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(New York Magazine)   Yet again, President Obama calmly explains why he is obviously nothing like Bush and Syria is not the same as Iraq   (nymag.com ) divider line
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2013-06-18 07:22:51 AM  
Syria is more like Afghanistan, we're going to just support the rebels, not invade the country like we did in Iraq. What the rebels do with the weapons we give them 5 years from now, who knows?

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2013-06-18 07:29:37 AM  
Honestly, the last few days have shown an enormous excess of "all scale and relativism is gone, only the idea counts any any thing that is even close to the idea is equal." People don't care about the facts right now, they're reacting. They believe what feels right, not what is necessarily true.

And most people know a tenth of the info they need to make an informed comment on things.
 
2013-06-18 07:31:39 AM  
FTFA: "I think this is a healthy thing, because it's a sign of maturity that this debate would not have been taking place five years ago. And I welcome it. I really do," said Obama.

In other words, you Fark conservatives keep on keepin' on!

/although 'maturity' is the LAST word I'd think of when it comes to the politics tab...
 
2013-06-18 07:40:50 AM  
Syria has no oil.  It's nothing like Iraq.

/alawite?
 
2013-06-18 07:43:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Syria has no oil.  It's nothing like Iraq.

/alawite?


Plus, they actually have WMDs
 
2013-06-18 07:43:28 AM  
I would generally say that the lessons of history on this one summarize as "no-fly zone yes, supply weapons to rebels with whom we only share a single enemy no".  But then, he's the dude we hired to do specifically this kind of job for us, and he hasn't screwed up any military actions so far, so I'm not inclined to go all backseat-driver/micromanager on the guy either.  If this is his best judgement he's the guy in charge.

Now, if it backfires on him, then I do reserve the right to point out the whole common-sense/lessons from the '80s aspect here.
 
2013-06-18 07:44:02 AM  
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What exactly is it you do for the government, Connie?
 
2013-06-18 07:45:20 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I would generally say that the lessons of history on this one summarize as "no-fly zone yes, supply weapons to rebels with whom we only share a single enemy no".  But then, he's the dude we hired to do specifically this kind of job for us, and he hasn't screwed up any military actions so far, so I'm not inclined to go all backseat-driver/micromanager on the guy either.  If this is his best judgement he's the guy in charge.

Now, if it backfires on him, then I do reserve the right to point out the whole common-sense/lessons from the '80s aspect here.


NO NO, Benghazi happened that means Libya was the worst idea American history!!!!@!!@!!

Actually had a secretary make that argument.
 
2013-06-18 07:45:24 AM  
Wait. You mean to tell me that just because Syria and Iraq are two different countries with different problems then we're supposed to change how we act to better match the circumstances?

No. That's clearly insane. There needs to be a uniform heavy-hand approach to all countries so that we won't have to think about scary words like "situation" or "nuance."

/Nuance sounds like one of those French colognes anyway, we don't want out military men wearing anything like that .
 
2013-06-18 07:45:55 AM  
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2013-06-18 07:46:45 AM  
"Well, the first 5 years have been a giant clusterfark due to the Republicans stymieing me at every turn. I don't have any legacy to worry about, I guess. Let's go for broke and destroy this country once and for all."
 
2013-06-18 07:49:21 AM  
Close, subby, except Syria is nothing like Iraq.
 
2013-06-18 07:49:29 AM  
He added, "We know what it's like to rush into a war in the Middle East without having thought it through."

Oh snap!
 
2013-06-18 07:52:52 AM  

GoldSpider: Close, subby, except Syria is nothing like Iraq.


See, Syria is NOT Iraq. It says so plainly on the globe.

www.mapsnworld.com

Oh, and they also actually have nerve gas. That too.
 
2013-06-18 07:53:46 AM  
BS, Putin said that Syrian ""rebels"" are evil
 
2013-06-18 07:55:33 AM  
it seems to me that the obama administration has been doing everything in its power to keep us the hell out of syria for the past two years, and for that i applaud him.  but the civil war there is getting pretty horrible, so when people complained that we weren't helping the people of syria, obama finally said "fine, if they use chemical weapons, then we'll get involved" in the hopes that assad's regime wouldn't be stupid enough to use chemical weapons.  so now they used chemical weapons, and obama doesn't have any options left at this point.  it's really a lose-lose situation as far as his administration is concerned.
 
2013-06-18 07:56:30 AM  
Obama thinks Syria will be like Libya, not Iraq. Syria is not like Libya. Gaddafi had no friends. Assad has Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.

Cheney only dreamed about the kind of surveillance state Obama has, so yes he's not Bush/Cheney lite.
 
2013-06-18 08:00:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: "Well, the first 5 years have been a giant clusterfark due to the Republicans stymieing me at every turn. I don't have any legacy to worry about, I guess. Let's go for broke and destroy this country once and for all."


Do your parents know you're in the computer room?
 
2013-06-18 08:01:01 AM  

enderthexenocide: it seems to me that the obama administration has been doing everything in its power to keep us the hell out of syria for the past two years, and for that i applaud him.  but the civil war there is getting pretty horrible, so when people complained that we weren't helping the people of syria, obama finally said "fine, if they use chemical weapons, then we'll get involved" in the hopes that assad's regime wouldn't be stupid enough to use chemical weapons.  so now they used chemical weapons, and obama doesn't have any options left at this point.  it's really a lose-lose situation as far as his administration is concerned.


Pretty much this.  Once Assad used chemical weapons there were pretty much no more excuses of not doing anything more than supplying humanitarian aid.  That, and considering the UN report saying over 90k people have been killed.  The US has the most powerful military in the world and with that comes the consequence of every other nation expecting action when crises occur in other nations.

I'm kind of conflicted on this issue, but I don't deny he's tried to avoid it as long as possible.
 
2013-06-18 08:05:37 AM  
At first Obama was my messiah, but now my eyes have been opened and I really miss President Bush.

/That's the drill, right?
 
2013-06-18 08:11:27 AM  

hardinparamedic: GoldSpider: Close, subby, except Syria is nothing like Iraq.

See, Syria is NOT Iraq. It says so plainly on the globe.


wait until the FOX News graphics guy gets a hold of the map.  then they'll be the same
 
Xai
2013-06-18 08:11:31 AM  
Because syria HAS wmd's?
 
2013-06-18 08:12:32 AM  
Why not? He looks black and has a great smile. He's TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:13 AM  

hardinparamedic: GoldSpider: Close, subby, except Syria is nothing like Iraq.

See, Syria is NOT Iraq. It says so plainly on the globe.

[www.mapsnworld.com image 850x637]

Oh, and they also actually have nerve gas. That too.


Your map is wrong.

www.newshounds.us
Thank you Fox News for keeping us infromed.
 
2013-06-18 08:14:51 AM  

LewDux: BS, Putin said that Syrian ""rebels"" are evil


If anyone knows evil...
 
2013-06-18 08:16:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Syria has no oil.  It's nothing like Iraq.

/alawite?


No.

Syria didn't attack us on 9-11!
 
2013-06-18 08:19:28 AM  
It would not be a mistake like Iraq.

It could be a mistake like Afghanistan.

The only thing I can hope for is that the CIA learned from there mistakes and will put  GPS restrictions on the device and/or expiration dates on said objects.  That way the CIA won't have to buy them back from the now terrorist after the war is over.

/Still have to wonder what the Buddhist Zen monk will have to say about his in the future.
 
2013-06-18 08:19:40 AM  
This is such a coincidence, because just this morning I woke up and thought, "It's been a while since we've had a good proxy war with the Russians. Obama should do something about that." I'm starting to think that the administration is tapping into my thoughts to come up with its foreign policy.
 
2013-06-18 08:19:40 AM  

enderthexenocide: obama finally said "fine, if they use chemical weapons, then we'll get involved" in the hopes that assad's regime wouldn't be stupid enough to use chemical weapons


That's a textbook example how the West has no farking clue about Middle-East mentality.
 
2013-06-18 08:24:26 AM  

LewDux: BS, Putin said that Syrian ""rebels"" are evil


Can we get Dick Cheney's opinion? Putin and Cheney know evil.
 
2013-06-18 08:25:13 AM  

LasersHurt: Honestly, the last few days have shown an enormous excess of "all scale and relativism is gone, only the idea counts any any thing that is even close to the idea is equal." People don't care about the facts right now, they're reacting. They believe what feels right, not what is necessarily true.

And most people know a tenth of the info they need to make an informed comment on things.


Welcome to Fark?
 
2013-06-18 08:28:21 AM  
Release the robot cats & be done with it.
 
2013-06-18 08:28:37 AM  
"Why isn't Obama doing something about Syria?"
"This is Obama's Iraq!"

Preparing the ground for both possibilities - rarely do they so obviously lay out the plan for, "anything he does is wrong."
 
2013-06-18 08:29:05 AM  
Terrorists are killing terrorists. Let em have at it. From what I see, we're headed into World War III.
 
2013-06-18 08:31:50 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: LasersHurt: Honestly, the last few days have shown an enormous excess of "all scale and relativism is gone, only the idea counts any any thing that is even close to the idea is equal." People don't care about the facts right now, they're reacting. They believe what feels right, not what is necessarily true.

And most people know a tenth of the info they need to make an informed comment on things.

Welcome to Fark?


Not just on Fark, but yes, I know.
 
2013-06-18 08:35:12 AM  
Shame that Turkey's leadership is going retarded.

Optimum situation (for me!) would be do this as a NATO operation; overwhelming air power (USA USA USA) with Turkey going in on the ground.
 
2013-06-18 08:36:56 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Marcus Aurelius: Syria has no oil.  It's nothing like Iraq.

/alawite?

No.

Syria didn't attack us on 9-11!


10/10, 9/11. Will get a lot of bite. Or should we call it byte (out of Drew's server).
 
2013-06-18 08:41:36 AM  
Almost Everybody Poops:
Pretty much this.  Once Assad used chemical weapons there were pretty much no more excuses of not doing anything more than supplying humanitarian aid.  That, and considering the UN report saying over 90k people have been killed.  The US has the most powerful military in the world and with that comes the consequence of every other nation expecting action when crises occur in other nations.

I'm kind of conflicted on this issue, but I don't deny he's tried to avoid it as long as possible.


Explain to me why it is our responsibility to stop Assad from using chemical weapons on his own people?  Yeah that's calloused as all fark, but when you start a civil/holy war, the gloves are going to come off and some point, and one side is going to use whatever means necessary to win. Regardless, this isn't our fight.
 
2013-06-18 08:41:47 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Shame that Turkey's leadership is going retarded.

Optimum situation (for me!) would be do this as a NATO operation; overwhelming air power (USA USA USA) with Turkey going in on the ground.


Any boots on the ground requires an invasion of Lebanon to remove Hezbollah
 
2013-06-18 08:42:08 AM  

vygramul: "Why isn't Obama doing something about Syria?"
"This is Obama's Iraq!"

Preparing the ground for both possibilities - rarely do they so obviously lay out the plan for, "anything he does is wrong."


I have heard people claim both things...
 
2013-06-18 08:42:21 AM  
Syria's civil war started BEFORE the U.S. got involved.
 
2013-06-18 08:42:42 AM  

oryx: Obama thinks Syria will be like Libya, not Iraq. Syria is not like Libya. Gaddafi had no friends. Assad has Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.

Cheney only dreamed about the kind of surveillance state Obama has, so yes he's not Bush/Cheney lite.


Are you referring to the surveillance state used by Obama that was implemented during President Bush's administration?
 
2013-06-18 08:49:10 AM  
Maybe a business-government partnership would work. Possibly cheaper than a war.

Give big developers a chance to build entire new cities in Turkey, just inside the border, to house the refugees and care for the wounded.

Call the cities Miami 1, Miami 2, etc. unless of course the government is China, then the cities would be called Beijing 1, Beijing 2, etc.
 
2013-06-18 08:49:28 AM  
No, your more like Nixon your farking crook.

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2013-06-18 08:51:10 AM  

ahabtrudge: Almost Everybody Poops:
Pretty much this.  Once Assad used chemical weapons there were pretty much no more excuses of not doing anything more than supplying humanitarian aid.  That, and considering the UN report saying over 90k people have been killed.  The US has the most powerful military in the world and with that comes the consequence of every other nation expecting action when crises occur in other nations.

I'm kind of conflicted on this issue, but I don't deny he's tried to avoid it as long as possible.

Explain to me why it is our responsibility to stop Assad from using chemical weapons on his own people?  Yeah that's calloused as all fark, but when you start a civil/holy war, the gloves are going to come off and some point, and one side is going to use whatever means necessary to win. Regardless, this isn't our fight.


I'm not saying it is our responsibility, just that the rest of the world looks to us to solve militaristic problems because we have the most powerful military.
 
2013-06-18 08:51:47 AM  
Syria is more like Afghanistan in the 80s than Iraq in the 00s.  We'll provide arms and support to religious extremists, who will later build training camps for terrorists who bomb us.

We don't know what the hell we're doing in the Middle East.  That's been proven time and again.  We need to stay the hell out.  The president getting a bad approval poll is not a valid cause for war.  At least with Bush/Cheney, they were open and honest about being authoritarian, warmongering assholes.  The chemical weapons issue happened months ago, and Russia managed to get a lid on it.  This is plain and obvious wagging the dog with Obama putting American lives at risk for political purposes.  I hope this move makes his numbers drop even farther.
 
2013-06-18 08:53:44 AM  
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2013-06-18 08:53:53 AM  

milesl: No, your more like Nixon your farking crook.

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Just curious, how is he a crook?
 
2013-06-18 08:55:38 AM  

oryx: Obama thinks Syria will be like Libya, not Iraq. Syria is not like Libya. Gaddafi had no friends. Assad has Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.

Cheney only dreamed about the kind of surveillance state Obama has, so yes he's not Bush/Cheney lite.


Have you been paying attention at all? From 2001 to 2006 Cheney and Bush tapped the content of all calls - without a warrant. Obama gets the phone numbers and call times, and to do anything more, they have to go to a judge. How is that worse than what happened in the Bush/Cheney watch? How is it more invasive?

The backdoors that allow PRISM to work were in place before Bush, and the capacity to use the information started during the Bush/Cheney era. And the program, as it is currently being run, operates under the auspices of FISA, which means a court is not just overseeing it, their in charge. Look, I am not happy that any of this is happening, but to indicate that this is in any way worse the Bush/Chaney means that you either have amnesia, an unprecedented level of ignorance, or you're a partisan hack lying to make your team look better. I'll give you Bush-lite. Worse than Bush or Cheney is just bullshiat.
 
2013-06-18 08:56:17 AM  

A. Snatchfold: milesl: No, your more like Nixon your farking crook.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 213x320]

Just curious, how is he a crook?



Because SHUT UP! That's how.
 
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