


His other hand was busy
 
2013-06-18 08:04:19 AM
Poor sap should've waited a year - age of consent there is 16. Also probably quit working at her school. Then he could've had all the hot teenage schoolgirl sex he wanted without legal consequence.
...
:)
 
2013-06-18 08:05:14 AM
Pretty screwed up situation all the way around, but ya know I don't think this helped:

The girl said her mother, who was pregnant with her fifth child at  the time and had just left her  stepfather, did not believe she had a problem.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:04 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
I'm going to assume that they chain the accused together in England and that that is not his lawyer's arm.
 
2013-06-18 08:09:26 AM
Sorry, for the misspellings before. This kind of US-centrism just makes me really angry. Dude is only farked because he's a teacher and they ran away to France (where the age of consent is 15 baring any teacher-ness.)

I think there was even a case in France with some 15 year old dude lately running away with an older lady in her thirties (not a teacher) and people flipped all out when it became clear that they could not prosecute her for anything (and no, it wouldn't have been much different with gender reversal. Guess they would/could have argued a bit more if she was going willingly then.) They could just bring him back and reccomend the parents ground him till he's 18.
 
2013-06-18 08:12:04 AM
And of course society is going to villify this guy who was essentially blackmailed by this little cawk-hungry predatress.

Do we have to keep saying it? DON'T STICK IT IN THE CRAZY!
 
2013-06-18 08:13:07 AM

Tom_Slick: dragonchild: The case doesn't creep me out nearly as much as TFA.  Yeah I know it's the Daily Fail, but it's as if the "reporter" typed that thing one-handed.

His other hand was busy


Manually stimulating his penis.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:59 AM
What does the girl look like? Is she hawt? Need a pic of her in her uniform.
 
2013-06-18 08:15:22 AM

rev. dave: So the girl learns an important lesson.  She can get what she wants, and someone else will end up paying for it.  Good reinforcement there society.


Only the beginning.  Wait until she figures out how lucrative divorce is for women.
 
2013-06-18 08:17:24 AM

dragonchild:  Yeah I know it's the Daily Fail, but it's as if the "reporter" typed that thing one-handed.


Well, he is kind of cute.
 
2013-06-18 08:17:35 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Pretty screwed up situation all the way around, but ya know I don't think this helped:

The girl said her mother, who was pregnant with her fifth child at  the time and had just left her  stepfather, did not believe she had a problem.


You can take a girl out of the trailer park, but you can never take the trailer park out of the girl
 
2013-06-18 08:17:42 AM

serial_crusher: "abducted underage girl"

Is there an age at which girls can be legally abducted?


Based on the story, the only reason we would call this girl "abducted" is because she was underage. For an adult, we would say she "went voluntarily," or even "emotionally blackmailed" him into taking her with him. Hence, based on the facts, a possible answer to your question might be, "yes, at the legal age of consent."
 
2013-06-18 08:21:18 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: You can take a girl out of the trailer park, but you can never take the trailer park out of the girl


I mean for real, if you have a sh*tty time keeping yourself from banging underage girls then stay away from slutty trailer park girls.

So basically don't be a teacher. If you have any inclination that you're going to bang a student, then don't be a teacher.

I'm starting to think that the only people who want to be teachers now are just people who desire really young people.
 
2013-06-18 08:22:51 AM

dragonchild: The case doesn't creep me out nearly as much as TFA.  Yeah I know it's the Daily Fail, but it's as if the "reporter" typed that thing one-handed.


well, the description of what the girl wore was very helpfull for all of us with schoolgirl-uniform-fetish, but he didn't tell us what kind of underwear she was wearing.
The daily mail can do better!
 
2013-06-18 08:24:30 AM

WTFDYW: What does the girl look like? Is she hawt? Need a pic of her in her uniform.


She's not too bad, follow my link above to the Guardian story. The funny thing is she's not being named in all these current articles because she's under 18. Her name and photo were splashed over all the papers at the time.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:31 AM
Apparently he forgot the words to that song.  And that other one.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:55 AM
A friend of mine got caught in a similar situation.

He tangled up with a "needy" family, helped them out with groceries and such-----unaware, they made a good living pimping their underage daughter.  He didn't actually do anything---but he was in a situation where they could have.

His lawyer said: "I can get you out of thus, but it will be expensive, and it will be messy."  There had been five guys gone up the river on the same girl before she had even turned 13.

Rather than roll the dice and take his chances on 20 years in PMITA Hilton, hew agreed to cop a plea to a crime he did not commit.  He served two years' deferred adjudication, it cost him $10000+ all total, and after it was over the lawyer asked: "By the way, did you actually do it?"

"No," he replied.

"You should have," the lawyer said, "you paid for it!"

The law sucks in this country.
 
2013-06-18 08:28:51 AM

olddinosaur: A friend of mine got caught in a similar situation.

He tangled up with a "needy" family, helped them out with groceries and such-----unaware, they made a good living pimping their underage daughter.  He didn't actually do anything---but he was in a situation where they could have.

His lawyer said: "I can get you out of thus, but it will be expensive, and it will be messy."  There had been five guys gone up the river on the same girl before she had even turned 13.

Rather than roll the dice and take his chances on 20 years in PMITA Hilton, hew agreed to cop a plea to a crime he did not commit.  He served two years' deferred adjudication, it cost him $10000+ all total, and after it was over the lawyer asked: "By the way, did you actually do it?"

"No," he replied.

"You should have," the lawyer said, "you paid for it!"

The law sucks in this country.


Oh come on man, you can't expect us to believe this?

This reads like a fanfiction page on /r/mensrights
 
2013-06-18 08:31:09 AM

Tat'dGreaser: I'm starting to think that the only people who want to be teachers now are just people who desire really young people.


I suddenly have the urge to go back to school for my teaching degree
 
2013-06-18 08:31:16 AM

Buggar: Apparently he forgot the words to that song.  And that other one.


Got to wonder how close she stood to him, and how badly it rained outside his car.
 
2013-06-18 08:32:11 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I suddenly have the urge to go back to school for my teaching degree


You definitely wouldn't last a year in that sexual jungle
 
2013-06-18 08:35:27 AM

Tat'dGreaser: olddinosaur: A friend of mine got caught in a similar situation.

He tangled up with a "needy" family, helped them out with groceries and such-----unaware, they made a good living pimping their underage daughter.  He didn't actually do anything---but he was in a situation where they could have.

His lawyer said: "I can get you out of thus, but it will be expensive, and it will be messy."  There had been five guys gone up the river on the same girl before she had even turned 13.

Rather than roll the dice and take his chances on 20 years in PMITA Hilton, hew agreed to cop a plea to a crime he did not commit.  He served two years' deferred adjudication, it cost him $10000+ all total, and after it was over the lawyer asked: "By the way, did you actually do it?"

"No," he replied.

"You should have," the lawyer said, "you paid for it!"

The law sucks in this country.

Oh come on man, you can't expect us to believe this?

This reads like a fanfiction page on /r/mensrights


The case happened in 1982, the man lived 5 miles from my home and the cops hated him because he was banging all the bar sluts in the neighborhood, also one crooked cop was tangled up with the girl's mom.

For obvious reasons I can't mention his name.
 
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